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Post by colfoley on Aug 24, 2024 20:57:00 GMT
Well this is an oddity and at the risk of continuing stuff and given the circumstances I'll be brief.
But as someone who loves this franchise everyone who has worked on this game deserves raises and I hope BioWare can do well enough on it to hire back some of the talent they have lost if they still want to/ available. They have taken someting I love and really look to have improved upon it.
Also to the complaint on the Evanuris being connected to the Archdemons...we just don't know that. It could be another imitation like Corypheus's was, or just 'a rose by any other name' situation'. Either way as I mentioned, and intend on mentoning more in the CTC later, there are some interesting implications here and it counts as spoilers but there are few real answers per se. Even if Occam's Razor is a thing...yes I spelled it right.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 24, 2024 20:59:57 GMT
Nope. They took a thing I loved and they corrupted it into something unrecognizable. The studio should be shut down before they destroy Mass Effect as well. The connection between the Evanuris and the Old Gods is something that would've still be here even if this game was more similar to Origins or the other games, in terms of gameplay or art style, though. It's not something that they 'corrupted', it's something that was most likely there from the start and we simply didn't know about. Uh... I hate this thing so much. An author can have the idea from the very beginning*, they can slowly set it up from the first chapter - and once it's time for the payoff some in the audience lose their sh*t, just because it's not what THEY wanted. Everyone else be damned. The effing entitlement, man. Unless you personally commission them and pay them fairly for their work, authors aren't your personal toymakers that should do everything to please only you. Like, I personally have no problem with this reveal, because I've long seen how DA has been building up to this sort of conclusion. It isn't something that's coming out of nowhere. *(IMO an idea doesn't have to be present and planned from the very start, because a good storyteller can weave-in a solution they came-up even very late in a way that makes sense - but in this case, I do think it's something that's been planned for a long time)
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Post by smilesja on Aug 24, 2024 21:03:57 GMT
Spartan Kick meets Warden kick. I'm curious what the upper bounds of that ability is. It'd be hilarious if we could yeet some of the smaller Bosses off ledges. This will be me first playthrough!:
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Post by colfoley on Aug 24, 2024 21:04:29 GMT
The connection between the Evanuris and the Old Gods is something that would've still be here even if this game was more similar to Origins or the other games, in terms of gameplay or art style, though. It's not something that they 'corrupted', it's something that was most likely there from the start and we simply didn't know about. Uh... I hate this thing so much. An author can have the idea from the very beginning*, they can slowly set it up from the first chapter - and once it's time for the payoff some in the audience lose their sh*t, just because it's not what THEY wanted. Everyone else be damned. The effing entitlement, man. Unless you personally commission them and pay them fairly for their work, authors aren't your personal toymakers that should do everything to please only you. Like, I personally have no problem with this reveal, because I've long seen how DA has been building up to this sort of conclusion. It isn't something that's coming out of nowhere. See also Palpatine from the Sequel Trilogy. There were a lot of people theorizing about his return in the sequels and his relation to Rey. Bottom line just because one does not like a reveal does not mean a franchise should be 'ruined.'
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 24, 2024 21:07:39 GMT
Btw. I still don't know what I think about Hans Zimmerman rumors and whether it's true, but the music from Part 4 sounds the most Zimmerman'ish (as far as action music goes) of those we've heard
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Post by colfoley on Aug 24, 2024 21:09:32 GMT
Btw. I still don't know what I think about Hans Zimmerman rumors and whether it's true, but the music from Part 4 sounds the most Zimmerman'ish (as far as action music goes) of those we've heard Keep in mind we could have a Clint Mansell in ME 3 situation. Clint only did literally like one track, to the best of my knowledge, but yet his name was plastered all over the sound track while other muscians did other themes. Like Zimmer is a competent enough musician so I hope we get more of him then that BUT it is something to wonder just how much of this music we are hearing is *his* even if he did *any* of it.
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Post by illuminated11 on Aug 24, 2024 21:15:16 GMT
Uh... I hate this thing so much. An author can have the idea from the very beginning*, they can slowly set it up from the first chapter - and once it's time for the payoff some in the audience lose their sh*t, just because it's not what THEY wanted. Everyone else be damned. The effing entitlement, man. Unless you personally commission them and pay them fairly for their work, authors aren't your personal toymakers that should do everything to please only you. Like, I personally have no problem with this reveal, because I've long seen how DA has been building up to this sort of conclusion. It isn't something that's coming out of nowhere. See also Palpatine from the Sequel Trilogy. There were a lot of people theorizing about his return in the sequels and his relation to Rey. Bottom line just because one does not like a reveal does not mean a franchise should be 'ruined.' The issue people have with these sorts of twists is they can make the world at large feel smaller, like everything has to be connected and drawn back to references from the original source. I definitely felt that with the Palpatine crap; I don't have a problem with old god reveal in same manner, but can understand why someone else might feel that way.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 24, 2024 21:16:25 GMT
See also Palpatine from the Sequel Trilogy. There were a lot of people theorizing about his return in the sequels and his relation to Rey. Bottom line just because one does not like a reveal does not mean a franchise should be 'ruined.' The issue people have with these sorts of twists is they can make the world at large feel smaller, like everything has to be connected and drawn back to references from the original source. I definitely felt that with the Palpatine crap; I don't have a problem with old god reveal in same manner, but can understand why someone else might feel that way. Sure, don't wish for everyone to get fired though.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 24, 2024 21:18:37 GMT
Honestly, the Warrior has a number of cool abilities, but more than anything, I think the video is making me appreciate the Mage's full-body barriers and ranged attack options even more.
