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Post by javeart on Nov 24, 2016 20:45:40 GMT
It was already stated there'd be parts like this. Shinobi said most will still be the classic ME style. It was funny though see them trying to sell it as if it's an improvement
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 24, 2016 20:47:40 GMT
It was already stated there'd be parts like this. Shinobi said most will still be the classic ME style. It was funny though see them trying to sell it as if it's an improvement It depends on when this type of conversation will exactly happen. They might not even be in the same situation where they appeared in DAI.
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Post by javeart on Nov 24, 2016 20:48:54 GMT
It was funny though see them trying to sell it as if it's an improvement It depends on when this type of conversation will exactly happen. They might not even be in the same situation where they appeared in DAI. That's true. we'll see
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Post by bshep on Nov 24, 2016 21:30:38 GMT
15. As you leave the Ark for the first time, your dad wants you to rub a good-luck rock on the way out.
Lol...that made me laugh.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 24, 2016 22:06:22 GMT
15. As you leave the Ark for the first time, your dad wants you to rub a good-luck rock on the way out.
Lol...that made me laugh. This rock of theirs is getting more suspicious every update.
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Post by bshep on Nov 24, 2016 22:50:12 GMT
15. As you leave the Ark for the first time, your dad wants you to rub a good-luck rock on the way out.
Lol...that made me laugh. This rock of theirs is getting more suspicious every update. Maybe Alec is a geologist...xD
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 23:08:11 GMT
Garson: Hey, Alec is that a rock in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?
Ryder: Jien, I've got two kids who just lost their mother, what are you thinking?
Garson: I'm thinking I've got G84 on my left knee and G87 on my right knee, come up between the star clusters and see me.
Ryder: Jien, why is it that you can never take nova for an answer?
Garson: Oh Alec, do I make you hot and bothered?
Ryder: Nomad.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 25, 2016 0:03:22 GMT
It was funny though see them trying to sell it as if it's an improvement It depends on when this type of conversation will exactly happen. They might not even be in the same situation where they appeared in DAI. For a start if they could make it zoomed in far enough so you can make out the facial expressions or decrease the FOV so you can zoom in without making characters appear stretched. Really, my biggest hope for this is something like Telltale games where it's essentially a cinematic, but you can move the camera around while the conversation goes on and highlighting objects will make tooltips appear and there's still a sense of cinematic going on. I don't want ME3 or DA:I styled static conversations where the character constantly stretch or do the same hand gesture as they stand in place. It feels like you're just listening to an audio file. The illusion of realism within the game is completely broken for the time you're having that conversation. It's not even like Half Life 2 where conversations always happen in real time either. I think that game had a great sense of illusion just in how tight the lip-syncing and NPC gestures were and in how to prompt them was by pressing E as your default "interact with stuff" as opposed to some tooltip saying "TALK". Dunno, BioWare has just been bad at making non-cinematic conversations since forever IMO. I'd much rather half exclusively cinematic dialogue over non-cinematic where nothing happens visually while you're forced to stay in range to not interrupt conversations and you have to turn the camera to see the expressions as characters are talking *sigh* it's just not engaging at all.
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Post by DragonEffect on Nov 25, 2016 3:36:15 GMT
From the new article: 12. Think the default Scott Ryder looks a bit like original Mass Effect project director Casey Hudson? It’s not intentional, but the team thinks it’s a funny “ghost in the machine” moment.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 25, 2016 8:07:36 GMT
8. Not all of the races from the original trilogy appear in Andromeda, but they may show up in future installments. “We’ve designed the IP in such a way that they can all show up,” Walters says. “For hopefully obvious reasons, they’re not all going to show up in the first game.”
