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Post by fairdragon on Sept 30, 2024 13:58:24 GMT
This female character looks ugly = neutral opinion. I hope you don't mind. A neutrale version in my opinion would be: This female character looks ugly in my eyes. Because beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. If you speak for all, it feels like you trash the person that find that character beautiful. " You hate women, you are misogyne, go look for your anime porn " But yes that doesn't give the person the permission to react like this.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 30, 2024 14:08:37 GMT
The Keep being a online exclusive was always a mistake. Narrowing the choices down to three? Not the fucking solution. What choices realistically should be imported? It sounds like fan service like Citadel dlc fan service. I will tell you what i have wrtote many times and what i think should be the minimum. For me at least i want all importent choices for the characters that are returning. And yes many people find that to little.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 30, 2024 14:17:00 GMT
Also toxic positivity is totally a thing here. Of course not nearly as bad as vice versa but some people have a need to defend everything. Yeah, I noticed. Tried to talk about character and creature design and why Veilguard's does not work. Just got a bunch of butthurt indignation instead of an actual discussion. Some people are ridiculous.
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Post by sentinel87 on Sept 30, 2024 15:14:22 GMT
What choices realistically should be imported? It sounds like fan service like Citadel dlc fan service.
I can understand Bioware wanting to cut down minor things like the Denerim side quests. You could theoretically write stuff into DAV with those minor choices into account, but it would feel like a stretch. I can also understand them not wanting to have a hundred different choices to go through in the character creator.
Some additional choices that should be brought forward in my view are.
DAO: Who is the HoF, Who is the monarch of Ferelden, Does Morrigan have a son, Fate of the HoF DA2: Who is Hawke
DAI: Who is the monarch of Orlais, Who is left in the fade, Fate of the Grey Wardens, Who drank from the Well of Sorrows, Who is the Divine
It's the larger choices that either impact characters that show up, mainly Morrigan, or the world. Drinking from the Well should have a profound change on Morrigan compared to if she didn't. If Bioware is going to bring back these longtime characters they need to reflect the journey they have been on depending on the previous games.
The others are geopolitical and would still matter in Teventer and can easily be added in by simple NPC banter in the world, letters or throwaway lines by main characters. If Hawke went to keep an eye on the Wardens they can be mentioned that Hawke was there when we go to Weisshaupt. Maybe when you walk by an NPC they will talk about how luxury goods are being exported to Orlais if Celene is the ruler, if it's Gaspard its weapons that are being exported.
These little things that give each worldstate it's different feel. It doesn't need to be these actual characters showing up. Just people talking about their impact in the world.
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Post by sloth on Sept 30, 2024 15:23:04 GMT
And what kind of nonsense is "Veilguard is not a continuation?" Man, one of the main villains, Solas, is incomprehensible without playing through Inquisition and getting to know him. Varric is STILL serving as connective tissue between games. The entirety of Veilguard's plot was set up by Inquisition and Trespasser, we've known most of the broad strokes of it for all ten years we've been waiting. Without the long-running fanbase who care about the wider lore of the series AND our own personal investment in it and the choices we've made that have actively changed what goes down game to game Veilguard WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN MADE. Without the long term fans who care, Dragon Age dies and Bioware moves on to something else. This is pretty much how I feel about this latest revelation. Naturally, they couldn't include every decision from DAI, let alone earlier games, but to reduce it to just three options is a slap in the face to everyone who has played the series from the beginning, or even those who only played DAI. Bear in mind that DG admitted they had essentially split the story in two when he left Bioware. The reason some of us were questioning the writers' original alleged premise of Trespasser, that it was to finish the Inquisitor's importance as the main protagonist, was because not only was Solas confirmed to be the Dread Wolf (which we already knew from the epilogue to DAI) he also told them his plan. However, whilst they emphasised back in 2020 that it as time for a new hero, little did we suspect that they were going to negate everything that had gone before. I suppose we should have suspected something when they announced they wouldn't be using the Keep. Then the change of the name from Dreadwolf to The Veilguard because they wanted the focus to be on Rook and the new team. Essentially they are the Inquisition 2.0 but instead of relying on their quality alone to make us forget our previous team, they erased them instead. Saying who we romanced does not make up for this. Either they will have to refer to the Inquisition only very generically or they will choose their own canon and we will have to live with it. After all, in the case of the Iron Bull, he had two different outcomes even if you did romance him. So, how could the Inquisitor refer to him without saying this? Or is the LI only going to be referred to in a codex which will be suitably vague such as: "some say he betrayed the Inquisitor for the Qun, others that he still works as a mercenary carrying their dragon tooth with him." If you didn't romance him, what then? That is just one example. As we know from associated