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Post by Element Zero on Nov 26, 2016 20:51:45 GMT
When we first me Tali, she's on her pilgrimage, trying to prove she's worthy of adulthood. (Her words, not mine.) Less than three years later, they've made her one of five admirals with military command of the entire species. That was ridiculous, regardless of her "accomplishments". Life experience is needed to lead on that stage. It stretched verisimilitude way past breaking, for me. There's also the issue of the fan service romance in ME2 that downplayed the quarian health conundrum. It also ignored her "barely an adult" situation, but that plays differently for gamers of different ages, no doubt. Then, in ME3, that fan service meant Weekes insisted the child-admiral/love interest be aboard Normandy as a full squaddie, because "think of the Talimancers". It would've made far more sense for the admiral to be with her fleet, and her in-game reasoning for joining Normandy's crew was silly. They could've easily filled out the squaddie list with any of the other dozen options they'd cast aside. Tali, a character with whom I was genuinely happy to reunite on Freedom's Progress, ended up becoming an annoying fan service character. It was very unfortunate writing. While I've said some very nice things about Weekes on this very forum, it's one big reason I'm glad he's gone from Mass Effect. He is a softy who falls in love with characters too easily. I hope he's moved beyond it as the DA Lead. She only becomes an Admiral if you keep her from being exiled. If she is exiled, she is just an advisor the other Admirals are keeping secret. And even when she is an Admiral, she herself says it is just a formality and she doesn't have any real command, for example she doesn't preside over any part of the fleet. As with her sticking with the Normandy afterwords, I can see what you mean but I don't get why she gets called out specifically. Garrus is in pretty much an identical situation as her, yet you don't say his role is bizarre or forced. And then there is Liara who is the Shadow Broker who can suddenly do that work on the Normandy even though in ME2 she said she can't. As for the romance, I agree with you there that they trivialized what was supposed to be a huge issue. Personally I think they should have done the romance as one without sex considering the situation. She should never have become an admiral at all, in my opinion. "Advisor" would've been a perfect role for the (approximately) 20 year old hero. I wasn't discussing turians, but quarians. Generals saluting Garrus was stupid. His general role and presence aboard Normandy made sense, though. "And then there was Liara..." We don't even need to go any further to reach an agreement. That was one big disaster. I agree that Tali would've been a great opportunity for them to implement a non-sexual romance. Alas, they missed the opportunity. They learn with each game made, though, and I'm sure they learned a lot of lessons from the trilogy, both dos and don'ts. Somehow, with all the facepalm level missteps, they still managed to write a series we love. That's a testament to their top shelf character writing.
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Post by Gwydden on Nov 26, 2016 23:06:37 GMT
When we first me Tali, she's on her pilgrimage, trying to prove she's worthy of adulthood. (Her words, not mine.) Less than three years later, they've made her one of five admirals with military command of the entire species. That was ridiculous, regardless of her "accomplishments". Life experience is needed to lead on that stage. It stretched verisimilitude way past breaking, for me. There's also the issue of the fan service romance in ME2 that downplayed the quarian health conundrum. It also ignored her "barely an adult" situation, but that plays differently for gamers of different ages, no doubt. Then, in ME3, that fan service meant Weekes insisted the child-admiral/love interest be aboard Normandy as a full squaddie, because "think of the Talimancers". It would've made far more sense for the admiral to be with her fleet, and her in-game reasoning for joining Normandy's crew was silly. They could've easily filled out the squaddie list with any of the other dozen options they'd cast aside. Tali, a character with whom I was genuinely happy to reunite on Freedom's Progress, ended up becoming an annoying fan service character. It was very unfortunate writing. While I've said some very nice things about Weekes on this very forum, it's one big reason I'm glad he's gone from Mass Effect. He is a softy who falls in love with characters too easily. I hope he's moved beyond it as the DA Lead. Isn't the only reason Garrus and Tali made it back in ME2 as romanceable characters their popularity? Ironically enough, neither had much of a personality until the second game anyway, so I suspect said popularity was mostly due to character design and voice acting. So jingle bells, fanservice all the way. There were so, so many ways to handle what you call the "quarian health conundrum" that weren't anywhere near as cringeworthy as what we got: a non-sexual romance, a "let's look into it when we're not in a life or death situation" romance, even a "let's find alternative ways to do it that do not infringe upon anyone's health" romance, awkward as that may have been. But alas, it is too late for that now. I have nothing against Weekes as a person, but as a content creator he has made it clear (explicitly and implicitly) that he suscribes to the idea of using fanservice, escapism and cheap thrills as the north of the creative compass. He has been emphatic about it, so I doubt he has changed his mind overmuch.
