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Post by Iakus on Nov 9, 2016 15:24:32 GMT
Five million years isn't a very long time in astronomical terms. In fact, I hope that's the gimmick for at least one of our encounters. In geologic time, let alone astronomical terms, 5 million years is super short. A planet looks pretty much the same... But that's long enough for intelligent life to burst onto the scene. When we're looking into space, yes, we're technically looking at the past. But some things -- like planets -- probably look about the same. Five million years is longer than humans have been around in any recognizable form.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Nov 9, 2016 15:31:28 GMT
Five million years isn't a very long time in astronomical terms. This. Add additionally, who said the sensors have to be active? Passive sensors can work just fine. In todays world we can detect exoplanets from 1000 LY, who said in the Mass Effect era they can't detect habitable planets in Andromeda?
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Post by Gileadan on Nov 9, 2016 15:40:59 GMT
Golden world is (like a previous poster mentioned) probably a reference to the Goldilocks zone which is the zone around a star where the conditions means planets are the most likely to have liquid water (and by extension life). That would suggest they used the same method we currently have to find planets. So it refers to planets within the habitable zone but said planets could be gas giants or big rocks without an atmosphere? Could be... just looks like a shot in the dark. One you'd have to be pretty desperate to take - As for the "new home" vs "resource rich planets", these are both par of colonization. Rich people invest in colonization for a chance to make a profit, individuals joins because they think the grass is greener elsewhere. How would anyone make a profit from this operation? If the investors stay in the Milky Way, they never see anyone on that operation again. If they leave on board of an ark ship, there is no one to sell the resources to for a profit - they are required for the colonisation effort. And if they're not useful for the operation, what value do they have? If someone wanted to make a profit, they could send cryo-stasis'd people to Milky Way systems that don't have a relay. There's over 100 billion solar systems in the Milky Way, I doubt that more than a tiny fraction was mapped or explored. Then at least there would be some hope that resources are shipped back to the investor within a somewhat reasonable time frame. But I guess we have to get away from the Milky Way, and BioWare has to produce some semblance of an explanation why we went there. I don't envy them.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Nov 9, 2016 17:45:17 GMT
In fact, I hope that's the gimmick for at least one of our encounters. In geologic time, let alone astronomical terms, 5 million years is super short. A planet looks pretty much the same... But that's long enough for intelligent life to burst onto the scene. When we're looking into space, yes, we're technically looking at the past. But some things -- like planets -- probably look about the same. Five million years is longer than humans have been around in any recognizable form. Well, yeah. As I covered in my first post, it'll be interesting to see what's changed about the planets we visit -- and I hope that comes up, even if the odds of intelligence developing in any particular 5 million years are... Well, judging from Earth, quite low. I haven't had enough coffee, but assuming life's been around for 3 billion years, and it took 3 million years for human for easy fractions.... The odds are low.
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Post by azarhal on Nov 9, 2016 18:26:53 GMT
Golden world is (like a previous poster mentioned) probably a reference to the Goldilocks zone which is the zone around a star where the conditions means planets are the most likely to have liquid water (and by extension life). That would suggest they used the same method we currently have to find planets. So it refers to planets within the habitable zone but said planets could be gas giants or big rocks without an atmosphere? Could be... just looks like a shot in the dark. One you'd have to be pretty desperate to take - The way we currently discover planets allow us to: - approximate its age, mass, size and distance to its star and our Earth (also approximate the age, mass and size of the star) - approximate its orbit and rotation (aka how long is a day and year) - approximate the major elements composing it (gas, rock, atmosphere, etc) and if it might be frozen or not (the planet avg temperature). It's not quite a shot in the dark, but that 2.5 millions time difference between data analyzed and what is really in Andromeda is enough for an ice ages or other type of cataclysm to happen. Going by the previous Mass Effect games, the Moon, Noveria, Therum and Mars all have colonies so the requirement for colonization aren't Earth-like breathable atmosphere. How would anyone make a profit from this operation? The sale pitch for the project has "establish a link back to the Milky Way" and talks about "resource rich planets". What the sale pitch says and what the reality is are two different things. Just ask Christopher Columbus about that...
