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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 10, 2016 17:35:36 GMT
The AI timeframe is perfect for us to not hear about this initiative during our trilogy playthrough.
It's also essentially a glorified science expedition: which is brilliant IMO: doesn't hurt the lore of the trilogy, and leaves it open to reconnect to the Andromeda universe since it's now 600 years in the future in the MW, long enough to perhaps figure out how to sort a trade route to Andromeda by the end of the game...(my lore hope this is haha).
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 10, 2016 17:45:52 GMT
Or make an ending canon. That would have gone over well i'm sure. Or just ignore the endings. Like what Terry Pratchett would say about the continuity of the Discworld series: There are no inconsistencies in the Discworld books; occasionally, however, there are alternate pasts.They seem to have done that then. I will say this, I think any decision made here would have been divisive.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 10, 2016 19:23:23 GMT
Or just ignore the endings. Like what Terry Pratchett would say about the continuity of the Discworld series: There are no inconsistencies in the Discworld books; occasionally, however, there are alternate pasts.They seem to have done that then. I will say this, I think any decision made here would have been divisive. While I agree any choice would have been divisive, they should at least have the stones to admit when they retcon something. They should own their choices.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 11, 2016 3:34:20 GMT
They seem to have done that then. I will say this, I think any decision made here would have been divisive. While I agree any choice would have been divisive, they should at least have the stones to admit when they retcon something. They should own their choices. Who said they don't own this choice? Not admitting it's a retcon is a business decision over anything else. Of course they have to own it though-they wrote it.
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Post by drrotinaj on Nov 11, 2016 3:35:22 GMT
There's no excuse really. It should have been mentioned in Luna's planet description, or Cerberus Daily News, or one of the news segments on the Citadel in ME2, or in some codex entry. I can buy that Shepard never mentioned it but the fact that we never saw a single written or spoken word about the largest, most expensive, multi-species venture before the Crucible is ridiculous.
That being said, I've already long accepted that the opening of this game would be nonsensical like ME2. There was never gonna be a valid explanation for being in Andromeda. Might as well hope that Bioware does something good with the new setting.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 11, 2016 19:34:12 GMT
While I agree any choice would have been divisive, they should at least have the stones to admit when they retcon something. They should own their choices. Who said they don't own this choice? Not admitting it's a retcon is a business decision over anything else. Of course they have to own it though-they wrote it. If they don't admit it's a retcon, they're not owning it. They're just hoping we don't notice.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 11, 2016 19:37:06 GMT
There's no excuse really. It should have been mentioned in Luna's planet description, or Cerberus Daily News, or one of the news segments on the Citadel in ME2, or in some codex entry. I can buy that Shepard never mentioned it but the fact that we never saw a single written or spoken word about the largest, most expensive, multi-species venture before the Crucible is ridiculous. That being said, I've already long accepted that the opening of this game would be nonsensical like ME2. There was never gonna be a valid explanation for being in Andromeda. Might as well hope that Bioware does something good with the new setting. You know, that brings up an interesting point. ME1 has a mission ON LUNA! And those trailers show the...shipyard? Where these arks were built were in plain view from there (with Earth in the background as well) Where was that in the Rogue VI mission?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 11, 2016 19:40:35 GMT
There's no excuse really. It should have been mentioned in Luna's planet description, or Cerberus Daily News, or one of the news segments on the Citadel in ME2, or in some codex entry. I can buy that Shepard never mentioned it but the fact that we never saw a single written or spoken word about the largest, most expensive, multi-species venture before the Crucible is ridiculous. That being said, I've already long accepted that the opening of this game would be nonsensical like ME2. There was never gonna be a valid explanation for being in Andromeda. Might as well hope that Bioware does something good with the new setting. You know, that brings up an interesting point. ME1 has a mission ON LUNA! And those trailers show the...shipyard? Where these arks were built were in plain view from there (with Earth in the background as well) Where was that in the Rogue VI mission? Luna is a big place and you can't see what is going on on all of it from any one point. The base we go to in ME1 to deal with baby EDI is just on a different part of the moon as the AI facility.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 11, 2016 19:51:38 GMT
You know, that brings up an interesting point. ME1 has a mission ON LUNA! And those trailers show the...shipyard? Where these arks were built were in plain view from there (with Earth in the background as well) Where was that in the Rogue VI mission? Luna is a big place and you can't see what is going on on all of it from any one point. The base we go to in ME1 to deal with baby EDI is just on a different part of the moon as the AI facility. It could be. But the orbital shipyards building the Nexus and the Arks should have been in view. And construction should still be going on in 2183. Yet it doesn't even get a mention?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 11, 2016 19:55:35 GMT
Luna is a big place and you can't see what is going on on all of it from any one point. The base we go to in ME1 to deal with baby EDI is just on a different part of the moon as the AI facility. It could be. But the orbital shipyards building the Nexus and the Arks should have been in view. And construction should still be going on in 2183. Yet it doesn't even get a mention? I agree it should have been mentioned, but I disagree that they should have been in view. With the curvature of Luna, if it was far enough you wouldn't see the shipyards. For example, if they are n the Northern hemisphere and the base we go to in ME1 is in the Southern hemisphere, we wouldn't see them.