media it made little difference subsequently if we handed over the Inquisition to the Divine or disbanded it. In fact the epilogue to Trespasser showed that we intended hunting for Solas regardless, so hardly a significant decision when it came to how they framed their narrative. I dread to think how they are going to deal with the redeem or kill Solas choice but since we will not be able to control the Inquisitor, I assume they will have an enforced dialogue option based on that, much as was the case with Hawke. I don't know why they just didn't kill off the Inquisitor in Trespasser. That would have given their companions and the player good reason to want to pursue Solas but at least then we would know where we stood going forward. I'm not as attached to my Hero of Ferelden as some people but it is true that if they were still alive then it would make sense to call on them as the one person alive who has faced an Arch-demon and lived. I suppose we should have become more wary of the fact that they left their story hanging at the end of Trespasser, unless they romanced Leliana. In all other cases they were still meant to be somewhere out west looking for a cure for the Blight. Obviously we will never know the truth now since Morrigan won't be able to tell us, as she was only going to join them if she was romancing them. If they are mentioned at all I imagine there may be codex saying: "The Hero of Ferelden is dead", which will cover all possibilities whether they died doing the ultimate sacrifice or in retirement with Leliana or out west. As for the other Wardens, Alistair, Stroud and Loghain, no doubt they will be recorded as dead too. It will be up to your own world state when they died but if they survived to the end of DAI, then assume the Calling before 9:52. Hawke, if not left in the Fade presumed dead, was back in Kirkwall running things for the absent Varric at the end of Trespasser. That, I imagine, will be the last we hear of them. Although, the fact that people have been jumping in and out of the Fade now in the podcast, let alone DAV, and living to tell the tale, does raise the question of whether Hawke is really dead if you left them there. However, one decision they have left out of DAV that disappoints me the most is the Well of Sorrows. Solas made such a big deal out of it if you chose to drink. With Morrigan confirmed as returning I was convinced that would be significant going forward. Apparently not. I said after 10 years I would treat this as a new game lore wise with regard to annoying retcons but I didn't realise it was literally going to be a completely new game. The game play is entirely different, our previous choices have been erased and the setting looks completely different in some cases, Minrathous being a case in point, from how it was previously described in the lore. I paid good money for two World of Thedas books but I may as well have not bothered. As for characters and factions introduced prior to the game, only Tevinter Nights and other publications from 2020 onwards are relevant. So, as I've previously said on the Skepticism thread after seeing the game play, my decision whether to buy this game or not will be on the basis of any newly released game, not on the strength of Bioware games from 10 years or more ago. I never played Andromeda or Anthem because my PC didn't meet the spec. It still doesn't and so it is not just a matter of the purchase of the game but the equipment to play it on. Frankly, I'm really questioning whether it is worth it. They even broke their promise with the Keep itself! It was advertised as THE way to import your Worldstate decisions going forward, since it wasn't feasible to have saves from multiple console generations import natively, and even on PC there would be coding and game engine issues. With the Keep, though, it was possible to customize your experience within reason. And after one game, ONE the whole system gets abandoned for the sake of expedience. And even then once they no longer feel the need to upkeep the Keep, it goes defunct and then the only games where you can import your decisions are if your DA Origins and DA II are on the same machine. Once the online features of Inquisition are discontinued, that's it. They may as well be games from entirely different franchises, for all they matter to each other. just wanted to say that I agree 100% with everything you both said here and after reading that, also wanted to add how sad and frustrating it was to re-read this article released by IGN back in June:
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Post by Mresa on Sept 30, 2024 15:51:31 GMT
They even broke their promise with the Keep itself! It was advertised as THE way to import your Worldstate decisions going forward, since it wasn't feasible to have saves from multiple console generations import natively, and even on PC there would be coding and game engine issues. With the Keep, though, it was possible to customize your experience within reason. And after one game, ONE the whole system gets abandoned for the sake of expedience. And even then once they no longer feel the need to upkeep the Keep, it goes defunct and then the only games where you can import your decisions are if your DA Origins and DA II are on the same machine. Once the online features of Inquisition are discontinued, that's it. They may as well be games from entirely different franchises, for all they matter to each other. What they should've done, in my opinion. If keeping the web domain or whatever for the Keep being too hard, turn it into a desktop app. Because now I am concerned that if its gonna go down some day, how are you supposed to play Inquisition. I just feel so frustrated by this decision to completely ignore all the past games and decisions made in them. Like why cant they do it, if the Witcher could? I haven't played them much but I know they had quite a lot of things from the past games impact the events in the 3rd game. I get it you can't have everything but at least the key moments.