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Post by Arcian on Nov 9, 2016 21:34:28 GMT
Yeah, yeah, you'll be disappointed in the end just like the people who voted for Hillary Clinton. Or, you know, there's always the wild possibility that he won't. Stop projecting your own bullshit onto someone else. You're also going to be disappointed.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 9, 2016 21:36:18 GMT
Or, you know, there's always the wild possibility that he won't. Stop projecting your own bullshit onto someone else. You're also going to be disappointed. I don't get it. Do you think everyone is going to be disappointed in Andromeda?
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Post by hammerstorm on Nov 9, 2016 21:48:56 GMT
You're also going to be disappointed. I don't get it. Do you think everyone is going to be disappointed in Andromeda? He just don't have anything better to do. It is easier to shoot down anything that is positive than act as a mature.* * this is my view on all the people that can't (or don't want to) understand that there WILL be some kind of lore breaking och retconn for this game to work. May vary depending on individual level.
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Post by ravenous on Nov 9, 2016 21:59:59 GMT
I will not be disappointed in this game, I believe that this game will do good and I have faith
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Post by Tylaen on Nov 9, 2016 23:01:52 GMT
Or, you know, there's always the wild possibility that he won't. Stop projecting your own bullshit onto someone else. You're also going to be disappointed. You'll be disappointed In others disappointing, disappointment In your disappointment. Disappoint. Disappoint....disappoint.........
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Post by LFS on Nov 9, 2016 23:21:12 GMT
Or, you know, there's always the wild possibility that he won't. Stop projecting your own bullshit onto someone else. You're also going to be disappointed. Okay, great, just let me know when I'm allowed to go ahead and have my own thoughts and opinions again. And if I am disappointed, I'll be sure to follow your excellent lead and spend the rest of my life bitterly haunting forums of things I hate. Thanks for being such an awesome example.
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Post by bshep on Nov 9, 2016 23:32:12 GMT
Or, you know, there's always the wild possibility that he won't. Stop projecting your own bullshit onto someone else. You're also going to be disappointed. If you already decided that the game will be bad without any chance of redemption why are you still here? It seems to me like a very unhealty habit to have.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 9, 2016 23:44:31 GMT
... That means they would have to wait 5 million years to detect planets in Andromeda, it being 2.5 million years away. ... No it doesn't.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 10, 2016 1:12:23 GMT
This thread isn't about what I thought it was.
As I said on the old BSN, it looks like they're going to annihilate everything that came before Andromeda. Right down to stripping out species, retconning others and deleting their official online lore section.
If you didn't see some, stupid half thought out story coming you were blind. It's so bad and predictable most of us picked it out last year.
But you knew all of this already, if you don't want to buy it, don't.
Twisting around like a cut snake won't do anything but piss yourself off Arcian.
As for Trump & Clinton well, we have hospitals for people like that where I'm from.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 10, 2016 6:13:04 GMT
This thread long ago ceased contributing any positive vibes, but it did make me consider what incredible imaging we could achieve with telescopes in the Mass Effect setting.
On top of whatever advancements in telescope technology itself were made-- think lenses, software, etc... We could put one on the outer edge of the Milky Way and stare out into the night. Even better, we could build vast arrays, gathering crazy data. Maybe this is how Ai is supposed to have gathered such precise data from within the edge of Andromeda? We'll see.
