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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 21, 2016 2:54:50 GMT
This retcon thingy makes no sense. After the Reapers have supposedly destroyed Earth and eradicated mankind, why would the humans that managed to spawn a succesful colonisation in Andromeda bother to return to a destroyed galaxy? They would just remain where they are and forget about the Milky Way. To the descendants of the original colonists, Earth would no longer be their home planet, but the new Andromedan world where they were born. They MIGHT attempt an expedition to Earth just out of curiosity, but even then, they'd know everything was destroyed. Remember, the Reapers leave NO TRACE WHATSOEVER of past civilisations behind. In ME1, it's stated quite clearly that it was odd how the Protheans left almost no trace of their civilisation. The same thing will have happened to humanity on Earth. So a trip could be made out of curiosity, but seeing as the Andromedan humans would find nothing relevant there, they wouldn't keep returning to a destroyed world. Not sure if I'm understanding where you're coming from, are you saying you chose refuse at the end? If so, I get what you mean...otherwise, why would coming back to the MW involve a destroyed galaxy? My Shepard saved the day, oh and also: Had a final showdown with Harby post 'breath', and we are yet to know the final outcome of the Indoctrinated waking....
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 21, 2016 3:40:04 GMT
Yep. Pick destroy. Or don't pick one of the endings, but an ending that wasn't in the game? hahaha After the coup, Hackett mentions that its believed the crucible has enough energy to destroy the reapers. Ok. So let the reapers be destroyed. Once the crucible docks with the Citadel, and after the arms are opened, it fires its bag of goodies throughout the galaxy destroying the reapers. What this does is it gets rid of the magic carpet ride up to lala land. It gets rid of the catalyst aka intellligence aka Leviathan turd. It gets rid of you do not know them and there's not enough time to explain comment. It gets rid of synthesis is the final evolution of all life comment. It gets rid of pull this, jump in that and shoot here endings. My personal preference is to remake the trilogy I like the idea of giving the finger to all the endings in Mass Effect 3 and have people boarding The Citadel at the start of the game finding a recording of Shepard hallucinating as they bled out next to Anderson and something completely different actually happened. That way you avoid all the "favorite ending" and "galaxy changed" issues while keeping the majority of the lore in place. Now I really don't care one way or the other about leaving the Milky Way since it isn't going to be a surprise since they have been saying this one plot point for years, I think it would have been different if they didn't say anything and when I play the game for the first time that is the first time I learn of it. Just an aside I think remaking the trilogy would have been a bad choice because of how people would have expectations of what should be focused on, changed, or improved upon and that would just have created a more negative bubble around the game. Maybe they can go back in a few more years and try then, but right now I think too many people would be looking for a way to proclaim its failure before it even has a chance.
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Post by DragonEffect on Nov 21, 2016 4:42:44 GMT
This retcon thingy makes no sense. After the Reapers have supposedly destroyed Earth and eradicated mankind, why would the humans that managed to spawn a succesful colonisation in Andromeda bother to return to a destroyed galaxy? They would just remain where they are and forget about the Milky Way. To the descendants of the original colonists, Earth would no longer be their home planet, but the new Andromedan world where they were born. They MIGHT attempt an expedition to Earth just out of curiosity, but even then, they'd know everything was destroyed. Remember, the Reapers leave NO TRACE WHATSOEVER of past civilisations behind. In ME1, it's stated quite clearly that it was odd how the Protheans left almost no trace of their civilisation. The same thing will have happened to humanity on Earth. So a trip could be made out of curiosity, but seeing as the Andromedan humans would find nothing relevant there, they wouldn't keep returning to a destroyed world. Not sure if I'm understanding where you're coming from, are you saying you chose refuse at the end? If so, I get what you mean...otherwise, why would coming back to the MW involve a destroyed galaxy? My Shepard saved the day, oh and also: Had a final showdown with Harby post 'breath', and we are yet to know the final outcome of the Indoctrinated waking.... Well, I departed from the premise that motivated the creation of the Andromeda Initiative. That, at some point, after seeing the level of destruction caused by the Reapers, the highest authorities in the galaxy concluded that the worst case scenario (Reapers harvest entire galaxy) seemed almost inevitable. So, after 600 years, should the colonists in Andromeda hear nothing from the humans in the Milky Way, they would be forced to conclude that human life in there went extinct. Therefore, there would be no reason for them to visit the Milky Way, except to satiate their curiosity about Earth. But you're right. Since there are 4 possible endings, there's every possibility the colonists may return to find a restored galaxy. After all, Earth has had a minimum of 600 years to rebuild. About your Shepard: 1_ He kicks ass! 2_ Maybe the indoctrinated woke up? Or now obey the will of Shepard (should they choose Control). Which means Shepard controls Cerberus. Or rather, what's left of it...