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Post by jadedragon on Sept 30, 2024 16:05:52 GMT
This is pretty much how I feel about this latest revelation. Naturally, they couldn't include every decision from DAI, let alone earlier games, but to reduce it to just three options is a slap in the face to everyone who has played the series from the beginning, or even those who only played DAI. Bear in mind that DG admitted they had essentially split the story in two when he left Bioware. The reason some of us were questioning the writers' original alleged premise of Trespasser, that it was to finish the Inquisitor's importance as the main protagonist, was because not only was Solas confirmed to be the Dread Wolf (which we already knew from the epilogue to DAI) he also told them his plan. However, whilst they emphasised back in 2020 that it as time for a new hero, little did we suspect that they were going to negate everything that had gone before. I suppose we should have suspected something when they announced they wouldn't be using the Keep. Then the change of the name from Dreadwolf to The Veilguard because they wanted the focus to be on Rook and the new team. Essentially they are the Inquisition 2.0 but instead of relying on their quality alone to make us forget our previous team, they erased them instead. Saying who we romanced does not make up for this. Either they will have to refer to the Inquisition only very generically or they will choose their own canon and we will have to live with it. After all, in the case of the Iron Bull, he had two different outcomes even if you did romance him. So, how could the Inquisitor refer to him without saying this? Or is the LI only going to be referred to in a codex which will be suitably vague such as: "some say he betrayed the Inquisitor for the Qun, others that he still works as a mercenary carrying their dragon tooth with him." If you didn't romance him, what then? That is just one example. As we know from associated media it made little difference subsequently if we handed over the Inquisition to the Divine or disbanded it. In fact the epilogue to Trespasser showed that we intended hunting for Solas regardless, so hardly a significant decision when it came to how they framed their narrative. I dread to think how they are going to deal with the redeem or kill Solas choice but since we will not be able to control the Inquisitor, I assume they will have an enforced dialogue option based on that, much as was the case with Hawke. I don't know why they just didn't kill off the Inquisitor in Trespasser. That would have given their companions and the player good reason to want to pursue Solas but at least then we would know where we stood going forward. I'm not as attached to my Hero of Ferelden as some people but it is true that if they were still alive then it would make sense to call on them as the one person alive who has faced an Arch-demon and lived. I suppose we should have become more wary of the fact that they left their story hanging at the end of Trespasser, unless they romanced Leliana. In all other cases they were still meant to be somewhere out west looking for a cure for the Blight. Obviously we will never know the truth now since Morrigan won't be able to tell us, as she was only going to join them if she was romancing them. If they are mentioned at all I imagine there may be codex saying: "The Hero of Ferelden is dead", which will cover all possibilities whether they died doing the ultimate sacrifice or in retirement with Leliana or out west. As for the other Wardens, Alistair, Stroud and Loghain, no doubt they will be recorded as dead too. It will be up to your own world state when they died but if they survived to the end of DAI, then assume the Calling before 9:52. Hawke, if not left in the Fade presumed dead, was back in Kirkwall running things for the absent Varric at the end of Trespasser. That, I imagine, will be the last we hear of them. Although, the fact that people have been jumping in and out of the Fade now in the podcast, let alone DAV, and living to tell the tale, does raise the question of whether Hawke is really dead if you left them there. However, one decision they have left out of DAV that disappoints me the most is the Well of Sorrows. Solas made such a big deal out of it if you chose to drink. With Morrigan confirmed as returning I was convinced that would be significant going forward. Apparently not. I said after 10 years I would treat this as a new game lore wise with regard to annoying retcons but I didn't realise it was literally going to be a completely new game. The game play is entirely different, our previous choices have been erased and the setting looks completely