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Post by jasonshepardn7 on Nov 10, 2016 14:12:38 GMT
This thread long ago ceased contributing any positive vibes, but it did make me consider what incredible imaging we could achieve with telescopes in the Mass Effect setting. On top of whatever advancements in telescope technology itself were made-- think lenses, software, etc... We could put one on the outer edge of the Milky Way and stare out into the night. Even better, we could build vast arrays, gathering crazy data. Maybe this is how Ai is supposed to have gathered such precise data from within the edge of Andromeda? We'll see. There's some pretty cool stuff you can do when you have an entire galaxy to place your telescopes within. For starters, imagine placing telescopes at East and West on a compass, and pointing them both North. Then do it with the Milky Way instead of a compass. The telescopes would then act like how our eyes work, giving us unprecedented depth perception when looking 'out' of the galaxy. The technical term for this is parallax - we already use it in astrophysics as a technique by taking pictures in the same direction every six months (ie, taking pictures of the same object, but from opposite sides of the Sun). I'm not sure what the effective range would be when using the entire galaxy, but at the very least it'd give us depth perception into Andromeda. (Andromeda is 20 times further away than our Milky Way is wide. Our own eyes are typically only 10cm apart, but they keep depth perception for considerably further than 20 times 10cm.) Now lets' take things up a notch. You mentioned vast arrays, which is exactly the right idea. This is how you get crazy resolutions. Turns out, to get a huge telescope, you don't actually need to build a huge telescope. You build smaller telescopes arranged throughout a larger area instead, and it's far more cost effective. (This is basically how SETI works, amongst many others.) An array built across the entire Milky Way galaxy - even with only relatively few telescopes making up the array, so long as they are working together - is exactly the method I'd want to use for extensively searching for planets in another galaxy. (My gut says around 10 to 20 telescopes throughout the Milky Way would probably be enough, but that's a guess and I'd want to start asking around my university before putting out any concrete answers. For example though, the Very Large Array, on Earth, uses 27 radio telescopes in an array and manages to get highly detailed readings of the Milky Way core.) The controversial real life example of a planet in Andromeda that I gave in my previous post - it was only seen due to a micro-lensing event that effectively acted as a brief magnifying glass between us and Andromeda. Hence why it is controversial and hasn't yet been confirmed - the 'magnifying glass' we used previously has moved out of position, and isn't likely to return. So we do need some upgrades in the real world to start properly seeking planets in another galaxy - but having the entire Milky Way available to people in Mass Effect's setting allows for some damn good options
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Post by ravenous on Nov 10, 2016 21:59:21 GMT
No it doesn't
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Post by Arcian on Nov 10, 2016 22:01:28 GMT
You're also going to be disappointed. I don't get it. Do you think everyone is going to be disappointed in Andromeda? To some degree, at least where the narrative is concerned. It genuinely looks like the story is going to be a lot worse than ME3's, which was decent at best. Contrary to popular belief, I don't actually think it's going to be a bad GAME, just a really bad story. As a shooter, it's probably going to be better than ME3, which was a pretty fun shooter. However, I tend to conflate the term "game" with "story" even though the story is just one aspect of the game... I do this because I've mainly played Mass Effect for the story, so when the story disappoints me, there's little else to impress me. An RPG with great gameplay and a shitty story is like a really beautiful person with an awful personality. You're also going to be disappointed. You'll be disappointed In others disappointing, disappointment In your disappointment. Disappoint.
Disappoint....disappoint.........Yo dawg, I heard you like disappointment so we made you disappointed so you can be disappointed while you're disappointed. You're also going to be disappointed. Okay, great, just let me know when I'm allowed to go ahead and have my own thoughts and opinions again. And if I am disappointed, I'll be sure to follow your excellent lead and spend the rest of my life bitterly haunting forums of things I hate. Thanks for being such an awesome example. I don't believe for a second that you're actually this upset by some random schmuck's comment on the internet. ... That means they would have to wait 5 million years to detect planets in Andromeda, it being 2.5 million years away. ... No it doesn't. Yes it does, if they use ping-style RADAR/LADAR tech. That's the assumption I made in the OP, since the Mass Effect trilogy has traditionally used the word sensor to refer exclusively to RADAR/LADAR tech. Was I right in making such an assumption? Possibly not, since using RADAR/LADAR tech to detect things in another galaxy is completely impractical due to the inverse square law. Then again, BioWare's grasp on logic has become so poor as of late that it wouldn't surprise me if they thought RADAR/LADAR tech could be used to map areas of another galaxy. Also, if