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Post by fylimar on Dec 4, 2024 21:40:18 GMT
This might be a hot take, but I think Kirkwall is by far the best city, they made in a DA game. I think the dark atmosphere is great, there are only ugly parts in Kirkwall, it was a Tevinter mining/ slave trading city after all. I like that the city is dangerous, because of the corruption by the blood magic rituals and murders back in the day. I think what I missed from Kirkwall was a broader definition of who they are and what they identify as. Since the 2nd game took me into a new part of Thedas I was unfamiliar with, I wanted to learn more about the Free Marches culture. Initially, this was a formal Tevinter territory filled with native barbarian tribes and sea raiders. Yet, this was very very much far back in the past. Since then, they've endured the war Tevinter vs Andraste, the Fourth Blight, they were conquered by the Qunari, also conquered by Orlais and not to mention the Chantry. Plus the constant war and paranoia of each city state vs one another. The Templar Order stationed at Kirkwall was merely a military power holding it, but they aren't native to the Free Marches. In fact, something we aren't really told, wasn't there a recent attempt by Kirkwall to overthrow the Templar Order, and Meredith was the one who suppressed that rebellion? Which faction pushed that rebellion? (I imagine it's the one that identified itself as 'native' to Kirkwall and desired independence of all these military conquerors). Which values did they carry? What exactly did they want? All Maredith is paranoid about are mages mages mages ... uh what about those guys that wanted to overthrow your power? They aren't even mentioned (unless those were mages but not like I've been told much). All this complaining about those pesky, dirty, hungry Fereldens invading their land and threatening their identity... yet I always lacked the definition of Who ARE you? Aside from Free Marches being a mixed bunch paranoid of outsiders, I didn't get much. This could have been explored more in both side quests, as well as the maps and settings. We get a full glimpse of what the Qunari want, what the Chantry wants, what the trader guilds want, what the mages want, but what is it that Free March people themselves want? Why did a family, as powerful as the Hawkes, choose it as their stronghold? What inherent values do Free Marches represent? Or are they simply a bunch of nobodies getting constantly reshaped and torn apart by the powerful of the world? Perhaps, that's why the Arishok is driven crazy by Kirkwall. The Qun has a highly orderly, unified identity and self-definition. Looking at Kirkwall, I couldn't fathom what goals they are working towards and what is it they want in their future. You ask joe average from Free Marches what they want, they're like uh... more food, fewer cockroaches and Ferelden riff raff. Not that they have any clue in which direction to go to achieve that. Yet, when Alistair comes in person to get those refugees off their hands, he isn't given the light of day. Who does Meredith think she is, talking to the King of Ferelden like that. I see an assembly of self-serving factions and their interests, but the essence of Free Marches was very much elusive and I didn't get a good enough glimpse of it. I found the Enigma of Kirkwall codexes pretty interesting in that regard. The problem with Meredith is, that people talk a lot about her, but she comes into the picture very late in the game. I actually like her as a villain, but we experience her mostly in her lyrium crazy state. I would have loved getting introduced to her and Orsino far sooner and learn more about both.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 5, 2024 10:44:15 GMT
I don't think, that I ever encountered anything a horrible as the Broodmother sequence and the leadup to it in a non horror game This was a expansion and not in the main game. But yes the broodmother was for me as much horror as a village in DATV, where i scip the cutscene. DAO was always like Fire emblem the horror was their, but not really shown. (only exception: DAOA, DA2 and now DATV) And i think you can tell that i don't like horror.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 5, 2024 12:26:25 GMT
I don't think, that I ever encountered anything a horrible as the Broodmother sequence and the leadup to it in a non horror game This was a expansion and not in the main game. But yes the broodmother was for me as much horror as a village in DATV, where i scip the cutscene. DAO was always like Fire emblem the horror was their, but not really shown. (only exception: DAOA, DA2 and now DATV) And i think you can tell that i don't like horror. You really don't know DAO well, do you? That would explain, why you don't find stuff in DAO horrifying, if you don't even remember this very impactful scene. We find out whta happens with women, who get taken alive by the Darkspawn, we find out, what monster Branka has become and that creepy poem builds up to the encounter and makes one dread every next step. The Broodmother was in DAO, in the Orzammar questline - Branka sacrificed her people to her in search of the anvil.
DAA had a Broodmother too, yes, but that scene wasn't nearly as horrifying as DAO.