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 21, 2016 5:24:04 GMT
Not sure if I'm understanding where you're coming from, are you saying you chose refuse at the end? If so, I get what you mean...otherwise, why would coming back to the MW involve a destroyed galaxy? My Shepard saved the day, oh and also: Had a final showdown with Harby post 'breath', and we are yet to know the final outcome of the Indoctrinated waking.... Well, I departed from the premise that motivated the creation of the Andromeda Initiative. That, at some point, after seeing the level of destruction caused by the Reapers, the highest authorities in the galaxy concluded that the worst case scenario (Reapers harvest entire galaxy) seemed almost inevitable. So, after 600 years, should the colonists in Andromeda hear nothing from the humans in the Milky Way, they would be forced to conclude that human life in there went extinct. Therefore, there would be no reason for them to visit the Milky Way, except to satiate their curiosity about Earth. But you're right. Since there are 4 possible endings, there's every possibility the colonists may return to find a restored galaxy. After all, Earth has had a minimum of 600 years to rebuild. About your Shepard: 1_ He kicks ass! 2_ Maybe the indoctrinated woke up? Or now obey the will of Shepard (should they choose Control). Which means Shepard controls Cerberus. Or rather, what's left of it... That's the thing I absolutely adore about Indoctrination Theory, to me, it enhances the current endings to the point where there is still mystery and wonder in their seemingly absolute directions. I really like how you've highlighted the 600 years as a pivotal factor in the fate of the Milky Way: I like to RP that after that length of time, communication (a new form of QEC perhaps?) will make a link between Galaxies eventually possible, and no matter what ending we chose: somehow a connect can happen at the conclusion of the Andromeda series of games. I would love for Humanity to be flourishing in both galaxies and an eventual re-connect with our long recovering cousins in the Milky Way being possible. Obviously, I'm theorycrafting up a storm and headcanonning the frak out of all this, but one can dream....
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Nov 21, 2016 5:28:48 GMT
We don't know for sure that no one involved in the project knew about the reapers. But the volunteers don't know, and I'm good with that. It will create a greater breadth of motivation for being there, which is more interesting than everyone having essentially the same 'flee the reapers' background.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 21, 2016 6:32:12 GMT
Well, I departed from the premise that motivated the creation of the Andromeda Initiative. That, at some point, after seeing the level of destruction caused by the Reapers, the highest authorities in the galaxy concluded that the worst case scenario (Reapers harvest entire galaxy) seemed almost inevitable. So, after 600 years, should the colonists in Andromeda hear nothing from the humans in the Milky Way, they would be forced to conclude that human life in there went extinct. Therefore, there would be no reason for them to visit the Milky Way, except to satiate their curiosity about Earth. But you're right. Since there are 4 possible endings, there's every possibility the colonists may return to find a restored galaxy. After all, Earth has had a minimum of 600 years to rebuild. About your Shepard: 1_ He kicks ass! 2_ Maybe the indoctrinated woke up? Or now obey the will of Shepard (should they choose Control). Which means Shepard controls Cerberus. Or rather, what's left of it... In my opinion knowledge about The Reapers will depend greatly on when the Initiative leaves, for it is formed prior to Mass Effect 1 so the reasoning at least at the very start won't have anything to do with The Reapers and their actions. Now if they do leave prior to Mass Effect 2 which I am thinking might be the case since they have the sendoff 2015 N7 Day video where Shepard sends them off, I would think The Reapers would have been thought of differently then what will have happened if they left at the time of Mass Effect 3. The way I look at returning to the Milky Way is that it will be based more on mission protocols or technology limitations such as damage then the possibility of extinction in the Milky Way.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 21, 2016 7:57:52 GMT
I guess I'm repeating myself, but I'm not buying this 1200 years long investment into mining andromedian Palladium thing. Just read it, it's gibberish and they even managed to write three sentences with two of them contradicting each other. In my opinion knowledge about The Reapers will depend greatly on when the Initiative leaves, for it is formed prior to Mass Effect 1 so the reasoning at least at the very start won't have anything to do with The Reapers and their actions. Now if they do leave prior to Mass Effect 2 which I am thinking might be the case since they have the sendoff 2015 N7 Day video where Shepard sends them off, I would think The Reapers would have been thought of differently then what will have happened if they left at the time of Mass Effect 3. The way I look at returning to the Milky Way is that it will be based more on mission protocols or technology limitations such as damage then the possibility of extinction in the Milky Way. That's not entirely true even if word "Reapers" isn't used until 2185. We have 50k+ and older Prothean ruins, the fact of their sudden disappearance is widely known in-game long before First Contact. Now the only thing they need to start drawing conclusions is to discover 100k+ years old advanced civilization. Or someone to discover functioning Beacon before Shepard. If they Shepard could saw something from it then someone else could do it as well. Even better if that early found Beacon was somehow mentioned in-game, then there would be even less stuff to retcon.