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Post by dalinne on Nov 26, 2016 23:20:41 GMT
Please, if you really want to talk about fanservice...
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Post by sosolaris on Nov 26, 2016 23:31:43 GMT
Haven't seen that view in awhile. I bought the alternate appearance pack solely for Miranda
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Post by bshep on Nov 26, 2016 23:33:04 GMT
Please, if you really want to talk about fanservice... Now this was a totaly gratuitous fanservice that later become a small joke or at least a attempt of a joke in ME3. The only "problem" with Tali romance is that they most likely run out of time to create a proper model for her. I don't see how her wanting real sex and skinship for the first time instead of relying in some simulator program that much of a deal. Haven't seen that view in awhile. I bought the alternate appearance pack solely for Miranda Too bad that they decided to put a stupid glasses instead of a helmet on that armor...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 0:01:15 GMT
How was Tali's role in ME3 any more bizarre or forced than pretty much every other companion we get in that game, out of curiosity? I would like to know that too... She was one of the admirals and/or the one with the most experience dealing with geth. When we first me Tali, she's on her pilgrimage, trying to prove she's worthy of adulthood. (Her words, not mine.) Less than three years later, they've made her one of five admirals with military command of the entire species. That was ridiculous, regardless of her "accomplishments". Life experience is needed to lead on that stage. It stretched verisimilitude way past breaking, for me. There's also the issue of the fan service romance in ME2 that downplayed the quarian health conundrum. It also ignored her "barely an adult" situation, but that plays differently for gamers of different ages, no doubt. Then, in ME3, that fan service meant Weekes insisted the child-admiral/love interest be aboard Normandy as a full squaddie, because "think of the Talimancers". It would've made far more sense for the admiral to be with her fleet, and her in-game reasoning for joining Normandy's crew was silly. They could've easily filled out the squaddie list with any of the other dozen options they'd cast aside. Tali, a character with whom I was genuinely happy to reunite on Freedom's Progress, ended up becoming an annoying fan service character. It was very unfortunate writing. While I've said some very nice things about Weekes on this very forum, it's one big reason I'm glad he's gone from Mass Effect. He is a softy who falls in love with characters too easily. I hope he's moved beyond it as the DA Lead. The series had an issue with overuse of the Overranked Soldier trope. By ME3 Tali has gone from FNG to Admiral and government official, Garrus has gone from C-Sec cop to in the line of succession for Primarch of Palaven, Ashley has made the mind-boggling jump from Gunnery Chief to Lt. Commander, Kaidan has jumped from Lieutenant to Major and now technically outranks Shepard, Wrex has gone from mercenary and bounty hunter to War-Chief of Tuchanka, and Liara from mild-mannered scientist to Shadow Broker. Even new characters weren't immune from it. Vega, despite having a personality better suited for a junior enlisted man, is a lieutenant. That nearly every named Alliance character aboard both versions of Normandy is an officer is an example of it as well. I think the only exceptions were Ashley in ME1 and Traynor in ME2. For comparison to the real world, the ratio of enlisted to officers in the US Marine Corps is 10 to 1. The US Air Force, which has the highest officer to enlisted ratio in the US military (the Marines have the lowest), is 3 enlisted for every 1 officer. The Alliance in contrast seems like it has too many chiefs and not enough Indians. To be fair to Bioware, that sort of thing is common with Sci Fi writers who delve into aspects of military fiction, primarily because most writers don't know what NCOs are or do, and wrongly associate any position in military organizations that has responsibilities or requires leadership with being an officer.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 27, 2016 0:12:36 GMT
