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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 18, 2016 2:43:23 GMT
Ha, I just thought of something that would super cool of BioWare to do: a tiny patch that retrofitted the Trilogy with a couple NPC conversations and a codex entry for the Andromeda Initiative - how sick would that be! I know this wouldn't happen...but far out, it would be pretty darn amazing if you ask me. For what purpouse though? You would know it wasn't there originally and its an edit made post-fact. There's no point pretending really, or trying to fix/patch/retcon up every issue that comes along in the future as more stories in ME universe get out. Better to just take it for what it is. Same goes for editing Star Wars original Trilogy. It was really pointless on Lucas' part to try and change things to make them fit with prequels that were created later. Everyone knows it wasn't what was orginally there. For the purpose of making the transition more enjoyable for those that care about lore consistency/reference, that's the purpose, it would benefit many....maybe not you however.
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Post by bshep on Nov 18, 2016 3:14:15 GMT
For what purpouse though? You would know it wasn't there originally and its an edit made post-fact. There's no point pretending really, or trying to fix/patch/retcon up every issue that comes along in the future as more stories in ME universe get out. Better to just take it for what it is. Same goes for editing Star Wars original Trilogy. It was really pointless on Lucas' part to try and change things to make them fit with prequels that were created later. Everyone knows it wasn't what was orginally there. For the purpose of making the transition more enjoyable for those that care about lore consistency/reference, that's the purpose, it would benefit many....maybe not you however. That is not a realistic idea Ivory. They can just easily do the same with a few codex entries in MEA. It will be cheaper since they are already working on the game and definitely will reach more people that making a patch for a almost 5 years old game, not many people will play again just for that.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 18, 2016 3:58:46 GMT
For the purpose of making the transition more enjoyable for those that care about lore consistency/reference, that's the purpose, it would benefit many....maybe not you however. That is not a realistic idea Ivory. They can just easily do the same with a few codex entries in MEA. It will be cheaper since they are already working on the game and definitely will reach more people that making a patch for a almost 5 years old game, not many people will play again just for that. Don't underestimate the power of biotic force, it will be your undoing.
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Post by hipi07 on Nov 18, 2016 4:23:35 GMT
I don't think it would be a great idea to mention publicly to an already nervous galaxy with the threat of the Geth, pirates and then the looming threat of the Reapers that there is a project in the works to send a massive team to colonize another galaxy and find 'a new homeworld'.
People would flip their shit. Literally. Tin foil hat sales would go through the roof.
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Post by bshep on Nov 18, 2016 4:39:11 GMT
I don't think it would be a great idea to mention publicly to an already nervous galaxy with the threat of the Geth, pirates and then the looming threat of the Reapers that there is a project in the works to send a massive team to colonize another galaxy and find 'a new homeworld'. People would flip their shit. Literally. Tin foil hat sales would go through the roof. Disagree. Most people thought the Geth were defeated after the Battle of the Citadel, pirates were mostly a problem to the Terminus and regions close to it and most people really didn't believed the Reapers were a threat until it was too late.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 18, 2016 5:36:35 GMT
For the purpose of making the transition more enjoyable for those that care about lore consistency/reference, that's the purpose, it would benefit many....maybe not you however. That is not a realistic idea Ivory. They can just easily do the same with a few codex entries in MEA. It will be cheaper since they are already working on the game and definitely will reach more people that making a patch for a almost 5 years old game, not many people will play again just for that. I am talking more about a fan made mod here more so than an official patch my hombre It's not required at all, that's for sure, but...it could make those delicious trilogy runs so much more memorable in the context of current/upcoming content, with perhaps officially sanctioned lore injected in key places throughout: nothing major, just the odd mention here and there to bring the balance to the force.
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Post by hipi07 on Nov 18, 2016 13:09:37 GMT
I don't think it would be a great idea to mention publicly to an already nervous galaxy with the threat of the Geth, pirates and then the looming threat of the Reapers that there is a project in the works to send a massive team to colonize another galaxy and find 'a new homeworld'. People would flip their shit. Literally. Tin foil hat sales would go through the roof. Disagree. Most people thought the Geth were defeated after the Battle of the Citadel, pirates were mostly a problem to the Terminus and regions close to it and most people really didn't believed the Reapers were a threat until it was too late. True enough about the Geth but that didn't mean that they still weren't a threat anymore as everyone knew that they were only defeated, not effectively decimated. From what we saw in the later games the Geth still had CONSIDERABLE forces. With Collectors also targeting Human colonies and the kind of stuff Cerberus was pulling off and pirates, activity of which was mostly in the Terminus regions but definitely not limited to. I mean a lot of people thought colonies would be perfectly safe and they have been attacked/raided in the past. Rumors were everywhere and, at least IMO, you could tell the galactic setting had everyone tense. But to be fair I have no played the trilogy in years unfortunately. Still need to get my 15th playthrough of ME1 in.
