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Post by Lebanese Dude on Oct 11, 2024 15:31:40 GMT
The middle ground has been reached. There are *3* important decisions that have bearing on the setting of DAVG (much like previous games) and they were presumably (based on the devs) given significance. The rest are just fluff that was cut for some reason. 3 are not the middleground and i disagree with bierkrug 3 aren´t even the bare minimum.
Only Morrigan's ritual, Hawke's personality, and Alistair's fate have any impact. That's three choices. The rest have almost no impact and amount to cameos (usually only in the table) or codex entries. They also made sense cause the setting overlapped and featured outcomes from previous games. And frankly it wasn't even all that. Morrigan's ritual outcome ends up not mattering at all, so it's just about Kieran's cameo. A lot of people got mad at how their Hawke talked, so that was not that much of a positive either for a lot of people (though I liked it). So it's mostly just Alistair's presence, since arguably the most heartbreaking decision in the game can be picking Alistair or Hawke. DAO and DA2's plot threads have more or less been resolved, so it makes sense that only DAI choices are relevant. I'd like to believe that the Inquisitor's relationship with Solas will be of particular importance to how the story plays out, both regarding Harding's perspective on him and the Inquisitor's part in the story.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 11, 2024 15:43:57 GMT
Beg you and others to actually point out to me the number of keep choices in DAI that had a significant impact on the game. It's only Morrigan's ritual, Hawke's personality, and Alistair's fate. That's three choices. The rest have almost no impact and amount to cameos (usually only in the table) or codex entries. So stop lying to yourself. You still don´t get it but there are than those 3. Sure they aren´t important but they enrich each players expericence.
For example Dagna how funny you don´t mention her at all. Yes there only small differences in dialogues at the end of it but it make it way more personal.
So sad that you don´t see it. Also of course ignored that the fact that Varric won´t mention his best friend Hawke in Veilguard and Morrigan won´t say a word about Kieran. Again stop lying to yourself and defending this. Atleast you should do a much better job if you want to contuine. But the Inky is returning so course you have like this and previously in DAI Hawke. Sure the main plots but seeing the old Arishok in a new role would be interesting or the status of Merrill and Fenris. Really you bad for your argumentation that Varric is returning who is still friends with those characters (minus Anders and Sebastian???)
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Post by bierkrug on Oct 11, 2024 16:26:12 GMT
I mean the fact that you view it as a "Solasmancer" situation only tells me exactly what I need to know about the level of cynicism you're approaching this with, so there's no point in having a discussion since everything you say is tainted by irrational animus. Excuse me? Can you translate that into something more understandable for someone whose first languages aren't English and Pretentious? What you feel "should" happen has been percolating in your mind for years (I assume) so now you're just getting frustrated at things not playing out the same way as your constructed fantasy and you're taking it out on the game. Bioware completely ignoring the standards they set and disappointing fans left and right is not really my fault. By all means, proceed. I hope you end up enjoying the game, and look back at how ridiculous this is. Let's see how quickly it ends up in the bargain bin then.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 11, 2024 19:36:08 GMT
The middle ground has been reached. There are *3* important decisions that have bearing on the setting of DAVG (much like previous games) and they were presumably (based on the devs) given significance. The rest are just fluff that was cut for some reason. Honestly... I hate that I have to *defend* this at all (as you say it). We're getting an entirely new setting with new characters and experiences (effectively a fresh slate), finally moving away from southern Thedas, into worlds that we've only experienced second-hand via codex entries or characters (Tevinter, Weisshaupt, Arlathan), and people are still stuck in the past about stuff they may or may have not done a *decade* ago in game time... because they want devs to account for hundreds of quantum states for stuff that is effectively meaningless in the story THEY want to tell. The whole game *is* fan service to me as a long-time fan and it's just jarring that people made *this* some central topic to discuss. Why am I even here. Idk if you actually read this thread but literally no one is asking them to account for hundreds of choices. And defending the bare minimum and calling it a middle ground is a interesting choice. To say we got the most important choices when in all truth and honesty the Well of Sorrows choice narratively seemed more important then who the Inquisitor romanced unless their romance was Solas. Nobody is asking to see every little character we ever met in Dragon Age. If anything I've seen people actually voice valid characters and cameos they would like to see given that particular character or decisions were decisions that effected either the North(Shale,Fenris,Zev,Josephine) or both(who is Divine). What choice is important is ultimately determined by the written they could've made the well of sorrows or grey wardens being exiled to the Anderfels feel just as important as the other choices but they made the decision not to. That's on the writers pen on their skill level to implement a compelling narrative. This is far from a middle ground because I can easily find probably 15 solid choices they could've implemented in this game easily. 