When we first me Tali, she's on her pilgrimage, trying to prove she's worthy of adulthood. (Her words, not mine.) Less than three years later, they've made her one of five admirals with military command of the entire species. That was ridiculous, regardless of her "accomplishments". Life experience is needed to lead on that stage. It stretched verisimilitude way past breaking, for me. There's also the issue of the fan service romance in ME2 that downplayed the quarian health conundrum. It also ignored her "barely an adult" situation, but that plays differently for gamers of different ages, no doubt. Then, in ME3, that fan service meant Weekes insisted the child-admiral/love interest be aboard Normandy as a full squaddie, because "think of the Talimancers". It would've made far more sense for the admiral to be with her fleet, and her in-game reasoning for joining Normandy's crew was silly. They could've easily filled out the squaddie list with any of the other dozen options they'd cast aside. Tali, a character with whom I was genuinely happy to reunite on Freedom's Progress, ended up becoming an annoying fan service character. It was very unfortunate writing. While I've said some very nice things about Weekes on this very forum, it's one big reason I'm glad he's gone from Mass Effect. He is a softy who falls in love with characters too easily. I hope he's moved beyond it as the DA Lead. The series had an issue with overuse of the Overranked Soldier trope. By ME3 Tali has gone from FNG to Admiral and government official, Garrus has gone from C-Sec cop to in the line of succession for Primarch of Palaven, Ashley has made the mind-boggling jump from Gunnery Chief to Lt. Commander, Kaidan has jumped from Lieutenant to Major and now technically outranks Shepard, Wrex has gone from mercenary and bounty hunter to War-Chief of Tuchanka, and Liara from mild-mannered scientist to Shadow Broker. Even new characters weren't immune from it. Vega, despite having a personality better suited for a junior enlisted man, is a lieutenant. That nearly every named Alliance character aboard both versions of Normandy is an officer is an example of it as well. I think the only exceptions were Ashley in ME1 and Traynor in ME2. For comparison to the real world, the ratio of enlisted to officers in the US Marine Corps is 10 to 1. The US Air Force, which has the highest officer to enlisted ratio in the US military (the Marines have the lowest), is 3 enlisted for every 1 officer. The Alliance in contrast seems like it has too many chiefs and not enough Indians. To be fair to Bioware, that sort of thing is common with Sci Fi writers who delve into aspects of military fiction, primarily because most writers don't know what NCOs are or do, and wrongly associate any position in military organizations that has responsibilities or requires leadership with being an officer. I also think, for one reason or another, shows tend to focus on officers because its better for the drama. Granted this does not work for Mass Effect since the crews are so small.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 27, 2016 0:24:05 GMT
I don't think Wrex fits much the Overranked Soldier trope though. Other then he is old (in his specie's term) compared to the others who are quite young, he was already a clan leader back in the days, before he became a mercenary. It's not far fetched he became a krogan leader in ME2.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 27, 2016 0:24:37 GMT
