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Post by Zitrus on Jul 11, 2017 11:45:40 GMT
Reyes is Kian's best customer too. Or maybe that's just because he rents that huge room. Perhaps it's both? The room and lots of drinks? It's still kind of funny to hear him say that when the first thing Reyes does meeting Ryder it letting them pay for his drink (or two). Talk about cheap bastards. (That said, I think he does it far more for show than because he's a cheap bastard but there are always multiple interpretations ) I think it's the room and the drinks. He's always tipping generously. Hmm, leaving Ryder with the tab gives him time to get away without them knowing where exactly he went. And he never pays Umi, it's in the codex and she complains about that if Sloane wins, but if you side with him there's a shipping manifest at the docks for her bar from the Nexus. So maybe he's giving her things indirectly through the Collective and considers this payment enough from his side. The “thank you for accepting me” is great also because Ryder too is sitting on a motherlode of secrets at the end of the game, and I’m not sure they are rushing to tell about the Benefactor and the murder to Reyes. Goes both ways. Now when you put it like that, I don't see the turnoff at all. Complete honesty is fine but hardly attainable. Taking the other for what they are is just as good. Yes, and he looks so happy to have finally found someone who accepts him as he is. While the "consider me hacked line" is funny this one is more meaningful.
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Post by orchid on Jul 11, 2017 16:59:40 GMT
I don't drink at all, even had Ryder refuse the first one. Guess both of them have training in drinking. Does that mean you also missed on Ryder getting megasoused at Sloane’s party? I love Reyes' introduction, since I see it as Ryder just obliviously waiting for some Angara, and taking the chance to pass the time by sharing drinks with this hot guy. And then he turns up to be more and more significant. Talk about cheap bastards. (That said, I think he does it far more for show than because he's a cheap bastard but there are always multiple interpretations ) Both for real and for show, simultaneously. It’s probably not healthy to go showing off your wealth in Kadara. Even if he didn’t end up mugged, people would start asking questions if he advertised his Collective monies in plain sight. Same why he doesn’t wear any proper armor to even the Roekaar mission where he knows he has to fight, and only carries a shitty, non-upgraded avenger. Well okay, everybody knowing he gets the best jobs may speak against that theory, but even so, it's part of his imago. (Also no Mass Effect gun would fit into that tiny holster he has. What he keeps in there?) But mostly he's just cheap and selfish, that's it IMO. Hm, I got the impression Jaal doesn't like Reyes at all. Maybe better that way, since one of the many things I like about Reyes is him not being too involved with the crew and all that.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jul 11, 2017 18:42:10 GMT
I think it's the room and the drinks. He's always tipping generously. Hmm, leaving Ryder with the tab gives him time to get away without them knowing where exactly he went. And he never pays Umi, it's in the codex and she complains about that if Sloane wins, but if you side with him there's a shipping manifest at the docks for her bar from the Nexus. So maybe he's giving her things indirectly through the Collective and considers this payment enough from his side. Or perhaps he's just decided not to give Umi any money... ever Personally, I think she doesn't deserve such treatment, being the single coolest minor NPC in Andromeda, but he must have some good reasons... Does that mean you also missed on Ryder getting megasoused at Sloane’s party? Officially I miss that one too. It seems too much like a joke. Unless Reyes was going through the storage for several hours, the further scenes would probably have to play all different... as in: - Ryder stumbles through the door, struggles to find their balance, knocks off a crate. "Heeere you aaaare" * Ryders shouts and falls" "Stealing Sloane's stuff! I had to *hic* start all without youuu" *stands up, only to topple several more crates, killing all the subtlety in the room - Ryder stumbles through the door, looks at startled Reyes, they share a bit of eye contact and then they go "and whooo might you be?" - Ryder wakes up next to two completely unknown angara (or Kaetus), unable to figure out what the fuck happened since they had that experimental drink Both for real and for show, simultaneously. It’s probably not healthy to go showing off your wealth in Kadara. Even if he didn’t end up mugged, people would start asking questions if he advertised his Collective monies in plain sight. Same why he doesn’t wear any proper armor to even the Roekaar mission where he knows he has to fight, and only carries a shitty, non-upgraded avenger. Well okay, everybody knowing he gets the best jobs may speak against that theory, but even so, it's part of his imago. I'd say it's also part of his image to run away leaving others with his tab (and paying for two drinks would hardly pass for a show of being well-off), hence showing off before being cheap. Otherwise no argument on cheap and selfish. I love Reyes' introduction, since I see it as Ryder just obliviously waiting for some Angara, and taking the chance to pass the time by sharing drinks with this hot guy. And then he turns up to be more and more significant. Lol, this is great. My Ryder is waiting around for some angara (angara, more angara, angara again, angara everywhere, why can't she deal with turians for a change??), scanning her environment and listening to the interesting conversation at the bar when some random smug bastard who thinks himself sooo irresistible starts to show off trying to catch her attention... I just imagine her giving him an annoyed look, raising her face to him in a way that puts its scarred part in plain view and quipping with a grin "sure as hell I'm waiting for you, idiot". Variety, right? Hm, I got the impression Jaal doesn't like Reyes at all. Maybe better that way, since one of the many things I like about Reyes is him not being too involved with the crew and all that. Yeah, that little point happened to elude me I got too carried away with the narcissism level spikes.
