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Post by fatherjerusalem on Nov 8, 2016 0:09:40 GMT
Or maybe they were initially meant for more local travel, outside the relay lanes. You people keep going on about "99% of the Milky Way is unexplored" but it's evident you would scoff at any attempt to do so because "muh lore!" Like I've been saying elsewhere, there is the distinct possiblity Bioware didn't think this through and this article doesn't inspire as much confidence as it should on that regard. But to insist it's flat out impossible is frankly, childish. Then why did they call it "The Andromeda Initiative"? Sure, it's possible there's more to the story. But given past performance, I doubt it. And I'm one of those annoying people who wants the setting to make sense. Because "The Holy Crap How Pedantic Can You Be Initiative" had too many letters?
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Post by bohemiadrinker on Nov 8, 2016 0:16:01 GMT
It was probably never mentioned because it was, for all intents and purposes, Top Secret. And there are lots of reasons to keep a project like this top secret.
Now, the fact that the project started in 2176 may very well help explain a bunch of stuff from the trilogy. Maybe the building of the Ark was where the Illusive Man gained part of his fortune, amassed such resources and tech. Maybe the political pressure brought by the private sector was what gave humans bargaining power to secure a seat in the council; maybe humanity was not special, but the humans joining the galactic community gave it the numbers to try something like this, being one more fit race (bipedal, similar size resistance to the council races, able to use biotics). And so on.
There are ways to make this fit in the lore, instead of breaking it. How well they'll pull it off remains to be seen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 0:17:15 GMT
Seriously guys they could address all of this in the game you know, ain't none of us got a crystal ball.
From my perspective I was thinking of this - they started recruiting when Shep was dead right? A year later recruitment will be done and dusted just as Shep is awoken, fighting the collectors and working with Cerberus. That was an intense recruitment mission/loyalty mission time for Shep, most of it spent on the SR2 whilst being an 'enemy' of the alliance and not receiving intel from them. Then holy shitballs Reapers, prison, quick save the world, who the fuck is that kid, dead. Or breathing.
The trilogy was told from the personal perspective of Commander Shepard, A LOT will have been missed in the telling. No doubt ya'll gonna shout at me and tell me why I'm totally wrong but I'm happy to believe something like that. This is a story, written by falable people, and some of you need to take it a little less seriously. If we all decide to disseuct these games so much not only will it stir up the endless well of internet negativity, but it would then inevitably lead to us picking apart the trilogy too. No doubt tonnes of that doesn't make sense either, but if you want a rich game world like ME you need to let some things slide.
But as I said, WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW YET.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 8, 2016 0:23:02 GMT
It would be quite natural for Quarians to mention the Arks, no? I mean, for 300 years they have been searching for a new home, and suddenly there is this opportunity to go to a new galaxy for that very purpose.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 8, 2016 0:25:55 GMT
It would be quite natural for Quarians to mention the Arks, no? I mean, for 300 hundreds years they have been searching for a new home, and suddenly there is this opportunity to go to a new galaxy for that very purpose. Except the Quarians likely won't be allowed to participate because they are the pariahs of intergalactic civilization. Well one of them anyways. Again asuming they even know about them.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 8, 2016 0:29:21 GMT
It would be quite natural for Quarians to mention the Arks, no? I mean, for 300 hundreds years they have been searching for a new home, and suddenly there is this opportunity to go to a new galaxy for that very purpose. Except the Quarians likely won't be allowed to participate because they are the pariahs of intergalactic civilization. Well one of them anyways. Again asuming they even know about them. Why would you want the most technical proficient race, especially with limited resources and aboard starships, in a mission like the AI, right? And it's not like you have to give one ark for them. The Nexus can carry a huge number of people. And if they are left out, wouldn't they protest? Sounds very reasonable. And having the Migrant Fleet help buildings the vessels would also make a lot of sense. So there are more reasons for them to be included, even in limited numbers, than not.
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Post by bshep on Nov 8, 2016 0:32:39 GMT
This kind of argument is really weak. It's like if I were to criticize ME1 because we never knew by then that Drells and Collectors existed...
