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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 17, 2016 10:45:50 GMT
Just make a thread about why you don't like MEA, OP. You already said how you feel about this scenario before, it's getting annoying that 80% of new threads is you saying the same things over and over again. We get it.
Sighs. Topic - wise, it's better this way. We get more varied motivations from the characters and avoid the melancholy that was ME3 due to the war, everyone is free from the Reapers, and so is the writing, leaving the room for something fresh again.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 17, 2016 10:58:39 GMT
Just make a thread about why you don't like MEA, OP. You already said how you feel about this scenario before, it's getting annoying that 80% of new threads is you saying the same things over and over again. We get it. Sighs. Topic - wise, it's better this way. We get more varied motivations from the characters and avoid the melancholy that was ME3 due to the war, everyone is free from the Reapers, and so is the writing, leaving the room for something fresh again. I agree 100% regarding it being better in terms of motivations and avoiding melancholic story tone. At first, I must admit, I was thinking "they must be running from the Reapers, otherwise what's the use!!"....but then I thought about it, and I see it like this: when the ARKs disembark the Milky Way in 2185 humanity is at it's technological and galactic apex, we recently came to save the day at the Battle of the Citadel, we are growing exponentially across the galaxy and we have just been granted a much lauded seat on the council. This is one of the reasons I see leaving in 2185 to be a perfect time for an exploratory mission both thematically and motivationally: we are explorers by nature, this is a great next step with humanity taking the initiative once again on the galactic stage. There may be some backers/organisations/groups of the AI that are involved due to the perceived/proven Reaper threat (from ME1/ME2 events, Sovereign etc): but I like how the 'official line' is exploration and discovery, firmly rooted in expanding horizons. Let's explore and discover unknown things, I'm sure multiple surprises are in store regardless, let's just enjoy the premise for a bit. |
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 17, 2016 11:09:22 GMT
Just make a thread about why you don't like MEA, OP. You already said how you feel about this scenario before, it's getting annoying that 80% of new threads is you saying the same things over and over again. We get it. Sighs. Topic - wise, it's better this way. We get more varied motivations from the characters and avoid the melancholy that was ME3 due to the war, everyone is free from the Reapers, and so is the writing, leaving the room for something fresh again. Let's explore and discover unknown things, I'm sure multiple surprises are in store regardless, let's just enjoy the premise for a bit. We can't forbid people to enjoy stuff they see, can we?  If only people didn't enjoy different stuff. This "Stop being excited when I'm not!" vs "I want to read hype-threads not your gibberish complaints" circlejerking is getting more prominent every day for some reason. Should we make separate "ME pessimism" and "ME optimism" subforums?  *sigh* I went off-topic again, move along citizen. |
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Post by helios969 on Nov 17, 2016 11:13:38 GMT
Pretty dumb imo. I simply do not believe it is feasible for private individuals to finance the scope of the AI, nor over the stated period the people were assembled, trained, and the arks designed and constructed. It's barely believable that the collective resources of all the races could bring such an ambitious project to fruition, but at least in the context of the Reaper invasion it's believable that everyone would be extra-motivated given the prospect of extinction. I'd much prefer that it started as an ambitious private venture that eventually is taken over by the council races as a contingency plan against the Reaper threat. With the stated reasons and goals, my immersion is busted. Bio needs to reevaluate. They've invested significant time and money into MEA, there's no need to risk the overall success because a few people want to be stubborn and distance themselves from the previous trilogy to the extent of outright ignoring it and everything that came before. All they have to do is leave around the time the Reapers show up and all the ending controversy is avoided.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 11:19:02 GMT
I don't care, tbh. I'm not expecting Nobel-prize level of storytelling. If things make reasonably sense, I can live with it. This is after all science fiction and a video game we are talking about. I just want to have a nice adventure, a bit of hot romance and lot's of shooting action!
