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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 17, 2016 2:17:16 GMT
Personally, I'm torn and I feel like more and more bad things start adding up as time goes.
When it's just "cuz we're so adventurous and curious like when Humanity got in space for the first time" I have a strong feeling we won't get any more to it than that, maybe details about how or what but not why outside of maybe N7 Dad saying what drives him, and I'm sure they came up with good stories for the scenario of escaping the past permanently, but for the Mass Effect lore which was frankly already beyond repair, by the end-state of ME3, I feel they're digging further into a rabbit hole here, especially because they tease with the idea of how Andromeda's ultimate goal is re-linking with Milky Way after establishing its species in Andromeda, but it's just... such a half-baked choice IMO. We're getting as far away from the original canon as possible, amirite? Then why does it have to somehow tie into the past canon anyway? It makes the original material seem slightly less believable because now this contrived clusterfuck of an exploration initiative has become part of the old lore and then it teases with relinking to the past anyway, which means AFTER Synthesis/Destroy/Control.
Hopefully they'll forget once the game is out and just continue in Andromeda. I hope eventually the Andromeda story arc becomes the story at large about humans and aliens figuring out to look forward in a new stage of their species's lives and decide to drop the original purpose of the initiative. I'm not really fond of taking it back to whence it came, once we've just escaped the canonical destruction we so desperately wanted to forget.
Now if the Initiative fled because of the Reapers -- if it wasn't an initiative but a preparation or evacuation plan that had been planned in secret, none of this would even have to be addressed. We'd all know people escape because they think it's the end of their galaxy and they can't go back. To me that was a much better scenario and i don't care if BioWare wanted to have it the other way so they could make more interesting character motivations, because IMO you don't retrofit a plot to suit your themes to that extent. You can't just make anything happen as long as it matches your themes and expect it to be as effective.
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Post by Pearl on Nov 17, 2016 2:30:06 GMT
I don't give a fuck.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 17, 2016 2:42:50 GMT
I prefer it be unconnected to the Reapers. The fact that it was initiated in 2176 suggests that it truly began unconnected. Who knew about them, aside from Saren and a handful of other indoctrinated wackos?
I believe there will be a greater reason behind the Ai than "we spied valuable resources in Andromeda". I don't know what that reason will prove to be, and I doubt I'll find out what it is before arriving.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 17, 2016 2:45:35 GMT
especially because they tease with the idea of how Andromeda's ultimate goal is re-linking with Milky Way after establishing its species in Andromeda I know exactly what you mean. This whole reconnect with the MW is either a terrible idea, or a brilliant idea. I can't decide which. It will be terrible if it leads to bigger and bigger retcons. I'm totally resigned to the fact that MEA, installment #1, has to have a fair share of retcons just to get off the ground, but I'm hoping that it's all over and done with in #1 and doesn't carry over into #2, and #3, and #4, etc. It will be brilliant if they can figure out a way to do what effectively is a callback to the Reaper invasion, without the Andromeda characters actually understanding what is going on. The players will know what is going on, but the characters will only know some kind of galaxy-wide catastrophe happened. Contrive some way for the colonists, 600+ years later, to get a jumble of fragmentary information, with no details or explanations. The time gap is a problem, though. Andromeda can't wait for light from the MW to catch up, that will take millions of years. They can't even use a QEC, since that would give direct contact with post-RGB civilization in the MW, and avoiding dealing with that is one of the main reasons for the soft reboot in the first place. The conceit would have to be something like a message in a bottle. A messenger ship with the same drive-tech as the Arks, sent less than a year after the Andromeda expedition departed, perhaps just after Earth is invaded. But the ship is damaged or hijacked or otherwise randomized so that the coherent explanation of the Reaper invasion was lost. Ha, maybe the pieces of the message got distributed over a bunch of pirates and we have to spend part of installment #2 collecting all of them to piece together what happened.