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Post by TheChosenOne on Nov 12, 2016 0:53:18 GMT
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Post by themikefest on Nov 12, 2016 5:33:23 GMT
I agree it should have been mentioned, but I disagree that they should have been in view. With the curvature of Luna, if it was far enough you wouldn't see the shipyards. For example, if they are n the Northern hemisphere and the base we go to in ME1 is in the Southern hemisphere, we wouldn't see them. Wouldn't that depend on which way the SR1 approached the moon? I'd be a bit surprised that Joker wouldn't make a comment about a lot of construction in the area during the rogue mission
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Post by DannyC_pt on Nov 12, 2016 8:57:38 GMT
I agree it should have been mentioned, but I disagree that they should have been in view. With the curvature of Luna, if it was far enough you wouldn't see the shipyards. For example, if they are n the Northern hemisphere and the base we go to in ME1 is in the Southern hemisphere, we wouldn't see them. Wouldn't that depend on which way the SR1 approached the moon? I'm be a bit surprised that Joker wouldn't make a comment about a lot of construction in the area during the rogue mission Of course Joker mentioned it. Shepard was just too damn busy flirting with Liara in the back room of the med bay. Chakwas, are you eavesdropping?
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Post by themikefest on Nov 12, 2016 12:20:27 GMT
Of course Joker mentioned it. Shepard was just too damn busy flirting with Liara in the back room of the med bay. Chakwas, are you eavesdropping?Your Shepard may have been doing that, but mine doesn't care about the blue alien.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 12:24:01 GMT
I say they should just send out a quick patch to the ME2 Codex mentioning the initiative and be done with it. ME2 Shepard could even have gotten an email from Alec Ryder while he/she was unconscious saying goodbye that he/she only gets to read after going onboard the SR2. Since Shepard generally never mentioned his/her emails in conversations (even when Ka'l Reegar died in ME3), there should be no expectation that he/she would talk about a goodbye from an old N7 friend that no one else know on the ship. Bioware could ship the patch as part of the ME:A package and let people apply it if they want to. Problem fixed.
Really... people say there's "no excuse" for Bioware not mentioning this in a game that was written years before the idea of doing a 4th ME game was even a glint in Bioware's eyes? Come on... get real. Since people want to be so pickyune... they could even extend the patch to the ME1 Codex to mention the facility on Luna... although I'm quite sure the Codex doesn't (and shouldn't) mention every facility located on every planet in the entire galaxy anyways... not to mention that, in the entire ME1 galaxy of billions and billions of space-faring people and all sorts of commerce going on... we NEVER see another ship of any type flying in orbit around any of the side-mission planets at all. The ME1 ingame entry for Luna does say that the moon was home to 4.1 million people, yet we only saw evidence of 3 buildings on the area of it we explored and no sign of spaceships in flight over it while we were on it... and I didn't hear of anyone complaining about it while playing ME1.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Nov 12, 2016 18:45:39 GMT
I'd think that, if nothing else, it would have come up at some point in ME3 when the characters are contemplating the consequences of losing the war. Shepard, or Liara, or Hackett, or *somebody* would have said something like, "Who'd have thought the Andromeda Initiative could turn out to the last survivors of our species?"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 20:03:48 GMT
I'd think that, if nothing else, it would have come up at some point in ME3 when the characters are contemplating the consequences of losing the war. Shepard, or Liara, or Hackett, or *somebody* would have said something like, "Who'd have thought the Andromeda Initiative could turn out to the last survivors of our species?" Maybe it did come up between Shepard and Liara or whoever... you know as bedroom chat after the screen faded to black. We just weren't privy to absolutely everything every character said to each other during the game... what's so hard to headcanon that much?
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 12, 2016 21:05:39 GMT
I'd think that, if nothing else, it would have come up at some point in ME3 when the characters are contemplating the consequences of losing the war. Shepard, or Liara, or Hackett, or *somebody* would have said something like, "Who'd have thought the Andromeda Initiative could turn out to the last survivors of our species?" Maybe it did come up between Shepard and Liara or whoever... you know as bedroom chat after the screen faded to black. We just weren't privy to absolutely everything every character said to each other during the game... what's so hard to headcanon that much? Having to headcanon a retcon is not a good thing. But considering it's really up to us to decide how to handle the lore shattering the Arks created, I'd say there are two Mass Effect universes now. One is the one from the trilogy, the one which Shepard did the things he or she did in the games, there is no Arks in that. And this other one, which is similar, but it has the Arks and is not the one that we played. It even makes sense for Andromeda, as we will have no knowledge of what happened after the Arks leave. Very appropriate.
