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Post by Zitrus on Jun 19, 2017 17:10:59 GMT
I always saw it as a bug when I read about it but your explanation is kinda cute. They could have Ryder laugh at it or something to show he is not offended.
That line is definitely from the non-romanced version. I don't know if it was like this before (probably not since it's new to you) but now Sara in a romance with him gets the queen line and when you talk to Vetra again the one you mentioned as well. A bit overkill, she is warning her twice in a row: Queen bla...he lied to you. Ok bye. Oh hi again, btw he lied to you before.
Cora is very by the book and law-abiding. She's wary of him but tries to understand Ryder's feelings for him.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jun 19, 2017 18:17:30 GMT
Aw, so they did. Thanks for informing us. If people were offended at being called a Queen then I suppose making the cut was justified, but I found it funny. To me it was a continuation of Turians being interested, but not very well versed in human culture. Vetra may have read somewhere something like "the ancient Earth kingdom of France was ruled by a King, whose spouse was called a Queen" and not having an inkling about gender meaning anything there. OT was full of these moments (who else remembers Lorik Qui'in?), but they lessened as the trilogy went on (e.g. ME1 Turian spirituality versus ME3 Garrus speaking of human style "Turian heaven"). Wildly off topic, but I always loved aliens being alien and to me Vetra was being like that at that moment.
Anyway, what I got instead the Queen of Kadara line was an exchange I haven't heard before. Vetra cautions Ryder and says that he may think the Charlatan is "an ally", but "he's already lied to you once". Both their lines sound like something Ryders that don't romance Reyes get. Anybody know? Soooo.... if that's the case, M/M content was just axed and replaced with no-romance dialogue. No new replacement lines, no animation fixes, just removal. :/ Sort of dampens my interest in playing, again, despite the cool and good new CC and the heavenly new mods. I'm also being tempted by the new mini DLC for Tyranny. :smiles:
Re: Cora, it seems she really just doesn't like Reyes. There's also the Nomad banter between her and Vetra where she makes a dig at Reyes out of nowhere. Although she says that Reyes does seem to care about Ryder if Ryder's pissed off about Reyes' lying, which seems like she's at least being charitable towards him. I think that's the least she can be towards her boss' gentleman friend, haha.
Edit: Thinking a little bit more, why the nixing of Vetra's lines being sad for me, is because I enjoyed her comments during the run of the romance and her smuggler connections creating another angle there. For me, it was Vetra who said the "So, you and Reyes...?" line during the Roekaar quest, and then there's stuff like the comment by Cora that I mentioned above. If Peebee's line about Reyes wasn't there, I might not even notice. But Vetra had this cool dynamic there the entire time.
That's well thought out. I don't play as Scott and really don't see any need to make a male run, but I thought it was a damn hilarious bug. This even makes it a justified hilarious bug. People take issue with things too quickly these days, if you ask me. I got this line from Vetra too, which is fine as she's my Ryder's own right hand turian so if anybody has the right it's her, but there are still some troubling implications At the time she says it Ryder has spoken to the man two or three times (depending on the Kelly meeting), the companions were not around for most of it. Where did she get the "you and Reyes" part? Did she listen behind a corner? Make somebody listen behind a corner? How did she make the guess? What the hell, Vetra? Me and Reyes are meeting in a fucking murderer hideout and one of us seems to have his watch still set on Milky way time...
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Post by starlord on Jun 19, 2017 18:20:43 GMT
**still continues to hold on to the ship... LOL I don't know why, but I enjoy the AU stuff, I was thisclose to doing an AU where Cora is the Pathfinder, although I couldn't find anything worth while to explore in that instance... I feel like she wouldn't really do anything 100% out of left field or anything. AU's and what if's seem to be crazy fun for me. Especially when they help me avoid doing work I don't want to do... LOL Crap I got Kaetus confused with another Turian. I meant Kandros... Womp womp (I even wrote a fan fiction about Kaetus and I confuse him for someone else... WTF!) BTW- I found my Ryder's dress. www.lacarmina.com/blog/2016/05/alien-botany-dresses-zoetica-ebb-cyber-fashion/zoeticaebb.com/shop/alien-botany-dress-venenumSO futuristic and colourful. I feel like my Ryder would enjoy it... After some solid egging from Vetra, Suvi and Cora to actually try the damn thing on haha Cora is just.. Cora, I guess. Not to say she's boring...I like her well enough but she certainly isn't exciting. A good character to have around, but to make a protagonist of? Doubtful. Lol. Whatever, right? Turians starting with K, looking similar, if you swapped them, nobody would be the wiser if they wouldn't start comlaining about it... Those are brilliant. They remind me of the ultra-modern super fabric Jien was wearing when Suvi met her... and embarassed herself for life with her request I became more of a Cora fan after putting Cora and Vetra together in the squad. They are so sweet and adorable together- it really motivates me to kinda explore their friendship. Their banter, although nothing really exciting, is MUCH better than Liam and Vetra attack fest. (#teamVetra btw) I loved it----- might've googled "futuristic dress" to find it
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jun 19, 2017 18:37:16 GMT
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jun 19, 2017 18:38:45 GMT
Careful with the NSFW art, that can get this place reported to proboards because of it. ah gotcha, will stop posting it. Maybe we need an NSFW Reyes PM group.
