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Post by colfoley on Nov 24, 2016 2:37:01 GMT
Kind of glad Columbus or Magellan didn't share these views on logic. To be fair their reasons weren't the same as AI's. The Andromeda Initiative is doing it just for exploration, whereas Columbus and Magellan's did it to discover good trade routes so were doing it for economic benefit. Apparently so is the AI. Frankly at this point i am way more curious/ worried about the tech situation then wondering at the logic.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 24, 2016 3:05:33 GMT
Kind of glad Columbus or Magellan didn't share these views on logic. To be fair their reasons weren't the same as AI's. The Andromeda Initiative is doing it just for exploration, whereas Columbus and Magellan did it to discover good trade routes so were doing it for economic benefit. Not to mention Columbus got seriously lucky. He wildly underestimated the distance to Asia across the Atlantic. If there weren't two continent-sized landmasses right about where the thought Asia would be, he and his crew would have died at sea Magellan, of his five ships, only one made it back with 18 survivors (out of over 200 people to start with). He wasn't one of them.
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Post by bshep on Nov 24, 2016 3:16:47 GMT
Have you guys tried read the official site...
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 24, 2016 3:35:31 GMT
A question for those that are calling Andromeda a reboot would that also mean for you that Fantastic Beasts and Rogue One are both reboots as well? For they seem to share a similar track as what they are doing with Andromeda for they all seem to have very little to do with the content that came before and take place with new characters and locations that were not used during the production of the first films.
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Post by Spectr61 on Nov 24, 2016 5:30:08 GMT
99% of the Milky Way unexplored,
And the Andromeda Initiative's raison d'etre is to find a resource rich settlement and establish a reliable route to a destination 2.5 million light years distant? That takes 600 of our years to even travel to one way?
Riiight.
Fantastic logic. Who came up with such brilliance? Possibly the same guy that dreamt up the equally fantastic trilogy endings?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 24, 2016 6:16:34 GMT
99% of the Milky Way unexplored, And the Andromeda Initiative's raison d'etre is to find a resource rich settlement and establish a reliable route to a destination 2.5 million light years distant? That takes 600 of our years to even travel to one way? Riiight. Fantastic logic. Who came up with such brilliance? Possibly the same guy that dreamt up the equally fantastic trilogy endings? Well, I can see what the Andromeda Initiative's plan is regarding this aspect. I almost guarantee the plan is to connect Milky Way and Andromeda with a Mass Relay pair. Chances are that is one of the roles the Nexus would serve, being the Andromeda half of that pair. It may be why it was built in the Milky Way, allowing them to link it with what will eventually be the Milky Way half of the pair. However, with the Reaper War occuring months after departure the Milky Way partner may have been damaged or destroyed and with galactic reconstruction taking a priority it may not be operational by the time the Nexus gets in place. But yeah, we have 99% of the Milky Way unexplored, the fourth largest galaxy(Large Magellanic Cloud) only a fraction of the way away completely unexplored, and several dwarf galaxies some of which are massive completely unexplored. Seems strange to go for Andromeda rather than these ventures.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 24, 2016 6:21:47 GMT
To be fair their reasons weren't the same as AI's. The Andromeda Initiative is doing it just for exploration, whereas Columbus and Magellan's did it to discover good trade routes so were doing it for economic benefit. Apparently so is the AI. Frankly at this point i am way more curious/ worried about the tech situation then wondering at the logic. Same here. The reasons while illogical I can understand since not everything is done logically(after all in ME3 we throw everything into a superweapon we can only guess will even work) whereas the tech is more set in stone lorewise so makes a bigger issue to be curious/worried about.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 24, 2016 9:18:55 GMT
As unhappy as I am with leaving the Milky Way and that doing so requires some serious suspension of disbelief, at least we get another Mass Effect game.
And even with a stupid premise, it can still turn out to be an amazing game. I'll choose another Mass Effect game over none due to implausibility any day. I hate the endings for screwing everything up. But I'm willing to cut Bioware some slack for at least trying to salvage the franchise.
Besides, it has been strongly hinted at that there's an ulterior motive for going to Andromeda. And as far as recruiting for the cover story of exploration goes: you'll always find people who are very willing to leave everything behind and start over someplace else. It could be somebody's promised land fantasy. Why not run away from your old life as far as possible?