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Post by adonniel on Dec 5, 2024 15:26:13 GMT
We find out whta happens with women, who get taken alive by the Darkspawn, we find out, what monster Branka has become and that creepy poem builds up to the encounter and makes one dread every next step. On the first day... shudder... and you get day by day description the further you descend into stone and darkness. It was chosen to be voiced too, although a big portion of DAO is written out without the speech component. This quest line is chilling to the bone. Now that's how you tell a powerful story and build up a convincing villain, rather than drawing big arrows around some guy with flashing lights that say EVIL and giving them a moustache to twirl. I found the Enigma of Kirkwall codexes pretty interesting in that regard. It would have been good to get action too to experience it. For example, when we get a quest about dealing with average joe concerns, we get a group from Ferelden at the mines. It does make sense for Hawke to mediate, but it's not about Joe the Free Marches worker and it pretty much just confirms what I know about Ferelden citizens, mainly that my favourite nation in Thedas is awesome, but I was more curious about the other faction.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 5, 2024 18:21:38 GMT
I will say one thing for Veilguard: We are given the option to let Traash die in the end. The devs are the MVPs for that.
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Post by phoray on Dec 5, 2024 18:32:28 GMT
I will say one thing for Veilguard: We are given the option to let Traash die in the end. The devs are the MVPs for that. I guess if they wouldn't let us choose about conscripting them the least they could do is let us kill them.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 5, 2024 20:46:43 GMT
I will say one thing for Veilguard: We are given the option to let Traash die in the end. The devs are the MVPs for that. I guess if they wouldn't let us choose about conscripting them the least they could do is let us kill them. With metaknowledge, you may even choose how she's going to meet the Maker.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 5, 2024 20:57:23 GMT
You were able to make a pretty nifty looking qunari dude in the end.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 5, 2024 22:45:06 GMT
The only thing that I liked was that I trusted my gut feeling and watched a play through of Failguard before buying it.
Hate everything about it otherwise.
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Post by rekkampum on Dec 6, 2024 4:45:03 GMT
Lovers: Tell me something you hated about it. Even if it's small, rant about it as much as you like. Haters: Tell me one thing (or more if you feel so inclined) that you liked about the Veilguard. Not allowed to be sarcastic My idea for this thread is to find common ground. At the end of the day, we are all on this board because we're fans of Dragon Age. It seems to be a 50/50 on this game but it's 100% true we're only here on an obscure forum because we're fans. I can't stop you from posting in bad faith but I hope you don't? I don't hate the game. It's Dragon Age at its absolute safest in design philosophy. That will be its defining identity. I actually think I like Andromeda - which I didn't hate but still thought was underwhelming - more than this game.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 6, 2024 8:58:28 GMT
This was a expansion and not in the main game. But yes the broodmother was for me as much horror as a village in DATV, where i scip the cutscene. DAO was always like Fire emblem the horror was their, but not really shown. (only exception: DAOA, DA2 and now DATV) And i think you can tell that i don't like horror. You really don't know DAO well, do you? That would explain, why you don't find stuff in DAO horrifying, if you don't even remember this very impactful scene. We find out whta happens with women, who get taken alive by the Darkspawn, we find out, what monster Branka has become and that creepy poem builds up to the encounter and makes one dread every next step. The Broodmother was in DAO, in the Orzammar questline - Branka sacrificed her people to her in search of the anvil.
DAA had a Broodmother too, yes, but that scene wasn't nearly as horrifying as DAO.
Maybe because i am good in forgetting things like that or maybe because Orzammar was so hard (gameplay wise) that i have a hard time in that questline. I never finished DAO.
In my brain DAO is like DAI only more brown and grim. Maybe you can say i don't know DAO that well or i only know what i want to know.
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Post by VARMAELEN on Dec 6, 2024 9:04:43 GMT
You should definitely finish DAO, reduce the difficulty. Look up build video.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 6, 2024 9:14:21 GMT
You should definitely finish DAO, reduce the difficulty. Look up build video. I have played DAO on lowest difficulty and i always go from easy to difficult terrain. So Orzamma last. I have played the beginning so oft i stop counting. Maybe i should buy it for PC and play it with mods. The tower is so annoying.
I have watched videos about using the tactic system, but haven't tried it after that. At the moment i watch Let's playes of it, because Pathfinder WotR took up all my gaming time.
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Post by VARMAELEN on Dec 6, 2024 9:45:09 GMT
You should definitely finish DAO, reduce the difficulty. Look up build video. I have played DAO on lowest difficulty and i always go from easy to difficult terrain. So Orzamma last. I have played the beginning so oft i stop counting. Maybe i should buy it for PC and play it with mods. The tower is so annoying.
I have watched videos about using the tactic system, but haven't tried it after that. At the moment i watch Let's playes of it, because Pathfinder WotR took up all my gaming time.
If you can finish WOTR, you can finish DAO. WOTR is way more obtuse lmao.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 6, 2024 10:17:21 GMT
You really don't know DAO well, do you? That would explain, why you don't find stuff in DAO horrifying, if you don't even remember this very impactful scene. We find out whta happens with women, who get taken alive by the Darkspawn, we find out, what monster Branka has become and that creepy poem builds up to the encounter and makes one dread every next step. The Broodmother was in DAO, in the Orzammar questline - Branka sacrificed her people to her in search of the anvil.