This reassures me greatly since this was my main worry about this move to Andromeda. So while they may not be in this first game, the fact that Bioware has purposefully made it so any and all races we know can be in Andromeda is a great relief.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 25, 2016 8:13:32 GMT
8. Not all of the races from the original trilogy appear in Andromeda, but they may show up in future installments. “We’ve designed the IP in such a way that they can all show up,” Walters says. “For hopefully obvious reasons, they’re not all going to show up in the first game.”This reassures me greatly since this was my main worry about this move to Andromeda. So while they may not be in this first game, the fact that Bioware has purposefully made it so any and all races we know can be in Andromeda is a great relief. Well, guess they haven't figured out yet if there are enough quarian-fans left to make such DLC profitable.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 25, 2016 8:17:36 GMT
8. Not all of the races from the original trilogy appear in Andromeda, but they may show up in future installments. “We’ve designed the IP in such a way that they can all show up,” Walters says. “For hopefully obvious reasons, they’re not all going to show up in the first game.”This reassures me greatly since this was my main worry about this move to Andromeda. So while they may not be in this first game, the fact that Bioware has purposefully made it so any and all races we know can be in Andromeda is a great relief. Well, guess they haven't figured out yet if there are enough quarian-fans left to make such DLC profitable. I think it is more a resource issue. They could only make so many kinds of aliens and have only so much data, so had to prioritize which show up. That said I suppose you are right they could always bring some in via DLC rather than wait until MEA2.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 25, 2016 8:30:35 GMT
Well, guess they haven't figured out yet if there are enough quarian-fans left to make such DLC profitable. I think it is more a resource issue. They could only make so many kinds of aliens and have only so much data, so had to prioritize which show up. That said I suppose you are right they could always bring some in via DLC rather than wait until MEA2. Everything is a resource issue. I'm trying to say that they simply aren't sure if some species are worth making at all.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 26, 2016 6:08:06 GMT
8. Not all of the races from the original trilogy appear in Andromeda, but they may show up in future installments. “We’ve designed the IP in such a way that they can all show up,” Walters says. “For hopefully obvious reasons, they’re not all going to show up in the first game.”This reassures me greatly since this was my main worry about this move to Andromeda. So while they may not be in this first game, the fact that Bioware has purposefully made it so any and all races we know can be in Andromeda is a great relief. Well, guess they haven't figured out yet if there are enough quarian-fans left to make such DLC profitable. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I could really use a break from the quarians. Let them reemerge next time around, with a less forced presence than ME3 Tali, and I can start liking them okay again. I'm not opposed to seeing a quarian here and there, but I'm honestly relieved that we won't have a big ass ship (or fleet!) of them this time. They felt like the writer's-pet species to me, far more than the asari, even. I think Tali's bizarre role in ME3 is mostly to blame for my aversion.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 26, 2016 7:18:52 GMT
Well, guess they haven't figured out yet if there are enough quarian-fans left to make such DLC profitable. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I could really use a break from the quarians. Let them reemerge next time around, with a less forced presence than ME3 Tali, and I can start liking them okay again. I'm not opposed to seeing a quarian here and there, but I'm honestly relieved that we won't have a big ass ship (or fleet!) of them this time. They felt like the writer's-pet species to me, far more than the asari, even. I think Tali's bizarre role in ME3 is mostly to blame for my aversion. How was Tali's role in ME3 any more bizarre or forced than pretty much every other companion we get in that game, out of curiosity?
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Post by bshep on Nov 26, 2016 8:25:08 GMT
I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I could really use a break from the quarians. Let them reemerge next time around, with a less forced presence than ME3 Tali, and I can start liking them okay again. I'm not opposed to seeing a quarian here and there, but I'm honestly relieved that we won't have a big ass ship (or fleet!) of them this time. They felt like the writer's-pet species to me, far more than the asari, even. I think Tali's bizarre role in ME3 is mostly to blame for my aversion. How was Tali's role in ME3 any more bizarre or forced than pretty much every other companion we get in that game, out of curiosity? I would like to know that too... She was one of the admirals and/or the one with the most experience dealing with geth.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 26, 2016 8:40:15 GMT
8. Not all of the races from the original trilogy appear in Andromeda, but they may show up in future installments. “We’ve designed the IP in such a way that they can all show up,” Walters says. “For hopefully obvious reasons, they’re not all going to show up in the first game.”This reassures me greatly since this was my main worry about this move to Andromeda. So while they may not be in this first game, the fact that Bioware has purposefully made it so any and all races we know can be in Andromeda is a great relief. That does the opposite of reassure me. I don't want every race crammed into the new universe at expense of story integrity.
