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Post by Ieldra on Nov 2, 2024 8:51:11 GMT
More comments after playing some more:
I love the environmental art. Whoever did this did an outstanding job. The maps look fantastic and imaginative, and that does a lot to offset the less pleasant aspects of the game.
As for the maps in general, I also like them for what they are. Some say there aren't enough meaningful things to do in the city maps, for instance, which is true for me so far, but did anyone really expect BG3 levels of interactivity? Also, I once criticized Mass Effect 2's maps with the statement "ME1 had locations, ME2 has game levels". You see something of that here as well, but DAV's maps do a much better job at creating the illusion of being locations than ME2 ever did.
The game structure also reminds me of ME2. I'm not that far into the game, but it seems...
...we'll get a bunch of recruitment missions and a bunch of loyalty missions with a handful of main-plot related missions to bring the actual story forward. I didn't like it in ME2, and I won't like it in DAV if that turns out to be true, but at least ME2 had memorable characters....
Which brings me to the characters and character writing. This is abysmally awful. Most companions don't have an ounce of passion, and I haven't met a single one with even the hint of an edge. All we get is bland matter-of-factness. At times it seems the writers thought characters exist for infodumping and to remind the player of things like there is a door in the wall of the room. Repeatedly. It also screams "safety" in every direction, as if the writers were walking on eggshells afraid of writing something that someone else doesn't like. Which I suspect is somewhat close to the truth.
And finally, the combat reminds me of DA2. This is not a compliment. The combat systems work all right, and the skill system has quite a bit of potential, but it's all made irrelevant by the combat encounter design. Meaningful combat? Nope. Most of the time we don't even get an explanation of why the enemies exist, and they just teleport in from nowhere or pour in through a door we can later see has nothing behind it just like in DA2. There doesn't seem much enemy variety either, but that might still change.
For now, I still like to walk through the game world and follow the variety of small plotlines, simplistic as they might be. We'll see how this continues....
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Post by parsival on Nov 2, 2024 9:23:04 GMT
It's certainly not a 'low fantasy' world any more, is it? I ran through some of Origins, DA 2 and Inquisition in preparation for Veilguard and the differences are stark. An underwater prison? If you want a prison in Antiva, why not use Velabanchel that is mentioned in The Silent Grove graphic novel? I prefer low fantasy.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 2, 2024 9:31:19 GMT
For me Bellara is Sera like, but less annoying. But i musst say i love old Disney, so the disney dialog aren't my problem.
I am not sure about Neve or Harding yet.
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Post by LogicGunn on Nov 2, 2024 9:35:10 GMT
Somewhere in act 1. I am blown away. I expected it to tick most of my boxes, but it's absolutely stunning. I feel a lot like I did playing Origins and 2 for the first time. I'm not going to spoil anything, but someone on the writing team is a fan of classic lit, and the depth of lore here is very true to the first three games.
I am a Solas hater, but I have a feeling I'm going to warm up to him. Prick. XD
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Post by journey95 on Nov 2, 2024 11:23:59 GMT
Finally played a few hours of the game and in my opinion its not as bad as I expected (I thought it would be complete shit) but its still very lacking in many areas (which was obvious) and far from Bioware's best.
What I like:
- No Open world. Hated those useless open world areas in Inquisition (and Andromeda too), Bioware can't do open world well unlike CDPR so they were just huge empty areas with boring fetch quests to pad out the game. Really glad they got rid of this and returned to their linear style. This game despite its flaws doesn't feel like a chore (so far) unlike Inquisition which already had the hinterlands BS at this point
- Rook. His VA (male voice 1) is geniunely great, probably the best VA performance in the game apart from Solas and Varric. I don't like the lack of RP but overall if you are not going to have RP options at least make the character more memorable which is what they did. So I like him more than the Inquisitor.
- the environments are really beauitful and fun to explore since they are smaller, kind of like Origins. The Lighthouse is a unique "home" area
- The combat is fun, could get repetitive later on but so far I am enjoying it. Again more than Inquisitions combat which felt like a chore at times
What I don't like:
- Harding is a disappointment. She seemed way more mature and interesting in Inquisition, in this game she acts like a baby.
