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Post by haolyn on Jul 14, 2017 13:57:48 GMT
Interesting. That kiss after Sloane death different too. Reyes: You have bad taste in men. Ryder steps towards Reyes and kisses him. Reyes smiles. Ryder shakes his head. Ryder: The worst. Reyes kisses Ryder again—more passionately. Ryder: Don’t you have a port to take? Reyes: It can wait. They kiss again and the scene fades to black. I like the extra dialogue but I definitely prefer to have Reyes slam Ryder against a wall
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Post by normandy on Jul 14, 2017 19:59:01 GMT
I really wish they fix Reyes model during vid call, he looks like something from Walking dead
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 14, 2017 23:13:05 GMT
Btw: *The pirate leaves. Reyes and Ryder continue to kiss. Eventually, they pull back for air.* - This sounds longer than they kiss now. Why the hell did this get left out?? Disappointing. Every time I go through the scene (and it's been a lot lately since it provides my favorite shots of Ryder and I'm playing around with mods trying to get some more accurate canon appearance for my next PT) I kinda wish it happened It seems many scenes were shortened. Maybe it was to compensate to what little time the animators ended up getting. Probably, they got rid of planned animations, too. If the kiss is shorter you can also justify it easier that it was totally just a distraction. Hehe, yes. And if you haven't, she tells you that he knows everyone, some a little too well. Oh yes, even have it still installed. Yes, the lines are also on there. Yep, I think he would want to be there when the city is taken over, was his goal after all. Also to coordinate it. Maybe they planned more for him. Is he the contact she and Drack have business with on the first visit to Kadara then? This settles it. Also, if it was supposed to be Reyes, it should have been his actor in other dubs as well, to give a little hint. I don't know which of my saves is before this scene, so I checked on youtube and no, totally different voice, wouldn't get the idea it's him at all. I really wish they fix Reyes model during vid call, he looks like something from Walking dead He looks really strange. Actually everyone kinda does. They should upgrade their tech, or downgrade to voice calls.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jul 15, 2017 12:38:52 GMT
I’m with tehprincessj here – Ryder’s done for as soon as Reyes makes his first entrance. He can do just about anything, and Ryder’s just going to be all starry eyed like Aww, that kitty is too cute for anyone's good. Does some serious justice to that "I liked the way you looked at me" line Are you going for personal canon appearance, or trying to get something close to the default Sara but with CC? Personal, of course. And I'm slowly getting there, the random bouts of "something's damn off" are subsiding with every attempt (it would be helpful if my friend weren't bitching about her looking like Suvi with that messy hairstyle all the time, it's not even true). Since I'm trying it on the "night out test" and discovering the greatness of (constantly crashing) cinematic tools at the same time, I might come back with some screenshots later. Ever wanted to see Kadara market upside down? It seems many scenes were shortened. Maybe it was to compensate to what little time the animators ended up getting. Probably, they got rid of planned animations, too. If the kiss is shorter you can also justify it easier that it was totally just a distraction. But the opportunism of it still suits Reyes just fine. And who takes that interrupt being purely all business, no taking advantage of the situation intended? I forgot to post this from the last patch: there was also the Shady Contact that caused confusion in the thread: “Vetra's contact on Kadara port. He maintains connections with the underworld, which allows Vetra access to things difficult to get through legit means. Their relationship seems to be strictly business. A lot of "don't ask, don't tell." Neither can be held responsible for things they don't know, after all. Ultimately, however, they are fond of each other, and if Vetra is asked to go out of her way to help her contact, she probably will. That's why he doesn't ask.” Maybe they planned more for him. Is he the contact she and Drack have business with on the first visit to Kadara then? This settles it. Also, if it was supposed to be Reyes, it should have been his actor in other dubs as well, to give a little hint. I don't know which of my saves is before this scene, so I checked on youtube and no, totally different voice, wouldn't get the idea it's him at all. So no shady subplot involving the next big revelation of Andromeda: Reyes stole Vetra's lamp? I don't think he's personally involved with the crew activity in any way. His representatives, though, that might be other story. (Btw the VA already did one shady guy, so maybe they thought he could voice another? As in one VA providing lines for various characters of the same faction? It would be a nice entry in the credits: Reyes Vidal, various shady characters )
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Post by orchid on Jul 15, 2017 13:24:00 GMT
Hehe, yes. And if you haven't, she tells you that he knows everyone, some a little too well. Reyes gets around. What do you think, would he have been as flirty with Alec Ryder had he survived as the Pathfinder? Meh, probably not. I’m with tehprincessj here – Ryder’s done for as soon as Reyes makes his first entrance. He can do just about anything, and Ryder’s just going to be all starry eyed like Aww, that kitty is too cute for anyone's good. Does some serious justice to that "I liked the way you looked at me" line Ah, I didn't even think of that line - you're totally right. The facial animations have been pretty good in this regard, since there are scenes where Ryder has really affectionate look on his face when looking at Reyes, and vice versa. Please do! We were posting pics of our Ryders with Reyes earlier in the thread. The Cinematic Tools is amazing, and also a great reason why I haven't actually played the game for ages.