DAA had a Broodmother too, yes, but that scene wasn't nearly as horrifying as DAO.
Maybe because i am good in forgetting things like that or maybe because Orzammar was so hard (gameplay wise) that i have a hard time in that questline. I never finished DAO.
In my brain DAO is like DAI only more brown and grim. Maybe you can say i don't know DAO that well or i only know what i want to know.
But then it doesn't make sense that you say, the game has non horrific elements. Search in YouTube for DAO and Broodmother, and also for the Return to Ostagar DLC, it shows some horrific aftermaths, bonus, if the player has Loghain and Wynne with them. Also watch the Dalish origin ( preferably female character) and the castless dwarf. There is a lot more, the whole Redcliff questline including the Sacred Ashes quest, the Dalish/ werewolf questline - they all are really dark and most of them have horror elements.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 6, 2024 10:39:17 GMT
I am in no way a hater and do not wish for the game or BioWare to fail. I'm merely a non-enjoyer.
Most importantly I love that it entertained my wife well enough for her to plan another play through to try out some alternative decisions.
Also props for technical stability and that it somehow runs well on my more than 8 years old archeotech machine. Native Steam version for the win I guess - thumbs up.
Pretty nice looking character generator not ruined by weird lighting.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 6, 2024 11:12:35 GMT
I have played DAO on lowest difficulty and i always go from easy to difficult terrain. So Orzamma last. I have played the beginning so oft i stop counting. Maybe i should buy it for PC and play it with mods. The tower is so annoying.
I have watched videos about using the tactic system, but haven't tried it after that. At the moment i watch Let's playes of it, because Pathfinder WotR took up all my gaming time.
If you can finish WOTR, you can finish DAO. WOTR is way more obtuse lmao. I haven't finish WotR yet. But i have finished DAI.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 6, 2024 11:20:39 GMT
Maybe because i am good in forgetting things like that or maybe because Orzammar was so hard (gameplay wise) that i have a hard time in that questline. I never finished DAO.
In my brain DAO is like DAI only more brown and grim. Maybe you can say i don't know DAO that well or i only know what i want to know.
But then it doesn't make sense that you say, the game has non horrific elements. Search in YouTube for DAO and Broodmother, and also for the Return to Ostagar DLC, it shows some horrific aftermaths, bonus, if the player has Loghain and Wynne with them. Also watch the Dalish origin ( preferably female character) and the castless dwarf. There is a lot more, the whole Redcliff questline including the Sacred Ashes quest, the Dalish/ werewolf questline - they all are really dark and most of them have horror elements. I have played the dalish origin (not sure as the gender i played as) and it was dark but not horror. Totally okay The same goes for the castless dwarf (i played all origin), the redcliff questline and the Sacred ashes quest. The cinematic i scip with the veil jumper was much worse than that. I have said it before, maybe it is because i don't like moving tentacles especially on the neck. I will look into the other scene you mentioned, even if i don't know what you mean in the Dalish/werewolf questline. But i think i will know it when i see it.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 6, 2024 12:07:32 GMT
But then it doesn't make sense that you say, the game has non horrific elements. Search in YouTube for DAO and Broodmother, and also for the Return to Ostagar DLC, it shows some horrific aftermaths, bonus, if the player has Loghain and Wynne with them. Also watch the Dalish origin ( preferably female character) and the castless dwarf. There is a lot more, the whole Redcliff questline including the Sacred Ashes quest, the Dalish/ werewolf questline - they all are really dark and most of them have horror elements. I have played the dalish origin (not sure as the gender i played as) and it was dark but not horror. Totally okay The same goes for the castless dwarf (i played all origin), the redcliff questline and the Sacred ashes quest. The cinematic i scip with the veil jumper was much worse than that. I have said it before, maybe it is because i don't like moving tentacles especially on the neck. I will look into the other scene you mentioned, even if i don't know what you mean in the Dalish/werewolf questline. But i think i will know it when i see it.
I didn't mean Dalish, I meant city elf. That is horrifying. Warning for SA and character deaths.
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Post by hookntackle on Dec 6, 2024 13:04:20 GMT
Hey guys. Acknowledging, embracing and finding common ground despite division with the whole humans behind the particular opinion; it is really such a healthy thing. I love this community. We may be sexy idiots talking about nerd stuff, but we do what is lacking in almost every discourse these days.
...also, I really needed a segway into this:
Had a fever dream of a broadway musical namend after this thread. Embroidered letterman jackets, finger-snapping dance-offs to upbeat versions of tavern songs, in front of badly made Denerim nighttime streets backdrop. It was grand.
