Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread)

Oh I got it now! Sorry, yeah I hope they explain it somehow, if they don't we'll just have to define it ourselves when playing the game... But they have icons as well so maybe they'll be self-explanatory.

I actually like this idea better. I think it will be easier to impliment more realistic "evil" options as well. For example, heart could easily get temperamental and aggressive at certain points, while head could occasionally be more manipulative to get a desired outcome, and casual could be blithely indifferent to others feelings sometimes. This would be much better than the standard "evil" option. And if you wanted to be all good all the time or all bad, you could just pick a different response.

Perhaps the icon could be different. To use Paragon/Renegade as an example, things that were Paragon were blue and things that were Renegade were red. While the Paragon/Renegade system is gone, they could still use lighting or something to denote if the choice is "good" or "bad", the former having a blue tint to the icon and the latter having a red tint to the icon. 

Red and blue tint would be a good callback to the original trilogy while still being its own thing.

If so, I guess I am only playing Scott this time since I wouldn't be able to play Sarah the way I like. So much for replayability. First Bioware game where I only play as one sex, and not even the sex I was planning to be the majority of the time.

It would be very limited. I don't think, I would like. But we'll see, need more details. 

Yeah, I'd rather these were switched personally. I like playing more introverted and stoic female characters since I'm like that in real life. But when I do play male characters, I prefer them to me more emotive and passionate.
Actually, when I look at my favorite Bioware characters of either gender, they tend to fall into those categories.


But I really don't think the difference between the two will be that extreme. Fryda did say in her interviews that part of playing the protagonist is that she doesn't get to be the colorful one - she's our blank canvas for us to move and direct as we see fit, and she's there to be the 'normal' one the other characters contrast with. I believe Tom said something similar. As I've said before, I think we'll have two protagonists with fairly neutral personalities that are only slightly different. I imagine 95% of the dialogue will be identical. And though I do hear Sara as having a bit of snark to her, she sounded measured and logical in the investigation scene. And in that 4k demo, Scott sounded less 'shy introvert' and more... young, curious, confident, excited. Regardless, both will have options to sound brash/reactive (heart), logical/canny (head), diplomatic/direct (professional), or sarcastic/familiar (casual) - my guesses as to what those might mean anyway

So I'm not worried As you say, we'll find out more in the coming months as we see more gameplay footage.

I'm afraid that it's going to be exactly like that. If it will then my enjoyment of the game goes way down and I'll end with one playthrough, thats even less than DAI (2 playthroughs) and I wasn't even fond of that game 

Shy, introverted, patient and intuitive sound nice...if that's what they mean with "stoic" I'll be more than happy about Scotts personality. I just hope they don't create a Jacob 2.0. A stoic personality can become boring very easily if it's done wrong. I remember Hawke. Sarcastic, cocky Hawke was simply the best. The other two personalities were overshadowed by it most of the time. But I hope for the best.

I have to say that I usually play a mostly but not full sarcastic Hawke and for the most part it feels ok, but there are moments when the transitions definitely seem too abrupt, and even if I can agree that most of the time it's up to the player to create inconsistent characters, I'd say that in DA2 there were moments when it was not. Also there were times when some choices was associated whit an specific tone and the dialogue could turn out worng. I had the same problem with the toned-autodialogued, there are moments when I hate what sarcastic Hawke says (after your mother dies it is  ) and I hate that I have no chance to prevent it, so I usully have to skip the cutscene and pretend it didnt happen  

Alh that said, all this little problems led me to think that I'd enjoy a more neutral PC, or at least lines with a more neutral delivery, and though it's true the Inqusitor sounds more natural to me, I agree that it is at the expense of sounding bland so, all in all, DAI made me realised I was wrong now I know I rather deal with minor inconsistencies
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As for Sara and Scott, I guess I'm on the wait and see camp, though I'm a little concerned, because I see some potential dangers in it, and no so much potential benefits, at least for now, since I don't agree with the "more replayability" argument (maybe there are others potential benefits I haven't read about?) because for me replayablity lies in the number of choices available, regardless of their distribution and  I don't understand what "didn't really work" in Shepard being the same character regadless of the gender  

So, If the defined personality it's more about the VA and the wording of some options, that's fine; if it's about backgrounds and the starting point, so to speak, it's fine too as long as you're given some room to express how you feel about it; if it is about the autodialogue, it will obviously depend on the amount of it and how much can it potentially clash with the personality I give to my PC, which is the same problem one would always have with autodialogue so, if anything, what worries me about this possibility is not really Sara and Scott having diffferent personalities in itself but the chance that they might be giving them more autodialogue with that excuse. 

Now, if it's about having some different options available in certain ocassions, that would bother me. I think it's reasonable having a few tied to your background and to your gender/race/class or whatever, but I'd rather have them as an additonal choice, as they usually are, since I can imagine that those are factors that might actually influence some of your reactions in some circumstances, but you're not always speaking from than point of view, and what speaking from than point of view could mean, in fact, would vary from person to person, so if you're forced to speak as a woman, as an elf, or anything else, the appropiate thing would be having a few choices to do so, and if that's not the case, then better let us just ignore that option if we feel it doesn't suit our PC and react just like a kind/sarcastic/agresive/whatever person instead of as a woman/elf/whatever, and the best thing for RP, IMO, would be having all of these personality options always avaiable to every possible PC, regardless of the choices made in the CC.

And sorry for the wall of text .

Stoic means more like being able to take a lot of hardship or pain without complaining. That could definitely be broadened somewhat. Example: If Scott felt that he nor his sister were quite ready to step in father's shoes because of lack of experience or they just expected Dad to be around, he'd still quietly accept the role and do his best. There would be no protest, no whining, no lamenting to others. He'd just quietly go about the business of leadership and work on improving his skills. He would also not let any grief show. Not to most people anyway.

This could also apply to Sara, but I do see her leading more with her heart than her head.

^You are making assumptions, Muffin.

You really shouldn't do that. There is nothing that says Scott has to be featured, but you can bet I'll have my fingers crossed. For Liam too.