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 15, 2017 16:01:15 GMT
Personal, of course. And I'm slowly getting there, the random bouts of "something's damn off" are subsiding with every attempt (it would be helpful if my friend weren't bitching about her looking like Suvi with that messy hairstyle all the time, it's not even true). Since I'm trying it on the "night out test" and discovering the greatness of (constantly crashing) cinematic tools at the same time, I might come back with some screenshots later. Ever wanted to see Kadara market upside down? Always down for screenshots. The tool doesn't like pausing and unpausing in cutscenes. If you avoid that it should behave. Of course, he wouldn't say no. Maybe a Ryder who uses flirts and everything just as strategy, without feelings (yes, how cold). Or who thinks this is working in the movies, so there we go, just for show. Hehe, yes. And if you haven't, she tells you that he knows everyone, some a little too well. Reyes gets around. What do you think, would he have been as flirty with Alec Ryder had he survived as the Pathfinder? Meh, probably not. Ask him and he'll probably say they're just drinking buddies *cough*. No, I don't think so. Raeka said Alec could be very charming if he wanted to but I think he would have been all business with Reyes and Reyes would have been friendly but nothing more. Sounds familiar.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jul 15, 2017 21:11:54 GMT
Hehe, yes. And if you haven't, she tells you that he knows everyone, some a little too well. Reyes gets around. What do you think, would he have been as flirty with Alec Ryder had he survived as the Pathfinder? Meh, probably not. It's probably not wise to measure the extent to which Reyes get around But as far as Alec is concerned...now that's the question. It's both extremely funny and disturbing at the same time but it would probably all come down to Alec (most likely) not being into men. Which of course doesn't mean Reyes couldn't get flirty with him just to mess up that all serious, no nonsense attitude of his a little. Which kinda leads me to another question- if Alec happened to survive, which Ryder would Reyes be most liable to flirt with? While the twins might seem fun, you know, the useful Pathfinder connection would be missing... that sets certain political plans a bit back, if they indeed exist Of course, he wouldn't say no. Maybe a Ryder who uses flirts and everything just as strategy, without feelings (yes, how cold). Or who thinks this is working in the movies, so there we go, just for show. Haha, imagine that startled Ryder who has just now realized this shit really works Always down for screenshots. The tool doesn't like pausing and unpausing in cutscenes. If you avoid that it should behave. I'll probably get the games started again tomorrow night once I'm reunited with my gaming rig. I'll see if there's anything shareable (of course I might always decide something's still damn off about Ryder), But the no pausing part is.. troubling to say the least. How the hell am I supposed to take the shot when I spend who knows how long fiddling around with angles and rotating the shit out of the scene? (Btw this will probably rank as the dumbest question ever but how does one actually take a screenhot with the tool? I was too lazy and the hour rather late, so I just used my customary screenhot captor to do the hard work.. and then it all crashed on me... several times) Please do! We were posting pics of our Ryders with Reyes earlier in the thread. The Cinematic Tools is amazing, and also a great reason why I haven't actually played the game for ages. Sounds familiar. Heh, familiar doesn't even begin to cover it Just ask my avatar, I start almost any session with her with a little photoshoot (can't help it), not even talking about any single damn sunrise or sunset, and now the obssession is spreading into territories with no console commands. I guess I should have stayed with the conviction that flycam is complicated and dangerous. Aaand.. I can actually hide the ui. So my third PT will be even more sluggish than usual and will probably get stuck obsedantly screenarching Havarl because damn, Havarl. Can't wait.