- the voice acting is bad apart Rook, Solas and Varric. Neve, Harding and Bellara are especially lacking in this area. The random NPC's are not good either. It feels like Andromeda, very amateur level.
- lack of choices mattering is awful and there is no excuse. Bioware had 10 years for this and just didn't give a shit about their old fans honestly. And then they still have the nerve to include fan favourites like Morrigan who for an example lacks any depth because they have to ignore all her development
- artstyle for the characters sucks. The environments look soo good but then the characters look goofy and cartoony - lack of RP and overall juvenile tone. Rook would have been on the level of Hawke if we had actual RP opportunities. The VA would have delivered some real badass/ruthless moments well. This game is desperately missing any sort of edge. It feels too PG. This game really has no reason to be rated mature
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 2, 2024 11:50:33 GMT
Yea hI'm enjoyin i ts ofa rhavin gissues wit hcontrols bu tunderstandable given I don' tus econtrollers much as I prefe rmous eand keyboard bu tstor yand graphics and general gamepla yI like it s ofar on Xbox. go tI' mpretty sure I'll fin dthing's better on PC. Are you playing a Mage? The targeting is a bit "off" with their ranged basic attacks, in my experience. I'm good at shooters with controllers, and I still throw more than a few magical bolts into empty space or at the wrong target. Maybe there's a method to it that I've yet to discover. I bet you'll feel way better with KB&M. Yea hI wa splaying a mage
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Post by colfoley on Nov 2, 2024 12:19:44 GMT
Bit farther in and while I am still waiting for that hook think this game so far is really hitting a lot of the right DA notes of DA goodness. Quitessential Dragon Age at times and again a lot of where I thought they were going to take the story they have done so. Bit story and dialogue seem very on point and very in keeping with the other three games.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 2, 2024 14:55:58 GMT
I’m still on Act 1 but the game is incredible! Quality banter, engaging combat, and the most beautiful environments BioWare has ever made. It definitely made the 10 year wait worth it. Let’s just hope the next game doesn’t take another 10 years lol. I’ll elaborate more when I get further into the game!
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 2, 2024 15:17:30 GMT
Bioware had 10 years for this This is something i don't understand. Development of DATV started 2017 or 2018 and Epler said he got on board 2019, so 5-6 years not 10 years minus corona difficulty and live service cut out.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 2, 2024 15:22:38 GMT
What i like is that it feels like home. It is Thedas. The story and Lore i know for 15 years. I hope that will stay along the way.
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Post by journey95 on Nov 2, 2024 15:29:21 GMT
Bioware had 10 years for this This is something i don't understand. Development of DATV started 2017 or 2018 and Epler said he got on board 2019, so 5-6 years not 10 years minus corona difficulty and live service cut out. Well they had 10 years but wasted most on restarting development twice. What we got now was obviously just thrown together in the past 2-3 years and it really shows.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 2, 2024 16:02:02 GMT
This is something i don't understand. Development of DATV started 2017 or 2018 and Epler said he got on board 2019, so 5-6 years not 10 years minus corona difficulty and live service cut out. Well they had 10 years but wasted most on restarting development twice. What we got now was obviously just thrown together in the past 2-3 years and it really shows. Thank EA and Corona for this.
Edit: I would like to know what joplin would be like, if we had got it 2019.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 2, 2024 16:05:09 GMT
Well they had 10 years but wasted most on restarting development twice. What we got now was obviously just thrown together in the past 2-3 years and it really shows. Thank EA and Corona for this.
Edit: I would like to know what joplin would be like, if we had got it 2019.
They made an excellent game though.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 2, 2024 16:12:11 GMT
Well they had 10 years but wasted most on restarting development twice. What we got now was obviously just thrown together in the past 2-3 years and it really shows. Thank EA and Corona for this.
Edit: I would like to know what joplin would be like, if we had got it 2019.
Stupid EA never understood this franchise. I wonder how much damage is directly their fault, I'm sure a lot.
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Post by biggydx on Nov 2, 2024 16:14:08 GMT
Thank EA and Corona for this.