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Post by bloodmagereaver on Nov 18, 2016 14:45:59 GMT
Well...
I am going to make up a story to make this retcon believable:
-The Andromeda Initiative founder Jien Garson received a vision of the Reapers from the Prothean ruins on Mars.
*Shepard wasn't the first person to learn of the Reapers, just the first to make a real difference instead of falling into obscurity.
-Aware that their return was a decade away at best, she realised that military victory was hopeless and decided that fleeing the Galaxy was a better option.
*It took ten years to build a small group of huge colonial warships for transporting civilians, it would have taken at least a century to build a fleet of super warships to match the reapers.
-Learning from Prothean and previous cycle technologies stored on the Mars archives, she managed not only to develop the breakthroughs required to make the Initiative possible but also attract several private investors lured by her unparalleled advancements.
*This explains why the arcs and the Nexus resemble the Crucible and the Citadel, they were build using the same kind of technology.
-When Sovereing showed up, Jien knew the clock was running out so she began covering up and erasing information about the Initiative to prevent the Reapers from tracking them down.
*Hence we don't hear anything about the Andromeda Initiative in the Trilogy, because they deliberately pulled an Ilos before leaving.
-The Illusive Man knew about the Initiative and had a hand in covering it up, including from Cerberus itself. An isolated cell assassinated every contributor left on the Milky Way who knew about the truth before being killed off themselves. Another isolated cell boarded the Crucible to continue Cerberus if the Reapers won.
*TIM flaunted that Cerberus was an idea which could outlast his death, this is easy to retcon into Cerberus having people amongst the Initiative and despite being indoctrinated TIM took that information to his grave.
-Every major character left who knew about the Initiative either dismissed it as irrelevant and/or moved up to cover and erase information of it upon receiving knews of the Reaper invasion.
*This retcons the Asari councilor's words about considering measures to ensure the survival of the species, they actively pulled an Ilos too.
-Shepard didn't know about the Initiative, the voice speaking to the colonists was the facade the Alliance made to cover her death.
*She never bothered learning about the Initiative before the games, was too busy fighting to learn of it in ME1 and was kept in the cold from ME2 onwards.
-The return from Andromeda to the Milky Way is the human equivalent to the Prothean plan of outlasting the Reaper Invasion.
*The harvest would take approximately a hundred years and by the time the Initiative reached Andromeda it would be long finished. Thus the colonists would have the next 50.000 years to build a galactic empire which would be then used to reconquer the Milky Way and defeat the Reapers by force upon returning.
I hope all those coined up explanations help reestablish your willing suspension of disbelief.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 18, 2016 14:53:03 GMT
Shepard's speech on last year's N7D was already confirmed to not happen in the story, but being a farewell for the players. Your idea won't work if the characters in Andromeda said the projections was widely known. Also, Jien would've still need to convince the richest men and women in the galaxy about the Reapers' existence, as well as backing up her project.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 14:58:14 GMT
Well... I am going to make up a story to make this retcon believable: [snip] I hope all those coined up explanations help reestablish your willing suspension of disbelief. Not perfect... but it at least deviates from the same o same o... and it shows some imagination. I'll give it a like.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 18, 2016 15:04:31 GMT
Shepard's speech on last year's N7D was already confirmed to not happen in the story, but being a farewell for the players. I must of missed that or I don't recall seeing that. Can you post the confirmation?
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 18, 2016 15:17:48 GMT
Shepard's speech on last year's N7D was already confirmed to not happen in the story, but being a farewell for the players. I must of missed that or I don't recall seeing that. Can you post the confirmation? It was posted last year, but I think someone reposted it in the twitter thread recently. I'll try to find it.