BioWare meant to say telescopes, they should have said telescopes. This thread long ago ceased contributing any positive vibes, but it did make me consider what incredible imaging we could achieve with telescopes in the Mass Effect setting. On top of whatever advancements in telescope technology itself were made-- think lenses, software, etc... We could put one on the outer edge of the Milky Way and stare out into the night. Even better, we could build vast arrays, gathering crazy data. Maybe this is how Ai is supposed to have gathered such precise data from within the edge of Andromeda? We'll see. There's some pretty cool stuff you can do when you have an entire galaxy to place your telescopes within. For starters, imagine placing telescopes at East and West on a compass, and pointing them both North. Then do it with the Milky Way instead of a compass. The telescopes would then act like how our eyes work, giving us unprecedented depth perception when looking 'out' of the galaxy. The technical term for this is parallax - we already use it in astrophysics as a technique by taking pictures in the same direction every six months (ie, taking pictures of the same object, but from opposite sides of the Sun). I'm not sure what the effective range would be when using the entire galaxy, but at the very least it'd give us depth perception into Andromeda. (Andromeda is 20 times further away than our Milky Way is wide. Our own eyes are typically only 10cm apart, but they keep depth perception for considerably further than 20 times 10cm.) Now lets' take things up a notch. You mentioned vast arrays, which is exactly the right idea. This is how you get crazy resolutions. Turns out, to get a huge telescope, you don't actually need to build a huge telescope. You build smaller telescopes arranged throughout a larger area instead, and it's far more cost effective. (This is basically how SETI works, amongst many others.) An array built across the entire Milky Way galaxy - even with only relatively few telescopes making up the array, so long as they are working together - is exactly the method I'd want to use for extensively searching for planets in another galaxy. (My gut says around 10 to 20 telescopes throughout the Milky Way would probably be enough, but that's a guess and I'd want to start asking around my university before putting out any concrete answers. For example though, the Very Large Array, on Earth, uses 27 radio telescopes in an array and manages to get highly detailed readings of the Milky Way core.) The controversial real life example of a planet in Andromeda that I gave in my previous post - it was only seen due to a micro-lensing event that effectively acted as a brief magnifying glass between us and Andromeda. Hence why it is controversial and hasn't yet been confirmed - the 'magnifying glass' we used previously has moved out of position, and isn't likely to return. So we do need some upgrades in the real world to start properly seeking planets in another galaxy - but having the entire Milky Way available to people in Mass Effect's setting allows for some damn good options I like how there's more logical effort put into this post than the entirety of ME:A's marketing so far.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Nov 12, 2016 18:42:18 GMT
The real question is: why go settle Andromeda when we can settle the Milk Way? BioWare: Well because Andromeda has a lot of resources... There are 300-400 billion stars in the Milky Way with an immeasurable amount of planets and asteroids. If you could stripmine an entire star system in just one day it would still take 10 billion years to deplete all galactic resources. Well, it makes some sense as a mission of pure discovery. You could also ask why we went to the Moon when we could have spent the same resources on exploring Antarctica, or untouched areas of Alaska, or whatever. What I'm wondering about, based on that initial briefing video, are a couple of things: 1) Where did this project get its personnel and funding? It seems, based on ME3, that at least some of the civilian governments and their militaries were quietly taking stock of the potential Reaper threat even if they weren't acknowledging it in public, so investing in this huge of a project on top of their usual business of keeping society running and preparing for a possible galactic war seems like a severe case of misplaced priorities. (At least, assuming that this is in fact unrelated to the Reaper threat.) 2) Since when do Mass Effect's Milky Way species have the technology to scan other *galaxies*, and to do it in a way that somehow gives you anything close to real-time results? Even if we're going to assume that they are capable of obtaining vastly superior resolution and detail compared to what we have today, you'd be obtaining a very high-resolution and detailed picture of what the Helius cluster looked like 2.5 million years ago. Maybe I'm misreading the level of technology in the Shepard trilogy, but to me this seems like claiming that 15th-century Europeans could have built a SETI array. I had assumed, when I first heard about the game taking place in Andromeda, that the crew would be going there not knowing much about where they'd be arriving, other than that they were supposed to look for solar systems with habitable planets, and that the Reaper invasion would be the reason for launching the mission. Seems like BW is way over-complicating the premise, when going to Andromeda without a clear idea of what would be discovered there could have easily been justified based on what we already knew.
