Reyes Vidal - No longer A Mystery (Official Thread)

Okay, had a little chat with all of them. Again, as it turned out, I just forgot because it wasn't much. Raeka says she worked a lot since her rescue and Vederia mentions the whole Initiative seems quieter now. Not very informative.



Confusing indeed. Hot, funny and violent.

Aye, I look forward to it.

No problem, happy to help.

Whoa... anybody ordered more Reyes moral relativism? The only part that is missing on Kadara is the personal presence, but the Charlatan wasn't exactly about being seen. In the place of personal presence, you just have it known. The same damn thing image-wise, just not tied to a single individual but the Collective as a whole. They are the comparatively better guys, look, a soup kitchen. Look, some heroic image right there. Look, supporters. Look, less people bitching when the Collective takes over. The strategy is flawless. I guess there goes all that "he's actually a good guy because he starts soup kitchens". Seriously, there it goes Nope, he's just an extremely clever guy that starts soup kitchens. Really makes me wonder whether it's an intentional reference (or just somebody having done their historical homework).

Edit: you know what this reminds me of? The dialogue with the commonly recognized "bad guy" Sloane Kelly. Roughly citing:
Ryder: "Nice of you to throw a party for the locals"
Sloane: "We both know I'm not doing this to be nice"
Ryder: "Smart then"

Yep, the two parties are soooo different. You can see it miles away. Huh.

Huh, looks like a source of inspiration.


The soup kitchen in the game is in the slums. The part not belonging to the actual city and Sloane doesn't care about those living there. The free food and drinks provided by her are only for the people in the Port. It's not like everybody thought it's only done for the well-being of the downtrodden. The guy who gives the food even says the people should remember who fed them. It's just like Ryota's clinic he donates to. (Edit: Although, the clinic donation is actually only said to be known by the doc and the Outcasts, the asari drug "doctor" mentions it, the public at large is not talking about it). It helps the people, it makes the Collective look good and Sloane bad. It's part of his plan and at the same time good for the community.

It's not exactly a secret to the people what the Collective is. The recruiter is not shy about it.


Both groups do what they do to stay in power respectively gain power. They are different though in how they run the city.

Well, they also all think Keema is in charge. BloodOfShiagur what do they say about Sloane staying in power?

Oh, man. There's a lot of Reyes in the new gamerpoop vid by manslayer...

Yes, they would be suspicious about that. And who wouldn't be in this environment. Ryota is fine but he is a doctor and expected to help.


I know, quid pro quo. Good PR but also, he wants to take over the city, make it a better place (views on this may vary) it makes sense to lay the ground work to improve the situation.


It's not black and white for me, no group is fully good or bad. It's more a choice of which shade of grey and business practices one prefers and is willing to deal with.


Haha, I loaded an old save, helped Sloane and got that reaction from him. And here's a video. I'm a bit confused. First, Evfra talks about contacts and then later it's only one. And couldn't the others take a look, if he has more or is Reyes the only one? His lack of information implies that. If he doesn't want them to know each other to be spies, he could make something up about needing something smuggled? Anyway, what he really should do is tune in to Nexus News, really everyone on every planet should. They have all the juicy details. I set up those antennas. Okay, not on Aya but it's also on the extranet.

There's another video with pretty much all reactions on Kadara on who takes over. Found a couple I had not heard before.



Hm maybe, although it worked out well enough in the past.



Ha, the way Reyes said that, I found it sarcastic. She's not universally liked and likes to recruit people known to her for higher positions but as cannon fodder she'll take anyone, sure.


Yes, I'm sure she would not hesitate to demand them. I can just hear her say " Or our agreement is over."


Oh yes, Evfra sounds not amused when she stays in charge. This might need some diplomacy by Ryder. Maybe he'll come around a bit since she helped out at Meridian.



Lol wtf, Angaran pork. And Lexi, I'm afraid now.