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Post by orchid on Jun 19, 2017 19:17:07 GMT
Thanks. It's funny how I thought nothing of it when playing. Vetra's translator is translating alien languages into Turian, she hears Reyes' name as "kings", thinks " these human names...", then after the take-over recalls that king is a title for a powerful ruler, and decides to make an extremely clever pun about kings and consorts for her human friend that's dating Reyes (compare with the steak attempt). And it's a mess of a metaphor, but Ryder thinks it's funny, because it is (I laughed). Seems harmless to me, but I guess I wouldn't want to be called a queen by a stranger or something, so I can't be mad about removing it if it upset people. Still I believe that since they recorded and included the lines also for m!Ryder, it never was an actual bug and that they thought of it as a jokey thing that could be shared by both genders. I don't know how Sara speaks it, but M!Ryder's voice direction here is good humored and relaxed, it all just comes across as cute banter. Edit: I think every squad member except for Drack can make that comment. Vetra's a bit different (and better) AFAIK, others just say "You like him, huh?" or something. Oh, Liam tells Ryder to keep it in his(/her?) pants. I think at that point it's possible to have flirted once or twice with Reyes at Tartarus, where squaddies are present, so they can be aware of the development. I wonder if Ryder's line is spoken differently if Reyes isn't romanced? At least m!Ryder delivers the line with telling concern, which I loved.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jun 19, 2017 19:35:31 GMT
Thanks. It's funny how I thought nothing of it when playing. Vetra's translator is translating alien languages into Turian, she hears Reyes' name as "kings", thinks " these human names...", then after the take-over recalls that king is a title for a powerful ruler, and decides to make an extremely clever pun about kings and consorts for her human friend that's dating Reyes (compare with the steak attempt). And it's a mess of a metaphor, but Ryder thinks it's funny, because it is (I laughed). Seems harmless to me, but I guess I wouldn't want to be called a queen by a stranger or something, so I can't be mad about removing it if it upset people. Still I believe that since they recorded and included the lines also for m!Ryder, it never was an actual bug and that they thought of it as a jokey thing that could be shared by both genders. I don't know how Sara speaks it, but M!Ryder's voice direction here is good humored and relaxed, it all just comes across as cute banter. Rofl. And just like that you make it even better. Sad that you can't really expect people to appreciate things that require some thinking on their part, whether it's just an attempt to make sense of a bug, or the stuff that is intentional. Wonder how the translators really work, though. This is advanced 23rd century or so tech, it should not do embarassing stuff like translate names. (I'm the one to talk, you know, I can't let go of the fact whenever I see him and it doesn't help telling myself that there are likely to be many people with that name ). It never translates names for us though.. would be fair to know what Vetra means... But then, reyes is a commonly used word, easily translatable, few names are like that. Edit of my own: and every squadmate is equally guilty (except for Liam, perhaps, and this is like the first time ever Liam's off the hook. he just makes the comment a casual tease. and Drack, who doesn't give a quad, lol) Seeing someone flirting once doesn't justify any assumptions about the relationship between the flirting parties. (i'm not complaining in any way. i love that they comment. It would just make more sense if they commented a bit later when the development is apparent. But as it is, I just have my ryder go "huh. what?" obsessively considering how the hell they got to an assumption like that, (hell, she herself doen't know she likes him at that point) quip something back, and make a funny scene out of it.) If Reyes isn't romanced, they probably say nothing of the sort, do they?
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Post by Schmooples on Jun 19, 2017 20:10:38 GMT
RIP innocent little joke/bug/whateveryouwannacallit I really liked. Maker, people these days are way too sensitive, aren't they. Did they remove Scott's line about him wanting to be a space princess, too? At this point, I wouldn't even be surprised if they did. Tbh I'm losing more and more interest in my new PT. Ah well, time to replay DAI, I guess.