15 is a long way from hundreds I'll tell you that much. Your not really defending the decision it sounds more like settling for something that even the most passionate dragon age fans have expressed disappointment on. If you asked anybody and I mean anybody what is the minimum number of choices they would want from the Keep I promise you nobody would've said 3 a month ago. And of those 3 I doubt anybody would've picked 2 choices from trespassers. I get their are extremes on both sides but I personally as a Dragon Age fan refuse to just settle for again and call it OK. That's not actually loving the series to me because the devs should know and see how much these decisions mean to gamers. When we have video game companies who actually are putting in the work and going above fan expectations it makes it harder for these old excuses to mean anything. End of the day what Larian has done with BG3 especially post launch puts the efforts alot of writers and games devs put in their game to shame. Because I absolutely believe it makes so much more sense to make a game that caters to your 10 year fanbase who clearly not only still remember many choices but are passionate about it. And passion can be infecting if not fabricated it'll build new fans. And those new fans who picked default in Veilguard in this age of social media would see the multiple reactions people would have to these cameos and moments and that has a greater chance of having new players revist the old games also especially knowing it'll effect Veilguard. That's not how you just build a new fan for Veilguard but ultimately the Dragon Age Series which should have always been the goal I'm about as passionate for this game series then anyone I know and I pretty much predicted this very outcome. Granted, surprisingly, we didn't really discuss it too often so I don't have a lot of receipts. But I have been pretty convinced based on how Inquisition ended and the intervening years that the vast majority of decisions wouldn't import. Like I can just think of 2 more choices that I'd add but even then they'd just fall into the realm of cameo, so not that important. Also pretty sure Lebanese Dude is also a passionate fan.
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Post by phoray on Oct 12, 2024 12:32:25 GMT
The HoF is never coming back, people are going to need to accept that. It would be a nightmare and Inquisition-Hawke complaints amplified by x100. At best, they're dead in all timelines, whether because of the Calling or the Fifth Blight, and we'll see some sort of memorial at Weisshaupt. And frankly, I'd be fine with them being dead. The main theme of Origins is sacrifice, at some point the warden is going to have to pay their due. My blood mage warden will live as long as the special Awakening Magic will allow for, which sounds like a century or two.
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Post by phoray on Oct 12, 2024 13:04:01 GMT
yep, looking at the Keep options... it's sad and unbelievable what they are doing in DA:TV about this... don't know, it's like they don't care anymore for DA:O and DA2 and thought the players didn't care too When the Keep was created, Bioware was clear that having a choice in there wasn't equal to it being referenced in a future game. They repeated it multiple time around DAI release. Just like DA2 doesn't reference everyting you did in your imported DAO save. And DAI doesn't reference everything from DAO and DA2 that was entered in your loaded keep timeline. And some of the stuff in the Keep has common resolution in-game which isn't represented by the choice selection. For example, Calpernia/Samson. It doesn't matter if you sided with the Mages or Templars, by the end of DAI: Calpernia always live (and always a Venatori). Samson always dies. Samson doesn't die, Cullen made sure of that at the trial.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 12, 2024 15:56:54 GMT
Hol' up... it is still possible to choose the Inquisitor's basic class, right? It would be pretty crazy otherwise.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Oct 12, 2024 16:10:51 GMT
Hol' up... it is still possible to choose the Inquisitor's basic class, right? It would be pretty crazy otherwise. Not looking like it.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 12, 2024 16:43:49 GMT
Hol' up... it is still possible to choose the Inquisitor's basic class, right? It would be pretty crazy otherwise. Not looking like it. [br If that really is the case, it probably means the Inquisitor won't be fighting. S/He is just going to help with strategy, plans and such.