different in some cases, Minrathous being a case in point, from how it was previously described in the lore. I paid good money for two World of Thedas books but I may as well have not bothered. As for characters and factions introduced prior to the game, only Tevinter Nights and other publications from 2020 onwards are relevant. So, as I've previously said on the Skepticism thread after seeing the game play, my decision whether to buy this game or not will be on the basis of any newly released game, not on the strength of Bioware games from 10 years or more ago. I never played Andromeda or Anthem because my PC didn't meet the spec. It still doesn't and so it is not just a matter of the purchase of the game but the equipment to play it on. Frankly, I'm really questioning whether it is worth it. They even broke their promise with the Keep itself! It was advertised as THE way to import your Worldstate decisions going forward, since it wasn't feasible to have saves from multiple console generations import natively, and even on PC there would be coding and game engine issues. With the Keep, though, it was possible to customize your experience within reason. And after one game, ONE the whole system gets abandoned for the sake of expedience. And even then once they no longer feel the need to upkeep the Keep, it goes defunct and then the only games where you can import your decisions are if your DA Origins and DA II are on the same machine. Once the online features of Inquisition are discontinued, that's it. They may as well be games from entirely different franchises, for all they matter to each other. just wanted to say that I agree 100% with everything you both said here and after reading that, also wanted to add how sad and frustrating it was to re-read this article released by IGN back in June: What I dislike most now re-reading that article back is the evasivness about the fact they knew it was only 3 options and instead of peeling that band aid off in this moment and be straight up about it from the jump they tried to hide it. I even remember hearing about content creators being told not to talk about the Inquisitor creator part. And before I took this all as maybe their just trying to protect spoilers and stuff we would encounter in the game from the last game. But given what we got the choices we been given aren't even spoilers forreal. There is no reason to not reveal this early outside of worrying about backlash which was going to happen anyway as we see. But it does come off a little worse to me. I'm still playing the game but at this point they might as well give us a CC/demo to at least take one last big positive swing for this game before it drops.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 30, 2024 16:08:22 GMT
You might find this video interesting. Not hysterically ranting, just saying what I feel in a measured, reasonable way. As he says, he is still going to play the game but it won't be the same for him.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Sept 30, 2024 16:32:32 GMT
just wanted to say that I agree 100% with everything you both said here and after reading that, also wanted to add how sad and frustrating it was to re-read this article released by IGN back in June: What I dislike most now re-reading that article back is the evasivness about the fact they knew it was only 3 options and instead of peeling that band aid off in this moment and be straight up about it from the jump they tried to hide it. I even remember hearing about content creators being told not to talk about the Inquisitor creator part. And before I took this all as maybe their just trying to protect spoilers and stuff we would encounter in the game from the last game. But given what we got the choices we been given aren't even spoilers forreal. There is no reason to not reveal this early outside of worrying about backlash which was going to happen anyway as we see. But it does come off a little worse to me. I'm still playing the game but at this point they might as well give us a CC/demo to at least take one last big positive swing for this game before it drops. Yes, and Corinne also was asked a question about the Keep in the first discord Q&A and was similarly evasive. Probably comes across even worse because she specifically says she won't reveal the choices because "y'all don't want spoilers" when we now know that wasn't the real reason. Spoilered due to length but this is the full Q&A answer: Katey: Alright, so I’m gonna get back on track here. Alright. What, what were some of the development considerations that you had to take into account to ensure that this new game flows and functions with prior games, and Dragon Age Keep, if Keep is being utilized?
