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Post by Ahriman on Nov 25, 2016 8:27:16 GMT
Are. You. Serious? 1200 years long trade route? Even asari don't live that long. Not to mention the whole idea of trading with millennia more advanced civilization. The only thing Middle Ages people could trade with us is some ecologically pure vegetables for hipsters - all other "resources", which could be in use for us, we can mine more ourselves in a week than they in years. As I said above on this page, I almost guarantee the plan is to connect the two galaxies via a Mass Relay pair or something similar. That makes the round trip go from 1200 years to near instantaneously. Ok, let's pretend that Retcon power is over 9000 and they have the technology. This leaves us with 600 years and the cost of two super Relays and 4 Arks. Are you still trying to tell me there is some profit under that?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 25, 2016 8:34:46 GMT
As I said above on this page, I almost guarantee the plan is to connect the two galaxies via a Mass Relay pair or something similar. That makes the round trip go from 1200 years to near instantaneously. Ok, let's pretend that Retcon power is over 9000 and they have the technology. This leaves us with 600 years and the cost of two super Relays and 4 Arks. Are you still trying to tell me there is some profit under that? I actually don't think that one is a retcon. Aethyta in ME2 mentioned proposing to the Asari Matriarchs that they should focus on making their own Mass Relays, though was laughed at for it which is why she left Thessia seeing her leaders as worthless. Maybe some other people considered the idea and decided to move on it. We do know how Mass Relays work, at least to an extent, since that was information left for us by the Reapers for their cycle to work. We also know that it is possible for a cycle to do so, as we see with the Prothean's Conduit Project. Speaking of, AI would have a couple years to play around with it, and it may be where we get the technology for the stasis pods as well. As for profit, yeah actually. It would cost an unimaginable amount and I have issues with them spending that much in a decade, but the return of investment is literally an entire galaxy even bigger than our own.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 25, 2016 8:55:47 GMT
Ok, let's pretend that Retcon power is over 9000 and they have the technology. This leaves us with 600 years and the cost of two super Relays and 4 Arks. Are you still trying to tell me there is some profit under that? I actually don't think that one is a retcon. Aethyta in ME2 mentioned proposing to the Asari Matriarchs that they should focus on making their own Mass Relays, though was laughed at for it which is why she left Thessia seeing her leaders as worthless. Maybe some other people considered the idea and decided to move on it. We do know how Mass Relays work, at least to an extent, since that was information left for us by the Reapers for their cycle to work. We also know that it is possible for a cycle to do so, as we see with the Prothean's Conduit Project. Speaking of, AI would have a couple years to play around with it, and it may be where we get the technology for the stasis pods as well. Aethyta was laughed at because they were nowhere near to understanding of how to construct them. Access to Illos was restricted by the Council, everything found there was classified and we are talking about "private" expedition, remember? Return of the investment would be literally bunch of rocks they are capable of mining. ME civilization hasn't even fully became Type 2 to have usage for galaxies. It's like a single fisherman with a stick swimming from Atlantic to Pacific to get an entire ocean for his own.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 25, 2016 9:02:03 GMT
I actually don't think that one is a retcon. Aethyta in ME2 mentioned proposing to the Asari Matriarchs that they should focus on making their own Mass Relays, though was laughed at for it which is why she left Thessia seeing her leaders as worthless. Maybe some other people considered the idea and decided to move on it. We do know how Mass Relays work, at least to an extent, since that was information left for us by the Reapers for their cycle to work. We also know that it is possible for a cycle to do so, as we see with the Prothean's Conduit Project. Speaking of, AI would have a couple years to play around with it, and it may be where we get the technology for the stasis pods as well. Aethyta was laughed at because they were nowhere near to understanding of how to construct them. Access to Illos was restricted by the Council, everything found there was classified and we are talking about "private" expedition, remember? Return of the investment would be literally bunch of rocks they are capable of mining. ME civilization hasn't even fully became Type 2 to have usage for galaxies. It's like a single fisherman with a stick swimming from Atlantic to Pacific to get an entire ocean for his own. 1) Citation needed. It is never said why Aethyta was laughed at by the other Matriarchs. It could have been for any number of reasons. And Ilos is never said to be restricted by the Council, and instead that there are Salarian researchers there. The only race or group said to be restricted from Ilos is the Batarian Hegemony. Ilos is open enough that painters were even allowed, as shown by Liara having a painting of Ilos in her apartment. 2) Now you are arguing capability, not motive. The tech is still an issue I have as I have expressed many times but it isn't relevant to the thing being discussed.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 25, 2016 10:51:09 GMT