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 26, 2016 8:47:01 GMT
I sense a BioWare merchandising opportunity here
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 26, 2016 8:54:35 GMT
8. Not all of the races from the original trilogy appear in Andromeda, but they may show up in future installments. “We’ve designed the IP in such a way that they can all show up,” Walters says. “For hopefully obvious reasons, they’re not all going to show up in the first game.”This reassures me greatly since this was my main worry about this move to Andromeda. So while they may not be in this first game, the fact that Bioware has purposefully made it so any and all races we know can be in Andromeda is a great relief. That does the opposite of reassure me. I don't want every race crammed into the new universe at expense of story integrity. How would it be at the expense of story integrity?
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 26, 2016 18:02:39 GMT
How was Tali's role in ME3 any more bizarre or forced than pretty much every other companion we get in that game, out of curiosity? How was Tali's role in ME3 any more bizarre or forced than pretty much every other companion we get in that game, out of curiosity? I would like to know that too... She was one of the admirals and/or the one with the most experience dealing with geth. When we first me Tali, she's on her pilgrimage, trying to prove she's worthy of adulthood. (Her words, not mine.) Less than three years later, they've made her one of five admirals with military command of the entire species. That was ridiculous, regardless of her "accomplishments". Life experience is needed to lead on that stage. It stretched verisimilitude way past breaking, for me. There's also the issue of the fan service romance in ME2 that downplayed the quarian health conundrum. It also ignored her "barely an adult" situation, but that plays differently for gamers of different ages, no doubt. Then, in ME3, that fan service meant Weekes insisted the child-admiral/love interest be aboard Normandy as a full squaddie, because "think of the Talimancers". It would've made far more sense for the admiral to be with her fleet, and her in-game reasoning for joining Normandy's crew was silly. They could've easily filled out the squaddie list with any of the other dozen options they'd cast aside. Tali, a character with whom I was genuinely happy to reunite on Freedom's Progress, ended up becoming an annoying fan service character. It was very unfortunate writing. While I've said some very nice things about Weekes on this very forum, it's one big reason I'm glad he's gone from Mass Effect. He is a softy who falls in love with characters too easily. I hope he's moved beyond it as the DA Lead.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 26, 2016 18:28:37 GMT
That does the opposite of reassure me. I don't want every race crammed into the new universe at expense of story integrity. How would it be at the expense of story integrity? You can make plausible cases for many even perhaps a somewhat pariah race like the Batarians. However if they try and shoehorn species like the Rachni/Geth that were perceived as completely hostile by everyone, even possibly by Shep that would seem to me to be at expense of story integrity.
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Post by BadgerladDK on Nov 26, 2016 19:09:50 GMT
How was Tali's role in ME3 any more bizarre or forced than pretty much every other companion we get in that game, out of curiosity? I would like to know that too... She was one of the admirals and/or the one with the most experience dealing with geth. When we first me Tali, she's on her pilgrimage, trying to prove she's worthy of adulthood. (Her words, not mine.) Less than three years later, they've made her one of five admirals with military command of the entire species. That was ridiculous, regardless of her "accomplishments". Life experience is needed to lead on that stage. It stretched verisimilitude way past breaking, for me. There's also the issue of the fan service romance in ME2 that downplayed the quarian health conundrum. It also ignored her "barely an adult" situation, but that plays differently for gamers of different ages, no doubt. Then, in ME3, that fan service meant Weekes insisted the child-admiral/love interest be aboard Normandy as a full squaddie, because "think of the Talimancers". It would've made far more sense for the admiral to be with her fleet, and her in-game reasoning for joining Normandy's crew was silly. They could've easily filled out the squaddie list with any of the other dozen options they'd cast aside. Tali, a character with whom I was genuinely happy to reunite on Freedom's Progress, ended up becoming an annoying fan service character. It was very unfortunate writing. While I've said some very nice things about Weekes on this very forum, it's one big reason I'm glad he's gone from Mass Effect. He is a softy who falls in love with characters too easily. I hope he's moved beyond it as the DA Lead. Amen to all this. Tali in 3 basically changed my feelings on Quarians from "interesting species that's been dealt a lousy hand by the galactic community" to "urgh, not more of your self destructive, whiny bullshit, you suit rat space pikeys".