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Post by colfoley on Nov 8, 2016 0:33:22 GMT
Except the Quarians likely won't be allowed to participate because they are the pariahs of intergalactic civilization. Well one of them anyways. Again asuming they even know about them. Why would you want the most technical proficient race, especially with limited resources and aboard starships, in a mission like the AI, right? And it's not like you have to give one ark for them. The Nexus can carry a huge number of people. And if they are left out, wouldn't they protest? Sounds very reasonable. And having the Migrant Fleet help buildings the vessels would also make a lot of sense. So there are more reasons for them to be included, even in limited numbers, than not. Because they, along with the Batarians and Vorcha are probably the three most pariahed raced in the known Galaxy. Regardless of their technical proficiency. The Council does not especially like them, and most of the individual people you run into look on any Quarians with some suspicion.
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Post by bohemiadrinker on Nov 8, 2016 0:34:11 GMT
Except the Quarians likely won't be allowed to participate because they are the pariahs of intergalactic civilization. Well one of them anyways. Again asuming they even know about them. Why would you want the most technical proficient race, especially with limited resources and aboard starships, in a mission like the AI, right? And it's not like you have to give one ark for them. The Nexus can carry a huge number of people. And if they are left out, wouldn't they protest? Sounds very reasonable. And having the Migrant Fleet help buildings the vessels would also make a lot of sense. So there are more reasons for them to be included, even in limited numbers, than not. Lots of racism towards them. Plus, they created the Geth. And by the time recruitment starts/the ark leaves, the Geth are the official and most accepted cause for Sovereign's attack on the Citadel. Furthermore, there's this whole thing about finding new planets and inhabiting them that the Quarians are not that great at.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 8, 2016 0:56:05 GMT
I'm guessing because the story hadn't been written yet. Just a guess. MINDFREAK
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Post by Xerxes52 on Nov 8, 2016 0:56:22 GMT
This kind of argument is really weak. It's like if I were to criticize ME1 because we never knew by then that Drells and Collectors existed... Indeed. Nobody discussed the Andromeda Initiative in ME1-3 simply because the writers didn't think of it at the time.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Nov 8, 2016 1:02:35 GMT
But the Initiative was mentioned in the trilogy it just happened off screen, it's all Shepard talked about.
While we were creating our character in the first game, Shepard yapped on and on about it to Chakwas.
During Jenkins funeral when he was supposed to say a few words, Shepard instead gushed about how cool the whole idea of going to another galaxy was.
While Joker was defending the Normandy against the Collecter attack Shepard was on the shuttle telling his squad mates for the millionth time how great the Andromeda Initiative was, many of them were actually looking forward to the suicide mission as a merciful end.
As we sat in shock and grief while the credits to ME3 rolled Shepard was in the afterlife pestering Anderson and TIM by asking them what they thought Andromedan aliens looked like and if they would bang them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 1:14:25 GMT
But the Initiative was mentioned in the trilogy it just happened off screen, it's all Shepard talked about. While we were creating our character in the first game, Shepard yapped on and on about it to Chakwas. During Jenkins funeral when he was supposed to say a few words, Shepard instead gushed about how cool the whole idea of going to another galaxy was. While Joker was defending the Normandy against the Collecter attack Shepard was on the shuttle telling his squad mates for the millionth time how great the Andromeda Initiative was, many of them were actually looking forward to the suicide mission as a merciful end. As we sat in shock and grief while the credits to ME3 rolled Shepard was in the afterlife pestering Anderson and TIM by asking them what they thought Andromedan aliens looked like and if they would bang them. I think we have a winner...