Aethyta was laughed at because they were nowhere near to understanding of how to construct them. Access to Illos was restricted by the Council, everything found there was classified and we are talking about "private" expedition, remember? Return of the investment would be literally bunch of rocks they are capable of mining. ME civilization hasn't even fully became Type 2 to have usage for galaxies. It's like a single fisherman with a stick swimming from Atlantic to Pacific to get an entire ocean for his own. 1) Citation needed. It is never said why Aethyta was laughed at by the other Matriarchs. It could have been for any number of reasons. And Ilos is never said to be restricted by the Council, and instead that there are Salarian researchers there. The only race or group said to be restricted from Ilos is the Batarian Hegemony. Ilos is open enough that painters were even allowed, as shown by Liara having a painting of Ilos in her apartment. 2) Now you are arguing capability, not motive. The tech is still an issue I have as I have expressed many times but it isn't relevant to the thing being discussed. 1) Citation on what? That Council species are incapable of building them? - "Mass relays are feats of Prothean engineering advanced far beyond the technology of any living species." That Ilos has restricted access? - Well, that's an assumption on my part. How else would they keep everyone from powering Ilos archives again? 2) Motive is pointless without capability. We could mine Helium 3 on Moon, but it's simply not economically viable.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 25, 2016 13:02:50 GMT
Those trips doesn't even begin to compare with the AI. They were logical and had profit in mind. The Andromeda Initiative actually runs many parallels with the aforementioned voyages of discovery - both had massive amounts of risk involved and the potential for pure disaster was high AF. They were also journeying into the true unknown and profit, whilst an endgame goal, was not probable until many unlikely checkpoints were met to secure any form of trade advantage/treasure. Leaps of faith and taking risks is still exciting; plus the end goal of the AI as stated by their mission statement is to connect the galaxies for a viable trade route: there's the potential (albeit out of current 2185 MW tech's range) profit right there. False. The risks cannot be compared. The investment needed to the trips of the 15th and 16th centuries were small compared to the amount the Arks would need. We are talking a kind of money that the codex said shouldn't be possible in the first place. The profit? Unless Andromeda has something the Milk Way does not, and that would be some kind of alien technology, then it would be null. Why would one go to Andromeda to get something you can get anywhere in the Milk Way? So there would be no profit involved, it would be like traveling to China or India to get grapes or wheat. Not to mention the time involved, the trips to India gave huge amount of profit in a few years, while the AI would maybe give nothing after centuries. The only similarities are in very superficial level.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 25, 2016 13:29:03 GMT
Aethyta was laughed at because they were nowhere near to understanding of how to construct them. Access to Illos was restricted by the Council, everything found there was classified and we are talking about "private" expedition, remember? Yet Donovan Hock somehow managed to get a statue of the Inusannon put in his vault
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 25, 2016 13:31:27 GMT
Aethyta was laughed at because they were nowhere near to understanding of how to construct them. Access to Illos was restricted by the Council, everything found there was classified and we are talking about "private" expedition, remember? Yet Donovan Hock somehow managed to get a statue of the Inusannon put in his vault He also managed to get Ogre statue, so I wouldn't underestimate the guy.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 25, 2016 13:37:59 GMT
Yet Donovan Hock somehow managed to get a statue of the Inusannon put in his vault He also managed to get Ogre statue, so I wouldn't underestimate the guy. The same can be said of the project for looking at the conduit about possibly building a relay of their own.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 25, 2016 13:44:46 GMT
He also managed to get Ogre statue, so I wouldn't underestimate the guy. The same can be said of the project for looking at the conduit about possibly building a relay of their own. If you say so.