She only becomes an Admiral if you keep her from being exiled. If she is exiled, she is just an advisor the other Admirals are keeping secret. And even when she is an Admiral, she herself says it is just a formality and she doesn't have any real command, for example she doesn't preside over any part of the fleet. What makes it even more pathetic in making her an Admiral is the fact she stands still doing nothing while the geth uploads the code. So much for caring for her people. right? Remember on the dreadnought in the control room? If the player waits a couple of moments before activating the console, she will say, "we need to hurry, my people are dying" Where was that concern for her species while the geth uploaded the code? No. She's just some quarian who never cared about her species. Making her an Admiral adding nothing. I would guess Bioware did that because they promoted the other ME1 squadmates. Of course if she's not in ME3, Raan, another worthless quarian Admiral, makes no attempt to stop the upload. Now I'm thinking it would be best to not have them in Andromeda. There was no reason to have her on the roster. She could do the same as Xen and Raan and still be able to get peace. She didn't need to be a squadmate for that Garrus added nothing to the gqame. No reason for him to be a squadmate She should've been sent to Hackett after Mars. No reason to have her in Miranda's office
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Post by themikefest on Nov 27, 2016 0:28:22 GMT
That nearly every named Alliance character aboard both versions of Normandy is an officer is an example of it as well. I think the only exceptions were Ashley in ME1 and Traynor in ME2. For comparison to the real world, the ratio of enlisted to officers in the US Marine Corps is 10 to 1. The US Air Force, which has the highest officer to enlisted ratio in the US military (the Marines have the lowest), is 3 enlisted for every 1 officer. The Alliance in contrast seems like it has too many chiefs and not enough Indians. To be fair to Bioware, that sort of thing is common with Sci Fi writers who delve into aspects of military fiction, primarily because most writers don't know what NCOs are or do, and wrongly associate any position in military organizations that has responsibilities or requires leadership with being an officer. Remember the Alliance is Bioware's military. So they can do whatever they want no matter if you or I don't agree. Remember that Traynor is a Specialist, the same rank as a Corporal, but yet the rank does not exist.
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Post by bshep on Nov 27, 2016 0:35:34 GMT
What makes it even more pathetic in making her an Admiral is the fact she stands still doing nothing while the geth uploads the code. So much for caring for her people. right? Remember on the dreadnought in the control room? If the player waits a couple of moments before activating the console, she will say, "we need to hurry, my people are dying" Where was that concern for her species while the geth uploaded the code? No. She's just some quarian who never cared about her species. Making her an Admiral adding nothing. I would guess Bioware did that because they promoted the other ME1 squadmates. Of course if she's not in ME3, Raan, another worthless quarian Admiral, makes no attempt to stop the upload. Now I'm thinking it would be best to not have them in Andromeda. There was no reason to have her on the roster. She could do the same as Xen and Raan and still be able to get peace. She didn't need to be a squadmate for that Garrus added nothing to the gqame. No reason for him to be a squadmate She should've been sent to Hackett after Mars. No reason to have her in Miranda's office I am sorry but calling Tali/Raan useless and that they didn't care aboutt their people because of the way one cutscene was created is something really stupid. It's like saying Thane didn't cared about his son because he got stabbed by kai Leng. It makes no sense. And by the way, why so salty with everyone else? Seems to me you wanted a game without companions...
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 27, 2016 0:37:22 GMT
To be fair it's not like the Normandy was only formed by officers. There were more common soldiers then officers. They just made the latter being the relevant npcs.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 27, 2016 0:42:08 GMT
I don't really have a problem with these characters getting promoted in such ways, my problem was more along the lines of what they were doing on the Normandy and ostentiably the front lines... especially Liara.