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Post by javeart on Nov 17, 2016 11:23:26 GMT
It might not sound particularly realistic the idea of going to andromeda for the sake of exploration or whatever, but the truth it's I'm with those who doesn't really care. If they sell me a vaguely convincing story, I'll take it and let it be, and I'd be happy to leave reapers behind. What's the point in keeping them without Shepard and the MW? We're starting fresh, so be it
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Post by shechinah on Nov 17, 2016 11:28:31 GMT
GrimjowOnMars @grimjowonmars @yanickrroy Is the Andromeda Initiative a way to escape the reapers? We know the launch is 2185 (ME2) Will be connections between stories? Yanick Roy @yanickrroy @grimjowonmars These are not people running away from danger, they are racing toward the biggest adventure in humankind's history GrimjowOnMars @grimjowonmars @yanickrroy Ok thx. But is there no other reason than "we go to andromeda because we can" ? Everyone on forums ask what is the link ME/ME:A Yanick Roy @yanickrroy @grimjowonmars Oh, you're asking if there are secret reasons? If I told you, I wouldn't be very good at keeping secrets... ;-) GrimjowOnMars @grimjowonmars @yanickrroy haha you got me, thanks  I hold to my theory that the Andromeda Iniative is secretly a failsafe meant to prevent complete extintion in the case of a Reaper invasion which is also why it's going to a galaxy where there is no relays and why it is geared towards self-sustained colonization. We know a few of the people aboard know about the Reapers and I think these are people like Alec Ryder. Most people aboard don't the iniative's secret purpose and are not told for a number of reasons: chiefly to prevent the information from being leaked to the public and to prevent them from developing issues, emotional and psychologial, like discovering the people left behind might die horribly and that they might be the last of their kind. |
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Post by traks on Nov 17, 2016 11:52:55 GMT
GrimjowOnMars @grimjowonmars @yanickrroy Is the Andromeda Initiative a way to escape the reapers? We know the launch is 2185 (ME2) Will be connections between stories? Yanick Roy @yanickrroy @grimjowonmars These are not people running away from danger, they are racing toward the biggest adventure in humankind's history GrimjowOnMars @grimjowonmars @yanickrroy Ok thx. But is there no other reason than "we go to andromeda because we can" ? Everyone on forums ask what is the link ME/ME:A Yanick Roy @yanickrroy @grimjowonmars Oh, you're asking if there are secret reasons? If I told you, I wouldn't be very good at keeping secrets... ;-) GrimjowOnMars @grimjowonmars @yanickrroy haha you got me, thanks I hold to my theory that the Andromeda Iniative is secretly a failsafe meant to prevent complete extintion in the case of a Reaper invasion which is also why it's going to a galaxy where there is no relays and why it is geared towards self-sustained colonization. We know a few of the people aboard know about the Reapers and I think these are people like Alec Ryder. Most people aboard don't the iniative's secret purpose and are not told for a number of reasons: chiefly to prevent the information from being leaked to the public and to prevent them from developing issues, emotional and psychologial, like discovering the people left behind might die horribly and that they might be the last of their kind. Very strange that we search for a new homeworld while not being in danger... |
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 17, 2016 12:00:09 GMT
Why should we be above other species? Another question: if you just want to find out if it is possible to go there and what's going on there etc. why leave with arks with a population of up to 100k (maybe in total - but still) as far as we know? No reason why we should be above other species but I like it when we are. Being a human I like to root for the humans The go-getter attitude, curious, intrepid, adaptable. In D&D humans used to be the only race to be able to multi-class freely. They get extra skill points and feats because the advantage of humans over the others is that we are a younger more adventurous, more adaptable race. Many fantasy settings have that theme, I believe Star Trek had that theme. In Mass Effect it's why we gained council status in such a short amount of time. Humanity is impressive in its ability to learn and adapt quicker than the other races. It's a trope I like. They could imagine a world where humanity is slower than the other races but I much prefer it when we're the ones who are always pushing for change and improvement and new experiences swiftly overtaking the old guard and their more reserved and methodical ways. The stated premise for Andromeda plays right into that theme, for me. As for the population, it's a way to create a potential continuation of the species in the new Galaxy. Establishing a permanent presence there is as much a part of the accomplishment as travelling there. It just makes the undertaking that much more brilliant in its scope and audacity. What's not to love? |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 17, 2016 12:03:44 GMT