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Post by javeart on Nov 24, 2016 10:03:27 GMT
Apparently so is the AI. Frankly at this point i am way more curious/ worried about the tech situation then wondering at the logic. Same here. The reasons while illogical I can understand since not everything is done logically(after all in ME3 we throw everything into a superweapon we can only guess will even work) whereas the tech is more set in stone lorewise so makes a bigger issue to be curious/worried about. Agreed. I find the exploration motive to go Andromeda absurd, but there's so many things that people do and I don't understand so, ok, whatever... My Ryder probably only signed up because she was worried about her dad and her brother, or something like that, and I'll be just fine The viability of the project tself and whether it makes sense or not in the MEU, that's another thing, I understand concerns with that. I'm going to roll with whatever they give us, though, because I really want a new BW game... I'll just try not to think much about it all, maybe stop reading the reasonable objections people who know lore well can come up with, since I usually don't get half of those on my own Ignorance is bliss Exactly
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Post by Wulfram on Nov 24, 2016 11:09:32 GMT
Discharging basically just needs a planet. I don't see how its a constraint, except that it'll slow you down a bit. People can just go off and settle away from the relay network, its just a pretty crappy option because you're cutting yourself off from the rest of the world. And they can settle worlds in the Terminus systems, like Horizon, if they want to and can defend themselves from the other inhabitants. And you need a planet (with a magnetosphere, this is important) within range. Which is not a guarantee. Even mass-effect-FTL drive is slow relative to the volume of the galaxy. Empty space and systems without suitable drive discharge sites are barriers to exploration. Only the mass relays allow ships to jump hundreds of light years in an instant, the key to expanding across an otherwise impassable galaxy.
But planets are rather abundant, and going by our solar system so are magnetospheres. Though we hadn't discovered many exoplanets before the first game came out, so I guess Bioware might not have known that
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 24, 2016 12:01:13 GMT
They're trying to have it both ways. They want to reboot the series without actually changing anything (because that would be tacitly admitting the endings were a mistake) The problem is the tech to travel to other galaxies simply doesn't exist in the ME universe. And having that tech would have dramatically changed the balance of Council space power and influence. I don't see this as a reboot at all and the assertion that this tech doesn't exist or would cause dramatic changes is also wrong, in my opinion. As far as I can see the tech does exist. The Citadel and other large space stations have their own discharge facilities. So it stands to reason that if you bring a big enough ship to carry it's own discharging facilities you can discharge whenever you want along the way. Even if they invented new tech to handle discharging it still wouldn't dramatically change anything. Nobody needs tech that allows them to go to places over several years when they already have an all you can eat buffet of unexplored places to go in the blink of an eye! In fact, if you didn't care about the time taken we already know they can use cryo and travel whereever they want using conventional propulsion without a Mass Effect core. If you can wait years, you can wait centuries right? Not that it would be that difficult to believe that the AI came up with new tech. One of the biggest rewards for missions like the Apollo lunar landings was in all the technical innovations that it led to. Man's constant striving to explore further and further has always been the driver for human ingenuity and new technology. The only thing you'd need for that tech to not matter to the status quo is if it required a ship the size of the Arks. Because those things would be prohibitively expensive if you weren't a billionaire eccentric willing to spend every penny you had to leave the MW behind. People are just seeing issues that aren't there and having problems with a motivation that is 100% a real thing and ascribed to some of the most awe-inspiring accomplishments of human-kind.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 24, 2016 12:23:13 GMT
Have you guys tried read the official site... I'm down with this, science be damned - let's make that space railroad at the end of Andromeda 2
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Post by Addictress on Nov 24, 2016 15:20:47 GMT
I love Star Trek, but this is not Star Trek. Star Trek is all about parables and drawing narrative juice serially in each world it encounters with little consistent drama or arc within the ship.
Mass Effect is a much more coherent storytelling media. It's not serial or anecdotal. A continuous story is required, so the driving force within the arks and behind their initial departure is more important.
