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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 5, 2016 19:16:43 GMT
Element Zero, you gotta understand, I have inquisitor PTSD! So anything even remotely reminding me of that experience triggers me. You are correct though. Which is why I said too early to tell. Just the vibes I get off her. But we don't know anything yet. True that. I am aware, believe me.
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Post by javeart on Dec 5, 2016 19:17:33 GMT
I fully agree! More life experience = more interesting to me. Of course it makes sense to send young people on the voyage so I guess it's fine. They could do time jumps like in DA2 to simulate maturing. I'd like that a lot. I love Shepard exactly for the reasons you stated. There is nothing interesting about a bright-eyed sheltered young protagonist who's not experienced any hardships in life yet. It's fine if these things happen in-game as the story progresses. I mean, the shit that happened to Hawke and their family was bad. And they were refugees. If this sort of narrative was a blueprint for MEA, I'd be all for it. Yet I look at that snippet of Sara and I see a naive child and it's not appealing at all to me personally. Of course that first impression might not be accurate. And we don't know the background of the siblings. But everything about Sara screams joyful and optimistic, that bounce in her step... Tt's part of my issue with the inquisitor as well. Apart from the scary situation with the anchor (and the consequence in Trespasser), nothing too bad happens to the hero personally. Sure, Haven burned down and people died. But they were not family members or friends. Subjecting the inquisitor to the Solas romance and having her entire world turned upside down regarding her own people is the closest thing to a profound experience I can think of. But at no point did the inquisitor have it particularly rough unless you specifically roleplay such a background. But then the whole overly pleasant schoolteacher demeanor wouldn't make sense. Which brings me back to my point I made elsewhere that the roleplaying opportunities were actually severely restricted compared to Hawke ironically. Aggressive Hawke is an unpleasant person. And I roleplayed her as somebody who was extremely angry at the world for the shit card she and her family was dealt. I could do that because these three personalities were actually very different from each other. Both the setting and the dialogue choices made the inquisitor hard to roleplay for me as somebody other than a clueless idiot. I HOPE Andromeda gives us far greater ropelaying opportunities from diplomatic to downright rude and ruthless as time goes by and things don't go as planned. If Ryder doesn't have intriguing backgrounds to choose from that are being referenced throughout the game, I want to see some character development as I play. These things take time though, people don't change over night, so time jumps are still my personal preference. It would also be a handy tool to show how colonization progresses. If Ryder actually aged visibly, that would be the icing on the cake. I thought about the possibility of something like DA2 too, but I don't see it happening, the story would probably be all about traveling in space, not so much in time. Maybe in MEA 2, will get to play the older, and more experienced character we'd like to. Unless they decide to come up with a new and younger PC again But I guess that's unlikely, since Sara surely is among the youngest oin the AI and I assume there' will be no new explorers coming (not in while at least), so older PCs and NPCs are guaranteed by then, at least By now I suppose evolution in-game will have to do
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Post by dalinne on Dec 5, 2016 22:55:22 GMT
Element Zero , you gotta understand, I have inquisitor PTSD! So anything even remotely reminding me of that experience triggers me. You are correct though. Which is why I said too early to tell. Just the vibes I get off her. But we don't know anything yet. True that. I am aware, believe me.