Just make a thread about why you don't like MEA, OP. You already said how you feel about this scenario before, it's getting annoying that 80% of new threads is you saying the same things over and over again. We get it. Sighs. Topic - wise, it's better this way. We get more varied motivations from the characters and avoid the melancholy that was ME3 due to the war, everyone is free from the Reapers, and so is the writing, leaving the room for something fresh again. I agree 100% regarding it being better in terms of motivations and avoiding melancholic story tone. At first, I must admit, I was thinking "they must be running from the Reapers, otherwise what's the use!!"....but then I thought about it, and I see it like this: when the ARKs disembark the Milky Way in 2185 humanity is at it's technological and galactic apex, we recently came to save the day at the Battle of the Citadel, we are growing exponentially across the galaxy and we have just been granted a much lauded seat on the council. This is one of the reasons I see leaving in 2185 to be a perfect time for an exploratory mission both thematically and motivationally: we are explorers by nature, this is a great next step with humanity taking the initiative once again on the galactic stage. There may be some backers/organisations/groups of the AI that are involved due to the perceived/proven Reaper threat (from ME1/ME2 events, Sovereign etc): but I like how the 'official line' is exploration and discovery, firmly rooted in expanding horizons. Let's explore and discover unknown things, I'm sure multiple surprises are in store regardless, let's just enjoy the premise for a bit. Pretty much this. I'm tired of the Reapers, what's the point of moving to the MW is we will be constantly crying over those who we left behind to be annihilated by the Reapers, and that all we know, is possibly gone. That's why ME3 will be awesome - wait, I meant MEA. Hold on, I'm confused now... |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 17, 2016 12:05:53 GMT
I hold to my theory that the Andromeda Iniative is secretly a failsafe meant to prevent complete extintion in the case of a Reaper invasion which is also why it's going to a galaxy where there is no relays and why it is geared towards self-sustained colonization. We know a few of the people aboard know about the Reapers and I think these are people like Alec Ryder. Most people aboard don't the iniative's secret purpose and are not told for a number of reasons: chiefly to prevent the information from being leaked to the public and to prevent them from developing issues, emotional and psychologial, like discovering the people left behind might die horribly and that they might be the last of their kind. Very strange that we search for a new homeworld while not being in danger... Like how England colonized America and whatnot? Come on now. If you can, and want to do it, there's nothing stopping you from doing so. Like Andromeda. |
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Post by themikefest on Nov 17, 2016 12:11:38 GMT
I will miss Harbinger. ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL. Yeah I know. I can play ME2 at anytime.
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Post by traks on Nov 17, 2016 12:13:17 GMT
Very strange that we search for a new homeworld while not being in danger... Like how England colonized America and whatnot? Come on now. If you can, and want to do it, there's nothing stopping you from doing so. Like Andromeda. Doesn't add up with 600 years of cryo sleep going into the unknown. Too dangerous to go on an adventure with that many people. With 150 explorers? Sure, why not. With 100k on arks to found an alternate culture? Come on now yourself! |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 17, 2016 12:20:35 GMT
Like how England colonized America and whatnot? Come on now. If you can, and want to do it, there's nothing stopping you from doing so. Like Andromeda. Doesn't add up with 600 years of cryo sleep going into the unknown. Too dangerous to go on an adventure with that many people. With 150 explorers? Sure, why not. With 100k on arks to found an alternate culture? Come on now yourself! So, they knew everything from the get-go? And sure, somehow the presumed 100k volunteers from a galaxy of trillions and much more, who are aware of the risks and everything, that willingly share the same goal of reaching Andromeda, doesn't add up to you. #logic |
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Post by traks on Nov 17, 2016 12:23:00 GMT
Doesn't add up with 600 years of cryo sleep going into the unknown. Too dangerous to go on an adventure with that many people. With 150 explorers? Sure, why not. With 100k on arks to found an alternate culture? Come on now yourself! So, they knew everything from the get-go? And sure, somehow the presumed 100k volunteers who are aware of the risks and everything, that willingly share the same goal of reaching Andromeda, doesn't add up for you. #logic Yeah, I just think that for individuals you can find reasons to go on an exploratory ride like that. A bit nuts, but Ok. But for such a big group, IMO there should be an underlying bigger reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 12:27:43 GMT
They screwed the pooch and MEA is a massive two fingers to those who played the original trilogy. Let's be honest here.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 17, 2016 12:33:06 GMT
They screwed the pooch and MEA is a massive two fingers to those who played the original trilogy. Let's be honest here. The trilogy is still there, untouchable. No one is forcing you to buy Andromeda, but you will anyways. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 12:40:45 GMT