Edit: I would like to know what joplin would be like, if we had got it 2019.
Stupid EA never understood this franchise. I wonder how much damage is directly their fault, I'm sure a lot. Presumably, the shift to Frostbite was heavily pushed by EA (though some would claim subtly). I don't think it's one side or the other, and at the end of the day, the design decisions BioWare makes will ultimately be their own. DA2 was definitely criticized for it's more repetitive elements and odd enemy placement, but it was still considered to be a fairly tight story all things considered.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 2, 2024 16:24:31 GMT
Stupid EA never understood this franchise. I wonder how much damage is directly their fault, I'm sure a lot. Presumably, the shift to Frostbite was heavily pushed by EA (though some would claim subtly). I don't think it's one side or the other, and at the end of the day, the design decisions BioWare makes will ultimately be their own. DA2 was definitely criticized for it's more repetitive elements and odd enemy placement, but it was still considered to be a fairly tight story all things considered. DA2 is also the fault of EA but on that case I think Bioware made it work. As for frostbite, I know that was a problem... But I'm talking about later on when Veilguard was a live service game. I'm not 100% sure it was a 100% decision because I heard Bioware wanted to make a multiplayer game but I'm sure EA had a big part in it
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Post by Gwydden on Nov 2, 2024 16:45:56 GMT
Which brings me to the characters and character writing. This is abysmally awful. Most companions don't have an ounce of passion, and I haven't met a single one with even the hint of an edge. All we get is bland matter-of-factness. At times it seems the writers thought characters exist for infodumping and to remind the player of things like there is a door in the wall of the room. Repeatedly. It also screams "safety" in every direction, as if the writers were walking on eggshells afraid of writing something that someone else doesn't like. Which I suspect is somewhat close to the truth. There's a trend of cozy fiction that's pretty popular in SF books nowadays. I don't mind it in principle, but the couple books I've read along those lines ( A Psalm for the Wild Built and The Bone Harp) struck me as twee and saccharine. I wonder if that's what the writers were going for.
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Post by fistoffiori on Nov 2, 2024 18:04:00 GMT
I'm 4 out of 5 at the moment. Maybe a high 3?
After, say, 2 hours... I had concerns. I didn't hate it, in fact I did like it, but it didn't hugely grab me. The banter was scarce and dialogue was really expositional and for want of a better word, sanitised(?). But after that I recruited Bellara and then got to Neve's personal quest starting (well, more the Shadow Dragons faction quest maybe), and the writing felt like it kicked in more.
I got to Lucanis and his recruitment quest I really enjoyed. His and Harding's 'party banter' is great so far and gives some great character stuff - it's at that point (I guess it was about 5 hours in? Maybe a bit less actually) that it started feeling more like the Dragon Age I know. I'm onto Bellara's personal quest and the writing for it is mostly great (the argument between her and a fellow Veil Jumper at the start of it was juvenile lol).
I'm 8 and a half hours in and still haven't even met Davrin, Taash and Emmrich yet.
What I will say, is the start of Inquisition was almost the same for me - great intro then the following hours sagged a bit (until 'In Hushed Whispers' really). It became a game I love, and I'm at the stage of Veilguard where it has been getting better and better.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Nov 2, 2024 18:05:53 GMT
I definitely feel like I'm playing a Dragon Age game and that's enough for me 🥰
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Post by phoray on Nov 2, 2024 18:35:14 GMT
Currently a 3 but still early in Act I. The start of the game was ruined with Bioware's release of that content beforehand so that scene didn't grab me. So I've felt like it began meh and now I'm in the slump of companion recruitment fistoffiori mentioned. I am frequently bothered by the lack of common sense that goes into the puzzles which mostly boil down to "how do I get through the door?" That is not a puzzle worth solving, nor an optional one, and feels like a way to pad the game time. The restrictions to role play what is ultimately a fixed protaganist in everything but appearance are really disappointing and I had to restart the game because the barebones lore accurate character I created wasn't allowed. I don't want to learn fighting but I also don't want it to be a joke fight either on story mode but that is not realy allowed. Get Gud or turn to story mode. I forget I'm playing a Dragon Age Game often. The only time I feel like it's Dragon Age is when I'm annoying Solas in the Fade. The Cameos are bad and they have dragged so much from books and comics with no in game explanation for someone who hasn't read those things. And I feel like if I compared an image of the mass effect monsters to the Darkspawn they'd just be colorization differences. Good things: - Gorgeous environment appearance.
