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Post by Iakus on Nov 7, 2016 22:58:17 GMT
The real problem is not even that they retconned the original trilogy in a colossal way, making many things irrelevant and greatly shattering the coherence of the universe. I can just pretend (in a way it's not really pretending) Andromeda don't exist when I replay the trilogy. The problem is, what can we truly expect for Andromeda from the people who thought this was a good idea? What kind of story they can deliver? I'd be more inclined to give it a chance if they simply dropped the "mass Effect" and just called it "Andromeda". Make it its own IP
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Post by crossngen on Nov 7, 2016 22:59:33 GMT
The real problem is not even that they retconned the original trilogy in a colossal way, making many things irrelevant and greatly shattering the coherence of the universe. I can just pretend (in a way it's not really pretending) Andromeda don't exist when I replay the trilogy. The problem is, what can we truly expect for Andromeda from the people who thought this was a good idea? What kind of story they can deliver? Just like how you've assumed before, you're assuming again. This, all of this, the answers we're looking for, are all currently unanswered until we get the game and learn more about it.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 7, 2016 23:00:02 GMT
The real problem is not even that they retconned the original trilogy in a colossal way, making many things irrelevant and greatly shattering the coherence of the universe. I can just pretend (in a way it's not really pretending) Andromeda don't exist when I replay the trilogy. The problem is, what can we truly expect for Andromeda from the people who thought this was a good idea? What kind of story they can deliver? Based on their track record, a pretty good one. Or rationalize away my perfectly logical arguments on why people would not be talking about something they may or may not even know about in the first place. Believe me this has come up in other fictional settings from time to time. "oh why wouldn't they mention event X in the future it was really big!" except a tv show/ video game/ movie only looks on a relatively small slice of life and even in real life there are loads of times we do not mention any number of current events or historical events that are very important and big. Heck I think its been three days since I mentioned the conflict in Syria, Israel, or CERN for instance. I think mentioning the existence of a big-ass ship during a war against big-ass ships would kind of make sense, especially if the whole plan is about "building this thing we know nothing about and hope it works". Hell, the galaxy is BIG. If the Reapers took as much time in destroying other planets as they did Earth, i feel like building a couple of those things would have been possible (not taking in consideration the resources to actually build them, because if we did than this ship's existence is just non-sensical at best[in lore, i don't think even Protheans ever managed to build something that size. Maybe the cannon that destroyed that one Reaper Cerberus was studying in ME2 comes close, but dunno]) By the time of ME 3 the Arks had left. And they took nine years to build presumably.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 7, 2016 23:00:10 GMT
Nothing in Mass Effect lore ever said it was impossible to build bigger ships. Everything we know about physics right now in addition to the rules of the Mass Effect universe suggests that it should be fairly easy to build ships bigger than Dreadnoughts if you have the money. The money as well as the treaty would be the two main factors stopping you from building such a warship prior to the Reapers showing up. Because you don't build lesser military vessels if you could build better ones. This would be like an US Carrier being orders of magnitude less advanced than a commercial cruiser. The codex literally states that building larger vessels is impossible beucase of financial issues. Now, you don't say that if you are actually buildings ships that are much bigger than the ones you see in the trilogy.
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Post by bshep on Nov 7, 2016 23:03:23 GMT
Calling it a lore break before we see the lore of MEA is what i would call Jumping the gun. Besides as stated above there are easy work arounds for every question raised here. [ Oh, of course! They managed to reverse engineer Sovereign's drive core, then build 4-5 of them for ships that are dreadnought+-sized all in the space of two years because they already built these massive ships without having a clue how they were going to get them to Andromeda. God thing Sovereign attacked or that would have been a colossal waste of time! Do you remember the Thanix cannons? They were created in a few months from technology salvaged from Sovereign by the turians.