And as an aside didn't tali try and stop legion?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 0:43:54 GMT
That nearly every named Alliance character aboard both versions of Normandy is an officer is an example of it as well. I think the only exceptions were Ashley in ME1 and Traynor in ME2. For comparison to the real world, the ratio of enlisted to officers in the US Marine Corps is 10 to 1. The US Air Force, which has the highest officer to enlisted ratio in the US military (the Marines have the lowest), is 3 enlisted for every 1 officer. The Alliance in contrast seems like it has too many chiefs and not enough Indians. To be fair to Bioware, that sort of thing is common with Sci Fi writers who delve into aspects of military fiction, primarily because most writers don't know what NCOs are or do, and wrongly associate any position in military organizations that has responsibilities or requires leadership with being an officer. Remember the Alliance is Bioware's military. So they can do whatever they want no matter if you or I don't agree. Remember that Traynor is a Specialist, the same rank as a Corporal, but yet the rank does not exist. They can write whatever they want, but some attempt at verisimilitude makes the game more immersive. It's much easier to suspend disbelief when the characters feel like they could be real people, even when the situations they're caught up in are fantastical. The ship in a Mass Effect game is also arguably as much a character as any of the people populating it, and I think it's important than the atmosphere aboard it feel believable. Mass Effect was always at it's strongest when it leaned closer to hard Sci Fi than fantasy. On that note, I wish Chris L'Etoile was still one of the series' writers.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 27, 2016 0:45:04 GMT
I don't really have a problem with these characters getting promoted in such ways, my problem was more along the lines of what they were doing on the Normandy and ostentiably the front lines... especially Liara. And as an aside didn't tali try and stop legion? Garrus' role isn't really that important to prevent him for fighting. Before Shepard's choice, I think so? She doesn't do much after you decide to side with the geth, while Legion does try to stop you.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 27, 2016 0:46:07 GMT
I am sorry but calling Tali/Raan useless and that they didn't care aboutt their people because of the way one cutscene was created is something really stupid. Are saying that because you're a fan of Tali? Having her stand there doing nothing while the geth uploads the code does make not care about her people. Why couldn't she push the geth over the edge? How about shooting the thing? Or better yet, stab the thing in the back? Remember what she did to the geth when it attacked Shepard? She never hesitated, but yet, for some reason, doesn't make any effort to stop the upload. Who is this everyone else you mention? You mean without squadmates? I remember saying I like to have the main character go through the game without having any squadmates at his/her side. But that has more to do with making the game more challenging.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 27, 2016 0:49:15 GMT
I am sorry but calling Tali/Raan useless and that they didn't care aboutt their people because of the way one cutscene was created is something really stupid. Are saying that because you're a fan of Tali? Having her stand there doing nothing while the geth uploads the code does make not care about her people. Why couldn't she push the geth over the edge? How about shooting the thing? Or better yet, stab the thing in the back? Remember what she did to the geth when it attacked Shepard? She never hesitated, but yet, for some reason, doesn't make any effort to stop the upload. Who is this everyone else you mention? You mean without squadmates? I remember saying I like to have the main character go through the game without having any squadmates at his/her side. But that has more to do with making the game more challenging. It's not like squadmates in ME are that helpful. Just set the option of not letting them use their powers on their own, don't pick any yourself, and you're basically fighting alone. They were really just meat shields and combo setups, at best.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 27, 2016 0:49:22 GMT
I don't really have a problem with these characters getting promoted in such ways, my problem was more along the lines of what they were doing on the Normandy and ostentiably the front lines... especially Liara. And as an aside didn't tali try and stop legion? Garrus' role isn't really that important to prevent him for fighting. Before Shepard's choice, I think so? She doesn't do much after you decide to side with the geth, while Legion does try to stop you. Garrus was kind of a grey mark, he was ageneral but really not.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 27, 2016 0:55:24 GMT
It's not like squadmates in ME are that helpful. Just set the option of not letting them use their powers on their own, don't pick any yourself, and you're basically fighting alone. I did a couple of playthroughs like that. They also never had Shepard's back in ME3.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 27, 2016 0:59:30 GMT