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Post by javeart on Dec 5, 2016 23:23:18 GMT
You ladies seem to be building some pretty intricate personality profiles for Sara Ryder based off of very limited data. Is she young? Yes. Is she a completely unprepared, untrained child? No. Kappa Neko even called her naive. I never saw naive. I saw the confident swagger of a Pathfinder, and choices made by the player that I'd not have made myself. (Escalating a social encounter solely to demo that interrupt/disarm.) I'm in my late 30s, now. I get the appeal of a more mature protagonist, and the potential hurdles in connecting with a younger one. It's a key part of the narrative of MEA, though. We get to guide Ryder's growth. Even when I was young, I was advanced far beyond most people my age, and even the vast majority of adults to be honest (maybe not in experience, but undeniably in abilities.) BioWare never assigns us peasant #8 as our PC. Ryder will be special from the start. Already, she has completed pathfinder training before we even take the wheel. She won't be some naive child, unless you choose to play her that way. The same applies to her companions. We aren't hanging with the Disney kids in this game. All indications are that Cora and Drack were fighting beside Alec Ryder before they join our Ryder. They've likely had extensive combat training and/or experience. I don't see any little kids. Real life wars are fought mostly by people this age, not by old folks our age. We are the minority on the battlefield. Oops, I missed thispost earlier, I went directly to reply to Kappa Nekko, sorry. I know I'm assuming a lot, I thought I've said as much, but maybe I didn't or not very clearly... Still, they did say that she wasn't a character like Shepard, that's she was starting her carrier, that she was a more of blank slate. I don't remember the exact words, but that was the spirit, wasn't it? Of course, we'll see exactly what that means and how much of a young girl without much in her past she is in the end, but if they say something like that, I expect that probaby a lot. And, that doesn't sound appealing to me, that's the plain truth But, yes, let me insist and make it clear, it might not be like that, or maybe I won't dislike it even if it is, this are only my assupmtions based in what little information we have Also, and in a more general note, I have to say that it's not only a problem of being more or less relatable, it's more about the kind of characters that I like. I don't want a PC in her thirties because I'm already I'm my thirties, I liked the sam type of characters when I was in my twenties: a PC (and the same goes for the NPCs which I spend more time with) that's more experienced, that knows more about the world, thar have more of a past, I don't know exactly ow to put it... That's something that usually comes with age, but not only and not inevitably, of course, there are people in their twenties that have been through more in life and that might be more mature than people in their forties, that's for sure. That's why I said a 19 years old Elli sounds like a great protagonist to me. But again, all of this speculation on my part, we'll see and all that, I just took the chance to complain about my fears in this regard because the subject of Sara's age was already been discused edit: oh, I forgot to mention that I don't doubt she will be trained and prepaired, but qualification it's not my concern, it's more of a personality question... well, what I tried to explain before, I hope I got to make any sense
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Post by jamiecotc on Dec 6, 2016 3:03:29 GMT
While I can understand the young protagonist not being very appealing, nearly every CRPGs of old was always about the young, starry eyed farmboy (or girl) going on some adventure. Still, I look forward to shaping Sara's story and shaping her character w/ experiences in game. I dearly hope the story will live up to that expectation and we can explore her character as much as we can explore the terrain. As for Shepard, she will forever be my favorite video game protagonist. I loved that she was experienced, but beyond ME1 her backstory didn't seem to count for much (and got in the way if you went w/ Sole Survivor in ME2). Still, I liked that she had a life beforehand and Jennifer Hale sold it it so well. But back to Ryder. ME3 took a lot of control away from the player and DAI really didn't allow for much character building. I hope, I hope, I hope we will have more control over Sara (and Scott) in MEA. Too young or not, whatever your preference, I would love to really build a great character again in a BioWare game.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 6, 2016 6:23:55 GMT
Element Zero , you gotta understand, I have inquisitor PTSD! So anything even remotely reminding me of that experience triggers me. You are correct though. Which is why I said too early to tell. Just the vibes I get off her. But we don't know anything yet. True that. I am aware, believe me. Now I'm starting to deeply regret drinking from the Well, if I've got to deal with Elven Voyeurs for all eternity.
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Post by Nashimura on Dec 7, 2016 22:24:47 GMT
I don't really like experienced protagonists personally (in my RPG's anyway), just the feeling that i am just being told how badass they are.... id rather create those stories myself, like with Dragon Age Origins, all the origins are quite fresh faced and inexperience, but even by the end of doing the 3 treaties they feel like hardened experienced warriors... with stories and respect all created through in game actions.