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Post by Zitrus on Jun 19, 2017 20:35:04 GMT
That's well thought out. I don't play as Scott and really don't see any need to make a male run, but I thought it was a damn hilarious bug. This even makes it a justified hilarious bug. People take issue with things too quickly these days, if you ask me. Thanks. It's funny how I thought nothing of it when playing. Vetra's translator is translating alien languages into Turian, she hears Reyes' name as "kings", thinks " these human names...", then after the take-over recalls that king is a title for a powerful ruler, and decides to make an extremely clever pun about kings and consorts for her human friend that's dating Reyes (compare with the steak attempt). And it's a mess of a metaphor, but Ryder thinks it's funny, because it is (I laughed). Seems harmless to me, but I guess I wouldn't want to be called a queen by a stranger or something, so I can't be mad about removing it if it upset people. Still I believe that since they recorded and included the lines also for m!Ryder, it never was an actual bug and that they thought of it as a jokey thing that could be shared by both genders. I don't know how Sara speaks it, but M!Ryder's voice direction here is good humored and relaxed, it all just comes across as cute banter. This is gold. Sara is chill about it as well. Maybe it was just Vetra calling him baroness then which was buggy? Make baron out of it and it's fine? (Sara is bugged now imo, getting both of Vetra's talks. The other companions don't do that). Yes, you have to flirt in Tartarus to get the romance banter for the Roekaar mission. The one flirt after meeting Sloane won't cut it. Ryder's delivery is the same if romanced or not. The squad mates don't say anything. Instead, SAM says he doesn't detect signs of Reyes and asks if they should proceed without him and then Ryder answers "That's not..." RIP innocent little joke/bug/whateveryouwannacallit I really liked. Maker, people these days are way too sensitive, aren't they. Did they remove Scott's line about him wanting to be a space princess, too?At this point, I wouldn't even be surprised if they did. Tbh I'm losing more and more interest in my new PT. Ah well, time to replay DAI, I guess. Lol, when does he say that?
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Post by Schmooples on Jun 19, 2017 20:49:43 GMT
RIP innocent little joke/bug/whateveryouwannacallit I really liked. Maker, people these days are way too sensitive, aren't they. Did they remove Scott's line about him wanting to be a space princess, too?At this point, I wouldn't even be surprised if they did. Tbh I'm losing more and more interest in my new PT. Ah well, time to replay DAI, I guess. Lol, when does he say that? Vetra romance, when you return to Meridian and talk to her. VideoFound that out during my first PT, when I romanced Vetra and Peebee (oops). Had a good laugh.
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Post by starlord on Jun 19, 2017 21:47:04 GMT
This is a little embarrassing, but I can't seem to remember (I played this on my Xbox that's chilling in storage right now) During the end game, only the Hyperion crashed on Meridian. The Nexus is still up and operational, just minus that Arc. I'm writing a scene on the Nexus, and there's a part of me thats 99.99999999% sure that the Nexus didn't fall and that it's just the Hyperion because of Captain Dunn, but my memory is terrible. Fic Update: Ps. The fan fiction is going pretty well so far! Ironing out the Reyes ball infiltration thing. I'm having a blast writing this!
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Post by Zitrus on Jun 19, 2017 22:46:01 GMT
Your memory is right, only the Hyperion crashed, the Nexus is still safe and sound in space. That's what we like to hear, keep going.
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Post by starlord on Jun 20, 2017 8:43:12 GMT
It might be because of the new update, but Peebee has a comment about romanced Reyes after high noon!
She comments that the outlaws are nice to her, but notes that "your boyfriend Reyes can't keep them all in check."
It's hella cute to hear about him in just the arena of boyfriend, rather than "he lied to you! RA RA RA."
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Post by Zitrus on Jun 20, 2017 10:11:49 GMT
I'm pretty sure it's not new. But still nice.
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Post by starlord on Jun 21, 2017 6:43:59 GMT
Made tons of progress tonight... Might I add a post about how much I fucking LOVE Keema? They better not turn her into an Udina... I love her dynamic with Reyes so much and I hope she develops as a character... PS. Everyone thank you so much for your support. Before posting about planning to write my fic, I hadent't written in ages and all of the comments I got really motivate me to keep going! I'm feeling really sappy rn sorry lmao XD I don't think I have had this much fun writing in such a long time, and thats all because of this kick ass thread! I really hope when the fic drops, it meets your expectations. media.giphy.com/media/NI4FNMb4tJEYM/giphy.gif
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Post by Zitrus on Jun 21, 2017 18:18:03 GMT
I could see Keema developing in a few directions, she seems ambitious. I wanted to say we all have bad taste in threads, but nah. It's the best. A companion for the late night writing. Source
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jun 21, 2017 19:18:46 GMT
I could see Keema developing in a few directions, she seems ambitious. I wanted to say we all have bad taste in threads, but nah. It's the best. Let' just say that our taste in threads matches our taste in men. Wouldn't have it any other way. Enjoying it until Keema gets us all. (And she will... seen the cigar? A bad omen) (And that picture? yaay)
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Post by tehprincessj on Jun 21, 2017 19:19:34 GMT
Ooh, I like. Reyes totally reads our dirty fanfic.