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Post by illuminated11 on Aug 24, 2024 21:19:21 GMT
The issue people have with these sorts of twists is they can make the world at large feel smaller, like everything has to be connected and drawn back to references from the original source. I definitely felt that with the Palpatine crap; I don't have a problem with old god reveal in same manner, but can understand why someone else might feel that way. Sure, don't wish for everyone to get fired though. Well, yes. I already addressed that, I'm not going to belabor something unpleasant longer than needed.
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Post by jennica on Aug 24, 2024 21:20:22 GMT
You know, i start to think that companions indeed can't be attacked, because Rook is shown to have both attack and defense stat, meanwhile Davrin only has attack stat. This is strange because Bioware did say that companions have health bars. Another thing is that in bootom left corner in Rook character menu you can see "Stats", but there is no such thing in the companion menu.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Aug 24, 2024 21:22:22 GMT
Sure, don't wish for everyone to get fired though. Well, yes. I already addressed that, I'm not going to belabor something unpleasant longer than needed. Agreed. The mod already addressed it, so it would be nice if we moved on.
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Post by wickedcool on Aug 24, 2024 21:22:57 GMT
What types of darkspawn are in this footage??
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Post by colfoley on Aug 24, 2024 21:28:26 GMT
See also Palpatine from the Sequel Trilogy. There were a lot of people theorizing about his return in the sequels and his relation to Rey. Bottom line just because one does not like a reveal does not mean a franchise should be 'ruined.' The issue people have with these sorts of twists is they can make the world at large feel smaller, like everything has to be connected and drawn back to references from the original source. I definitely felt that with the Palpatine crap; I don't have a problem with old god reveal in same manner, but can understand why someone else might feel that way. Yeah understandable. Like I get it, milleage will vary on this and for those reasons and especially if you don't like the Elf lore (and honestly I don't think I was even a huge fan until Inquisition) it will probably honk you off. But I still think Midnight Tea's point was valid, which may be another reason people don't like it, but they have been setting this up practically since Origins. Like this was probably my first pet theory I subscribed to because in my mind the 'Old Gods' just had to be the Evanuris because the Evanuris were the old gods. Though I am also thinking it might be a little bit more complicated then that. So the set up is there so what I have some disagreement with is the extent of the dissapointment, not the dissapointment itself. Again, to drive it home, this is something that has been in my mind and the fandom's mind since Origins. And yeah on the Palpatine front I think the criticism would be more valid but for Dragon Age in my mind this is how my study of history works. The United States is built on the British Empire which is partially built on the Romand Empire which is built on the Greeks which is built on the Egyptians. Empires and civilizations constantly build off of and influence the next ones in line to where there are a lot of examples and each one tends to have a lot of continuity. It wouldn't even surprise me if we find out the Elves themselves were built on something as well.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 24, 2024 21:32:34 GMT
See also Palpatine from the Sequel Trilogy. There were a lot of people theorizing about his return in the sequels and his relation to Rey. Bottom line just because one does not like a reveal does not mean a franchise should be 'ruined.' The issue people have with these sorts of twists is they can make the world at large feel smaller, like everything has to be connected and drawn back to references from the original source. I definitely felt that with the Palpatine crap; I don't have a problem with old god reveal in same manner, but can understand why someone else might feel that way. The world feels smaller... or the threat feels particularly apocalyptic. As it should, because modern Thedas is effectively a post-apocalyptic world and we're getting to a point of knowing what has caused that apocalypse that has affected virtually every living thing on the continent.
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Post by githcheater on Aug 24, 2024 21:34:41 GMT
I feel like Davrin won't be a companion for damage. Coupled with a sword and shield Rook, this isn't a DPS party. The damage output will probably increase with a better optimized party.
