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Post by Arcian on Nov 7, 2016 21:35:20 GMT
Looks like BioWare also forgot that sensor technology is limited to light speed.
That means they would have to wait 5 million years to detect planets in Andromeda, it being 2.5 million years away (EDIT: Using RADAR/LADAR tech, which is what the word sensor refers to in the Mass Effect trilogy).
Do you guys still want to assert that BioWare gives a fuck about the lore?
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 7, 2016 21:38:47 GMT
No, but seriously it's time to let it go. Old lore doesn't exist. Read everything as if you never played ME before, otherwise there is only nonsense and retcons.
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Post by Arcian on Nov 7, 2016 21:43:09 GMT
No, but seriously it's time to let it go. Old lore doesn't exist. Read everything as if you never played ME before, otherwise there is only nonsense and retcons. Yeah, I'm not going to do that. I fell in love with the original Mass Effect, not this abomination wearing Mass Effect's skin.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 7, 2016 21:43:35 GMT
While it is a very odd line, and caught my ears as ludicrious too, we have to remember the word sensor is an incredibly vague term. We could be talking a hubble equivalent.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 7, 2016 21:44:26 GMT
No, but seriously it's time to let it go. Old lore doesn't exist. Read everything as if you never played ME before, otherwise there is only nonsense and retcons. So why be Mass Effect then? They are getting rid of so much of what made Mass Effect Mass Effect, it would have been easier to make a new science fiction IP.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 7, 2016 21:45:50 GMT
No, but seriously it's time to let it go. Old lore doesn't exist. Read everything as if you never played ME before, otherwise there is only nonsense and retcons. So why be Mass Effect then? They are getting rid of so much of what made Mass Effect Mass Effect, it would have been easier to make a new science fiction IP. Because that would be harder and riskier.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 7, 2016 21:46:26 GMT
No, but seriously it's time to let it go. Old lore doesn't exist. Read everything as if you never played ME before, otherwise there is only nonsense and retcons. Yeah, I'm not going to do that. I fell in love with the original Mass Effect, not this abomination wearing Mass Effect's skin. Then don't. But what do you want to prove now? You know the answer on it yourself. The name itself worths millions.
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Post by sageoflife on Nov 7, 2016 21:47:45 GMT
Five million years isn't a very long time in astronomical terms.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 7, 2016 21:47:51 GMT
The AI destroy and rolls over ME's lore like nothing before. It's clear they don't give a flying fuck to story consistency. They just imagined the easiest way possible to leave the Milk Way and said, "ok, that's it".
Now, in a way, that's not a problem. Andromeda is really a reboot, but it's sad to see how little respect they have for the trilogy.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 7, 2016 21:51:31 GMT
Besides if the lore is a little wonky who cares. As long as its in service of a good story/ good character arcs. I mean don't get me wrong I appreciate good stories, tight writing, and consistant lore as much as the next guy but name one universe that is truly perfect in this regard. I doubt you can. I can't. One of the most classic examples is talking about 'the gates connecting to multiple galaxies' in Stargate the movie and SG-1 and not two episodes later it was revealed that the gate could only connect to the Milky Way. Or heck all those references in Inquisition to the breach still being open even though you closed the damn thing several hours of gameplay ago. I just brush it aside and move on, as long as the rest of the story is good.
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Post by Cyonan on Nov 7, 2016 21:53:07 GMT
These are special long range sensors that use space magic.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 7, 2016 21:53:12 GMT
Looks like BioWare also forgot that sensor technology is limited to light speed. That means they would have to wait 5 million years to detect planets in Andromeda, it being 2.5 million years away. Do you guys still want to assert that BioWare gives a fuck about the lore? Lore, elementary school science, common sense...
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Post by armass81 on Nov 7, 2016 21:53:20 GMT
Looks like BioWare also forgot that sensor technology is limited to light speed. That means they would have to wait 5 million years to detect planets in Andromeda, it being 2.5 million years away. Do you guys still want to assert that BioWare gives a fuck about the lore? Hey we have stuff like quantum entaglement communicators too(which would pretyy much be mandatory on a missions suchs as these), but I bet you a million credits we dont have one on the arks or the nexus, or somehow they all get "destroyed. Because we cant talk with Milky way cause of the endings, now, can we? Just pretend it makes sense, even if it doesnt. Just pretend... Just... goddammit, why did they have to fuck this up so bad.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 7, 2016 21:54:56 GMT
I know I am going on on this but what I find a little amusing about this whole long range sensor spiel is why didn't we detect/ see the Reapers in Dark Space if we could pick up planets in another freaking galaxy.