They screwed the pooch and MEA is a massive two fingers to those who played the original trilogy. Let's be honest here. The trilogy is still there, untouchable. No one is forcing you to buy Andromeda, but you will anyways. you are of course absolutely correct. To be honest tho I don't know where I'm going to find the time to play it with so many great games out there now. |
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 17, 2016 12:55:45 GMT
It has to have an explanation. If we go just for the sake of exploring I will suspect some people at Bioware might actually suffer from some form of brain disability. So how is calling the Devs retards supposed to help? If anything it only makes you been seen as immature.  As much as taking me literally I suppose. And technically I'm not calling them retards, I'm saying I will suspect it if their explanation for the AI is one that has absultely no place in a universe that wants to be taken seriously. |
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Post by fade9wayz on Nov 17, 2016 14:01:39 GMT
I hold to my theory that the Andromeda Iniative is secretly a failsafe meant to prevent complete extintion in the case of a Reaper invasion which is also why it's going to a galaxy where there is no relays and why it is geared towards self-sustained colonization. We know a few of the people aboard know about the Reapers and I think these are people like Alec Ryder. Most people aboard don't the iniative's secret purpose and are not told for a number of reasons: chiefly to prevent the information from being leaked to the public and to prevent them from developing issues, emotional and psychologial, like discovering the people left behind might die horribly and that they might be the last of their kind. Very strange that we search for a new homeworld while not being in danger... Well, technically, they aren't into imediate danger since they leave before ME3... |
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 17, 2016 14:10:34 GMT
I understand that they wanted to give their characters different motivations, hence the "Do you want to build a colony? Come on let's go and explore..." stuff from Jien. Technical limitations, common sense limitations, resource limitations and so on - I'm still open to what Bioware has to say on this. Even if I'm already prepared to roll with what they gave out already. ...Come on let's go and explore
You'll never see MW anymore
Come out your world
You'll like to fly away...
We used to be travelers
And now you are not
I wish you would join AI!
Do you want yo build a colony?
It doesn't have to be a colony
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Okay, bye... I prefer it be unconnected to the Reapers. The fact that it was initiated in 2176 Are you sure about that? Perhaps you could give me a link to some ME site with this date on it?  While watching the first Andromeda Initiative briefing video, you click on the "Tell me more about the Andromeda Initiative?" button and that is where they mention it. Here is the full quote. |
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Post by Adhin on Nov 17, 2016 14:28:32 GMT
I for one am glad that's not the 'primary' reason. I'm sure Reapers are somehow involved as motivation in the background at some point in the project but I'm glad it wasn't the reason it got started. I also like that that's not the public reasoning.
Said it before, I'll say it again now - why did we go to the Moon? Because we wanted to prove we could, because it hadn't ever been done before. Well, at least publicly. On a government level it was a giant middle finger to Russia, countries having a childish pissing contest. Hell of a lot of good stuff came outa that pissing contest though.
Anyway, that's how I see it. Original reason/public reason is the whole because we can, because it's difficult blah blah. Which is good because it means all the people who signed on (that also got on) aren't running away all for the same reason. Cause that would be BORING. I mean, we had 3 games in a row that was all 'Waaah the REAPERS' Oh no the REAPERS. Fuck the Reapers, and fuck everyone whining about the Reapers... shit.
...last thing we needed was a 4th game about a bunch of people who jumped galaxies just to whine about Reapers s'more.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 17, 2016 14:33:59 GMT
Are you sure about that? Perhaps you could give me a link to some ME site with this date on it? While watching the first Andromeda Initiative briefing video, you click on the "Tell me more about the Andromeda Initiative?" button and that is where they mention it. Here is the full quote. Ah, thanks, forgot about this one. I was just wondering why they removed it from timeline page. |
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Post by HK90210 on Nov 17, 2016 14:37:31 GMT
I doubt the open reason for the Andromeda Initiative is the Reapers. We're getting the PR reasons. But I'm willing to bet that at some point Ryder will be informed, as the Pathfinder, that we MUST find a home for humanity in Andromeda, since there is no going back to the Milky Way. Why? Because by now, the Reapers may have won.
It'd make a good scene, right? You have naysayers panicking about never finding a homeworld for humanity. Saying they'd be better off heading back to the Milky Way. After all, the Nexus and the Arks are still operational. No reason they can't be used for a return trip, especially if we abandon a lot of the cargo and just take the people. Then someone who knew about the Reapers reveals that this is impossible.
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