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Post by lancecucumber on Nov 25, 2016 13:59:34 GMT
Anyone have thoughts on what that is @ 0:51 Dunno why but it reminded me of this That was my thoughts exactly, and the reason I posted
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 25, 2016 14:52:05 GMT
plus the end goal of the AI as stated by their mission statement is to connect the galaxies for a viable trade route: there's the potential (albeit out of current 2185 MW tech's range) profit right there. Are. You. Serious? 1200 years long trade route? Even asari don't live that long. Not to mention the whole idea of trading with millennia more advanced civilization. The only thing Middle Ages people could trade with us is some ecologically pure vegetables for hipsters - all other "resources", which could be in use for us, we can mine more ourselves in a week than they in years. Yeah, I'm serious kemosabe. Serious as a Mass Relay to the knee - oh snap, the technology does exist.....it's just Reaper tech so therefore no one remember's it's a thing.....
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Post by Iakus on Nov 25, 2016 19:40:45 GMT
Those trips doesn't even begin to compare with the AI. They were logical and had profit in mind. The Andromeda Initiative actually runs many parallels with the aforementioned voyages of discovery - both had massive amounts of risk involved and the potential for pure disaster was high AF. They were also journeying into the true unknown and profit, whilst an endgame goal, was not probable until many unlikely checkpoints were met to secure any form of trade advantage/treasure. Leaps of faith and taking risks is still exciting; plus the end goal of the AI as stated by their mission statement is to connect the galaxies for a viable trade route: there's the potential (albeit out of current 2185 MW tech's range) profit right there. Not even close. Neither Columbus nor Magellan's voyages were intended to be one-way trips. Columbus genuinely thought he was going to reach Asia. He had no clue there were two continents and a whole mess of islands in the way. Magellan was essentially looking for new trade routes and circumstances kept pushing him to go further and further west. You'd have done better to compare the voyage with James Cook. Which still wasn't meant to be a one-way trip (though it was for him, ultimately) but was several separate voyages of discovery.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 25, 2016 19:43:27 GMT
Are. You. Serious? 1200 years long trade route? Even asari don't live that long. Not to mention the whole idea of trading with millennia more advanced civilization. The only thing Middle Ages people could trade with us is some ecologically pure vegetables for hipsters - all other "resources", which could be in use for us, we can mine more ourselves in a week than they in years. Yeah, I'm serious kemosabe. Serious as a Mass Relay to the knee - oh snap, the technology does exist.....it's just Reaper tech so therefore no one remember's it's a thing..... and 2185, the year this voyage launched, was also the year someone FINALLY took a close enough look at the relays to go "Huh, these are way older than the Protheans" You really think anyone has examined them close enough to actually BUILD a pair? Because, there would already have to be a relay in the Milky Way for this crew to build a twin in Andromeda to actually get a path working.
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Post by geezer117 on Nov 25, 2016 20:51:28 GMT
This is a very long thread, so if anyone has already advanced this idea, apologies.
Recall in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey that an ancient civilization left a monolith on the moon, which was a beacon into space and which triggered a human expedition to follow that beacon.
It could be that the ancient civilization that built the mass relays might have done something of that same kind. When the MW Galaxy advanced to some trigger point reached after ME1, the races were beckoned by a beacon to undertake an expedition to Andromeda. The explorers would not likely know exactly what the purpose of the expedition was, other than to find the reason for the beacon's transmission. The fact that the beacon was a device from the relay builders would be sufficient incentive to go find out why.
That storyline would provide vast potential and range for many installments of future games.
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Post by Addictress on Nov 25, 2016 22:29:35 GMT
I'm starting wonder why the Asari, who had interstellar space travel capabilities centuries before the humans, never undertook a voyage to Andromeda themselves if it's just 600 years (around 75% of a lifespan) to them. They could've done a two-generation voyage.
Perhaps the 600-year-travel-time was made only possible with the discovery of new Prothean or reaper tech after Mass Effect 1.