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Post by fairdragon on Oct 12, 2024 17:26:46 GMT
I'd love to see how they'd remake Origins. I think the odds of a remake of these games is zero. Mark Darrah talks in one of his videos about how several themes and plot elements couldn't be remade today. A graphical remaster and collection like Mass Effect seems possible, but hard to do. Wasn't it the other way around? remaster is zero, because of the engine. If we get it, only remake would work.
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Post by Dukemon on Oct 12, 2024 18:42:26 GMT
Precisely because the Grey Wardens seem to be important, I find it very suspicious that decisions from Inquisition have no influence on how hard Ghilan'nain will have to fight the Wardens. It wasn't just the decision where the Wardens were expelled from Orlais. Or stayed and distrusted the Order in Weisshaupt. The table missions also had a very exciting quest with a sequence that depended heavily on how attentive the player was. The better stories were on the war table anyway, but the missions with the Grey Wardens were probably the most relevant for the combat strength of the Wardens. Why this has no impact on the Wardens in Veilguard. We are not only in Tevinter and even in Ferelden and Kirkwall we heard alot about the Archon and the Black Divine. Why Tevinter would not talk about the old waffler in the south?
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 12, 2024 18:47:10 GMT
[br If that really is the case, it probably means the Inquisitor won't be fighting. S/He is just going to help with strategy, plans and such. I'm not sure, but I think only a female mage Elf could romance Solas. That said, I wonder why of all things to import they felt romance was the most important.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 12, 2024 18:51:15 GMT
[br If that really is the case, it probably means the Inquisitor won't be fighting. S/He is just going to help with strategy, plans and such. I'm not sure, but I think only a female mage Elf could romance Solas. That said, I wonder why of all things to import they felt romance was the most important. To determine if Inky loves Solas or not. Oh, and the other LIs will get a line or two mention.
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Post by jennica on Oct 12, 2024 18:51:55 GMT
[br If that really is the case, it probably means the Inquisitor won't be fighting. S/He is just going to help with strategy, plans and such. I'm not sure, but I think only a female mage Elf could romance Solas. That said, I wonder why of all things to import they felt romance was the most important. Lavellan can be any class, not just mage, to be able to romance Solas.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 12, 2024 18:53:52 GMT
I'm not sure, but I think only a female mage Elf could romance Solas. That said, I wonder why of all things to import they felt romance was the most important. To determine if Inky loves Solas or not. Oh, and the other LIs will get a line or two mention. I'd be surprised if they did. Well Dorian should...otherwise.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 12, 2024 19:00:39 GMT
To determine if Inky loves Solas or not. Oh, and the other LIs will get a line or two mention. I'd be surprised if they did. Well Dorian should...otherwise. No, I meant Inky will say a sentence or two about the other LIs. Meanwhile will say essays about Solas romance stuff.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 12, 2024 19:09:16 GMT
I'd be surprised if they did. Well Dorian should...otherwise. No, I meant Inky will say a sentence or two about the other LIs. Meanwhile will say essays about Solas romance stuff. And I meant what I said. I doubt Cullen, Sera, or Bull will get a mention. They just aren't relevant to the plot. Dorian might. Heck since I'm thinking about it Josie might to.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 12, 2024 19:21:39 GMT
No, I meant Inky will say a sentence or two about the other LIs. Meanwhile will say essays about Solas romance stuff. And I meant what I said. I doubt Cullen, Sera, or Bull will get a mention. They just aren't relevant to the plot. Dorian might. Heck since I'm thinking about it Josie might to. I think all will get a mention. The DA2 LIs had nothing to do with the DAI plot, but Hawke still mentioned them explaining why they weren’t currently with them.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 12, 2024 23:22:50 GMT
Wasn't it the other way around? remaster is zero, because of the engine. If we get it, only remake would work. I don't see any chance of a remake. I'm sure they would rather make a new game given all the effort. Even with engine issues I expect they could package the games together.