It's not like squadmates in ME are that helpful. Just set the option of not letting them use their powers on their own, don't pick any yourself, and you're basically fighting alone. I did a couple of playthroughs like that. They also never had Shepard's back in ME3. I don't find them that different from ME2, to be honest, though I don't get what you mean exactly with not having his back.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 27, 2016 1:09:11 GMT
though I don't get what you mean exactly with not having his back. Remember what happens on Grissom if Jack is not in ME3? Ensign Pranley is killed. Had the squadmates provided cover fire while Shepard was helping Rodriquez to the shuttle, Pranley might not have been killed. When facing Ashley/Kaidan, why couldn't they speak up when Udina says Shepard is working with Cerberus? Remember Garrus on Horizon in ME2? He spoke up when Shepard was talking with Ashley/Kaidan. What changed? They sure are quick to shoot them, but not quick to stand up for Shepard. How about rescuing the ex-Cerberus scientists? Its really embarrassing having Brynn, a scientist, run out to help Shepard, while Jacob, an ME2 squadmate,or his stunt double, provide cover for both. They really showed that they cared about Shepard on that one, didn't they? Too bad I couldn't have Jacob, or his stunt double, and Brynn as squadmates.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 27, 2016 1:21:36 GMT
though I don't get what you mean exactly with not having his back. Remember what happens on Grissom if Jack is not in ME3? Ensign Pranley is killed. Had the squadmates provided cover fire while Shepard was helping Rodriquez to the shuttle, Pranley might not have been killed. When facing Ashley/Kaidan, why couldn't they speak up when Udina says Shepard is working with Cerberus? Remember Garrus on Horizon in ME2? He spoke up when Shepard was talking with Ashley/Kaidan. What changed? They sure are quick to shoot them, but not quick to stand up for Shepard. How about rescuing the ex-Cerberus scientists? Its really embarrassing having Brynn, a scientist, run out to help Shepard, while Jacob, an ME2 squadmate,or his stunt double, provide cover for both. They really showed that they cared about Shepard on that one, didn't they? Too bad I couldn't have Jacob, or his stunt double, and Brynn as squadmates. Yeah, I can't say I agree with you. You're confusing Bioware's decision of make squadmates voiceless in most quests, during dialogues, or non relevant in cutscenes where they're not relevant to the plot, whith them not caring or covering for Shepard. What they didn't in ME3, it's the same as in ME2. And Jack and Jacob in ME3 are central in those quests since they're related to Them. Not that I can make you change your mind about it. Fair enough that you feel that way, but I disagree completely.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 27, 2016 1:26:35 GMT
Yeah, I can't say I agree with you. You're confusing Bioware's decision of make squadmates voiceless in most quests, during dialogues, or non relevant in cutscenes where they're not relevant to the plot, whith them not caring or covering for Shepard. What they didn't in ME3, it's the same as in ME2. And Jack and Jacob in ME3 are central in those quests since they're related to Them. Not that I can make you change your mind about it. Fair enough that you feel that way, but I disagree completely. Squadmates are part of a team. Each one suppose to have each others back. Why would you want someone on your squad who doesn't have your back? But I disagree with your disagree completely.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 27, 2016 1:44:10 GMT
Yeah, I can't say I agree with you. You're confusing Bioware's decision of make squadmates voiceless in most quests, during dialogues, or non relevant in cutscenes where they're not relevant to the plot, whith them not caring or covering for Shepard. What they didn't in ME3, it's the same as in ME2. And Jack and Jacob in ME3 are central in those quests since they're related to Them. Not that I can make you change your mind about it. Fair enough that you feel that way, but I disagree completely. Squadmates are part of a team. Each one suppose to have each others back. Why would you want someone on your squad who doesn't have your back? But I disagree with your disagree completely. Again, it's not like I don't want squadmates that have my back. It's that I don't think the examples you mentioned mean those characters have your back and others don't. Because the same happened in all games, and it's a design decision from Bioware. By the same logic, I shoumd consider that the squadmates are all weaklings and stupid (despite them supposedly be well versed in their fields), instead of just being a design decision or Bioware not be able to design AI well so far. I don't get why you have to mimick my final words (I think I saw you doing that other times to other people), but it's all right. Let's agree to disagree on this issue
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Post by themikefest on Nov 27, 2016 1:47:24 GMT
Because the same happened in all games, Examples?
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