Corinne: Ooh, that’s a good one too. So, first of all, I would, I would point everyone to, we did an interview with IGN that goes into some of the details there, so, like, if you want a deeper dive on it, check out that article. But just to summarize, we have taken a different approach on how you import your decisions this time around. It’s now actually been fully-integrated into the Character Creator, and kinda serves a dual purpose, to be honest. I, I playfully, it’s not called this in-game, but I playfully think of it as ‘Last Time On Dragon Age’.
Katey: I love that.
Corinne: Right? Now, when I talk about its dual purpose, it’s been ten years since the last Dragon Age game released, so it serves as a refresher on critical events as well as allowing you to re-make those decisions that are critical to you. The thing I love about it is, it’s very highly visual, it uses the familiar tarot card aesthetic, so it’s actually really visual and playful experience as you go through it. It is very much important to us that it’s built into the client, though. You can play this game entirely offline. No connection. You don’t have to link to your EA accounts, like that’s been a really big request. So, the refresher plus make those decisions in-client, I think we’re all pretty happy about that. I don’t wanna spoil anything by revealing what decisions you can import, like, look, y’all don’t want the spoilers, but I will say, it’s been a really interesting creative intersection for us, because on the one hand, this is a whole new adventure. You’re in northern Thedas, these locations that you’ve literally never been to before. So that affects some of what will matter and what we’re not using this time around, as far as decisions. But obviously there’s some very, very clear connections to existing characters. It’s no secret that the Inquisitor, our dear Inky, is gonna show up, so, that’s, that’s a factor.
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Post by Guardian on Sept 30, 2024 16:59:13 GMT
What they should've done, in my opinion. If keeping the web domain or whatever for the Keep being too hard, turn it into a desktop app. Because now I am concerned that if its gonna go down some day, how are you supposed to play Inquisition. The only issue with this is for console players. As much as I felt Inquisition was okay, I still like to pull it out and play it now and then. But I don't play on PC; I don't have a powerful enough machine to do so (nor the capital to invest that kind of money into a PC that would play all the games I currently have). Still, this isn't a bad idea! It just doesn't take into account those that don't play on PC
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Post by Guardian on Sept 30, 2024 17:00:27 GMT
You might find this video interesting. Not hysterically ranting, just saying what I feel in a measured, reasonable way. As he says, he is still going to play the game but it won't be the same for him. This is absolutely a wonderful take and response. Well said and good find.
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Post by Mresa on Sept 30, 2024 17:13:49 GMT
What they should've done, in my opinion. If keeping the web domain or whatever for the Keep being too hard, turn it into a desktop app. Because now I am concerned that if its gonna go down some day, how are you supposed to play Inquisition. The only issue with this is for console players. As much as I felt Inquisition was okay, I still like to pull it out and play it now and then. But I don't play on PC; I don't have a powerful enough machine to do so (nor the capital to invest that kind of money into a PC that would play all the games I currently have). Still, this isn't a bad idea! It just doesn't take into account those that don't play on PC Good point! Not sure if you can have apps that connect to games in consoles like that, I guess in a form of dlc instead maybe. Not that tech savvy but I feel like something could be done.
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Post by sloth on Sept 30, 2024 17:28:14 GMT
What I dislike most now re-reading that article back is the evasivness about the fact they knew it was only 3 options and instead of peeling that band aid off in this moment and be straight up about it from the jump they tried to hide it. I even remember hearing about content creators being told not to talk about the Inquisitor creator part. And before I took this all as maybe their just trying to protect spoilers and stuff we would encounter in the game from the last game. But given what we got the choices we been given aren't even spoilers forreal. There is no reason to not reveal this early outside of worrying about backlash which was going to happen anyway as we see. But it does come off a little worse to me. I'm still playing the game but at this point they might as well give us a CC/demo to at least take one last big positive swing for this game before it drops. Yes, and Corinne also was asked a question about the Keep in the first discord Q&A and was similarly evasive. Probably comes across even worse because she specifically says she won't reveal the choices because "y'all don't want spoilers" when we now know that wasn't the real reason. Spoilered due to length but this is the full Q&A answer: Katey: Alright, so I’m gonna get back on track here. Alright. What, what were some of the development considerations that you had to take into account to ensure that this new game flows and functions with prior games, and Dragon Age Keep, if Keep is being utilized?