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Post by crossngen on Nov 7, 2016 23:04:12 GMT
Nothing in Mass Effect lore ever said it was impossible to build bigger ships. Everything we know about physics right now in addition to the rules of the Mass Effect universe suggests that it should be fairly easy to build ships bigger than Dreadnoughts if you have the money. The money as well as the treaty would be the two main factors stopping you from building such a warship prior to the Reapers showing up. Because you don't build lesser military vessels if you could build better ones. This would be like an US Carrier being orders of magnitude less advanced than a commercial cruiser. The codex literally states that building larger vessels is impossible beucase of financial issues. Now, you don't say that if you are actually buildings ships that are much bigger than the ones you see in the trilogy. You're right, building several hundred large ships for the military is an issue of finance, but what about 4 large ships and an extra large one?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 7, 2016 23:07:00 GMT
Oh, of course! They managed to reverse engineer Sovereign's drive core, then build 4-5 of them for ships that are dreadnought+-sized all in the space of two years because they already built these massive ships without having a clue how they were going to get them to Andromeda. God thing Sovereign attacked or that would have been a colossal waste of time! Or maybe they were initially meant for more local travel, outside the relay lanes. You people keep going on about "99% of the Milky Way is unexplored" but it's evident you would scoff at any attempt to do so because "muh lore!" Like I've been saying elsewhere, there is the distinct possiblity Bioware didn't think this through and this article doesn't inspire as much confidence as it should on that regard. But to insist it's flat out impossible is frankly, childish.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 7, 2016 23:07:03 GMT
The galaxy at large doesn't know, but that doesn't mean a team of scientists, say, with access to Sovereign's drive core, couldn't have figured it out while the superstructure for the AI ships were under construction and modified them accordingly. Oh, of course! They managed to reverse engineer Sovereign's drive core, then build 4-5 of them for ships that are dreadnought+-sized all in the space of two years because they already built these massive ships without having a clue how they were going to get them to Andromeda. God thing Sovereign attacked or that would have been a colossal waste of time! They built under the assumption that a solution would be found, not a situation entirely without precedent. Or they thought they had a solution to start with that didn't work out until they studied Sovereign's remains. Alternatively, its possible that whatever discharge capability deep space stations employ are far too large to practically be incorporated into normal ships, especially a military ship where space is at a premium, but the size and civilian construction of the Arks makes them a practical solution to the issue.
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Post by Cyonan on Nov 7, 2016 23:14:20 GMT
Nothing in Mass Effect lore ever said it was impossible to build bigger ships. Everything we know about physics right now in addition to the rules of the Mass Effect universe suggests that it should be fairly easy to build ships bigger than Dreadnoughts if you have the money. The money as well as the treaty would be the two main factors stopping you from building such a warship prior to the Reapers showing up. Because you don't build lesser military vessels if you could build better ones. This would be like an US Carrier being orders of magnitude less advanced than a commercial cruiser. The codex literally states that building larger vessels is impossible beucase of financial issues. Now, you don't say that if you are actually buildings ships that are much bigger than the ones you see in the trilogy. It's not necessarily more advanced from a military standpoint, just bigger. Money is always an issue that can be overcome by having more of it. How they funded this operation I suspect will be explained in the same way they explained funding reviving Shep: It wont be properly explained beyond "investors did it".
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Post by bshep on Nov 7, 2016 23:17:48 GMT
Oh, of course! They managed to reverse engineer Sovereign's drive core, then build 4-5 of them for ships that are dreadnought+-sized all in the space of two years because they already built these massive ships without having a clue how they were going to get them to Andromeda. God thing Sovereign attacked or that would have been a colossal waste of time! Or maybe they were initially meant for more local travel, outside the relay lanes. You people keep going on about "99% of the Milky Way is unexplored" but it's evident you would scoff at any attempt to do so because "muh lore!" Like I've been saying elsewhere, there is the distinct possiblity Bioware didn't think this through and this article doesn't inspire as much confidence as it should on that regard. But to insist it's flat out impossible is frankly, childish. I don't remember seeing anywhere on the codex that bulding bigger ships was impossible , in fact they even showed in ME3 that Geth Dreadnought were bigger than the Alliance ships from the same type. What i remember was that ship mobility was the main factor in space battles since warships need to align their main gun to shoot at enemy ships and smaller ships have better mobility, hence why dreadnoughts were only used at long range and why the Destiny Ascension was easy prey to the Geth cruisers during the Battle of the Citadel. But since the Ark isn't being build to combat why worry about this kind of limitation?
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Post by themikefest on Nov 7, 2016 23:19:28 GMT
I said this before. My main concern with the ships is what defenses will they have? It's nice a big ship can be built and travel to another galaxy, but if can't defend itself, what's the point. Sure the enemy can out gun us no matter what defenses we have, but its still nice to have something.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 7, 2016 23:20:39 GMT
I said this before. My main concern with the ships is what defenses will they have? It's nice a big ship can be built and travel to another galaxy, but if can't defend itself, what's the point. Sure the enemy can out gun us no matter what defenses we have, but its still nice to have something. Indeed. The idea that the Tempest has no armaments is....alarming.