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Post by Arcian on Nov 7, 2016 21:55:39 GMT
Five million years isn't a very long time in astronomical terms. No, but it is for humans. I know I am going on on this but what I find a little amusing about this whole long range sensor spiel is why didn't we detect/ see the Reapers in Dark Space if we could pick up planets in another freaking galaxy. And there it is.
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Post by armass81 on Nov 7, 2016 21:58:50 GMT
I know I am going on on this but what I find a little amusing about this whole long range sensor spiel is why didn't we detect/ see the Reapers in Dark Space if we could pick up planets in another freaking galaxy. Or they never had any sensors and the whole trip is pretty much a shoot in the dark, theory ride. Makes more sense that what they wrote. This doesnt bode good for the codex of MEA. I just love to see their technical specs for the arks, on how they work.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 7, 2016 22:02:01 GMT
I know I am going on on this but what I find a little amusing about this whole long range sensor spiel is why didn't we detect/ see the Reapers in Dark Space if we could pick up planets in another freaking galaxy. Or they never had any sensros and the whole trip is pretty much a shoot in the dark, theory ride. Makes more sense. Oh that's good. They are intentionally lying to the people who join the AI to get them to join the AI when they do not have any ability to know what is over there. I suspect whatever intelligence/ information on Andromeda could be wrong anyways given that over in the Game Informer thread they mentioned that you go to a planet as a possible habitat sight and then discover that it is actually a hostile pile of dren. Gives a little more credence that we are not talking subspace super sensors ala Star Trek/ Gate but something more along the lines of hubble.
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Post by Kantr on Nov 7, 2016 22:03:18 GMT
They could have sent probes out, however I don't think current telescopes can see individual stars let alone exo planets. Perhaps they saw it along the way?
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Post by sageoflife on Nov 7, 2016 22:04:08 GMT
Even if we're seeing the planet in question as it was five million years ago, that's still enough information to make an educated guess about its current condition and location. This is of course assuming that some new sensor wasn't invented that can get around this problem.
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Post by Cyonan on Nov 7, 2016 22:04:43 GMT
I know I am going on on this but what I find a little amusing about this whole long range sensor spiel is why didn't we detect/ see the Reapers in Dark Space if we could pick up planets in another freaking galaxy. Most likely there was no Reapers between the Milky Way and Andromeda in that section of dark space and that was the only place that the sensors scanned. The Reapers hibernate in dark space between cycles, but they aren't so numerous that they actually can fully surround the Milky Way. They're just hiding out in a small section of space.
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Post by sageoflife on Nov 7, 2016 22:13:07 GMT
As for why they can "see" this planet but not the Reapers, I see two explanation.
Given the distances involved, we're most likely not seeing this planet directly, rather, we are observing how it affects the parent star. That's how we find most extrasolar planets now. The Reapers may be big, but I doubt they would exert that kind of influence on a star, and even if they could, I assume they're smart enough not to hang around the occasional extragalactic star.
Even if this planet is being observed directly, that is dependent on the light it reflects from the parent star. Again, the Reapers likely aren't hanging around any light sources that would allow them to be detected, and their hibernation most likely masks any other emissions.
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Post by Arcian on Nov 7, 2016 22:13:14 GMT
They could have sent probes out, however I don't think current telescopes can see individual stars let alone exo planets. Perhaps they saw it along the way? Nope, the AI director is stating this in the recruitment video, which was naturally made before they left.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 7, 2016 22:15:55 GMT
The real question is: why go settle Andromeda when we can settle the Milk Way?
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Nov 7, 2016 22:18:46 GMT
Five million years isn't a very long time in astronomical terms. In fact, I hope that's the gimmick for at least one of our encounters. In geologic time, let alone astronomical terms, 5 million years is super short. A planet looks pretty much the same... But that's long enough for intelligent life to burst onto the scene. When we're looking into space, yes, we're technically looking at the past. But some things -- like planets -- probably look about the same.
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Post by Arcian on Nov 7, 2016 22:23:56 GMT
The real question is: why go settle Andromeda when we can settle the Milk Way? BioWare: Well because Andromeda has a lot of resources... There are 300-400 billion stars in the Milky Way with an immeasurable amount of planets and asteroids. If you could stripmine an entire star system in just one day it would still take 10 billion years to deplete all galactic resources.
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