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 16, 2017 1:18:10 GMT
Reyes gets around. What do you think, would he have been as flirty with Alec Ryder had he survived as the Pathfinder? Meh, probably not. It's probably not wise to measure the extent to which Reyes get around But as far as Alec is concerned...now that's the question. It's both extremely funny and disturbing at the same time but it would probably all come down to Alec (most likely) not being into men. Which of course doesn't mean Reyes couldn't get flirty with him just to mess up that all serious, no nonsense attitude of his a little. Which kinda leads me to another question- if Alec happened to survive, which Ryder would Reyes be most liable to flirt with? While the twins might seem fun, you know, the useful Pathfinder connection would be missing... that sets certain political plans a bit back, if they indeed exist I say he would flirt with the twins, I think they are more his type. And if Ryder doesn't give flirty answers he's also not flirting that much. Most times I don't pause and do the following. Let the scene run and move the camera where you think it will look good. If you have to choose a conversation option before that special moment, all the better, because the game will wait for you. When the camera is set, let it play out, take the screenshots. If what you wanted to capture happened before, disable the camera and it automatically returns to you char, reload save, trigger the scene, enable the camera, it will be where you left it, maybe quickly adjust it a bit and take screenshots or videos. It's not a dumb question. CT cannot take sreenshots, so use your trusted software. You'll get the hang of it after some tries. It's a fun tool.
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Post by orchid on Jul 16, 2017 7:08:05 GMT
Guys am I right in recalling that the Mt Milgrom that Reyes stole from Sloane is the same liquor as in Zaeed’s shopping list with spare parts for Jessie? Btw if there was one OT char I’d like to see Reyes meet/interact with, it would be Zaeed, out of curiosity. Zaeed would probably approve with most of what Reyes does, but then again he was soured on gangs in general after having been cheated out of his own. No, I don't think so. Raeka said Alec could be very charming if he wanted to but I think he would have been all business with Reyes and Reyes would have been friendly but nothing more. Raeka is interesting. When you speak to her at the Pathfinder HQ, it really sounds like she and Alec were in a relationship, and it’s like okay, that makes sense. But then there’s the revelation at the end of the game. Bigger question is if Alec would’ve supported Sloane or Reyes. Personality wise, I think he’d liked Sloane more (idealistic, more of the “dreamer”* type that Alec liked, hardass soldier), but I think her going against the Resistance and the heads-on-spikes would’ve disgusted him immediately. Maybe, who knows. (I think my main Shepard would’ve picked Sloane, he was an asshole that way.) (edit: * Reyes has dreams too of course, but his aspirations are much more grounded and he's willing to bend them with flexibility.) But as far as Alec is concerned...now that's the question. It's both extremely funny and disturbing at the same time but it would probably all come down to Alec (most likely) not being into men. Which of course doesn't mean Reyes couldn't get flirty with him just to mess up that all serious, no nonsense attitude of his a little. Which kinda leads me to another question- if Alec happened to survive, which Ryder would Reyes be most liable to flirt with? While the twins might seem fun, you know, the useful Pathfinder connection would be missing... that sets certain political plans a bit back, if they indeed exist As Keema says, no one meets Reyes except through business. And if Reyes was aiming to win Alec over and/or maintain good relations after a successful coup, he would NOT risk his chances by fooling around with the Pathfinder’s precious kids. Also, Reyes loves power, and I assume he’s attracted to power to a degree (as well as the capability that the Pathfinder has shown that far); mere underling kids who are there purely out of nepotism would not strike him as all that interesting, IMO. On the topic of the Night on the Town party, here are my offerings for the screenshot gods: Also BloodOfShiagur , as a tip, if you find yourself thinking that you could get a charming front-end pic of Reyes and Ryder as they run away hand-in-hand, DON’T.