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Post by dalinne on Nov 17, 2016 3:06:30 GMT
It's great not to fear the arrival of the doomsday machines every 50.000 years. 'Cos honestly? I think we can fuck it up in Andromeda much earlier and without any aid. See? Which barely arrive there and aliens hate us and they try to kill us! I give Andromeda 10 years top before we manage to destroy it.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 17, 2016 3:10:04 GMT
It has to have an explanation.
If we go just for the sake of exploring I will suspect some people at Bioware might actually suffer from some form of brain disability.
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Post by bshep on Nov 17, 2016 3:37:15 GMT
I prefer it be unconnected to the Reapers. The fact that it was initiated in 2176 suggests that it truly began unconnected. Who knew about them, aside from Saren and a handful of other indoctrinated wackos? I believe there will be a greater reason behind the Ai than "we spied valuable resources in Andromeda". I don't know what that reason will prove to be, and I doubt I'll find out what it is before arriving. Yeah i also believe there is somehting else behind the desire to learn and to explore Andromeda but i think we will only find out about it when the game is released. It would make things really dire to learn that everyone in the Milky Way is probably death and the people inside the Arks and Nexus are all the remains from those species that made the journey to Andromeda. It's great not to fear the arrival of the doomsday machines every 50.000 years. 'Cos honestly? I think we can fuck it up in Andromeda much earlier and without any aid. See? Which barely arrive there and aliens hate us and they try to kill us! I give Andromeda 10 years top before we manage to destroy it. #WeAreTheRealReapers #WeAreTheOneWhoKnocks #AndromedaSaveYourself #KettWereRight “You were warned! You were all warned! Watch now as the hands of the Reapers, the human invaders, lay ruin to all we hold dear!” “Repent! Repent and restore your souls to glory before it is too late! This great station has fallen, and all within shall fall with it!” “For the blight that is humanity stains all within its path, and the only chance at redemption lies in the Word!” “"Bring unto me the children, that I may watch them grow to soldiers for the cause!"” “Draw your weapons for the Word, my friends! Draw your weapons and fight, else certain doom awaits us all!” “Let not the lesser races steal our places within the purity! Obey the Word and repent with fire, oil, and guns!” “Sally forth and blaze gloriously through the stars!”
It has to have an explanation. If we go just for the sake of exploring I will suspect some people at Bioware might actually suffer from some form of brain disability. So how is calling the Devs retards supposed to help? If anything it only makes you been seen as immature.
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Post by felipejiraya on Nov 17, 2016 4:10:42 GMT
I really don't give a fuck but in these "initiation" videos we're just being fed propaganda about the AI so I wouldn't see the information they gave us as realiable (or truthful).
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 17, 2016 4:17:14 GMT
I really don't give a fuck but in these "initiation" videos we're just being fed propaganda about the AI so I wouldn't see the information they gave us as realiable (or truthful). I'm not sure why so many fail to understand this. It's a very cool marketing strategy they're employing, using these "in character" videos and assets. That should clue people in, though, that the "game" has already begun. Not only does prerelease marketing never include everything, but this marketing may include small bits of disinformation.
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Post by bshep on Nov 17, 2016 4:22:02 GMT
I really don't give a fuck but in these "initiation" videos we're just being fed propaganda about the AI so I wouldn't see the information they gave us as realiable (or truthful). I'm not sure why so many fail to understand this. It's a very cool marketing strategy they're employing, using these "in character" videos and assets. That should clue people in, though, that the "game" has already begun. Not only does prerelease marketing never include everything, but this marketing may include small bits of disinformation. Specially since those videos are supposed to be happening inside the universe. This is the "common knowledge" that most of the colonists will have.