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Post by javeart on Nov 21, 2016 9:10:11 GMT
We don't know for sure that no one involved in the project knew about the reapers. But the volunteers don't know, and I'm good with that. It will create a greater breadth of motivation for being there, which is more interesting than everyone having essentially the same 'flee the reapers' background. That's the thing, I understand more though, objections against the viability of the project itself, but however you feel about the fact that some people actually manage to put in motion a plan like that for whatever reason, you can always find another motivation for your character... And in the end, I think that's what rally matters. Having your family enlisted, makes it kind of easy in fact, because if nothing else you can always go with wanting to help them survive or something like that.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Nov 21, 2016 9:28:55 GMT
We don't know for sure that no one involved in the project knew about the reapers. But the volunteers don't know, and I'm good with that. It will create a greater breadth of motivation for being there, which is more interesting than everyone having essentially the same 'flee the reapers' background. That's the thing, I understand more though, objections against the viability of the project itself, but however you feel about the fact that some people actually manage to put in motion a plan like that for whatever reason, you can always find another motivation for your character... And in the end, I think that's what rally matters. Having your family enlisted, makes it kind of easy in fact, because if nothing else you can always go with wanting to help them survive or something like that. I was talking about the npcs we're going to talk to rather than the PC. When we talk to them about why they came to andromeda they'll have lots of different reasons, not just "we had to flee the reapers".
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Post by javeart on Nov 21, 2016 9:48:10 GMT
That's the thing, I understand more though, objections against the viability of the project itself, but however you feel about the fact that some people actually manage to put in motion a plan like that for whatever reason, you can always find another motivation for your character... And in the end, I think that's what rally matters. Having your family enlisted, makes it kind of easy in fact, because if nothing else you can always go with wanting to help them survive or something like that. I was talking about the npcs we're going to talk to rather than the PC. When we talk to them about why they came to andromeda they'll have lots of different reasons, not just "we had to flee the reapers". Oops, I totally misunderstood, I'm re-reading now and I'm seeing it, sorry And now that I know what actually said I agree, that's a nice side-effect
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 21, 2016 16:47:27 GMT
A lot of people were complaining that the time and resources weren't available to create these arks in response to a Reaper invasion. Now that's set aside.
Based on the maps we've seen, it looks like the entire Milky Way Galaxy is basically explored and still would have been in 2176. (I think that's the date I remember hearing for when the project was started.) Sure, it's not all colonized but it's pretty well known. Andromeda is something else. It allows us to explore beyond the boundaries of the mass effect relays.
So, say, an interested group of investors decided this was a great idea. They got things rolling, knowing it would take decades to launch. And when they did finally launch - well, didn't one of the trailers have Shepard giving them a goodbye or something like that? Maybe that meant they launched earlier than expected so that the various races could survive in the event that the Reapers won. Or not. Whatever. I'm all for the spirit of adventure. If we had more of that in the real world we might already be on other planets.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 21, 2016 18:51:18 GMT
A lot of people were complaining that the time and resources weren't available to create these arks in response to a Reaper invasion. Now that's set aside. Based on the maps we've seen, it looks like the entire Milky Way Galaxy is basically explored and still would have been in 2176. (I think that's the date I remember hearing for when the project was started.) Sure, it's not all colonized but it's pretty well known. Andromeda is something else. It allows us to explore beyond the boundaries of the mass effect relays. So, say, an interested group of investors decided this was a great idea. They got things rolling, knowing it would take decades to launch. And when they did finally launch - well, didn't one of the trailers have Shepard giving them a goodbye or something like that? Maybe that meant they launched earlier than expected so that the various races could survive in the event that the Reapers won. Or not. Whatever. I'm all for the spirit of adventure. If we had more of that in the real world we might already be on other planets. I'll preface my comment by restating how supportive I am of MEA. With that out of the way... We have absolutely not explored the entire Milky Way. We've explored only the tiny fraction which the Reapers paved for us. Anywhere in the galaxy that doesn't have Reaper highways-- Mass Relays-- is unexplored. There are also many sections of the Relay Network that are unexplored. This is why the Codex could rightly say that we, the Citadel species, have only explored about 1% of the Milky Way galaxy. Being forced to abandon the Milky Way and the near future timeline so quickly is the great tragedy of the ME3 endings. There is still so much there to explore that it's impossible for the human mind to truly grasp. I long ago accepted the Andromeda premise, but I'll always wish it could've been different. ME should still be a story about the near future exploration of our own galactic backyard. Casey's salt-the-earth ending, and BioWare's stand on "canon endings", make Andromeda a necessity.