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Post by General Mahad on Nov 12, 2016 21:13:11 GMT
If the Andromeda Initiative was a secret venture on an uncharted world, that would have been fine as to why characters don't know about it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 21:24:57 GMT
Maybe it did come up between Shepard and Liara or whoever... you know as bedroom chat after the screen faded to black. We just weren't privy to absolutely everything every character said to each other during the game... what's so hard to headcanon that much? Having to headcanon a retcon is not a good thing. But considering it's really up to us to decide how to handle the lore shattering the Arks created, I'd say there are two Mass Effect universes now. One is the one from the trilogy, the one which Shepard did the things he or she did in the games, there is no Arks in that. And this other one, which is similar, but it has the Arks and is not the one that we played. It even makes sense for Andromeda, as we will have no knowledge of what happened after the Arks leave. Very appropriate. It beats insisting on having a voice acted conversation be added to a game about an addition to the franchise that was not even remotely considered when that game was written years before. Sorry, but people, IMO, are really just being unreasonable about this... and for the record, I'm saying it should not be difficult at all to headcanon a single conversation. I, for one, would rather throw the old lore in the trash can entirely and have a new game with a new story called Mass Effect: Andromeda than have no game released at all because the fans suffocated it with the old, faulty lore of the old Mass Effect Trilogy.
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Post by bshep on Nov 12, 2016 21:55:50 GMT
Of course Joker mentioned it. Shepard was just too damn busy flirting with Liara in the back room of the med bay. Chakwas, are you eavesdropping?Your Shepard may have been doing that, but mine doesn't care about the blue alien. Mine was finding out what happens when you mix dextro-protein and levo-protein with Tali. Having to headcanon a retcon is not a good thing. But considering it's really up to us to decide how to handle the lore shattering the Arks created, I'd say there are two Mass Effect universes now. One is the one from the trilogy, the one which Shepard did the things he or she did in the games, there is no Arks in that. And this other one, which is similar, but it has the Arks and is not the one that we played. It even makes sense for Andromeda, as we will have no knowledge of what happened after the Arks leave. Very appropriate. It beats insisting on having a voice acted conversation be added to a game about an addition to the franchise that was not even remotely considered when that game was written years before. Sorry, but people, IMO, are really just being unreasonable about this... and for the record, I'm saying it should not be difficult at all to headcanon a single conversation. I, for one, would rather throw the old lore in the trash can entirely and have a new game with a new story called Mass Effect: Andromeda than have no game released at all because the fans suffocated it with the old, faulty lore of the old Mass Effect Trilogy. I myself am not a fan of headcannon (only cannon for me) and i also really don't feel that we need to use this in this case. As you stated, it is totaly unreasonable to want the Andromeda Initiative to be referenced in a game that was released years prior to this one (either be it ME1, ME2 or ME3). It's liked complaining about about the portrayal of Batarians in ME1 before Bring Down the Sky, or the Collectors/Drell ausence from ME1 to ME2, or that the Reapers didn't have any trouble with eezo core discharge in ME3. I really don't understand the need to "lose your head" for something that can (and probably will) be easly explained in MEA.
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The simple answer is that the writers shot themshelf gigantically in the foot on multiple occasions. The short timeframe between the discovery of Mass Effect technology and the beginning of ME1 being one of the primary examples. From ME1 on the wanted Humanity to appear as the new faces in galactic class while also portraying them as being exceptionally innovative, military potent and culturally significant, A classic of instance of have your cake and eat it, too. To make matters worse, in ME2 the writers fell in love with Cerberus, exaggerating their capabalities far beyond the setting, story or universe would normally allow.
Now comes the Andromeda Initiative, a colossal effort founded a spearheaded by humanity well before the beginning of the trilogy, The technological, scientific, financial and capital, are way beyond what a fledgeling species could reasonably offer with upsetting it's entire economy and society. Earth would go bankrupt long before the Hyperion would ever be spaceworthy.