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Post by orchid on Jun 21, 2017 19:49:45 GMT
Let' just say that our taste in threads matches our taste in men. Wouldn't have it any other way. Enjoying it until Keema gets us all. ( And she will... seen the cigar? A bad omen) I concur. Keema in fact sounds downright contemptuous both times she refers to Ryder being Reyes' weak spot. Reyes in turn seems ill-humored by her teasing; he doesn't joke back, just cuts her short immediately. Maybe it's just me reacting against the "this wacky crew sure can feel like family sometimes!" sort of comments Ryder is forced to make and the general lack of conflict in the game, but I don't see Keema and Reyes as happy friends like a lot of people do. What I can see happening is Keema predictably moving against Reyes ("take Kadara back from humans" sentiment, perhaps), possibly related to Ryder somehow because she's in the know about them... and Reyes being prepared, because of course he would be. Ah, the DLCs that could be. Also thread is calm and chill. :smiles: That makes is cool.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 21, 2017 19:59:06 GMT
Made tons of progress tonight... Might I add a post about how much I fucking LOVE Keema? They better not turn her into an Udina... I love her dynamic with Reyes so much and I hope she develops as a character... Unfortunately I see that as a possibility. Not only is she shown to be ambitious and willing to betray to get ahead, but if they ever do a Kadara story the threat has to be something both Sloane and Reyes share. If the threat is foreign then it can be anything, but if the threat is domestic Keema is one of the only possibilities.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jun 21, 2017 20:25:13 GMT
Made tons of progress tonight... Might I add a post about how much I fucking LOVE Keema? They better not turn her into an Udina... I love her dynamic with Reyes so much and I hope she develops as a character... Unfortunately I see that as a possibility. Not only is she shown to be ambitious and willing to betray to get ahead, but if they ever do a Kadara story the threat has to be something both Sloane and Reyes share. If the threat is foreign then it can be anything, but if the threat is domestic Keema is one of the only possibilities. It should be noted that "betraying" one's oppressor is a very different thing from betraying one's benefactor or employer. If someone on a slave ship led a mutiny against the captain, it wouldn't necessarily be fair to assume that they would also lead a mutiny on a normal cargo freighter.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jun 21, 2017 20:46:53 GMT
Unfortunately I see that as a possibility. Not only is she shown to be ambitious and willing to betray to get ahead, but if they ever do a Kadara story the threat has to be something both Sloane and Reyes share. If the threat is foreign then it can be anything, but if the threat is domestic Keema is one of the only possibilities. It should be noted that "betraying" one's oppressor is a very different thing from betraying one's benefactor or employer. If someone on a slave ship led a mutiny against the captain, it would necessarily be fair to assume that they would also lead a mutiny on a normal cargo freighter. Definitely. But once at power, Keema doesn't exactly strike me as the type to let the slaves go on their merry ways, though. Something about her feels off. She may be helping her people in the process, but I wouldn't completely rule out loads of personal ambition. She wants that throne, no matter how, and who the hell knows what exactly she's going to do when she has it. Just a gut feeling, but still. She is the final reason why I flinch from letting Kelly die.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 21, 2017 21:15:21 GMT
Unfortunately I see that as a possibility. Not only is she shown to be ambitious and willing to betray to get ahead, but if they ever do a Kadara story the threat has to be something both Sloane and Reyes share. If the threat is foreign then it can be anything, but if the threat is domestic Keema is one of the only possibilities. It should be noted that "betraying" one's oppressor is a very different thing from betraying one's benefactor or employer. If someone on a slave ship led a mutiny against the captain, it wouldn't necessarily be fair to assume that they would also lead a mutiny on a normal cargo freighter. Keema was not being oppressed under Sloane. She plays both sides because in either case she still gets ahead.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jun 21, 2017 21:22:47 GMT
It should be noted that "betraying" one's oppressor is a very different thing from betraying one's benefactor or employer. If someone on a slave ship led a mutiny against the captain, it wouldn't necessarily be fair to assume that they would also lead a mutiny on a normal cargo freighter. Keema was not being oppressed under Sloane. She plays both sides because in either case she still gets ahead. Her people were. Being an average Angaran in Kadara port meant enduring subjugation at the hands of an invading force. Under Keema's ostensible leadership, Kadara starts to experience almost the opposite problem. It's true that she might be ambitious enough to want even more, but it wouldn't be even close to the same thing as the previous rebellion.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 21, 2017 21:26:59 GMT
Keema was not being oppressed under Sloane. She plays both sides because in either case she still gets ahead. Her people were. Being an average Angaran in Kadara port meant enduring subjugation at the hands of an invading force. Under Keema's ostensible leadership, Kadara starts to experience almost the opposite problem. It's true that she might be ambitious enough to want even more, but it wouldn't be even close to the same thing as the previous rebellion. And? Just because a person's race is oppressed(or "oppressed" in Kadara's case) doesn't mean an individual is. History is full of people who throw their own under the bus to get an edge, and Keema is one of those people.
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