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 16, 2017 12:08:39 GMT
Guys am I right in recalling that the Mt Milgrom that Reyes stole from Sloane is the same liquor as in Zaeed’s shopping list with spare parts for Jessie? Btw if there was one OT char I’d like to see Reyes meet/interact with, it would be Zaeed, out of curiosity. Zaeed would probably approve with most of what Reyes does, but then again he was soured on gangs in general after having been cheated out of his own. Um, well *looks it up*. Yes! List of recent purchases by Zaeed Massani in ME3-Mount Milgrom triple-distilled 45 year-old scotch whiskey (2 bottles) Is this a different vintage? 2186-45=2141 2819-645=2174 They travelled for 634 years. Unless Reyes is just rounding it to 600, then it's the same if we ignore the months between ME2 and ME3. For me it sounded like she was a close friend with whom he could talk about his innermost thoughts. I got not relationship vibe. That's hard to say. Maybe he knew Sloane from before. Maybe she would have reacted differently to him, not so dismissively. He bended/circumvented rules too with his research. True, they would have to meet and make him interested. Maybe Alec would relegate some of Reyes' task to them and so this could happen. Alec would not approve of Reyes, yes. They will be pleased with these. Hehe, they grin from ear to ear, like he does when you meet at the entrance. You know what I've just discovered now? I've never checked for the difference. Took videos, too. He is only grinning so much if Ryder kissed him and said "maybe another kiss". No kissing or "it was just a distraction", only Ryder grins. In the pure friendship route there is no difference between punching or hiding. A few others. So happy Ryder decided to come. She's with him, Mr guard. After the kiss. While cradling the bottle in his arms.
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Post by haolyn on Jul 16, 2017 18:59:58 GMT
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 16, 2017 22:20:37 GMT
Nice. I think that's custom Ryder Reyes-lookalike and the mod that replaces Cora with default Sara. I saw a little tip for character swapping a few days ago and while I managed it, after many hours because I'm such a noob with this, for two characters, whenever I try to give someone Reyes' head, I get CTD. I haven't tried it with default Scott, yet, but I will.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jul 17, 2017 1:04:08 GMT
Guys am I right in recalling that the Mt Milgrom that Reyes stole from Sloane is the same liquor as in Zaeed’s shopping list with spare parts for Jessie? Btw if there was one OT char I’d like to see Reyes meet/interact with, it would be Zaeed, out of curiosity. Zaeed would probably approve with most of what Reyes does, but then again he was soured on gangs in general after having been cheated out of his own. Whoa, those are some detail spotting skills Now I guess we have to wonder whether it's an intentional hint or someone at Bioware just has a particular brand of whiskey obssession... Don't know about Zaeed though, I think he'd react similarly to Drack, perhaps mentioning a few stories about how he shot several shifty bastards like Reyes in the ass or something.. As Keema says, no one meets Reyes except through business. And if Reyes was aiming to win Alec over and/or maintain good relations after a successful coup, he would NOT risk his chances by fooling around with the Pathfinder’s precious kids. Also, Reyes loves power, and I assume he’s attracted to power to a degree (as well as the capability that the Pathfinder has shown that far); mere underling kids who are there purely out of nepotism would not strike him as all that interesting, IMO. Good point. Heh, but it also means that living dad equals a very Reyes-less life. Life's a bitch, isn't it That's hard to say. Maybe he knew Sloane from before. Maybe she would have reacted differently to him, not so dismissively. He bended/circumvented rules too with his research. Agreed. That might actually be the decisive factor in all that (plus Reyes probably taking whole different attitude). Alec would definitely be harder to be dismissive to and I can actually imagine him finding dealing with Sloane easier than dealing with Reyes, however dismissive she'd choose to be (well, let's not forget he'd still be the Initiative, which Sloane might still find hard to overlook, especially because of his rule bending record). Given she's also not exactly the wildcard there, I think Alec might choose her for the practicality of it if not for anything else. Thank you both for the tips. (But what was the deal with the running orchid ? You got me almost tempted to try that out (Good job on defiying limitations, Zitrus ( ) I've played around with stuff, had loads of fun (plus several trips to the Fade that turned out to be Kadara sky, and some frustration because my damn screenshot tool has suddenly decided to work on alt+prntscr only, probably a curse), got some results. Also came to conclusion nothing about Ryder is off for now. Totally passed the night out test, so unless some hair mods are out, I'm not touching anything with a ten foot pole. Later today I'm also expecting my new t-shirt to arrive, so I will post it somewhere. Several shots of Reyes (he looks sort of cuter than usual with that bottle) Several shoots of Reyes/Ryder (I love the last one especially, since it goes sort of well with the headcanonical answer of Ryder to Reyes' assertion that the kiss was more than just a distraction: *I dare you grin, leaning in* "you're quite clearly delusional")