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Post by fairdragon on Oct 13, 2024 9:10:22 GMT
Wasn't it the other way around? remaster is zero, because of the engine. If we get it, only remake would work. I don't see any chance of a remake. I'm sure they would rather make a new game given all the effort. Even with engine issues I expect they could package the games together. Yes they could package the games together. But remaster doesn't work, because of the engine they needed to use for that isn't workebale. Edit: the engine fall apart (Darrahs words)
Darrah said remake would be much work, but it is now more likeble then for 2-3 years. But i agree i don't expect to get any of the games remaked. But remake is more likely then remaster. I can't see EA put DAO and DA2 as it is in a package, because DAO has aged poorly and DA2 has got to much hate. Edit: so yes i agree we will only get new DA games.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 13, 2024 9:31:58 GMT
DA2 has got to much hate. Which is curious, I enjoy it most of the three. I think it has aged well.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Oct 17, 2024 1:08:30 GMT
Idk if you actually read this thread but literally no one is asking them to account for hundreds of choices. And defending the bare minimum and calling it a middle ground is a interesting choice. To say we got the most important choices when in all truth and honesty the Well of Sorrows choice narratively seemed more important then who the Inquisitor romanced unless their romance was Solas. Nobody is asking to see every little character we ever met in Dragon Age. If anything I've seen people actually voice valid characters and cameos they would like to see given that particular character or decisions were decisions that effected either the North(Shale,Fenris,Zev,Josephine) or both(who is Divine). What choice is important is ultimately determined by the written they could've made the well of sorrows or grey wardens being exiled to the Anderfels feel just as important as the other choices but they made the decision not to. That's on the writers pen on their skill level to implement a compelling narrative. This is far from a middle ground because I can easily find probably 15 solid choices they could've implemented in this game easily. 15 is a long way from hundreds I'll tell you that much. Your not really defending the decision it sounds more like settling for something that even the most passionate dragon age fans have expressed disappointment on. If you asked anybody and I mean anybody what is the minimum number of choices they would want from the Keep I promise you nobody would've said 3 a month ago. And of those 3 I doubt anybody would've picked 2 choices from trespassers. I get their are extremes on both sides but I personally as a Dragon Age fan refuse to just settle for again and call it OK. That's not actually loving the series to me because the devs should know and see how much these decisions mean to gamers. When we have video game companies who actually are putting in the work and going above fan expectations it makes it harder for these old excuses to mean anything. End of the day what Larian has done with BG3 especially post launch puts the efforts alot of writers and games devs put in their game to shame. Because I absolutely believe it makes so much more sense to make a game that caters to your 10 year fanbase who clearly not only still remember many choices but are passionate about it. And passion can be infecting if not fabricated it'll build new fans. And those new fans who picked default in Veilguard in this age of social media would see the multiple reactions people would have to these cameos and moments and that has a greater chance of having new players revist the old games also especially knowing it'll effect Veilguard. That's not how you just build a new fan for Veilguard but ultimately the Dragon Age Series which should have always been the goal I'm about as passionate for this game series then anyone I know and I pretty much predicted this very outcome. Granted, surprisingly, we didn't really discuss it too often so I don't have a lot of receipts. But I have been pretty convinced based on how Inquisition ended and the intervening years that the vast majority of decisions wouldn't import. Like I can just think of 2 more choices that I'd add but even then they'd just fall into the realm of cameo, so not that important. Also pretty sure Lebanese Dude is also a passionate fan. 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