Corinne: Ooh, that’s a good one too. So, first of all, I would, I would point everyone to, we did an interview with IGN that goes into some of the details there, so, like, if you want a deeper dive on it, check out that article. But just to summarize, we have taken a different approach on how you import your decisions this time around. It’s now actually been fully-integrated into the Character Creator, and kinda serves a dual purpose, to be honest. I, I playfully, it’s not called this in-game, but I playfully think of it as ‘Last Time On Dragon Age’.
Katey: I love that.
Corinne: Right? Now, when I talk about its dual purpose, it’s been ten years since the last Dragon Age game released, so it serves as a refresher on critical events as well as allowing you to re-make those decisions that are critical to you. The thing I love about it is, it’s very highly visual, it uses the familiar tarot card aesthetic, so it’s actually really visual and playful experience as you go through it. It is very much important to us that it’s built into the client, though. You can play this game entirely offline. No connection. You don’t have to link to your EA accounts, like that’s been a really big request. So, the refresher plus make those decisions in-client, I think we’re all pretty happy about that. I don’t wanna spoil anything by revealing what decisions you can import, like, look, y’all don’t want the spoilers, but I will say, it’s been a really interesting creative intersection for us, because on the one hand, this is a whole new adventure. You’re in northern Thedas, these locations that you’ve literally never been to before. So that affects some of what will matter and what we’re not using this time around, as far as decisions. But obviously there’s some very, very clear connections to existing characters. It’s no secret that the Inquisitor, our dear Inky, is gonna show up, so, that’s, that’s a factor. wow, I guess I didn't see that interview before. That's unbeliveable, actually she is definitely talking about more than "just 3 choices" here
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Post by LoonySpectre on Sept 30, 2024 17:32:40 GMT
Obviously hadn't read the entire thread, but I think that this issue is mostly philosophical. In Mass Effect and Dragon Age, Old Save Bonuses (to use TVTropes lingo) became a form of art. Like, "damn, they are so dedicated to the art that they keep track of the smallest possible details in the narration and have plans for an ungodly amount of story branches." It gives the players a feeling that they really have some kind of long-term influence on the game's world in general. There's nothing wrong in other types of "sequel philosophy" per se. IIRC, the only decision you could import from Witcher II to Witcher III was whether you supported Roche or Iorveth, for instance. Fallout sequels simply ignore most of the things the protagonists can do in a playthrough, and have some "default" version of past events when needed (for instance, New Vegas implies that Marcus was hired by the Chosen One and took part in the final battle at the Enclave base). For an extreme version, Final Fantasy main numbered sequels have no connection between them whatsoever, save for recurring elements (moogles, Chocobo, money being called "gil", iconic monsters such as Cactuars and Tonberrys). But switching to a different sequel philosophy in the middle of a franchise famous for one approach is destined to rub some fans the wrong way. I, for one, is unhappy with this switch, but I understand that there might be a numerous part of the fanbase that likes Dragon Age for other things than meticulous attention to details. And, that said, it would be interesting to see a Final Fantasy-style Dragon Age sequels: take some iconic elements of DA (Darkspawn, Grey Wardens, disappeared dragons that suddenly re-emerge, possibly qunari) and implant them into a completely different setting on a completely different planet with different tech level/mechanics of magic.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 30, 2024 18:14:59 GMT
I can understand Bioware wanting to cut down minor things like the Denerim side quests. You could theoretically write stuff into DAV with those minor choices into account, but it would feel like a stretch. I can also understand them not wanting to have a hundred different choices to go through in the character creator.
Whos talking about hundred? Most choices won´t matter anymore because Veilguard isn´t longer in Southern Thedas and there is an almost 25 years time jump between Origins and Veilguard. And some choices aren´t important in the Keep in first place.
And don´t forget that in DAO and DA 2 was almost a big battle in Denerim and Kirkwall so who knows who die offscreen. For example Ser Karras and Idunna could have died both at the end of DA 2 if Hawke spare them before.