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 11, 2017 18:48:21 GMT
Does that mean you also missed on Ryder getting megasoused at Sloane’s party? In my first playthrough, yes. I read about it later and tried it. But initially, I did talk to Umi and I had one question wrong (lol why they're easy but well, first game), so Ryder had one drink there. And when she asked about being her guinea pig I declined because I thought this can only go wrong. You'd think Evfra could have mentioned it wouldn't be an angara, but no lol. I had their first meeting proceed pretty business like, no drink, diplomatic answers, no leaning in. They managed to indulge in some flirting and had funnier banter later on. I'd really like to take look in it. A hipflask? A flashdrive full of secret data?
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Post by orchid on Jul 11, 2017 19:27:45 GMT
I love Reyes' introduction, since I see it as Ryder just obliviously waiting for some Angara, and taking the chance to pass the time by sharing drinks with this hot guy. And then he turns up to be more and more significant. Lol, this is great. My Ryder is waiting around for some angara (angara, more angara, angara again, angara everywhere, why can't she deal with turians for a change??), scanning her environment and listening to the interesting conversation at the bar when some random smug bastard who thinks himself sooo irresistible starts to show off trying to catch her attention... I just imagine her giving him an annoyed look, raising her face to him in a way that puts its scarred part in plain view and quipping with a grin "sure as hell I'm waiting for you, idiot". Variety, right? I imagine Ryder being almost incredulous at discovering that there might actually be another guy that’s into guys in Andromeda (Gil with his fungal infection looking beard and a weird baby obsession doesn’t count, sorry). And he’s handsome? And clearly coming onto Ryder??? *flirts furiously and cheerfully, at every opportunity, forever* Aaand a purely personal RP thing, but I like to imagine Reyes feeling the same. (Also truth about Turians.) I'd really like to take look in it. A hipflask? A flashdrive full of secret data? Smokes, except he’s never shown to smoke. Rubbers? Also lol at Evfra, maybe he was pissed that so few Angara on Kadara wanted to get involved with the Resistance and that he had to rely on a Milky Way alien, and a seedy one at that.
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 12, 2017 7:59:46 GMT
I'd really like to take look in it. A hipflask? A flashdrive full of secret data? Smokes, except he’s never shown to smoke. Rubbers? Or a knife? There is also no ashtray in his room, right? Probably not a smoker then. Oh, there is a picture of him as a mafia boss, smoking a cigar. SourceI actually dived the camera into his little side pocket yesterday evening and of course it's empty. Evfra is always so grumpy. Well, keeping it a secret worked out for Reyes' entrance at least.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jul 12, 2017 11:18:00 GMT
You'd think Evfra could have mentioned it wouldn't be an angara, but no lol. I had their first meeting proceed pretty business like, no drink, diplomatic answers, no leaning in. They managed to indulge in some flirting and had funnier banter later on. Yep, the right to funny banter has to be earned. No leaning in too early. Or without a brief fight (with some murderous roekaar for one). When the conditions are met, let all the wild stuff commence. (Gil with his fungal infection looking beard and a weird baby obsession doesn’t count, sorry). This is way too great to be small You got Gil figured out right there. And for that picture... well, that's just perfect. I don't usually go all "awww" about fanarts but this is one hell of an exception.
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Post by Psy on Jul 13, 2017 3:48:42 GMT
I need some good Reyes fanfic to read. Doesn't matter if it's Scott or Sara. Just need to get my fix. Gotta go searching AO3 tomorrow - but if anyone has any recommendations please feel free to share some good ones! I like slow burns.
