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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 16:23:58 GMT
I'd say so, The premise of an entire new galaxy is daunting and certainly a step into the unkown, but the trailer reveals that Bioware still places great value upon existing tropes and styles, Great mysteries, beams of light, an ancient evil, etc. The way it's paced feels very similar to what has been done before. Then there is the premise, which is intentionally ambigious about it's specifics (Remember Lazarus?). This is fairly standard for the kind of story Bioware is aiming for; We're not supposed to worry about how the Andromeda project got about or the technicalities of the ark construction. If Andromeda was the first of the franchise I'm heavily inclined to agree with this line of thought, however because we have an established universe with a detailed knowledge on it's history it becomes a lot harder to squeeze in major chain of events and making it appear legit. The thing is not to make it "appear" legit, the thing is to actually make it legit. A game's story is as much a part of the product as the gameplay, so why is it okay for a developer to write a bad, inconsistent story that insults the intelligence of everyone who plays it, but not okay to ship a game full of bugs that impairs the gameplay experience? Hey, I'm all for the story beign equal to level of gameplay , I enjoyed the heck out of ME1, which is a game that has it's narrative placed miles above the gameplay. I'm just being realistic here, If Bioware gets all the basics right then I'm able to look over a few convienances and contrivances. But if the premise is fundamentally flawed, as it is looking like more and more, than I will gladly point that out.
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Post by Arcian on Nov 17, 2016 16:32:35 GMT
The thing is not to make it "appear" legit, the thing is to actually make it legit. A game's story is as much a part of the product as the gameplay, so why is it okay for a developer to write a bad, inconsistent story that insults the intelligence of everyone who plays it, but not okay to ship a game full of bugs that impairs the gameplay experience? Hey, I'm all for the story beign equal to level of gameplay , I enjoyed the heck out of ME1, which is a game that has it's narrative placed miles above the gameplay. I'm just being realistic here, If Bioware gets all the basics right then I'm able to look over a few convienances and contrivances. But if the premise is fundamentally flawed, as it is looking like more and more, than I will gladly point that out. Yeah, of course, I'm not expecting them to write the best story ever written in the history of the universe. But they should at least strive to be on ME1's level, and that's... not what they're doing.
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Post by jackievakarian on Nov 17, 2016 16:41:11 GMT
I'm getting hella pissed off whenever people throw around the word "innovation".
You can take your innovation and innovatively stick it up your ass. Innovation means different things to different people, but I find that 9 times out of 10, the people who throw around the word innovation when it pertains to video games, are pretentious douchebags. I also find that "innovation" to these people is creating a shitty game mechanic or making a game extra-shitty instead of good or fun.
If you want innovation, fucking play No Man's Sky or Superman 64 or Ride to Hell: Retribution or the Witcher 3.
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Post by Arcian on Nov 17, 2016 16:52:27 GMT
I'm getting hella pissed off whenever people throw around the word "innovation". You can take your innovation and innovatively stick it up your ass. Innovation means different things to different people, but I find that 9 times out of 10, the people who throw around the word innovation when it pertains to video games, are pretentious douchebags. I also find that "innovation" to these people is creating a shitty game mechanic or making a game extra-shitty instead of good or fun. If you want innovation, fucking play No Man's Sky or Superman 64 or Ride to Hell: Retribution or the Witcher 3. >No Man's Sky >innovation Choose one.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 17, 2016 16:56:22 GMT
I'm getting hella pissed off whenever people throw around the word "innovation". You can take your innovation and innovatively stick it up your ass. Innovation means different things to different people, but I find that 9 times out of 10, the people who throw around the word innovation when it pertains to video games, are pretentious douchebags. I also find that "innovation" to these people is creating a shitty game mechanic or making a game extra-shitty instead of good or fun. If you want innovation, fucking play No Man's Sky or Superman 64 or Ride to Hell: Retribution or the Witcher 3. I agree with Chloe Well, sort of. Innovation isn't a bad thing necessarily, but it's not always a good thing either. If you innovate, you might get something awesome like npc banter. Or you might get something as stupid as the Catalyst. Changing things for the sake of changing things is asking for trouble.