The multiple quote thing is just too tedious, so:

starlord : Well thought out but I guess that would be too much of a length to go, especially if the shit goes down in a DLC. It would generally amount to two possibly far reaching alternatives of a single thing. _{Also, on a selfish, headcanonical note, I want both factions in the game. As in both. Some Kadara-related consequences of the choice in the future are great, so is keeping everyone around if you happen to choose so. As far as DLC is concerned, I'd go for some independent storyline.}

Zitrus : now that you've done my research for me, I'll just report that besides the Evfra hilarity I found nothing, just Moshae whining about Vehn Terav. Twice. Hell, she really wants to let Ryder have it, doesn't she? Too bad, Ryder doesn't care. Frontier justice FTW. And yeah, I agree, the angara would benefit from some news service since they are shamefully lagging behind on the latest galactic discoveries. Though when I was thinking about it writing my last post, it occurred to me that Evfra may simply not be able to link one of his contacts, Reyes and the Charlatan, unless someone from Kadara sends a specific word. No one says how the resistance side contacts are organized.
Everyone benefits from things going right, except for those nonsensical villains who are all about destroying the world so they could enjoy their floating around in the vacuum undisturbed. Shades of grey, yes. But to me they are so subtle they are almost indiscernible. And Reyes has yet to try that business model on the scum in Kadara port in full. I wouldn't be surprised if he had to actually start watching what his people do a how is it they do it so that the "comparatively better" face of his Shady Bunch could even be kept intact. Or if he eventually had to take up some harder measures. In some ways, being the opposition is easy.

haolyn I'm actually pretty convinced Sloane wouldn't betray unless some overly dramatic plot twist demanded it. She seems like someone who would consider backing out on a deal somewhat... beneath her. She's a hardhead, holds grudges and allows much questionable shit on her watch, but it doesn't imply she is dishonorable to boot. Anything coming from her would be seen coming for miles and would involve loads of yelling and shooting, but certainly no backstabbing.
The storyline is pure gold, imo. A definite highlight of MEA.

except she already betrayed the initiative once by neglecting to do her job as head of security (disclaimer: i haven't read the book). she didn't strike me as someone honourable at all to be honest. she seems just as self-serving as everyone else.

Well, Reyes hides it from everyone and only let's few people know it. As far as we know nobody has been able to figure it out, yet. And since Evfra didn't trust Reyes in the beginning, and with how the angara are, he probably did not hide that fact, it's perfectly understandable he kept it to himself.
Which brings me to another thing. The Nexus know The Collective is actually running Kadara Port (the codex is pretty clear on that). However, the angaran leaders on Aya only talk about Keema being in charge, at least they never mention otherwise. Even when you tell them "it's complicated *hint hint*" they are like oh, at least Sloane is away.

Whenever I see people on Reddit hashing out the Sloane vs. Reyes decision, most of them seem to side with Sloane because "better the devil you know rather than the devil you don't" and "at least she's honorable." Am I the only one who thinks those arguments are pretty weak? Like, yeah, I know Sloane-- she threatened to raze any outpost I set up and allows people to be beat to death on the streets (how honorable).

To be honest, I saw the whole thing as "cute guy my Ryder really likes who is hella interesting" vs. "Sloane who was cool, but did some not cool things to the people of Kadara" I didn't really like her initially, and went back and forth with my feelings on her, but ultimately knew that I was going to choose Reyes.

Honestly, looking back on it: I kinda wish that the Collective did more spy shit. I hope they explore that aspect in the future. If the Outcasts rise up in power again to retake Kadara Port: I could see a Cullen vs Lelianna type of thing. Brute force vs. sneaky assassins that attempt to destroy their enemy through stealing supplies and high octane murders.

Oh yes, read this many times. And always the duel. It was a setup, he never intended to actually duel with her and knew she would likely fall for it. Underhanded but smart.

Yeah, spy stuff. I could see them sending spies to the outposts and on the Nexus to keep tabs on everything.

He says they do what the clients require, Ryder mentions even killing and stealing, and he answers survival is a dirty business but that they are not driven by hatred, contrary to the Outcasts.