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Post by haolyn on Jul 13, 2017 4:25:48 GMT
I need some good Reyes fanfic to read. Doesn't matter if it's Scott or Sara. Just need to get my fix. Gotta go searching AO3 tomorrow - but if anyone has any recommendations please feel free to share some good ones! I like slow burns. For Sara I highly recommend The Fisher's Lure by Aviena and its sequel Isharay. The sequel is currently still ongoing and she updates fast. Really good writing not just for Sara/Reyes but other characters too, especially SAM. archiveofourown.org/series/755151
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Post by Dr Pepper on Jul 13, 2017 10:16:15 GMT
Thought I'd replay the romance; I feel it's too short
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Post by orchid on Jul 13, 2017 15:11:05 GMT
N I C E.Yeah, and Reyes takes a fee for helping the Resistance. War profiteering? Why not! You'd think Evfra could have mentioned it wouldn't be an angara, but no lol. I had their first meeting proceed pretty business like, no drink, diplomatic answers, no leaning in. They managed to indulge in some flirting and had funnier banter later on. Yep, the right to funny banter has to be earned. No leaning in too early. Or without a brief fight (with some murderous roekaar for one). When the conditions are met, let all the wild stuff commence. All of you that play hard to get are missing out on the “We’re going to be friends, you and I,” and I don’t know how you can live like that. Thought I'd replay the romance; I feel it's too short That's a good Ryder. The romance is too short. I’ve tried stretching it out like somebody else in this thread did, but I just become bored with the non-Reyes content. Maybe it works best as a passionate romance that you blitz through, anyway.
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Post by haolyn on Jul 13, 2017 15:59:56 GMT
Yep, the right to funny banter has to be earned. No leaning in too early. Or without a brief fight (with some murderous roekaar for one). When the conditions are met, let all the wild stuff commence. All of you that play hard to get are missing out on the “We’re going to be friends, you and I,” and I don’t know how you can live like that. I always start off not accepting the drink, I mean my Ryder isn't the type to take a drink from a random guy in a seedy pirate bar in an initiative-unfriendly place, no matter how hot he is. But once we learn he's Evfra's contact it's full on flirt mode
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Post by tehprincessj on Jul 13, 2017 16:43:01 GMT
I kind of love how Reyes will just drink both if you turn him down. It's hilarious and perfectly in line with how I see him reacting to the affront of it. My Ryders never turn him down, however. It's seriously love at first sight.
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Post by Dr Pepper on Jul 13, 2017 16:44:13 GMT
orchid Thank you, I went for a specialised biotic this time. I do however appreciate the subtle references to your relationship throughout the game though. Such as Colt Dalton and Crux (the Charlatan's representative at the Collective's base) who are given strict orders to take care of you. I think there's also a reference on Elaaden with some mercenary.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jul 13, 2017 17:09:50 GMT
All of you that play hard to get are missing out on the “We’re going to be friends, you and I,” and I don’t know how you can live like that. Oh, it's haaard. Serious quality of life drop and all that. But the RP demands it and who am I to go against the protagonist who I've made in a fashion that resulted in her need to see a worthy opponent before she indulges in some proper shameless flirting and witty showing off? His reaction to refusing of the drink is definitely a huge step in the right direction. However he might feel, he reacts without fuss (and generally without batting an eyelid) in a way that makes Ryder's gesture pointless. A point for the smug bastard. And making them pay for it anyway...? Probably another one. Game's almost on. Edit: However I thought I knew that line. Looking through the talktable Zitrus pointed to, the line is a result of "fuck Sloane" attitude and not playing hard to get. I actually think I had Ryder use it, so no hardships for me. Got me all confused Btw: *The pirate leaves. Reyes and Ryder continue to kiss. Eventually, they pull back for air.* - This sounds longer than they kiss now. Why the hell did this get left out?? Disappointing. Every time I go through the scene (and it's been a lot lately since it provides my favorite shots of Ryder and I'm playing around with mods trying to get some more accurate canon appearance for my next PT) I kinda wish it happened I think there's also a reference on Elaaden with some mercenary. Yep, the turian that stands close to the angara water merchant. I never go to Elaaden till late game, so she always greets Ryder with the fact that Collective has some unpleasant things to say about her. You can ask her about Reyes too. In my case she mentions that she had worked with him but lately he's been nowhere to be found. A nice touch.
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 14, 2017 6:04:06 GMT
Yep, the right to funny banter has to be earned. No leaning in too early. Or without a brief fight (with some murderous roekaar for one). When the conditions are met, let all the wild stuff commence. All of you that play hard to get are missing out on the “We’re going to be friends, you and I,” and I don’t know how you can live like that. It just happened lol. I didn't know what Ryder would say the first time around. In my other playthroughs I'm going to vary it. I can live with it fine, haha. Next talk was accompanied by a flirt, no harm done. So, interesting talktable notes. Some things changed, like Umi doesn't have a knife when you pay. The rooftop is different, the dance is different. *The pirate leaves. Reyes and Ryder continue to kiss. Eventually, they pull back for air.* - This sounds longer than they kiss now. Reyes: To new adventures. Ryder: And new friends. *Reyes looks genuinely touched.* - Aww, in a different angle you can see it even better. Alas, I was a bit insensitive, chose the other reply and the moment was kinda lost. *Reyes smiles sadly and his back straightens. His mask is back up.* Sorry mate. They shaked hands in the end though and were friends, it's all good.
