The Carver Hawke Thread - Time to prove something!

By the way, "the second son"...

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That's the red line. I think the purple crueler. I never tried the blue one. Hawke is pretty threatening, I don't think, the end is different with a blue answer, their relationship based on rivalry.

I'm kind of surprised Carver didn't get kicked out of the Templars after the events of Demands of the Qun. Meredith must know after this that he's been hiding the fact his brother/sister is an apostate (and maybe blood mage).

Well, she says she'll overlook Hawke's use of magic for the moment, but they are in the middle of a war zone. Hawke never met Meredith before that.

I can't believe Meredith knew Hawke was a mage before that. Hawke may have some money, but he/she isn't important enough to be left alone by Meredith. She's not exactly the sort to turn a blind eye. On the other hand, she is incompetent enough to miss a blatant blood mage like Gascard Dupuis, so I can easily believe she didn't know.

I am wondering Aveline gives approve when Hawke is giving his opinion in the conflict between Seamus and his father. Why Carver gives Hawke rival points? I do not understand why this situation bothered Carver.

Ah, you really know and love him, Cat. 

I just know Warden Carver came back to help. No Secret Order dedicated to saving the World from the Blight could keep my lil bro from trying to keep me safe. 

It is possible to get the friendship rank from the game with Carver. Only pick him to quest dialogues where Carver and Hawke have the same opinion. And take him as Templar with to the deep roads in legacy.
The gameplay recognize it as friendship but the plot from base game will has no alternate dialogues. This was very lazy, Bioware!

I like Carver, but I cannot understand his behavior. He exaggerates fast. He refuses to understand others. And as I said, it's really bad that this conflict is so enforced by the game.

Could be that Meredith knew about or remembered Malcolm Hawke.

We don't know how old Meredith is or when she first came to the Gallows (as a squire/ward of Ser Wentworth), only that she was young and became Knight-Captain in 9:14. If we assume that it took several years for her to rise to that rank, then she might have been around for Malcolm's escape from the Gallows around 9:05-6.

It was apparently a huge scandal when Malcolm escaped and eloped with Leandra Amell, something that nobles still remember and seem to talk about. So when decades later the Amell estate was bought by a "Messere Hawke", who the Viscount acknowledged as the legitimate scion of the Amells through their mother Leandra, you have to figure Hawke's neighbours immediately knew who Hawke's father was.

Any description of Hawke given in reports would also match that of Malcolm, should anyone happen to remember what he looked like. Tobias was able to recognise Hawke and Carver as Malcolm's children on sight, before they'd even approached him or said a single word.

So it really wouldn't have been hard for Meredith to figure out that Hawke was the child of an escaped apostate (one she might even remember). Not that wouldn't have necessarily meant anything, since magic isn't always passed down (although the Amell family is said to have produced a lot of mages), but that connection could definitely have made her pay attention whenever Hawke's name cropped up in her reports.

(That could have been how the Templars noticed Bethany, depending on whether or not you think she turned herself in?)

After reading through this thread and seeing how almost everyone likes Carver. I will now definitely give mage Hawke a try. Originall I picked warrior Hawke cause I am close with my sister in real life. I thought Hawke and Bethany would have something similar, since he most likely always kept the Templars at bay. But anyway this is a Carver thread. I will see how he plays out when I next play DA2 as a mage.