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Post by Gwydden on Nov 25, 2016 23:50:05 GMT
I'm starting wonder why the Asari, who had interstellar space travel capabilities centuries before the humans, never undertook a voyage to Andromeda themselves if it's just 600 years (around 75% of a lifespan) to them. They could've done a two-generation voyage. Perhaps the 600-year-travel-time was made only possible with the discovery of new Prothean or reaper tech after Mass Effect 1. I would imagine that it is for the same reason no one thought of inventing medigel or something akin to it until humans came on the scene. Journeying to Andromeda was impossible before because the plot didn't allow it, and it is possible now because the plot demands it. Quite simple, really. At any rate, I stand by my view that it does not matter overmuch how many gymnastics are necessary to get us to Andromeda. What will happen once we are there, that is to say, the actual game, is what matters.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 26, 2016 0:02:16 GMT
This is a very long thread, so if anyone has already advanced this idea, apologies. Recall in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey that an ancient civilization left a monolith on the moon, which was a beacon into space and which triggered a human expedition to follow that beacon. It could be that the ancient civilization that built the mass relays might have done something of that same kind. When the MW Galaxy advanced to some trigger point reached after ME1, the races were beckoned by a beacon to undertake an expedition to Andromeda. The explorers would not likely know exactly what the purpose of the expedition was, other than to find the reason for the beacon's transmission. The fact that the beacon was a device from the relay builders would be sufficient incentive to go find out why. That storyline would provide vast potential and range for many installments of future games. Except the civilization that built the relays was the Reapers. Or, possibly, the Leviathans and the Reapers re-purposed them with the Citadel. Either way, neither of them are at all interested in younger races rising above their station. Somewhat more probable would be an artifact from Andromeda making its way to the MW, (like the other Clarke novel, Rendezvous With Rama) and soldiers, researchers, etc hitched a ride on it.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 26, 2016 0:09:36 GMT
I'm starting wonder why the Asari, who had interstellar space travel capabilities centuries before the humans, never undertook a voyage to Andromeda themselves if it's just 600 years (around 75% of a lifespan) to them. They could've done a two-generation voyage. Perhaps the 600-year-travel-time was made only possible with the discovery of new Prothean or reaper tech after Mass Effect 1. I would imagine that it is for the same reason no one thought of inventing medigel or something akin to it until humans came on the scene. Journeying to Andromeda was impossible before because the plot didn't allow it, and it is possible now because the plot demands it. Quite simple, really. At any rate, I stand by my view that it does not matter overmuch how many gymnastics are necessary to get us to Andromeda. What will happen once we are there, that is to say, the actual game, is what matters. Simple. But massively contrived. Story matters. Especially since we are only taking this trip to Andromeda because of ME3, so this development is already less than organic. Science at the Speed of Plot is lame storytelling.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 26, 2016 0:12:20 GMT
I would imagine that it is for the same reason no one thought of inventing medigel or something akin to it until humans came on the scene. Journeying to Andromeda was impossible before because the plot didn't allow it, and it is possible now because the plot demands it. Quite simple, really. At any rate, I stand by my view that it does not matter overmuch how many gymnastics are necessary to get us to Andromeda. What will happen once we are there, that is to say, the actual game, is what matters. Simple. But massively contrived. Story matters. Especially since we are only taking this trip to Andromeda because of ME3, so this development is already less than organic. Science at the Speed of Plot is lame storytelling. Well, they're a fan of that, since ME2 at least. I'd say humanity's rise to power before ME was conveniently too quick, but it was more backstory then the plot of the game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 26, 2016 0:36:48 GMT
This is a very long thread, so if anyone has already advanced this idea, apologies. Recall in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey that an ancient civilization left a monolith on the moon, which was a beacon into space and which triggered a human expedition to follow that beacon. It could be that the ancient civilization that built the mass relays might have done something of that same kind. When the MW Galaxy advanced to some trigger point reached after ME1, the races were beckoned by a beacon to undertake an expedition to Andromeda. The explorers would not likely know exactly what the purpose of the expedition was, other than to find the reason for the beacon's transmission. The fact that the beacon was a device from the relay builders would be sufficient incentive to go find out why. That storyline would provide vast potential and range for many installments of future games. Except the civilization that built the relays was the Reapers. Or, possibly, the Leviathans and the Reapers re-purposed them with the Citadel. The Leviathan we speak to confirms that it was the Reapers that built the Citadel and Mass Relays, the purpose being to make the cycles more efficient. This was said by Sovereign in the first game, but it was good confirmation from a second source.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 26, 2016 0:44:39 GMT
They wouldn't need to be able to make Relays. I would have thought they could just take one with them.
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Post by TheChosenOne on Nov 26, 2016 6:10:29 GMT
I don't care. I just want some alien titties
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Post by peebee on Nov 26, 2016 13:16:28 GMT
Dunno why but it reminded me of this That was my thoughts exactly, and the reason I posted Well I actually hope it's nothing like that... It may be some kind of VI or just some kind of platform to open something else.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 17:24:39 GMT
Nah, the IP was developed more along the lines of this ...
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