Having people come up to Shepard and say "oh wow, your that guy who did that cool thing" is a nice little call back... i suppose, but it's just informed respect, given out for no reason, id rather earn that response in game
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 8, 2016 10:56:36 GMT
Now I'm starting to deeply regret drinking from the Well, if I've got to deal with Elven Voyeurs for all eternity. Don't drink the Kool-Aid. Ever. No way was I going to touch that shit. I laughed so gleefully when Morrigan drank from the well and her mommy appeared. She so deserved that! Best moment in the game. ...then I felt bad for her. *g*
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Post by KirkyX on Dec 8, 2016 21:59:40 GMT
*bites lip* Well, I do really enjoy murder--but is it worth the mess? Ah, decisions.
You do realise I could just Nova this whole room, right?I'd need a better look at it to say for sure, but I kinda dig this new armour's whole vibe. Might be my favourite of the trailer, 'specially that Minbari-lookin' helmet. *ahem*So, I have a buncha Sara screenshots sitting around from the most recent trailer, and I thought I might as well do something with them? That one at the top's my favourite - I dub thee 'Murder Contemplation Face' - and the rest are in this spoiler tag:
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Post by Serza on Dec 8, 2016 22:09:51 GMT
I really like the way she looks. Can't help it.
And that is a hood. Else my eyes no longer function properly.
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Post by hammerstorm on Dec 8, 2016 22:34:08 GMT
The picture with her weird smile makes me think "Oh sorry, reflex". And I want to be able to Nova (or something) People that act like they are above me. "Oh, I am the leader over this gang so watch...." "NOVA IN THE FACE!!"
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 8, 2016 23:05:49 GMT
I have to say, the cloaking looks amazing. You really can barely see her and only if you know where to look. On harder difficulties I imagine cloaking enemies will be a real threat.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 8, 2016 23:34:54 GMT
I have to say, the cloaking looks amazing. You really can barely see her and only if you know where to look. On harder difficulties I imagine cloaking enemies will be a real threat. Yeah, I know this BSN has its legions of Vanguard fans, but that Tactical Cloak impresses me much more. It looks really good, and makes me want to play an Infiltrator now, as in at this moment. I wonder when the MP beta will begin?
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2016 0:16:28 GMT
Ryder: Look at this place! It's a testament to collaboration, camaraderie and unific... hey, does that place sell Shawarma? I really hope we can play Ryder as a tad batty, like you could do with a Sarcastic Hawke.
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Post by KirkyX on Dec 9, 2016 0:34:42 GMT
Ryder: Look at this place! It's a testament to collaboration, camaraderie and unific... hey, does that place sell Shawarma? I really hope we can play Ryder as a tad batty, like you could do with a Sarcastic Hawke. Yeeeeesss, all the mildly-deranged sarcastic options! I think, of the four dialogue options we've seen so far, there's at least the potential for, say, 'Get over yourself' to be reasonably Sarky Hawke-esque, depending on what the full line is/how it's read. For what it's worth, the tweets seem promising : Laurasaurus Dax @jadzaea (Love this twitter handle, for semi-obvious reasons. ) @frydawolff Here's my big question: does Ryder get to be sarcastic in every convo? Can I become the biggest troll in Andromeda? #dreams Fryda Wolff @frydawolff .@joshingtron 's most repeated direction "Fryda, can you... can you please be nicer? Please. Be nice. Pretend." --- Kennedy Elise Walton @jamespeppersalt Can I be a sarcastic little shit this time around? Like, Garrett Hawke levels of sarcasm? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon If you so choose, Ryder has plenty of fun opportunities for snark. #SpaceSnark Tom Taylorson @taylorson Yes. Yes you can. Be-LIEVE me - yes you can.