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Post by bloodmagereaver on Nov 18, 2016 15:45:50 GMT
Well... Shepard's speech on last year's N7D was already confirmed to not happen in the story, but being a farewell for the players. Your idea won't work if the characters in Andromeda said the projections was widely known. Also, Jien would've still need to convince the richest men and women in the galaxy about the Reapers' existence, as well as backing up her project. It's easier to convince people of getting richer in another galaxy than convincing people in this galaxy about the Reapers existence. She didn't reveal her knowledge of the Reapers, she just used the excuse of fresh colonies and sold super advanced technology to fund her survival plan. The colonists don't know the real reason they are leaving.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 18, 2016 15:54:25 GMT
Well... Shepard's speech on last year's N7D was already confirmed to not happen in the story, but being a farewell for the players. Your idea won't work if the characters in Andromeda said the projections was widely known. Also, Jien would've still need to convince the richest men and women in the galaxy about the Reapers' existence, as well as backing up her project. It's easier to convince people of getting richer in another galaxy than convincing people in this galaxy about the Reapers existence. She didn't reveal her knowledge of the Reapers, she just used the excuse of fresh colonies and sold super advanced technology to fund her survival plan. The colonists don't know the real reason they are leaving. The rich people backing up the project will unlikely go to Andromeda, and I really doubt they'd be convinced to back it to become even richer.
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Post by bloodmagereaver on Nov 18, 2016 16:00:46 GMT
Well... Well... It's easier to convince people of getting richer in another galaxy than convincing people in this galaxy about the Reapers existence. She didn't reveal her knowledge of the Reapers, she just used the excuse of fresh colonies and sold super advanced technology to fund her survival plan. The colonists don't know the real reason they are leaving. The rich people backing up the project will unlikely go to Andromeda, and I really doubt they'd be convinced to back it to become even richer. Jiem has private access to a massive amounts of Prothean and pre-Prothean technologies she could sell for the money she needs. Besides, once she has gained enough market credibility she can sucker up other people into a seemingly absurd endeavour.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 18, 2016 16:02:33 GMT
Well... The rich people backing up the project will unlikely go to Andromeda, and I really doubt they'd be convinced to back it to become even richer. Jiem has private access to a massive amounts of Prothean and pre-Prothean technologies she could sell for the money she needs. Besides, once she has gained enough market credibility she can sucker up other people into a seemingly absurd endeavour. You're really going too far with your headcanon. Considering we're going to have a book probably about the Initiative, I doubt they'll leave much room to work in creating the backstory ourselves.
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Post by bloodmagereaver on Nov 18, 2016 17:18:06 GMT
Well... Well... Jiem has private access to a massive amounts of Prothean and pre-Prothean technologies she could sell for the money she needs. Besides, once she has gained enough market credibility she can sucker up other people into a seemingly absurd endeavour. You're really going too far with your headcanon. Considering we're going to have a book probably about the Initiative, I doubt they'll leave much room to work in creating the backstory ourselves. I am not the one writing a story full of holes in it, I am just trying to fill space for now so that people don't bash their heads so much for nonsense.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 18, 2016 17:21:50 GMT
Well... You're really going too far with your headcanon. Considering we're going to have a book probably about the Initiative, I doubt they'll leave much room to work in creating the backstory ourselves. I am not the one writing a story full of holes in it, I am just trying to fill space for now so that people don't bash their heads so much for nonsense. The story, so far, doesn't have holes, but blank spaces since we know little about the Initiative. I'll judge it later when we know it fully.
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Well... I am not the one writing a story full of holes in it, I am just trying to fill space for now so that people don't bash their heads so much for nonsense. The story, so far, doesn't have holes, but blank spaces since we know little about the Initiative. I'll judge it later when we know it fully. Th very title of this thread proves otherwise. Bioware is never going to explain why Andromeda was never mentioned because the last thing they want is concern themselves with the trilogy again
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 18, 2016 19:55:45 GMT
The story, so far, doesn't have holes, but blank spaces since we know little about the Initiative. I'll judge it later when we know it fully. Th very title of this thread proves otherwise. Bioware is never going to explain why Andromeda was never mentioned because the last thing they want is concern themselves with the trilogy again It might be a hole, but it doesn't mean it couldn't be explained. While I don't think it'll be like that, if they make the initiative a secret one, it'd explain why nobody talked about it. I'll wait for the whole story before I make my final judgement on it.
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