"Just 'cause exploration" is far too weak imo.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 24, 2016 16:08:43 GMT
They're trying to have it both ways. They want to reboot the series without actually changing anything (because that would be tacitly admitting the endings were a mistake) The problem is the tech to travel to other galaxies simply doesn't exist in the ME universe. And having that tech would have dramatically changed the balance of Council space power and influence. I don't see this as a reboot at all and the assertion that this tech doesn't exist or would cause dramatic changes is also wrong, in my opinion. As far as I can see the tech does exist. The Citadel and other large space stations have their own discharge facilities. So it stands to reason that if you bring a big enough ship to carry it's own discharging facilities you can discharge whenever you want along the way. Even if they invented new tech to handle discharging it still wouldn't dramatically change anything. Nobody needs tech that allows them to go to places over several years when they already have an all you can eat buffet of unexplored places to go in the blink of an eye! In fact, if you didn't care about the time taken we already know they can use cryo and travel whereever they want using conventional propulsion without a Mass Effect core. If you can wait years, you can wait centuries right? Not that it would be that difficult to believe that the AI came up with new tech. One of the biggest rewards for missions like the Apollo lunar landings was in all the technical innovations that it led to. Man's constant striving to explore further and further has always been the driver for human ingenuity and new technology. The only thing you'd need for that tech to not matter to the status quo is if it required a ship the size of the Arks. Because those things would be prohibitively expensive if you weren't a billionaire eccentric willing to spend every penny you had to leave the MW behind. People are just seeing issues that aren't there and having problems with a motivation that is 100% a real thing and ascribed to some of the most awe-inspiring accomplishments of human-kind. You have to discharge to remove the buildup in the ship. So any discharging facilities would, logically have to be something you can jettison later. Discharging every 2-3 days in a 600 year trip means dumping a lot of these devices (and if only very large space stations can carry these, I imagine these are rather large machines). Or waiting a hella long time for it to radiate out into dark space. And as noted, the Council keeps a tight lid on what worlds can be explored and colonized along the relay network. It's why the batarians went rogue. And they kept the quarians from settling on a new homeworld in Council space. The Krogan Rebellions came about when they ran out of their own worlds to settle and started conquering those of other races. And if we could travel to other MW worlds via cryo without a relay, why aren't they doing so? What does "human ingenuity" have to say about testing ona small scale first until it's a proven tech? (Or is this Cerberus ingenuity of "if it doesn't kill absolutely everyone on the project, it's a success"?) And once again, the answer is "resources" At this point, getting to the moon again would be an awe-inspiring accomplishment of humankind. Getting to Mars would be jaw-dropping. But people like Elon Musk are not trying to skip those steps and visit other solar systems first.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 24, 2016 17:05:16 GMT
I love Star Trek, but this is not Star Trek. Star Trek is all about parables and drawing narrative juice serially in each world it encounters with little consistent drama or arc within the ship. Mass Effect is a much more coherent storytelling media. It's not serial or anecdotal. A continuous story is required, so the driving force within the arks and behind their initial departure is more important. "Just 'cause exploration" is far too weak imo. I agree, but I'm sure motivations and directives within the Initiative will be revealed during the story: we can't expect to know that much (or want to know I reckon) before release. It will be super interesting if the launch was expedited due in some part to the perceived Reaper threat...it's a really interesting part of the Mass Effect timeline when they launch. Arrival hadn't happened yet but the Collector threat and Battle of the Citadel had, so there was a lot of rumor and speculation abound regarding Reapers/Collectors, whilst most were still disregarding it as myth and poppycock. Exploration and expanding galactic reach is a great reason for a journey like the AI, it will be even tastier if there are some hidden motives tucked underneath the shroud of "Cause Exploration"....can't wait to find out.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 24, 2016 17:13:13 GMT
You have to discharge to remove the buildup in the ship. So any discharging facilities would, logically have to be something you can jettison later. Discharging every 2-3 days in a 600 year trip means dumping a lot of these devices (and if only very large space stations can carry these, I imagine these are rather large machines). Or waiting a hella long time for it to radiate out into dark space. You say that, but the codex doesn't. All we know is that there is tech on the Citadel that allows numerous ships to be continually discharging their drive cores every day. We don't know that the tech requires the jettisoning of material so why make that assumption? Humanity has plenty of expansion room. They are creating new colonies all the time. There is no evidence that there is any shortage of space for expansion and it would be ridiculous to even consider starting colonies on worlds outside of Relay reach given that they will have no access to support or supplies for years at a time. Because it would be ludicrous to send expeditions to colonize worlds that take centuries to reach, where they would have no support from Earth when there are plenty of worlds that can be colonized using the relays. Human ingenuity has nothing to do with it. This is about pushing boundaries. If it's easy there's no point doing it. That has always been the point about these things. You don't see Elon Musk trying to establish a colony on the Moon? Why skip the moon given how much easier it would be? Why climb mount Everest when there are smaller mountains, why fly around the world when you can fly a shorter distance, why go to the North Pole when you can go to Alaska? The Lunar landings were man's first step on another celestial body. Mars would be our first step on another planet. Andromeda is our first step in another Galaxy. It's a natural progression and makes perfect sense.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 24, 2016 17:16:05 GMT
If the IP lasts that long, and if it goes in that direction, you'd hope people are less pissy and more reasonable by then. Clearly, they'd have to either sidestep/largely ignore the ME3 endings (made easier by the passage of centuries), or they'd need to finally man up and pick a "canon" ending as most IPs would've done. 1) I agree with this 1000% 2) Prediction: 2025 we get ME6, after 2 highly successful entries in the Andromeda galaxy, the Mass Effect series returns to the Milky Way after the successful reconnection of the 2 galaxies at the end of ME:A2. This game will require a VR interface with a minimum of 64GB of RAM... and will likely be promoted in tandem with the SteamVR4 headset, also Half-Life 3 is still no-where to be seen..... /endprediction.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 24, 2016 17:20:54 GMT
As unhappy as I am with leaving the Milky Way and that doing so requires some serious suspension of disbelief, at least we get another Mass Effect game. And even with a stupid premise, it can still turn out to be an amazing game. I'll choose another Mass Effect game over none due to implausibility any day. I hate the endings for screwing everything up. But I'm willing to cut Bioware some slack for at least trying to salvage the franchise. This is the logic I followed when Andromeda was announced. And you need a planet (with a magnetosphere, this is important) within range. Which is not a guarantee. Even mass-effect-FTL drive is slow relative to the volume of the galaxy. Empty space and systems without suitable drive discharge sites are barriers to exploration. Only the mass relays allow ships to jump hundreds of light years in an instant, the key to expanding across an otherwise impassable galaxy.