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Post by Shaftell on Nov 17, 2016 4:25:38 GMT
I find it hard to get behind the premise of the game unless they clear up some stuff. For me, it doesn't make much sense to fund this huge project and head to Andromeda and wait it out for 600 years in the hopes of something happening. It's hard to believe that people would actually fund a project like this. However, if they left due to the Reapers, then it all makes sense for me.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 17, 2016 6:02:47 GMT
I think I like it slightly more then leaving due to the Reapers only because I would be nervous that the Reapers would again be the driving force of the story and I rather have something new to experience then something that feels like a rehash of the previous games. I find it hard to get behind the premise of the game unless they clear up some stuff. For me, it doesn't make much sense to fund this huge project and head to Andromeda and wait it out for 600 years in the hopes of something happening. It's hard to believe that people would actually fund a project like this. However, if they left due to the Reapers, then it all makes sense for me. While I agree, I personally wouldn't want to travel to Andromeda just to travel and explore there if anything the Mars One "contest" proves there are people that are willing to go on a one-way trip that could possibly kill them where they have no idea what they are getting into.
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Post by Nihilus on Nov 17, 2016 6:47:41 GMT
Yes. Leave the Reapers behind as much as possible, I'm ready for new things. The Reapers served their purpose in the trilogy, and they could serve a purpose in Andromeda as well. But please let it be in a hearsay capacity and maybe more later down the line. In a later installment, when bioware has figured out how to handle it all after the ME3 ending-debacle.
The more bioware go away from the Reapers, the less we need to hear about "artificial life is all bad" they tried to push on us. And I'm all for that. Let the players choose.
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Post by MissOuJ on Nov 17, 2016 7:01:09 GMT
I'm not absolutely 100% convinced the Reapers weren't at least partly, in the behind the scenes kind of way, the reason behind the AI, and IIRC, in one of the articles it's mentioned that the Reapers are at least referenced to.
What I think went down is that the AI received funding from various organizations (for example, the STG is mentioned in ME3 as having believed Shepard, the Alliance brass under Hackett etc. - also, about 95% sure that Cerberus infiltrated it) and the people at the top knew but that the regular folk who joined up got the "see the sights, be the space cowboy" speech and have no clue that the Reapers exist / are coming. That way you do get the logical connection to the original series and the new people get to have other, more interesting motives than "we're all going to die, abandon the galaxy".
But I might be wrong.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Nov 17, 2016 7:22:59 GMT
I feel good about it. Eight or nine years is already a tight schedule for launching a trip to another galaxy. Likewise, the entire galaxy coming together to build something like the Crucible in a few months is straining believability past the breaking point. If they'd decided to retcon it so that everyone was working on the Crucible except those people who managed to put together a colonization mission to another galaxy in less than 2 years, well... Well I'd probably just roll my eyes really hard and move on. But it would be way more absurd than what they've gone with.
Honestly, in a galaxy of hundreds of billions, a few crazy financiers wanting to fund a mission to Andromeda just because it's there doesn't seem that unrealistic to me.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 17, 2016 7:38:20 GMT
I agree with people that said that the orientation video seems to be propaganda, which might hide a secret reason for going to Andromeda. They teased about that in a tweet, and they also said Reapers will be mentioned. So it's still possible the secret, real reason for the project is to avoid the Reapers.
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Post by Fredward on Nov 17, 2016 7:53:32 GMT
Don't particularly like the face that "CUZ EXPLORATION!" is the reason but I like it better than running away from the Reapers. If that had been the premise Andromeda would've had a permanently backward facing thing going on. What happened to the old galaxy? Should we go back to help? Are the reapers coming here next? Should we prepare? How many Earth memorials are too many? Are we the cowards? etc.
However you feel about it it's pretty clear Bioware is done with the original trilogy and the Reapers. If anything they should've cut that bit out about establishing a connection with the old galaxy, I imagine that's gonna be framed as something so far from infrastructural plausibility that it's outside the game(s) time frame.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 17, 2016 8:09:09 GMT
I understand that they wanted to give their characters different motivations, hence the "Do you want to build a colony? Come on let's go and explore..." stuff from Jien. Technical limitations, common sense limitations, resource limitations and so on - I'm still open to what Bioware has to say on this. Even if I'm already prepared to roll with what they gave out already. ...Come on let's go and explore You'll never see MW anymore Come out your world You'll like to fly away... We used to be travelers And now you are not I wish you would join AI! Do you want yo build a colony? It doesn't have to be a colony Vorcha: Argh! You go away! Jien: Okay, bye... I prefer it be unconnected to the Reapers. The fact that it was initiated in 2176 Are you sure about that? Perhaps you could give me a link to some ME site with this date on it?