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Post by Pon.ee on Dec 9, 2016 12:19:24 GMT
I have to say, the cloaking looks amazing. You really can barely see her and only if you know where to look. On harder difficulties I imagine cloaking enemies will be a real threat. Yeah, I know this BSN has its legions of Vanguard fans, but that Tactical Cloak impresses me much more. It looks really good, and makes me want to play an Infiltrator now, as in at this moment. I wonder when the MP beta will begin? As someone that always plays infiltrator this makes me EXCEEDINGLY happy
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Post by azarhal on Dec 9, 2016 14:20:46 GMT
My Sara Ryder is going to be a cloaked Vanguard. I'm even tempted in using the default look, I actually like it.
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Post by Serza on Dec 9, 2016 16:37:52 GMT
Definitely a cloaker here.
Probably some tech related powers on top of that. But definitely Combat. I'm planning on doing some relatively combat-oriented class.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 16:55:01 GMT
Definitely a cloaker here. Probably some tech related powers on top of that. But definitely Combat. I'm planning on doing some relatively combat-oriented class. Not to turn the Sara thread into the combat thread, but there is a "smoke bomb" power, now. Cloak, smoke, light 'em up! Alternately, use it to withdraw from a bad spot, before turning around and using it offensively. It seems like the "Infiltrator archetype" may have gotten some cool expansions. To make this on-topic, you could play as Sara while smoking out the baddies.
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Post by Serza on Dec 9, 2016 19:22:53 GMT
I definitely am. That's why I got no trouble saying this here, because I'm playing her.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Dec 9, 2016 22:54:35 GMT
This is especially odd, considering humans supposedly reach 150, "if we're lucky". Apparently, we dry up by 60 and just sit around for 90 years waiting to die, if the artists are to be trusted.That's something I always wondered about too, not helped by the fact that we didn't meet anyone who was stated to be older than we'd find today (or even older than Hackett, really). I just watched the gameplay again. I like to hear more of Sara's voice in another trailer or gameplay video Her look is ok. The bouncing when moving was funny to watch. Wonder if that will get fixed? Her smiling was...funny. I'm sure that will get fixed. Curious what other hairstyles will be available for her. Are you referring to the jogging animation? It's mocapped, so it just looks like a person jogging. Personally, I'm a much bigger fan of the new animation than the old ones we've had. Yeah. I was told I look 25-ish back when I was still nineteen. And "generic" voice is another non-issue for me. Generic means anyone could have it, which... not a problem. Her (and Scott's) "generic" voice isn't a problem for me, I'd just have rather had something more iconic/memorable/unique etc.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2016 22:58:36 GMT
As others have said, barring some fun options in the CC, I definitely plan to use default Sara as my first playthrough.
(And I never knew I needed it until now, but something like a Cloaked Vanguard would totally suits my playstyle)
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Post by themikefest on Dec 9, 2016 23:03:39 GMT
Are you referring to the jogging animation? It's mocapped, so it just looks like a person jogging. Personally, I'm a much bigger fan of the new animation than the old ones we've had. I've never seen a jogger "bounce" like Sara does in that scene.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Dec 10, 2016 1:17:54 GMT
I fully agree! More life experience = more interesting to me. Of course it makes sense to send young people on the voyage so I guess it's fine. They could do time jumps like in DA2 to simulate maturing. I'd like that a lot. *snip* I'm all for some interesting personal struggles for the protagonist in a story, which can come in a great variety of forms (and is something I liked Trespasser for adding to DA:I), but I personally don't think "struggle" = "Tons of terrible stuff has happened/will happen to the protagonist" edit: oh, I forgot to mention that I don't doubt she will be trained and prepaired, but qualification it's not my concern, it's more of a personality question... well, what I tried to explain before, I hope I got to make any sense I'm fairly neutral about Ryder's age, since a younger or older protagonist each has advantages and disadvantages. I liked that Shepard felt like she actually existed before I started controlling her, making her seem like a real person in the universe and not only a player avatar. Other the other hand, it made it odd to keep asking questions she should already know the answers to, like basics about the galaxy, tech, or species culture/biology. An advantage of a younger/less experienced RPG protagonist is that it's easier (by necessity) to show how awesome they are as you go, rather than be informed of it because of events you weren't present for as a player/avatar-driver, as Nashimura pointed out. While not a huge issue, it also makes the inevitable leveling up make slightly more sense. That advantage also pairs with it being more natural to shape your character if they haven't experienced as much in their lives yet. This could also be a minor RP advantage for romance, depending on what you're looking to do (for instance for my comparatively-older characters, I've had to headcanon that they've been very unlucky when it comes to romance since they are still single but would rather not be. The younger they are, the less weird that is). As long as they don't apply the traits people are worried about Ryder being (naive etc.) onto autodialogue or all options in a scene, it shouldn't be a problem since we'll just get to choose whatever they say/think anyway, as usual. *bites lip* Well, I do really enjoy murder--but is it worth the mess? Ah, decisions.