Also lets face it besides Kieran, Feynriel, DA 2 Arishok, Javaris, Ser Barris, Sutherland plus Company and perhabs Bevin (yeah just kidding its just me ) nobody cares (or should i better say that much) about other the side characters and the events.
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Post by Quickpaw on Oct 1, 2024 0:19:10 GMT
And you can't even set what CLASS your Inquisitor was!
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Post by Guardian on Oct 1, 2024 3:26:10 GMT
And you can't even set what CLASS your Inquisitor was! *goes back and checks*
....Holy Hell....you can't! How did we miss that?
Calling it right now - they'll make the Inquisitor a mage by default. I mean, that's what I made so it doesn't really affect me, but still. Those that made rogues/warriors I can understand the frustration and disappointment they must feel if that's the case.
....Which...makes me wonder if that is the case, who did drink from the well? Not that it matters, given what we've been told.
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Post by illuminated11 on Oct 1, 2024 3:43:18 GMT
Inquisitior’s class probably just isn’t going to factor into the story. Chances are they function similar to an advisor from Inquisition and stay at the base.
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Post by roselavellan on Oct 1, 2024 6:11:46 GMT
Inquisitior’s class probably just isn’t going to factor into the story. Chances are they function similar to an advisor from Inquisition and stay at the base. That seems likely, unfortunately, but then how will Bioware accommodate a portion of the fandom's wish to defeat Solas directly?
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Post by illuminated11 on Oct 1, 2024 6:20:21 GMT
Inquisitior’s class probably just isn’t going to factor into the story. Chances are they function similar to an advisor from Inquisition and stay at the base. That seems likely, unfortunately, but then how will Bioware accommodate a portion of the fandom's wish to defeat Solas directly? Murder knife 2.0. Edit: The more serious answer is that Rook will likely be the one to deal the finishing blow. Inquisitor might be there as well to encourage/ disagree with the choice.
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Post by roselavellan on Oct 1, 2024 6:38:08 GMT
That seems likely, unfortunately, but then how will Bioware accommodate a portion of the fandom's wish to defeat Solas directly? Murder knife 2.0. Edit: The more serious answer is that Rook will likely be the one to deal the finishing blow. Inquisitor might be there as well to encourage/ disagree with the choice. That was my point though, encouraging an outcome is not actually dealing with it directly. Not being in control of the Inquisitor doesn't sound satisfying for either the redeem or the kill side of the fandom. But I'm probably beating a dead horse here.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 1, 2024 6:40:58 GMT
Inquisitior’s class probably just isn’t going to factor into the story. Chances are they function similar to an advisor from Inquisition and stay at the base. That seems likely, unfortunately, but then how will Bioware accommodate a portion of the fandom's wish to defeat Solas directly? I don't think the Inquisitor defeating Solas directly was ever on the table. At best I was thinking something along the lines that Rook stabs Solas and as he is bleeding out he sees the Inquisitor standing over him all triumphant like... That is of course unless Rook and/ or the Inquisitor will want to redeem him.
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Post by roselavellan on Oct 1, 2024 6:47:04 GMT
That seems likely, unfortunately, but then how will Bioware accommodate a portion of the fandom's wish to defeat Solas directly? I don't think the Inquisitor defeating Solas directly was ever on the table. At best I was thinking something along the lines that Rook stabs Solas and as he is bleeding out he sees the Inquisitor standing over him all triumphant like... That is of course unless Rook and/ or the Inquisitor will want to redeem him. I guess nothing prevents the Inquisitor from stabbing Solas in a cutscene. Ah but I will continue dreaming of a controllable Inquisitor till I press play next month (or whenever).