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 26, 2016 19:25:05 GMT
How was Tali's role in ME3 any more bizarre or forced than pretty much every other companion we get in that game, out of curiosity? I would like to know that too... She was one of the admirals and/or the one with the most experience dealing with geth. When we first me Tali, she's on her pilgrimage, trying to prove she's worthy of adulthood. (Her words, not mine.) Less than three years later, they've made her one of five admirals with military command of the entire species. That was ridiculous, regardless of her "accomplishments". Life experience is needed to lead on that stage. It stretched verisimilitude way past breaking, for me. There's also the issue of the fan service romance in ME2 that downplayed the quarian health conundrum. It also ignored her "barely an adult" situation, but that plays differently for gamers of different ages, no doubt. Then, in ME3, that fan service meant Weekes insisted the child-admiral/love interest be aboard Normandy as a full squaddie, because "think of the Talimancers". It would've made far more sense for the admiral to be with her fleet, and her in-game reasoning for joining Normandy's crew was silly. They could've easily filled out the squaddie list with any of the other dozen options they'd cast aside. Tali, a character with whom I was genuinely happy to reunite on Freedom's Progress, ended up becoming an annoying fan service character. It was very unfortunate writing. While I've said some very nice things about Weekes on this very forum, it's one big reason I'm glad he's gone from Mass Effect. He is a softy who falls in love with characters too easily. I hope he's moved beyond it as the DA Lead. She only becomes an Admiral if you keep her from being exiled. If she is exiled, she is just an advisor the other Admirals are keeping secret. And even when she is an Admiral, she herself says it is just a formality and she doesn't have any real command, for example she doesn't preside over any part of the fleet. As with her sticking with the Normandy afterwords, I can see what you mean but I don't get why she gets called out specifically. Garrus is in pretty much an identical situation as her, yet you don't say his role is bizarre or forced. And then there is Liara who is the Shadow Broker who can suddenly do that work on the Normandy even though in ME2 she said she can't. As for the romance, I agree with you there that they trivialized what was supposed to be a huge issue. Personally I think they should have done the romance as one without sex considering the situation.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 26, 2016 19:43:29 GMT
How would it be at the expense of story integrity? You can make plausible cases for many even perhaps a somewhat pariah race like the Batarians. However if they try and shoehorn species like the Rachni/Geth that were perceived as completely hostile by everyone, even possibly by Shep that would seem to me to be at expense of story integrity. Even with races like those there are ways for them to be in Andromeda without harming story integrity. The Geth are actually extremely easy to work with, since it can be something as simple as some programs integrated themselves into the Nexus and Arks secretly as a contingency against the Reapers. The rest of the AI wouldn't even know until the Geth revealed themselves. Or something like how Legion reached out for Shepard other Geth reached out to the AI, however with recent events the leaders kept their involvement secret so as not to cause a panic. None of that would hurt the story integrity. Rachni are a lot harder I agree with you. They could do something like the Salarians experiment on a Rachni Egg like the team on Noveria did but unlike Noveria don't turn them crazy. After all Mordin and that Asari we meet on Illium shows us that some people feel bad about their genocide. We see on Sur'Kesh they are doing that with other races seen as hostile, like the Yahg. Though like the Yahg, the Rachni coming is extremely remote.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 26, 2016 19:55:59 GMT
Doesn't Tali herself admit that the title of Admiral is mostly ceremonial in her case?
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