You do realise I could just Nova this whole room, right? *ahem*So, I have a buncha Sara screenshots sitting around from the most recent trailer, and I thought I might as well do something with them? That one at the top's my favourite - I dub thee 'Murder Contemplation Face' - and the rest are in this spoiler tag: About the bolded: Someone's either been reading my posts, or great minds think alike "So even if that turian shot Ryder, it would be more analogous to a warning shot than anything else. And it might not be a smart thing to do, since it wouldn't put her down; she could Nova the whole room, say."
Is it just me, or does it start precipitating only after the Tempest flies over? You know, like rain from a storm cloud... or a tempest? Super awesome that you can combine the jump-pack with abilities like Charge! I wonder if it breaks Cloak. Jump-Pack, Charge, the Sword... looks like I might have to roll a Vanguard this time! Had lots of fun with highly-mobile melee classes in MP, among others of course. And that biting-lip shot is super creepy The picture with her weird smile makes me think "Oh sorry, reflex". And I want to be able to Nova (or something) People that act like they are above me. "Oh, I am the leader over this gang so watch...." "NOVA IN THE FACE!!" I definitely hope we can do some stuff like that in interrupts/cutscenes I don't want everyone to forget about their powers and abilities in them as was common in the original trilogy. Oh, and please don't force our characters to be dumb/hesitant in cutscenes, too, Bioware. That was also fairly common I have to say, the cloaking looks amazing. You really can barely see her and only if you know where to look. On harder difficulties I imagine cloaking enemies will be a real threat. It does look good! Or... doesn't look... like much at all? Which is good? While you could be right about it making some enemies quite difficult, I've gotten very good at seeing cloaked people from years of playing Halo and Crysis (and Mass Effect of course). I say let them come I wonder when the MP beta will begin? I really hope they have a demo like they did for ME3 (not to mention it's the reason I'm here now talking to you all). Aside from bringing in new players, it should hype pre-orderers, lock-in people on the fence (if it's fun obviously) and help polish the game due to more feedback. Seems like a win-win to me. Ryder: Look at this place! It's a testament to collaboration, camaraderie and unific... hey, does that place sell Shawarma? I really hope we can play Ryder as a tad batty, like you could do with a Sarcastic Hawke. Yeeeeesss, all the mildly-deranged sarcastic options! I think, of the four dialogue options we've seen so far, there's at least the potential for, say, 'Get over yourself' to be reasonably Sarky Hawke-esque, depending on what the full line is/how it's read. Fryda Wolff @frydawolff .@joshingtron 's most repeated direction "Fryda, can you... can you please be nicer? Please. Be nice. Pretend." I very much look forward to snarky/sarcastic/dry/funny options! I have to say though, that I hope they improve the paraphrases if that's the case, since it's unclear exactly what some of those will end up actually meaning. Classic Bioware, right? But if they don't give us the option to see the full line by hovering over an option, I will be disappoint. It's been suggested for years, and seems like a perfectly reasonable solution to paraphrasing issues. But why would Fryda need to sound nice for the sarcastic options? Hopefully she does the nice options well /Worried Banshee
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