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Post by daniel on Nov 14, 2016 22:24:47 GMT

What do you guys think from what you have seen so far does it feel fresh and innovative to you? Don't get me wrong I loved the previous trilogy but in comparison with the first, which in my opion was the best, the third was far more combat and action driven then the original. And here we are ready to kick off a new chapter, and yet we have the same 3 man formation with you leading them? Considering that you will not play as a commander this time but instead as a basic trained rookie, they should have dropped that and let the story guide the characters, with perhaps the father of the sibblings in charge. Im also not appalled to play as a human again but there is serious lack of alien characters so far and this is afterall supposed to be a game about aliens. I don't know maybe i am being to presumptious and best is yet to come, anyway i'm curious what others are thinking so far.

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Post by Arcian on Nov 14, 2016 22:31:48 GMT

Nothing feels fresh or innovative. All they did was to add a jetpack gimmick to ME3's gameplay mechanics.

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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 14, 2016 22:41:18 GMT

This game isn't supposed to be about aliens. It's supposed to be about humans in space.

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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 14, 2016 23:01:56 GMT

We're still 5 month's out from launch, could we hold off from writing the review already?

I like what I've seen so far, but this early any information is seen through the lens of your own expectations, and your mileage may vary

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Post by Innocent Bystander on Nov 14, 2016 23:22:04 GMT

Who cares about innovative. First, make a good game. Second, release it without (too much) bugs and glitches. Third, write interesting story and characters. Fourth, tell everyone who wants you to put microtransactions into singleplayer to go fuck themselves. Fifth, make a PC version that is a PC version and not Xbox: recolor. Then start caring about innovation. There's a lot of examples this year how to NOT do it. Coincidentally, EA did it right.

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Post by daniel on Nov 14, 2016 23:36:00 GMT

This series has very rich universe and there are so many interesting directions they could have taken it in,ways they could have improved the gameplay. Some of us just dont want to play ''shoot these 20 men to get through this door'' again.

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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 14, 2016 23:50:26 GMT

'No Man's Sky' was innovative...

Nov 14, 2016 23:36:00 GMT daniel said:

This series has very rich universe and there are so many interesting directions they could have taken it in,ways they could have improved the gameplay. Some of us just dont want to play ''shoot these 20 men to get through this door'' again.

Er, how much Mass Effect Andromeda combat gameplay have you watched to make that assessment?

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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 15, 2016 0:19:48 GMT

Nov 14, 2016 23:22:04 GMT Innocent Bystander said:

First, make a good game. Second, release it without (too much) bugs and glitches. Third, write interesting story and characters. Fourth, tell everyone who wants you to put microtransactions into singleplayer to go fuck themselves. Fifth, make a PC version that is a PC version and not Xbox: recolor. Then start caring about innovation. There's a lot of examples this year how to NOT do it.

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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 15, 2016 0:32:12 GMT

Nov 15, 2016 0:00:37 GMT daniel said:

Point taken

I'm just saying in therms of mass effect 2 and 3 it could have done with some more exploring and less combat.

ME2 did have multiple hubs though whereas ME1 only had the Citadel and I don't count the barren uncharted worlds as hub areas and I see Feros/Noveria as missions. It felt like ME2 had 3 citadels, and it did feel a bit too empty after the first 2 or 3 visits, but it still left a great impression on me. I'll always think about ME2 as the game that really got me invested into the universe itself because of how much it expanded it with interesting lore additions. ME1 is like the concept itself but ME2 is an expansion of it (and retcons that I didn't care to be sour about) and then ME3 is the destruction of it JK

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Post by fatherjerusalem on Nov 15, 2016 0:41:05 GMT

Nov 14, 2016 22:31:48 GMT Arcian said:

Nothing feels fresh or innovative. All they did was to add a jetpack gimmick to ME3's gameplay mechanics.

You know what feels REALLY fresh and innovative?

All the constant whinging and bitching about a game that we still have very very few details on.

It's like you have a personal grudge against anyone feeling optimistic or excited, and is honestly completely and utterly obnoxious at this point.

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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 15, 2016 2:18:01 GMT

Nov 14, 2016 23:22:04 GMT Innocent Bystander said:

Who cares about innovative. First, make a good game.

Innovation is a big, vital part of a good game.

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Nov 14, 2016 22:41:18 GMT SofNascimento said:

This game isn't supposed to be about aliens. It's supposed to be about humans in space.

Like every other sci-fi game, and the original trilogy.
Thus it feels uninspired. They really didn't have to make this game all about humanity yet again. 3 games was more than enough.

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Post by Cyonan on Nov 15, 2016 4:10:20 GMT

Nov 15, 2016 2:18:01 GMT Giant Ambush Beetle said:

Nov 14, 2016 23:22:04 GMT Innocent Bystander said:

Who cares about innovative. First, make a good game.