Companions are part of Rook's inventory...LOL
Romance as inventory ... for those who need to be in control ... LOL
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Post by colfoley on Aug 24, 2024 21:34:50 GMT
The issue people have with these sorts of twists is they can make the world at large feel smaller, like everything has to be connected and drawn back to references from the original source. I definitely felt that with the Palpatine crap; I don't have a problem with old god reveal in same manner, but can understand why someone else might feel that way. The world feels smaller... or the threat feels particularly apocalyptic. As it should, because modern Thedas is effectively a post-apocalyptic world and we're getting to a point of knowing what has caused that apocalypse that has affected virtually every living thing on the continent. I like the turn of this phrasing. Don't think I've thought of it in those terms.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 24, 2024 21:35:18 GMT
What types of darkspawn are in this footage?? ghouls and different type of hurlocks.
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Post by illuminated11 on Aug 24, 2024 21:37:59 GMT
The issue people have with these sorts of twists is they can make the world at large feel smaller, like everything has to be connected and drawn back to references from the original source. I definitely felt that with the Palpatine crap; I don't have a problem with old god reveal in same manner, but can understand why someone else might feel that way. Yeah understandable. Like I get it, milleage will vary on this and for those reasons and especially if you don't like the Elf lore (and honestly I don't think I was even a huge fan until Inquisition) it will probably honk you off. But I still think Midnight Tea's point was valid, which may be another reason people don't like it, but they have been setting this up practically since Origins. Like this was probably my first pet theory I subscribed to because in my mind the 'Old Gods' just had to be the Evanuris because the Evanuris were the old gods. Though I am also thinking it might be a little bit more complicated then that. So the set up is there so what I have some disagreement with is the extent of the dissapointment, not the dissapointment itself. Again, to drive it home, this is something that has been in my mind and the fandom's mind since Origins. And yeah on the Palpatine front I think the criticism would be more valid but for Dragon Age in my mind this is how my study of history works. The United States is built on the British Empire which is partially built on the Romand Empire which is built on the Greeks which is built on the Egyptians. Empires and civilizations constantly build off of and influence the next ones in line to where there are a lot of examples and each one tends to have a lot of continuity. It wouldn't even surprise me if we find out the Elves themselves were built on something as well. I don't think they're the same either, and the seeds were always there for this reveal. And we still don't know the exact nature of the relationship between the archdemons and the old gods. Does it have an aspect of Ghilan'nain's soul, is it just her pet, is it part of the spell Solas used to seal the Evanuris? There are still a lot of questions to be answered on those fronts.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 24, 2024 21:38:36 GMT
You know, i start to think that companions indeed can't be attacked, because Rook is shown to have both attack and defense stat, meanwhile Davrin only has attack stat. This is strange because Bioware did say that companions have health bars. Another thing is that in bootom left corner in Rook character menu you can see "Stats", but there is no such thing in the companion menu. Agreed, that is interesting.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 24, 2024 21:39:51 GMT
We get a quick peek at an overview of Davrin's Skill Tree.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Aug 24, 2024 21:42:05 GMT
As someone else said, the constant rolling has me worried. You have a shield. Why is she rolling every half second? The combat itself looks like it might be fun as a rogue or mage. It didn’t look particularly bad. It looks bland, familiar, and average. Hopefully the lore and rpg aspects can pick up the slack. Hope to be wrong about the combat.
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Post by jrpN7 on Aug 24, 2024 21:54:01 GMT
I'm a little overwhelmed- I wasn't able to focus on the details and specifics of the combat vids partially because I was so distracted by the flashiness of it all. The bright yellows and greens of attacks, and the jarring neon purple and pink of a winged Lucanis. My brain is conflicted on whether this is a dark fantasy setting or Night City in Cyberpunk 2077. Fortunately, I don't get migraines from repetitive flashes... but I really sympathize with those that do. This honestly was too much; Bioware would be wise to tone it down.
Despite that, combat looked smooth and I'm eager to dive in. While I love Warriors, and Champion sounds like something right up my ally- especially if I can Captain America enemies into oblivion, I find myself wanting to play with lightning and it seems like Mage is the only class that allows me to do this. I do wish there was more mixing of elements and classes.
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Post by TheInvoker on Aug 24, 2024 22:04:36 GMT
"Picking which Abilities from the many in the arsenal to bring into battle is a strategic choice made for each encounter, and they can be swapped out anytime, except during combat."That's good. There was some concern we'd only be able to swap out our Abilities in the Lighthouse. it's also important how you do it. If i have to go into the menu every time and change manually every abiolity/rune/weapon (since it seems there will be builds with synery among all of these things) it's really bad! they should make sort of profiles/favorite like in MEA
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Post by themikefest on Aug 24, 2024 22:15:16 GMT
But as someone who loves this franchise everyone who has worked on this game deserves raises. They have taken someting I love and really look to have improved upon it. Did you have the same thoughts before DAI released?
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