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Post by Cyonan on Nov 7, 2016 23:24:11 GMT
I said this before. My main concern with the ships is what defenses will they have? It's nice a big ship can be built and travel to another galaxy, but if can't defend itself, what's the point. Sure the enemy can out gun us no matter what defenses we have, but its still nice to have something. I plan to hang my least liked squadmate out of the airlock and hand them a sniper rifle.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 7, 2016 23:26:46 GMT
I said this before. My main concern with the ships is what defenses will they have? It's nice a big ship can be built and travel to another galaxy, but if can't defend itself, what's the point. Sure the enemy can out gun us no matter what defenses we have, but its still nice to have something. I plan to hang my least liked squadmate out of the airlock and hand them a sniper rifle. Don't know who that would be for you, but I know who it would be for me
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Post by jjdani on Nov 7, 2016 23:27:08 GMT
It was obvious bioware didnt really plan ahead and wasnt prepard for the backlash of the me3 ending so they backed themselves into a cornor and felt like they had to start from scratch so there will never be any ingame explanation. Im just gonna headcanon that my shepard knew about it but there was no reason to really bring it up or talk about it because it doesnt have anything to do with the geth, reapers, or any other important threat They were dealing with.
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Post by bshep on Nov 7, 2016 23:30:34 GMT
I said this before. My main concern with the ships is what defenses will they have? It's nice a big ship can be built and travel to another galaxy, but if can't defend itself, what's the point. Sure the enemy can out gun us no matter what defenses we have, but its still nice to have something. My guess is Gardian lasers to shoot incoming missiles/torpedos/fighters and broadside mass acelerator guns, but probably no main mass effect bow gun since that would take too much space on the ship. So they would be able to defend themselves fairly well but not mount a real offensive with the ark.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 7, 2016 23:35:13 GMT
My guess is Gardian lasers Maybe. I know there's a line of dialogue mentioning them on the dreadnought and how expensive they are If that's the best they have, hopefully its enough to defend.
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Post by lezio on Nov 7, 2016 23:38:35 GMT
Pretty accurate You from Bioware?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 7, 2016 23:42:05 GMT
If only the endings could be erased that easily. But this will have to do instead.
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Post by bshep on Nov 7, 2016 23:43:28 GMT
My guess is Gardian lasers Maybe. I know there's a line of dialogue mentioning them on the dreadnought and how expensive they are If that's the best they have, hopefully its enough to defend. Don't forget the broadside guns too. They are the main power on "close" ship to ship combat since Gardian lasers lack firepower against bigger ships. Also the maintenance of ultraviolet laser was costly but their effective range is better than infrared (6x) and they have better stopping power.
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Post by KirkyX on Nov 7, 2016 23:44:40 GMT
If only the endings could be erased that easily. But this will have to do instead. There are... Alternative means.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 7, 2016 23:45:52 GMT
Maybe. I know there's a line of dialogue mentioning them on the dreadnought and how expensive they are If that's the best they have, hopefully its enough to defend. Don't forget the broadside guns too. They are the main power on "close" ship to ship combat since Gardian lasers lack firepower against bigger ships. Also the maintenance of ultraviolet laser was costly but their effective range is better than infrared (6x) and they have better stopping power. I didn't forget about those
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Post by Iakus on Nov 7, 2016 23:52:53 GMT
Oh, of course! They managed to reverse engineer Sovereign's drive core, then build 4-5 of them for ships that are dreadnought+-sized all in the space of two years because they already built these massive ships without having a clue how they were going to get them to Andromeda. God thing Sovereign attacked or that would have been a colossal waste of time! Or maybe they were initially meant for more local travel, outside the relay lanes. You people keep going on about "99% of the Milky Way is unexplored" but it's evident you would scoff at any attempt to do so because "muh lore!" Like I've been saying elsewhere, there is the distinct possiblity Bioware didn't think this through and this article doesn't inspire as much confidence as it should on that regard. But to insist it's flat out impossible is frankly, childish. Then why did they call it "The Andromeda Initiative"? Sure, it's possible there's more to the story. But given past performance, I doubt it. And I'm one of those annoying people who wants the setting to make sense.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 7, 2016 23:59:02 GMT
Then why did they call it "The Andromeda Initiative"? Sure, it's possible there's more to the story. But given past performance, I doubt it. And I'm one of those annoying people who wants the setting to make sense. Because they were fans of Kevin Sorbo. You do know project names can change over time right?
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