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Post by daniel on Nov 17, 2016 22:04:48 GMT
I'm getting hella pissed off whenever people throw around the word "innovation". You can take your innovation and innovatively stick it up your ass. Innovation means different things to different people, but I find that 9 times out of 10, the people who throw around the word innovation when it pertains to video games, are pretentious douchebags. I also find that "innovation" to these people is creating a shitty game mechanic or making a game extra-shitty instead of good or fun. If you want innovation, fucking play No Man's Sky or Superman 64 or Ride to Hell: Retribution or the Witcher 3. I agree with Chloe Well, sort of. Innovation isn't a bad thing necessarily, but it's not always a good thing either. If you innovate, you might get something awesome like npc banter. Or you might get something as stupid as the Catalyst. Changing things for the sake of changing things is asking for trouble. Just because your one of those people who can't appreciate originality or deal with changes doesn't mean you have to be rude or offensive towards those that do. We allow you to have to your opinions so allow others do have them aswell. And after numerous employees have left and there is all this vageness about the release date it isn't that strange that people like myself are a bit worried about the end product.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 17, 2016 22:11:30 GMT
I agree with Chloe Well, sort of. Innovation isn't a bad thing necessarily, but it's not always a good thing either. If you innovate, you might get something awesome like npc banter. Or you might get something as stupid as the Catalyst. Changing things for the sake of changing things is asking for trouble. Just because your one of those people who can't appreciate originality or deal with changes doesn't mean you have to be rude or offensive towards those that do. We allow you to have to your opinions so allow others do have them aswell. And after numerous employees have left and there is all this vageness about the release date it isn't that strange that people like myself are a bit worried about the end product. Please point out to me anything in my post that was remotely rude or offensive.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 17, 2016 22:12:07 GMT
I agree with Chloe Well, sort of. Innovation isn't a bad thing necessarily, but it's not always a good thing either. If you innovate, you might get something awesome like npc banter. Or you might get something as stupid as the Catalyst. Changing things for the sake of changing things is asking for trouble. Just because your one of those people who can't appreciate originality or deal with changes doesn't mean you have to be rude or offensive towards those that do. We allow you to have to your opinions so allow others do have them aswell. And after numerous employees have left and there is all this vageness about the release date it isn't that strange that people like myself are a bit worried about the end product. Iakus is actually skeptical about the game as well. I don't see a problem with being worried about the game, though the number of employees leaving is in the norm on the industry, as other people shown in the threads related to that topic.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 21, 2016 20:18:51 GMT
This game isn't supposed to be about aliens. It's supposed to be about humans in space. This is why BioWare cannot be taken seriously. Bunch of screwups if you ask me.
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Post by kumazan on Nov 21, 2016 20:26:33 GMT
This game isn't supposed to be about aliens. It's supposed to be about humans in space. This is why BioWare cannot be taken seriously. Bunch of screwups if you ask me. The game is not about what I want it to be about -> BioWare cannot be trusted. That's quite a non sequitur there.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 21, 2016 20:31:53 GMT
This is why BioWare cannot be taken seriously. Bunch of screwups if you ask me. The game is not about what I want it to be about -> BioWare cannot be trusted. That's quite a non sequitur there. The game is just another version of a character similar to Shepard. Again. Save humanity. Again. And N7. Again! I mean are they getting dumber or something??? It's no wonder people left BioWare.
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Post by The Twilight God on Nov 21, 2016 20:49:20 GMT
Another white male lead pulled from a Calvin Klein ad. Yeah, they're playing it safe. Should have gone Indian. Even the name... "Scott". Lame.
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Post by kumazan on Nov 21, 2016 21:06:24 GMT
The game is not about what I want it to be about -> BioWare cannot be trusted. That's quite a non sequitur there. The game is just another version of a character similar to Shepard. Again. Save humanity. Again. And N7. Again! I mean are they getting dumber or something??? It's no wonder people left BioWare. I don't know enough about Ryder to know whether they are similar to Shepard, and they don't start as N7 even if, apparently, they do get the rank later on, so my judgment on that will depend on how that happens. The save humanity again is getting old though, I must agree there. At least I hope there's more to the story than that.
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