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Post by Artemis on Nov 21, 2016 19:28:50 GMT
I really don't give a fuck but in these "initiation" videos we're just being fed propaganda about the AI so I wouldn't see the information they gave us as realiable (or truthful). There's another initiation video? Urgh. I signed up for the stupid Initiative but haven't gotten anything since that first email (and the introduction of Jian).
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 21, 2016 19:59:06 GMT
I would definitely have preferred it if the Reapers would have been the cause for going. Yes, it would have still messed a lot with things (where do the Ark ships suddenly come from or why were they worked on before, etc.) but at least, it would have been the perfect, simple and clear motivation for the Andromeda Initiative.
I think that "Exploration" or "for science" is not at all believable for a project like this, at least not within the ME universe in the 2170s and 80s. There is simply too little value for effort with too many much better alternatives to make this specific project reasonable above all other possibilities.
I really do hope, that in time we will get a more convincing reason than we have now. Otherwise, I'll have to play a game, the very basic setup of which makes no sense to me. I am not sure if I could get into that.
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Post by shechinah on Nov 21, 2016 20:24:03 GMT
I really don't give a fuck but in these "initiation" videos we're just being fed propaganda about the AI so I wouldn't see the information they gave us as realiable (or truthful). There's another initiation video? Urgh. I signed up for the stupid Initiative but haven't gotten anything since that first email (and the introduction of Jian). No, not yet. I think felipejiraya is just referring to the videos in general although I'll note that videos to come are basically training information like how colonies will be established, weapons and first contact protocol.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 21, 2016 21:03:23 GMT
I would definitely have preferred it if the Reapers would have been the cause for going. Yes, it would have still messed a lot with things (where do the Ark ships suddenly come from or why were they worked on before, etc.) but at least, it would have been the perfect, simple and clear motivation for the Andromeda Initiative. I think that "Exploration" or "for science" is not at all believable for a project like this, at least not within the ME universe in the 2170s and 80s. There is simply too little value for effort with too many much better alternatives to make this specific project reasonable above all other possibilities. I really do hope, that in time we will get a more convincing reason than we have now. Otherwise, I'll have to play a game, the very basic setup of which makes no sense to me. I am not sure if I could get into that. Though I didn't say it directly in my post a page back I should have said that Shepard did spur some to believe and they out of fear lead the discovery mission I talked about. You could use that as your basis since it would still feign the reapers into the reason. Nevertheless most probably already hate it. If you want to just look for the wall of text.
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Post by lancecucumber on Nov 21, 2016 21:58:19 GMT
Anyone have thoughts on what that is @ 0:51
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Post by Nayawk on Nov 22, 2016 0:18:16 GMT
As others have said, so far we have only seen AI recruitment and they aren't going to tell Joe Public anything that isn't shiny and positive. We can't take that at face value, so we still don't know why the ships are going, only the information/motivations the people on the ships have for going.
I've said it before, but I think the Ark project started as a much smaller exploration idea, once ME1 happens (and Shep secretly believed) that private project is co-op'd by the council and the AI in its final form is born.
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 23, 2016 16:22:24 GMT
Anyone have thoughts on what that is @ 0:51 Not sure about 0:51 but I am pretty sure at 0:47, we finally got to see "the rock"! I'm hyped now!
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Post by bizantura on Nov 23, 2016 16:44:01 GMT
As akward the ending of ME3 was I do not want one word or reapers mentioned in this new game.
Curious what's out there so a bunch of humans and aliens want to explore is good enough for me.
Encountering enemies and other problems can't be to difficult for Bioware writers to produce.
Was not keen on a reboot thru exploring a far away universe but Bioware chose that route they should stick with it.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 23, 2016 16:46:22 GMT
As akward the ending of ME3 was I do not want one word or reapers mentioned in this new game. Curious what's out there so a bunch of humans and aliens want to explore is good enough for me. Encountering enemies and other problems can't be to difficult for Bioware writers to produce. Was not keen on a reboot thru exploring a far away universe but Bioware chose that route they should stick with it. Based on what they said on twitter, both Cerberus and the Reapers shouldn't appear in MEA. Though there might be references.
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Post by peebee on Nov 23, 2016 17:02:44 GMT
Anyone have thoughts on what that is @ 0:51 Dunno why but it reminded me of this
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Post by bizantura on Nov 23, 2016 17:03:49 GMT
As akward the ending of ME3 was I do not want one word or reapers mentioned in this new game. Curious what's out there so a bunch of humans and aliens want to explore is good enough for me. Encountering enemies and other problems can't be to difficult for Bioware writers to produce. Was not keen on a reboot thru exploring a far away universe but Bioware chose that route they should stick with it. Based on what they said on twitter, both Cerberus and the Reapers shouldn't appear in MEA. Though there might be references. A reference here or there sounds logical those embracing new frontiers did not exist in a vacuum as long as consequenses belonging in the original trilogy don't muddle up and complicate logical story telling in a non direct sequel that is more of a reboot.
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