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Post by orchid on Jul 17, 2017 5:43:31 GMT
Alec would not approve of Reyes, yes. Imagine when Ellen inevitably meets Reyes. Ryder of course won’t tell her who Reyes really is, but you just sort of need to look at him for a minute to know that he’s no golden boy. Thanks! :smiles: As well as for checking the whisky thing. A lot of the scenes with Reyes are very dark, so I'm always happy when I manage a shot where his pretty face is properly visible. Nice pics. I like Reyes' gesturing when he makes his entrance. Ryder doesn't look super impressed tho. oh NO, now I can never not choose anything but the “maybe another kiss” option, knowing that that makes Reyes stupidly happy, even though his actual shit-eating grin isn’t shown in game. Makes me wonder about all the other potential not-shown animations in the game, and what they might reveal. Can’t blame them for not showing these tho. Who smiles by baring both their upper and lower teeth? On the other hand, it’s a cute thought that Reyes has a really ugly smile and that’s why he always smiles softly and subtly, except here he can’t restrain it, because he’s so excited at getting it on with Ryder. ^-^ (Yea I know that Ryder also wears a ghoulish grimace, but eh.) The kiss scenes in the tumblr link are great. Straight up sex scenes in video games still feel silly to me and actually break my immersion in the game, so I don’t mind Reyes not having those. But those proper kiss mechanics would be something! Whoa, those are some detail spotting skills Now I guess we have to wonder whether it's an intentional hint or someone at Bioware just has a particular brand of whiskey obssession... I don’t think it exists IRL, so it’s probably just to keep a theme. The favored drink of renegade badasses with questionable methods and history… Well zitrus ruined it goddammit. Just those faces. I tried it myself, thought that a lovely pic of them frolicking hand in hand would be just precious, and shifted the camera only to see those nightmare grins. It’s really bad up close! Ooh, I like the jacket. That’s a hardass looking Ryder. Looks like she won’t take any shit from Reyes, right?
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jul 17, 2017 10:41:03 GMT
Alec would not approve of Reyes, yes. Imagine when Ellen inevitably meets Reyes. Ryder of course won’t tell her who Reyes really is, but you just sort of need to look at him for a minute to know that he’s no golden boy. I sort of hope that after all that "fall in love" lecturing she’d just shrug if she had issues (And imo, Alec would probably do the same. They didn’t strike me as especially meddly kind of parents) Can’t blame them for not showing these tho. Who smiles by baring both their upper and lower teeth? You mean like this? That’s a time honored tradition, there’s even a smiley for it... quote: I don’t think it exists IRL, so it’s probably just to keep a theme. The favored drink of renegade badasses with questionable methods and history… Lol, that would make for some great advertising. Now it’s totally clear why Reyes has to have one. Well zitrus ruined it goddammit. Just those faces. I tried it myself, thought that a lovely pic of them frolicking hand in hand would be just precious, and shifted the camera only to see those nightmare grins. It’s really bad up close! Well, now we see why some things are better hidden Ooh, I like the jacket. That’s a hardass looking Ryder. Looks like she won’t take any shit from Reyes, right? That’s a recolor of Peebee outfit, with the downside that recolors Peebee too and there’s apparently nothing to do about it right now But whatever, I spend way more time looking at Ryder than looking at Peebee. And I can always headcanon she stole Ryder’s stuff. Hehe, that’s the point, you’re absolutely right. On the other hand, Reyes won’t take any shit from her, which pleases her as so many people do that way too readily. A perfect couple, but no, he has to ruin it by bringing a sniper to a duel Adding one more screen I found while picking over my yesterday’s screenshooting, it amuses me for some reason. Ryder is just about done with my camera rotating shit, while Reyes can’t be bothered And the last thing: Tadaaah, my t-shirt has arrived. The only thing I changed was the Kadara pic instead of anything else, because I realized I don’t like mugs on my clothes and I really want to wear it. Still, I would’ve sworn the letters were supposed to be dark blue in the end, but no harm done
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Post by haolyn on Jul 17, 2017 10:52:18 GMT