Now the writers want us to accept that all this has convienantly eluded Shepard during their struggle against the Reapers, nor did it have any impact on the univere in a cultural, economical or technological sense. The fact that Bioware chose to frame the Andromeda expedition as some kind of massive private joint venture scientific effort makes the abscense of any reference all the more damning because Millions of people leaving the galaxy simply wouldn't go without effect on those that stay behind.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 22:33:43 GMT
Your Shepard may have been doing that, but mine doesn't care about the blue alien. Mine was finding out what happens when you mix dextro-protein and levo-protein with Tali. It beats insisting on having a voice acted conversation be added to a game about an addition to the franchise that was not even remotely considered when that game was written years before. Sorry, but people, IMO, are really just being unreasonable about this... and for the record, I'm saying it should not be difficult at all to headcanon a single conversation. I, for one, would rather throw the old lore in the trash can entirely and have a new game with a new story called Mass Effect: Andromeda than have no game released at all because the fans suffocated it with the old, faulty lore of the old Mass Effect Trilogy. I myself am not a fan of headcannon (only cannon for me) and i also really don't feel that we need to use this in this case. As you stated, it is totaly unreasonable to want the Andromeda Initiative to be referenced in a game that was released years prior to this one (either be it ME1, ME2 or ME3). It's liked complaining about about the portrayal of Batarians in ME1 before Bring Down the Sky, or the Collectors/Drell ausence from ME1 to ME2, or that the Reapers didn't have any trouble with eezo core discharge in ME3. I really don't understand the need to "lose your head" for something that can (and probably will) be easly explained in MEA. Sorry, if I'm sounding like I'm losing my head... I'm not and I agree with you. Bioware may a good explanation, a poor one, or even not give an explanation at all... and even that doesn't matter to me. I am perfectly prepared to just throw the old lore in the trash and allow Bioware to start fresh with this Mass Effect game. In fact, in many ways, I'm looking forward to learning about some "new lore" in this game... I'm getting a little tired of just replaying the old Mass Effect Trilogy.
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The simple answer is that the writers shot themshelf gigantically in the foot on multiple occasions. The short timeframe between the discovery of Mass Effect technology and the beginning of ME1 being one of the primary examples. From ME1 on the wanted Humanity to appear as the new faces in galactic class while also portraying them as being exceptionally innovative, military potent and culturally significant, A classic of instance of have your cake and eat it, too. To make matters worse, in ME2 the writers fell in love with Cerberus, exaggerating their capabalities far beyond the setting, story or universe would normally allow. Now comes the Andromeda Initiative, a colossal effort founded a spearheaded by humanity well before the beginning of the trilogy, The technological, scientific, financial and capital, are way beyond what a fledgeling species could reasonably offer with upsetting it's entire economy and society. Earth would go bankrupt long before the Hyperion would ever be spaceworthy. Now the writers want us to accept that all this has convienantly eluded Shepard during their struggle against the Reapers, nor did it have any impact on the univere in a cultural, economical or technological sense. The fact that Bioware chose to frame the Andromeda expedition as some kind of massive private joint venture scientific effort makes the abscense of any reference all the more damning because Millions of people leaving the galaxy simply wouldn't go without effect on those that stay behind. Not sure where you're getting "millions" of people leaving the galaxy. Somewhere here on this forum, I've seen today a reference to about 100,000 people in total in ARKs barely larger than the Destiny Ascension and a Nexus vessel smaller than the Citadel. A hundred thousand (25,000 per) would definitely be sufficient to seed the population of 4 MW species. Also, during ME2, hundreds of thousands of human colonists are said to be disappearing without anyone noticing except Cerberus... who is really to say that 100% of these disappearances were due to collector abductions, huh? Earth would go bankrupt, huh... but we're not just dealing with the resources available here on earth... There is an entire Milky Way galaxy worth of resources out there allegedly accessible to the project. The Crucible was constructed during war time in a matter of a couple of months... during a time when many humans were fighting the war and dying in huge numbers and after galaxy-wide communications were significantly cut. The AI is being built over a period of several years, during peace-time when all communications are in place and the numbers of people required to fight a war is significantly less (i.e. more can devote their time to science). It's not as insurmountable a concept as the naysayers around here keep making it out to be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 23:18:21 GMT
Earth would go bankrupt, huh... but we're not just dealing with the resources available here on earth... There is an entire Milky Way galaxy worth of resources out there allegedly accessible to the project. The Crucible was constructed during war time in a matter of a couple of months... during a time when many humans were fighting the war and dying in huge numbers and after galaxy-wide communications were significantly cut. The AI is being built over a period of several years, during peace-time when all communications are in place and the numbers of people required to fight a war is significantly less (i.e. more can devote their time to science). It's not as insurmountable a concept as the naysayers around here keep making it out to be. It takes roughly nine years for the United States Navy to construct a 100,000 ton heavy and 337 meter long Aircraft carrier. What do you think it would take to privately construct a Colossal Space Ark? Do you have any idea how expensive and delicate the shipbuilding or aerospace industries are today? And that is without going into any of the details. Liara even admits it took decades to build the Shadow broker ship, With humanity having the smallest economy of any citadel species, with a population that is concentrated on earth and various agrarian colonies. How is Mass effect's version of Elon Musk going to deal with that? So Yeah, it is very much inconcievable that a private human effort would be able to commit to a project of such magnitude within the established Mass Effect universe.
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