But planets are rather abundant, and going by our solar system so are magnetospheres. Though we hadn't discovered many exoplanets before the first game came out, so I guess Bioware might not have known that No, they are not abundant. I don't think you have an accurate understanding of the concept of space. Planets are very rare, in fact, despite our constantly encountering them in-game. Space is mostly an incredibly vast "emptiness". This is the entire point of the mass relays. Without these reaper highways, we can't reach most destinations before being cooked by our own drive core. Most vessels reach saturation within days.
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Post by Wulfram on Nov 24, 2016 20:11:05 GMT
If we say we have a conservative 25 light year range (50 hours between charges, 12 light years per day), then we already know about a good 20 systems with planets within that.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 24, 2016 20:14:40 GMT
I love Star Trek, but this is not Star Trek. Star Trek is all about parables and drawing narrative juice serially in each world it encounters with little consistent drama or arc within the ship. Mass Effect is a much more coherent storytelling media. It's not serial or anecdotal. A continuous story is required, so the driving force within the arks and behind their initial departure is more important. "Just 'cause exploration" is far too weak imo. my fear as well.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 24, 2016 22:22:25 GMT
Kind of glad Columbus or Magellan didn't share these views on logic. Those trips doesn't even begin to compare with the AI. They were logical and had profit in mind.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 25, 2016 1:47:10 GMT
Kind of glad Columbus or Magellan didn't share these views on logic. Those trips doesn't even begin to compare with the AI. They were logical and had profit in mind. The Andromeda Initiative actually runs many parallels with the aforementioned voyages of discovery - both had massive amounts of risk involved and the potential for pure disaster was high AF. They were also journeying into the true unknown and profit, whilst an endgame goal, was not probable until many unlikely checkpoints were met to secure any form of trade advantage/treasure. Leaps of faith and taking risks is still exciting; plus the end goal of the AI as stated by their mission statement is to connect the galaxies for a viable trade route: there's the potential (albeit out of current 2185 MW tech's range) profit right there.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 25, 2016 7:29:14 GMT
Add to that compare the two technologies, for the Andromeda Initiative to reach another galaxy might as well be wooden ships trying to sail around the globe.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 25, 2016 8:11:29 GMT
Those trips doesn't even begin to compare with the AI. They were logical and had profit in mind. plus the end goal of the AI as stated by their mission statement is to connect the galaxies for a viable trade route: there's the potential (albeit out of current 2185 MW tech's range) profit right there. Are. You. Serious? 1200 years long trade route? Even asari don't live that long. Not to mention the whole idea of trading with millennia more advanced civilization. The only thing Middle Ages people could trade with us is some ecologically pure vegetables for hipsters - all other "resources", which could be in use for us, we can mine more ourselves in a week than they in years.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 25, 2016 8:14:27 GMT
plus the end goal of the AI as stated by their mission statement is to connect the galaxies for a viable trade route: there's the potential (albeit out of current 2185 MW tech's range) profit right there. Are. You. Serious? 1200 years long trade route? Even asari don't live that long. Not to mention the whole idea of trading with millennia more advanced civilization. The only thing Middle Ages people could trade with us is some ecologically pure vegetables for hipsters - all other "resources", which could be in use for us, we can mine more ourselves in a week than they in years. As I said above on this page, I almost guarantee the plan is to connect the two galaxies via a Mass Relay pair or something similar. That makes the round trip go from 1200 years to near instantaneously.
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