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Post by zlojeb on Nov 17, 2016 9:28:50 GMT
I love it. It makes the retcon bearable. Were they leaving solely to flee from Reapers, it would just mess with ME3 so much, with everyone talking about Reaper War and Crucible as a last ditch effort etc.
Also would be nice to not have Reapers mentioned ever again, but they already said they will mention them. At least no Reapers in the opening scenes, yay!
Edit: I also don't see a problem with reconnecting with Milky Way way later down the road, ME3 endings do not matter that far in the future. Stargazer scene is always the same, whatever Shep did, that guy will tell his kid the story of the Shep. Except refusal, fuck that ending.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 17, 2016 9:32:46 GMT
with everyone talking about Reaper War and Crucible as a last ditch effort etc. Check your timeline, there were no Crucibles and Reaper Wars before ME3.
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Post by zlojeb on Nov 17, 2016 9:37:22 GMT
with everyone talking about Reaper War and Crucible as a last ditch effort etc. Check your timeline, there were no Crucibles and Reaper Wars before ME3. I obviously meant during ME3. Since AI launched before ME3, people would know and not call Reaper War end of humanity and other races.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 17, 2016 9:54:57 GMT
I think it's great that it has nothing to do with the Reapeers. The Reapers were the big bad of the trilogy and this is a new game. It will have a new big bad. It's also supposed to be accessible to people who never played the original so what would be the point of forming the whole basis of the premise on a threat that the new player doesn't know anything about and which was already defeated anyway?
I also really like the intrepid explorer reason. Human history is littered with humanity's spirit of exploration. Being the first to climb the highest mountain, setting foot on the moon. These things weren't done for common-sense reasons or financial reasons or for anything other than the desire to do something nobody has ever managed to do before. I like to think that it's that spirit which sets Humanity above the other species in the Galaxy. It's how we've risen so far so fast since we discovered the other races. An intrepid, indomitable, spirit of adventure.
If I found out we're just going to Andromeda because we're running away I'd be pretty disappointed, to be honest.
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Post by traks on Nov 17, 2016 10:12:55 GMT
We don't know the reason of why we are going to Andromeda yet - at least I hope - so I think it's too early for the opening question of this thread.
All we know is that the Andromeda Initiative was founded independently from the Reaper threat - which makes sense from a scientific reason asking "is intergalactic travel possible" - but the timing of the arks taking off might still have something to do with Sovereign's attack on the Citadel. Or with Human colonies getting abducted by Collector's. Or with dark energy destroying planets. Or with a foreseen war with the Batarians or...
IMO they have to give us an in-game/in-universe reason for going to Andromeda other than exploration - because a 600 year cryo sleep without a bigger reason to leave really sounds stupid. So I will ask "why are we going" until we get an answer, but at the same time I also won't panic regarding the setting until we know.
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Post by traks on Nov 17, 2016 10:15:07 GMT
I think it's great that it has nothing to do with the Reapeers. The Reapers were the big bad of the trilogy and this is a new game. It will have a new big bad. It's also supposed to be accessible to people who never played the original so what would be the point of forming the whole basis of the premise on a threat that the new player doesn't know anything about and which was already defeated anyway? I also really like the intrepid explorer reason. Human history is littered with humanity's spirit of exploration. Being the first to climb the highest mountain, setting foot on the moon. These things weren't done for common-sense reasons or financial reasons or for anything other than the desire to do something nobody has ever managed to do before. I like to think that it's that spirit which sets Humanity above the other species in the Galaxy. It's how we've risen so far so fast since we discovered the other races. An intrepid, indomitable, spirit of adventure. If I found out we're just going to Andromeda because we're running away I'd be pretty disappointed, to be honest. Why should we be above other species? Another question: if you just want to find out if it is possible to go there and what's going on there etc. why leave with arks with a population of up to 100k (maybe in total - but still) as far as we know?
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