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Post by haolyn on Jul 14, 2017 8:34:26 GMT
All of you that play hard to get are missing out on the “We’re going to be friends, you and I,” and I don’t know how you can live like that. It just happened lol. I didn't know what Ryder would say the first time around. In my other playthroughs I'm going to vary it. I can live with it fine, haha. Next talk was accompanied by a flirt, no harm done. So, interesting talktable notes. Some things changed, like Umi doesn't have a knife when you pay. The rooftop is different, the dance is different. *The pirate leaves. Reyes and Ryder continue to kiss. Eventually, they pull back for air.* - This sounds longer than they kiss now. Reyes: To new adventures. Ryder: And new friends. *Reyes looks genuinely touched.* - Aww, in a different angle you can see it even better. Alas, I was a bit insensitive, chose the other reply and the moment was kinda lost. *Reyes smiles sadly and his back straightens. His mask is back up.* Sorry mate. They shaked hands in the end though and were friends, it's all good. What's this talktable thing from?
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 14, 2017 8:50:13 GMT
It's from the editor with which you can look at all the files. There are all the dialogues in there somewhere and sometimes they have notes for how to act or build the scene. I haven't been able to find them though, I think I have the wrong tool or looked in the wrong place.
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Post by normandy on Jul 14, 2017 11:30:13 GMT
Interesting. That kiss after Sloane death different too. Reyes: You have bad taste in men. Ryder steps towards Reyes and kisses him. Reyes smiles. Ryder shakes his head. Ryder: The worst. Reyes kisses Ryder again—more passionately. Ryder: Don’t you have a port to take? Reyes: It can wait. They kiss again and the scene fades to black.
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Post by orchid on Jul 14, 2017 13:45:31 GMT
I’m with tehprincessj here – Ryder’s done for as soon as Reyes makes his first entrance. He can do just about anything, and Ryder’s just going to be all starry eyed like Edit: However I thought I knew that line. Looking through the talktable Zitrus pointed to, the line is a result of "fuck Sloane" attitude and not playing hard to get. I actually think I had Ryder use it, so no hardships for me. Got me all confused Oh that point was directed specifically at the ”no leaning in” part of both of yours probably smart policy of being aloof. The part where Reyes scoots up to Ryder, shoulder to shoulder, right, and then leaning in says that line. And more generally, at my utter inability to not choose the flirt option every time even if it might behoove Ryder to play it cool every once in a while. The “why do I always get the hard jobs?” is an exception, because then Reyes sounds flirty anyway lol. It seems many scenes were shortened. Maybe it was to compensate to what little time the animators ended up getting. Are you going for personal canon appearance, or trying to get something close to the default Sara but with CC? You can torment her with terrible wink-wink-nudge-nudge hint as to just how well you know Reyes, if you've banged him. It's from the editor with which you can look at all the files. There are all the dialogues in there somewhere and sometimes they have notes for how to act or build the scene. I haven't been able to find them though, I think I have the wrong tool or looked in the wrong place. I believe you need the MEA Explorer to get to those files. Interesting. That kiss after Sloane death different too. Reyes: You have bad taste in men. Ryder steps towards Reyes and kisses him. Reyes smiles. Ryder shakes his head. Ryder: The worst. Reyes kisses Ryder again—more passionately. Ryder: Don’t you have a port to take? Reyes: It can wait. They kiss again and the scene fades to black. I think the same tumblr also had the VO for those lines. It was cut for some reason. Reyes is just too business savvy to spend the entire day in that cave, I assume. I forgot to post this from the last patch: there was also the Shady Contact that caused confusion in the thread: “Vetra's contact on Kadara port. He maintains connections with the underworld, which allows Vetra access to things difficult to get through legit means. Their relationship seems to be strictly business. A lot of "don't ask, don't tell." Neither can be held responsible for things they don't know, after all. Ultimately, however, they are fond of each other, and if Vetra is asked to go out of her way to help her contact, she probably will. That's why he doesn't ask.” Really long description for a one off char, huh? Luckily his age is given as 50, way too old to being Reyes with another secret persona, so we don’t have to start glaring at Vetra jealously.
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