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Post by kino on Nov 8, 2016 1:26:39 GMT
I'm guessing because the story hadn't been written yet. Just a guess. MINDFREAK I just went with the "sometimes a rose is just a rose" line of thought.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 8, 2016 2:32:05 GMT
Lots of racism towards them. Plus, they created the Geth. And by the time recruitment starts/the ark leaves, the Geth are the official and most accepted cause for Sovereign's attack on the Citadel. Furthermore, there's this whole thing about finding new planets and inhabiting them that the Quarians are not that great at. Yeah I don't buy it. There's racism, and then there's so stupid one's head would fall off if it weren't attached. Let's be real, racism towards quarians is more of the modern "ehh I kinda don't like these guys they're all [insert stereotype here]" and not the real old school "these things aren't people and are basically created for our amusement" kind of racism. You can afford the former in your nice cushy society where everything's provided for you but not when you're striking out in the unknown, where everything is more likely to kill you than not by its very presence, or absence. Quarians have become particularly suited for exactly the type of thing the Andromeda Initiative is setting to do. Casual racism cannot be afforded. Hell even the old school racist would probably bring them because "dem suit rat animals be useful for labor and I'll be damned if I salvage scrap or repair a hull seal like a damn space gypsy savage!" And it's one thing to find a planet that a) has no insect life and isn't taken by someone already in a galaxy where known space is pretty saturated and quite a different matter entirely to do so in a brand new galaxy for other people who aren't as picky. Unfortunately, given the time of departure it's unlikely the geth will be joining the expedition. A shame as apart from the quarians, they're the best suited to making the journey and minding the ships while the meatbags are in cryo. Unless of course the AI was being constructed in the Veil this whole time and that's why the Geth never let anyone in!
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 8, 2016 2:52:36 GMT
I'm guessing because the story hadn't been written yet. Just a guess. That is probably the real reason. In terms of the game reason...my guess is because it's non-military and left before Shepard woke up in 2185. Same year and all that, never gave a full time-table though. Plus one more thing to consider...this is privately funded, so I would bet dollars to donuts it's not just humanities fingers in this pie on an intergalactic scale.
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Post by felipejiraya on Nov 8, 2016 2:53:52 GMT
I'm guessing because the story hadn't been written yet. Just a guess. Get out of here with these logical arguments!
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Post by napoleon on Nov 8, 2016 3:06:39 GMT
4 months out? Of course the story has been written. Bioware is being secretive cause reasons.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 8, 2016 3:12:30 GMT
But the Initiative was mentioned in the trilogy it just happened off screen, it's all Shepard talked about. While we were creating our character in the first game, Shepard yapped on and on about it to Chakwas. During Jenkins funeral when he was supposed to say a few words, Shepard instead gushed about how cool the whole idea of going to another galaxy was. While Joker was defending the Normandy against the Collecter attack Shepard was on the shuttle telling his squad mates for the millionth time how great the Andromeda Initiative was, many of them were actually looking forward to the suicide mission as a merciful end. As we sat in shock and grief while the credits to ME3 rolled Shepard was in the afterlife pestering Anderson and TIM by asking them what they thought Andromedan aliens looked like and if they would bang them. This is my favorite post of the month; possibly of the new BSN, thus far. Well done, sir. SofNascimento, you're determined to have an in-game explanation for a retcon, which on the surface seemed an unreasonably tall order. FireAndBlood has delivered. I'm glad this has been handled. I feel much better.
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Post by alihou on Nov 8, 2016 3:37:25 GMT
It was classified. /thread. It's not classified, they're clearly advertising for recruitment and are looking for capable initiates. This should be news on a galactic level.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 8, 2016 3:40:25 GMT
It was classified. /thread. It's not classified, they're clearly advertising for recruitment and are looking for capable initiates. This should be news on a galactic level. I bet it was in 2176. By 2185 I bet it was news too if they left. Like I said at the top it's possible we didn't hear about it because Shepard was in a coma for two years after being brought back to life.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 8, 2016 3:52:13 GMT
It's not classified, they're clearly advertising for recruitment and are looking for capable initiates. This should be news on a galactic level. Either that... or this is "in character" marketing to generate hype as opposed to actual plot details...
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Post by colfoley on Nov 8, 2016 3:56:24 GMT
It is quite possible for it to be classified and still be doing the need for recruitment. It could only be circulated to the Galaxy's elite and a very few specific individuals/ and their families amongst the science, explorartory, or military specialities.
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Post by Fredward on Nov 8, 2016 5:13:23 GMT
Because it's a giant retcon of course.
You don't really get anything more indicative of writers going "Okay, we wrote ourselves into a corner on this one."
I'm not gonna spend too much time fussing over it, they didn't prepare the trilogy for going to another galaxy, the AI wasn't some (stupid) secret initiative, I can imagine some investors on the Citadel discussing the greatest undertaking of the galaxy easily enough.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 8, 2016 9:59:58 GMT
I'd say I'm determined that there isn't one. And I wanted to see if anyone could have come with a good explanation, which obviously didn't happen.
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