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Post by Guardian on Dec 6, 2024 14:32:21 GMT
I am in no way a hater and do not wish for the game or BioWare to fail. I'm merely a non-enjoyer. Hey guys. Acknowledging, embracing and finding common ground despite division with the whole humans behind the particular opinion; it is really such a healthy thing. I love this community. We may be sexy idiots talking about nerd stuff, but we do what is lacking in almost every discourse these days. Both of these are exactly what I feel both extremes need to come to realize and accept - you either don't like Veilguard, and therefore are someone that wants BioWare to fail by default and a hater, or you enjoyed it and are a fanboy. That's what I enjoy about this thread - you can like/dislike this game for a number of reasons, without resorting to trolling done in the other two threads. ...also, I really needed a segue into this: Had a fever dream of a Broadway musical named after this thread. Embroidered letterman jackets, finger-snapping dance-offs to upbeat versions of tavern songs, in front of badly made Denerim nighttime streets backdrop. It was grand. ....I'd watch it.... lol
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Post by theratpack55 on Dec 6, 2024 17:19:44 GMT
I'm mostly neutral and a bit bored with VG, so I'll say what I dislike/like the most:
Dislike: - bland story, bland characters with no real conflicts, basically a group with no internal strife, wet biscuit protagonist. - maybe I'm doing something wrong here, idk - bland combat. I find myself kinda dreading every upcoming combat encounter because it's mostly just spamming light/heavy attack until something gets staggered, then press button. - also, maybe it's my aging eyes, but while the combat is certainly flashy, meaning lots of colors and lights, I can't really discern between the effects of different abilities and combos? Something happens, but they all look the same to me.
Like: - it's pretty and runs smoothly, loads very fast. - having an older man as a LI adds a bit of spice to the lacklustre romance. - aaand... that's it, I guess? For now at least, I'm still in act 2.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 6, 2024 22:26:05 GMT
We find out whta happens with women, who get taken alive by the Darkspawn, we find out, what monster Branka has become and that creepy poem builds up to the encounter and makes one dread every next step. On the first day... shudder... and you get day by day description the further you descend into stone and darkness. It was chosen to be voiced too, although a big portion of DAO is written out without the speech component. This quest line is chilling to the bone.Now that's how you tell a powerful story and build up a convincing villain, rather than drawing big arrows around some guy with flashing lights that say EVIL and giving them a moustache to twirl. I found the Enigma of Kirkwall codexes pretty interesting in that regard. It would have been good to get action too to experience it. For example, when we get a quest about dealing with average joe concerns, we get a group from Ferelden at the mines. It does make sense for Hawke to mediate, but it's not about Joe the Free Marches worker and it pretty much just confirms what I know about Ferelden citizens, mainly that my favourite nation in Thedas is awesome, but I was more curious about the other faction. Yea hit's on eo fthe creepies tthings I've seen in an ygame Rihgt up wi thsom eo fth ecreepy moment syou might get in something like a Silren tHill o rResiden tEvil game. I'm no tceeped o t easil ybu ttha teven manage st oput m eon edge each time I pla yit.
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Post by rekkampum on Dec 10, 2024 5:09:19 GMT
This was a expansion and not in the main game. But yes the broodmother was for me as much horror as a village in DATV, where i scip the cutscene. DAO was always like Fire emblem the horror was their, but not really shown. (only exception: DAOA, DA2 and now DATV) And i think you can tell that i don't like horror. You really don't know DAO well, do you? That would explain, why you don't find stuff in DAO horrifying, if you don't even remember this very impactful scene. We find out whta happens with women, who get taken alive by the Darkspawn, we find out, what monster Branka has become and that creepy poem builds up to the encounter and makes one dread every next step. The Broodmother was in DAO, in the Orzammar questline - Branka sacrificed her people to her in search of the anvil.
DAA had a Broodmother too, yes, but that scene wasn't nearly as horrifying as DAO.
“That's why they hate us... that's why they need us. That's why they take us.... that's why they feed us. But the true abomination... is not that it occurred, but that it was allowed.”
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Post by river82 on Dec 10, 2024 6:18:54 GMT
I'm mostly neutral and a bit bored with VG, so I'll say what I dislike/like the most: Dislike: - bland story, bland characters with no real conflicts, basically a group with no internal strife, wet biscuit protagonist. - maybe I'm doing something wrong here, idk - bland combat. I find myself kinda dreading every upcoming combat encounter because it's mostly just spamming light/heavy attack until something gets staggered, then press button. - also, maybe it's my aging eyes, but while the combat is certainly flashy, meaning lots of colors and lights, I can't really discern between the effects of different abilities and combos? Something happens, but they all look the same to me. Like: - it's pretty and runs smoothly, loads very fast. - having an older man as a LI adds a bit of spice to the lacklustre romance. - aaand... that's it, I guess? For now at least, I'm still in act 2. No it's not your eyes, Veilguard has a fair amount of visual clutter.
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