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Post by helios969 on Oct 1, 2024 6:59:40 GMT
You might find this video interesting. Not hysterically ranting, just saying what I feel in a measured, reasonable way. As he says, he is still going to play the game but it won't be the same for him. Aptly sums up my feelings. I've been long critical of Bioware and their constant desire to cultivate new fans at the expense of the existing one. It's a zero-sum game. Of all the things I may b*tch about this is the sort of decision by the devs that most has me concerned about playing. In my mind they can f*ck up everything else but if the story is crap, e.g. contrived and/or they dilute player agency then Bioware is really no longer Bioware...no longer that developer that will craft in the minutia we've come to expect from them. It also makes me question just how "big" a fans of the series some of them claim to be...no fan would discount something as important as who drank from the well or the Old God Baby arc...those seem like no brainers to me. And much of the other stuff can be mentioned in passing really easily so I find it baffling they didn't incorporate stuff like who is the "Divine in the South" or who was lost in the fade or how the Wardens were handles by the Inquisitor (okay maybe a bit harder on that one). All this stuff steals much of the motivation to replay the previous games...because they've decided your choices do not matter. Regardless whether the game ends up selling well or not...what do you tell new players when they ask if it's worth playing previous titles? My response might be something along the lines of yeah, but...with this and that caveat for each of the previous titles. Bioware has effectively stolen away any meaningful agency for new gamers to go and play the previous titles retroactively. That's a terrible business decision. But then after MEA and Anthem this is what I've come to expect. Yet for some damn reason I still keep on hoping.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 1, 2024 7:10:34 GMT
You might find this video interesting. Not hysterically ranting, just saying what I feel in a measured, reasonable way. As he says, he is still going to play the game but it won't be the same for him. Aptly sums up my feelings. I've been long critical of Bioware and their constant desire to cultivate new fans at the expense of the existing one. It's a zero-sum game. Of all the things I may b*tch about this is the sort of decision by the devs that most has me concerned about playing. In my mind they can f*ck up everything else but if the story is crap, e.g. contrived and/or they dilute player agency then Bioware is really no longer Bioware...no longer that developer that will craft in the minutia we've come to expect from them. It also makes me question just how "big" a fans of the series some of them claim to be...no fan would discount something as important as who drank from the well or the Old God Baby arc...those seem like no brainers to me. And much of the other stuff can be mentioned in passing really easily so I find it baffling they didn't incorporate stuff like who is the "Divine in the South" or who was lost in the fade or how the Wardens were handles by the Inquisitor (okay maybe a bit harder on that one). All this stuff steals much of the motivation to replay the previous games...because they've decided your choices do not matter. Regardless whether the game ends up selling well or not...what do you tell new players when they ask if it's worth playing previous titles? My response might be something along the lines of yeah, but...with this and that caveat for each of the previous titles. Bioware has effectively stolen away any meaningful agency for new gamers to go and play the previous titles retroactively. That's a terrible business decision. But then after MEA and Anthem this is what I've come to expect. Yet for some damn reason I still keep on hoping. I don't think the desire to cultivate new fans is a zero sum game. Old fans could lose interest, die off, not have the money, whatever the case would be so it is natural for any entertainment property to want to cultivate new fans to replace them. As far as the 'expense of existing fans' is concerned I likewise am like the biggest fan of this series. Like while I love/ like a lot of entertainment properties and flit between them quite regurlarily DA the main thing where I know its history more then our own sort of deal. I breathe this universe and its just meant so much to me personally...and I'm just not bothered by this. Sure it depends probably on exactly how you feel but a lot of fans on these boards aren't in here, aren't raising a stink, and still remain highly excited about this game. And a lot of commentary on the web remain likewise. Just went to the YouTube comment section for both the one month away announcement and the Hans ZImmer score and the vast majority of it was positive and how it sounded like Origins so it just seems while a lot of fans who are REALLY into the series REALLY care a lot of fans also can't really be bothered. And as far as ruining replayability of the previous games...I just disagree. These games and game worlds have always mattered internally way more then they have to any potential sequels. The MET is a trilogy that tried to be different and the ending fell apart in large part because there was so much carry over. What you do in Inquisition should matter far more in Inquisition then in Veilguard by a matter of technical neccisity and internal story cohesion. And I think BioWare has slowly been figuring that out over the last several games. Plus, we know that plot lines and chocies have been closing and opening both in Mass Effect and Dragon Age all the time, most of our choices just have already come to their natural story fruition and while cameos and flavor is fun its just not neccessary to continue a story beat beyond its expiration date.
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