Innovation is a big, vital part of a good game.

To be fair games like XCOM 2 are really good without iterating a whole lot on the original game. Deus Ex Mankind Divided was also a good game without really innovating anything from Human Revolution. Just a few tweaks here and there to the system.

When you have a solid core formula, you don't need innovation as much anymore.

At least not as long as you don't release a new version every single year and burn out large portions of your fanbase within a year or two.

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Nov 15, 2016 0:41:05 GMT fatherjerusalem said:

Nov 14, 2016 22:31:48 GMT Arcian said:

Nothing feels fresh or innovative. All they did was to add a jetpack gimmick to ME3's gameplay mechanics.

You know what feels REALLY fresh and innovative?

All the constant whinging and bitching about a game that we still have very very few details on.

It's like you have a personal grudge against anyone feeling optimistic or excited, and is honestly completely and utterly obnoxious at this point.

To no one's shock, it's always the same group of users with their constant meltdown. One would think they hate the series by now, but if anything, Bioware succeed at making them buy their games. I also would like to get my hands in these reviews copies that are already out.

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Post by napoleon on Nov 15, 2016 4:50:35 GMT

Nov 15, 2016 4:19:45 GMT Andrew Lucas said:

Nov 15, 2016 0:41:05 GMT fatherjerusalem said:

You know what feels REALLY fresh and innovative?

All the constant whinging and bitching about a game that we still have very very few details on.

It's like you have a personal grudge against anyone feeling optimistic or excited, and is honestly completely and utterly obnoxious at this point.

To no one's shock, it's always the same group of users with their constant meltdown. One would think they hate the series by now, but if anything, Bioware succeed at making them buy their games. I also would like to get my hands in these reviews copies that are already out.

Arcian and company are so predisposed against this game that there is nothing Bioware could probably do at this point to make them like it.

For me I'm just happy to have another Bioware style RPG. They are the only ones in the industry that make games like these. I want ME:A to give me the same feeling of wonder that ME1 did.

For those complaining about a lack of innovation. I remember a long time ago looking at the pre-release footage of ME1 and thinking it looked like an unimaginative Kotor 1 ripoff. I couldn't have been more wrong.

I think at this moment we have so little to look at its just not worth throwing a fit over.

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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 15, 2016 4:54:18 GMT

The Mass Effect franchise was never about aliens; it was about humanity's place in the galaxy.

I have to say being a negative nancy about this must be a bit frustrating. There are so few games that I ever really truly look forward to and MEA is currently the only one so far, save whatever new IP BioWare might be cooking up and the next DA title to come out whenever.

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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 5:28:52 GMT

If they are playing it safe, I really can't blame them; and if they are being innovative and just not letting any of their secrets out of the bag yet, I applaud for that. The truth is, we just don't know enough about the game yet to make those sort so predictions.

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Post by Pearl on Nov 15, 2016 5:38:27 GMT

It certainly seems like they're trying to hit people right in the nostalgia.

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Nov 14, 2016 22:31:48 GMT Arcian said:

Nothing feels fresh or innovative. All they did was to add a jetpack gimmick to ME3's gameplay mechanics.

* Hasn't played the game or seen anything beyond vague pre-launch trailers and a 4k tech reel.

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Post by ravenous on Nov 15, 2016 15:13:16 GMT

Nov 14, 2016 22:31:48 GMT Arcian said:

Nothing feels fresh or innovative. All they did was to add a jetpack gimmick to ME3's gameplay mechanics.

what's really REALLY fresh and innovative is people like you and certain others who have not seen any gameplay etc and yet all you do is whine and bitch about something that hasn't been shown yet and all I see is nothing but hate for something with little to no info. Instead of hating something how about waiting till the game comes out and then play it and then complain about ME:A, also if you really hate ME:A then why are you here?

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Nov 15, 2016 15:13:16 GMT ravenous said:

Nov 14, 2016 22:31:48 GMT Arcian said:

Nothing feels fresh or innovative. All they did was to add a jetpack gimmick to ME3's gameplay mechanics.

what's really REALLY fresh and innovative is people like you and certain others who have not seen any gameplay etc and yet all you do is whine and bitch about something that hasn't been shown yet and all I see is nothing but hate for something with little to no info. Instead of hating something how about waiting till the game comes out and then play it and then complain about ME:A, also if you really hate ME:A then why are you here?

I feel you on this mate, there are a couple people on the boards that are constantly hammering the game endlessly.....it must take so much energy to keep focus on something you dislike and keep coming back for more.

I come here to share in a joint love of Mass Effect and talk about the games of old and upcoming, sure: it's OK to be critical of things no doubt, but to keep flogging a dead horse is a waste of time and does nothing for the community except inject toxicity (something we don't need as a BioWare fanbase IMO).

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