- Environment noises like the footsteps of the party members are nice.
- No inventory management.
- Two cute easter eggs so far. (a subtle elfroot joke and an item name)
- If you want reactive fighting, it's there and seems solid.
- I like how they used the camera to make us see the pretty thing and to introduce a village/city. They did that in Origins and finally brought it back.
- no bugs on PS5! The extra year of debugging paid off in this department.
- Can change difficulty anytime.
- Named saves
- Easy to use photomode
I'd have to review my notes to find the rest of the things I liked.
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Post by Garo on Nov 2, 2024 18:42:39 GMT
Around 20 hours, I'd say it gets better and better. I'm constantly blown away by environments and I'm happy to say they are not only pretty but also have some nice surprises.
Game started out very limiting in every way but it seems that everything opens up; from locations to dialogue options.
I hope it keeps going in this direction.
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Post by jennica on Nov 2, 2024 20:55:25 GMT
I'm onto Bellara's personal quest and the writing for it is mostly great (the argument between her and a fellow Veil Jumper at the start of it was juvenile lol). I think the argument itself was fine, but Bellara's pose when she got a little angry at Veil Jumper lady looked like it was straight out of anime.
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Post by fistoffiori on Nov 2, 2024 21:29:18 GMT
I'm onto Bellara's personal quest and the writing for it is mostly great (the argument between her and a fellow Veil Jumper at the start of it was juvenile lol). I think the argument itself was fine, but Bellara's pose when she got a little angry at Veil Jumper lady looked like it was straight out of anime.
It was the angry scrunchy face that did for me - it did make me giggle haha. That said, I think the whole argument got contextualised well later (and why the other veil jumper wanted to drop it and de-escalate)... Having that conversation with her after powering up the devices where she talks about her brother's death - I realised that she got angry, even panicky, when the other veil jumper thought they didn't need to check, given those particular devices were always fine. And stress/burnout I guess, she's taking it upon herself to do everything. I suddenly realised that this perky and sometimes hyper gal is actually a PTSD sufferer in survival mode!
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Nov 2, 2024 21:31:38 GMT
Im technically 16 hours in but I am extremely slow cus I’ve only recruited up to Lucanis at this point. (Im actually in the last third of that mission, atm).
The bad: I’ve had a weird bug that sometimes resets my rooks appearance to the default of her cc preset when I load a save. So I’ve had to spend a few minutes when I’ve died switching between all the saves till it fixes itself and then pray it stays fixed when I load the correct save. It’s frustrating and it’s getting in the way of me save scumming dialogue options (bad(?) habit) and it’s annoying.
The excellent: The world design makes this a 5/5 so far on its own. I have never seen a game that so clearly executed its concept art! The vistas in this game are amazing so far. The urban environments are SO good! No summer bazaar here! And all the nooks and crannies in the maps? The unlockable areas, the heavy thud when you open the big chests. It’s so GoW and I love it.
I’m saying 4/5 cus I want to wait to see how the story and lore reveals play out— especially Harding’s story (especially since I’m a dwarf)— but I LOVE this game so far.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 2, 2024 21:37:33 GMT
I think the argument itself was fine, but Bellara's pose when she got a little angry at Veil Jumper lady looked like it was straight out of anime.
It was the angry scrunchy face that did for me - it did make me giggle haha. That said, I think the whole argument got contextualised well later (and why the other veil jumper wanted to drop it and de-escalate)... Having that conversation with her after powering up the devices where she talks about her brother's death - I realised that she got angry, even panicky, when the other veil jumper thought they didn't need to check, given those particular devices were always fine. And stress/burnout I guess, she's taking it upon herself to do everything. I suddenly realised that this perky and sometimes hyper gal is actually a PTSD sufferer in survival mode! I think it was a pretty good scene actually. Didn't expect it
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