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Post by ravenous on Nov 12, 2016 19:45:11 GMT
I looked this up and according to science, Andromeda Galaxy is 2.5 million years from Milkyway galaxy and will take light to reach from Andromeda Galaxy to Milkyway galaxy 2.5 million years This in spite of the fact that light beams travel 186,000 miles a second.
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Post by KirkyX on Nov 12, 2016 19:56:36 GMT
2) Since when do Mass Effect's Milky Way species have the technology to scan other *galaxies*, and to do it in a way that somehow gives you anything close to real-time results? Even if we're going to assume that they are capable of obtaining vastly superior resolution and detail compared to what we have today, you'd be obtaining a very high-resolution and detailed picture of what the Helius cluster looked like 2.5 million years ago. Maybe I'm misreading the level of technology in the Shepard trilogy, but to me this seems like claiming that 15th-century Europeans could have built a SETI array. I had assumed, when I first heard about the game taking place in Andromeda, that the crew would be going there not knowing much about where they'd be arriving, other than that they were supposed to look for solar systems with habitable planets, and that the Reaper invasion would be the reason for launching the mission. Seems like BW is way over-complicating the premise, when going to Andromeda without a clear idea of what would be discovered there could have easily been justified based on what we already knew. I mean, the impression I've gotten so far is that the Initiative do not, in fact, have an incredibly clear picture of what they're going to find in Andromeda, precisely because all the information they could possibly gather is a little over two million years out of date. Now, that two million year-old data is enough for them to have a rough idea of where the habitable planets are - as was established earlier in the thread, two million years isn't a particularly long time in astronomical terms, so any planets that were habitable then are probably still habitable now - but that's pretty much it. So, they can point themselves in the right direction, but they've no way of knowing exactly what they'll find when they get there--which is why they need the Pathfinders. To draw from the various interviews and such: they didn't want to make the premise of the game all about fleeing the Reaper Invasion because they wanted the people on the Arks to have more diverse motivations for going on the trip--from escaping their own problems back home, to the drive to explore a new frontier, and everything in-between. Personally, I'm very much on-board with that idea, since I think it'll make for a more interesting story - and certainly more interesting characters - overall.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 12, 2016 20:00:21 GMT
I looked this up and according to science, Andromeda Galaxy is 2.5 million years from Milkyway galaxy and will take light to reach from Andromeda Galaxy to Milkyway galaxy 2.5 million years This in spite of the fact that light beams travel 186,000 miles a second. However, it will take us "only" 600 years to get there. Maybe it's FTL stuff? Could it be *gasp* there is FTL detection / ranging / observation?!
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Post by ravenous on Nov 12, 2016 20:12:32 GMT
I looked this up and according to science, Andromeda Galaxy is 2.5 million years from Milkyway galaxy and will take light to reach from Andromeda Galaxy to Milkyway galaxy 2.5 million years This in spite of the fact that light beams travel 186,000 miles a second. However, it will take us "only" 600 years to get there. Maybe it's FTL stuff? Could it be *gasp* there is FTL detection / ranging / observation?! AI expedition suppose to leave sometime after the first ME game right? they use some technology from Sovereign maybe to get to Andromeda galaxy in 600 yrs fast like? if so wouldn't everyone on all the AI ships be indoctrinated. Or they found some ancient technology that's not bound by mass relay technology to get their or they found a wormhole or something?
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Post by DragonEffect on Nov 12, 2016 20:51:06 GMT
What's happening to ME is IMO very similar to what happened to the Star Trek franchise.
In 1969, it used to be about science (and how it shaped our future as a species). Nowadays, it's become Star Wars. The movies are all about action, fighting and special effects. Science has been moved to the background, along with the philosophical content.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 12, 2016 20:58:01 GMT
However, it will take us "only" 600 years to get there. Maybe it's FTL stuff? Could it be *gasp* there is FTL detection / ranging / observation?! AI expedition suppose to leave sometime after the first ME game right? they use some technology from Sovereign maybe to get to Andromeda galaxy in 600 yrs fast like? if so wouldn't everyone on all the AI ships be indoctrinated. Or they found some ancient technology that's not bound by mass relay technology to get their or they found a wormhole or something? My guess it's something rather not Reaper-related. Some mega Alcubierre drive?
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