The kiss scenes in the tumblr link are great. Straight up sex scenes in video games still feel silly to me and actually break my immersion in the game, so I don’t mind Reyes not having those. But those proper kiss mechanics would be something! Yeah the Cora sex scene in general feels way too forced for me too. But for some reason I find it easier to digest in gif form with Sara and Reyes's faces 😋
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 17, 2017 19:42:50 GMT
Imagine when Ellen inevitably meets Reyes. Ryder of course won’t tell her who Reyes really is, but you just sort of need to look at him for a minute to know that he’s no golden boy. I sort of hope that after all that "fall in love" lecturing she’d just shrug if she had issues (And imo, Alec would probably do the same. They didn’t strike me as especially meddly kind of parents) Oh oh, lying to mum. This is Reyes, he is a purveyor of sought after goods. Hmm, don't know if she would take it so cool. I think she would be concerned. And the sibling, don't know what they know, has probably something to say as well. Nice. He got his prizes. Thanks! :smiles: As well as for checking the whisky thing. A lot of the scenes with Reyes are very dark, so I'm always happy when I manage a shot where his pretty face is properly visible. Nice pics. I like Reyes' gesturing when he makes his entrance. Ryder doesn't look super impressed tho. I had to check this. Barely remembered the list . Oh yes, the darkness. I recently looked at the cave sceen and it was pitch black, had trouble finding my way around. Thx. He and his trademark arm spread. Every time he introduces himself. It's just not Reyes without. Yeah, she likes to look at people like this^^. Lol. At least he's happy. Guess they wanted to show them from the front then at first. Why else change the expression. Whoa, those are some detail spotting skills Now I guess we have to wonder whether it's an intentional hint or someone at Bioware just has a particular brand of whiskey obssession... Yes, it seems to be an ME thing only, not real. Here are all the drinks, except Kian's Kadara Sunrise. Well zitrus ruined it goddammit. Just those faces. I tried it myself, thought that a lovely pic of them frolicking hand in hand would be just precious, and shifted the camera only to see those nightmare grins. It’s really bad up close! Well, now we see why some things are better hidden Lol yes, kinda thwarted your plan, sorry. Yeah. Now I'll never forget this sentence, my first and probably only one which ended up on a shirt.
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Post by orchid on Jul 19, 2017 20:11:24 GMT
Oh oh, lying to mum. This is Reyes, he is a purveyor of sought after goods. Yeah, let her realize that he’s a smuggler or something of that sort, but keep the Charlatan thing under wraps. Ryder can have him stand next to Vetra, who somehow manages to appear respectable (Turian magic?) and introduce them as your associates that specialize in procurement. And who knows, Reyes might win Ellen over with his charm. We know he realizes the value of diplomacy and keeping up appearances. Also I have another question, to those with a playthrough where they didn’t flirt with Reyes even once. Just how flirty does he get, without any prompting from Ryder? I ask because of having seen comments where people want an option to kill him for daring to flirt with Ryder, but I don’t know how much that even happens? I mean earlier I joked about interpreting Reyes as being clearly into Ryder, but does he make any actually unambiguous advances if Ryder is all business? MEA in general is much better with this than the OT, where several NPCs (female, of course) paw Shepard’s face or kiss him/her without permission, not to mention forward suggestions by potential LIs of both genders. Peebee’s introduction where she invades Ryder’s personal space (which I hated) is the only exception to this that I can think of, but even that wasn’t sexed up. So when people say that Reyes is super flirty (and thus deserving of being killed apparently), does that just refer to something as innocuous as him winking and smiling at Ryder and offering to get drinks? I imagine this might be another case where if the player knows that a male NPC can be romanced, just him being a buddy (or even showing being open to potential PC advances, just without taking initiative himself) is interpreted malignantly. Also lol at this search result when searching for Kadara on YouTube: “SYNOPSIS FOR KADARA: When the culture of a kingdom dictates that in finding the most suitable man for the beautiful princess of the kingdom, the man must emerge champion of a collective, non-discriminatory wrestling contest. Kadara is a charming and swooning tale of rivalry between a handsome and endearing farmer and a brutish man of considerable wealth for the hand of the most beautiful princess in the entire Kingdom!” Apparently Kadara means “destiny” in yoruba.
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Post by tehprincessj on Jul 19, 2017 21:39:06 GMT
So when people say that Reyes is super flirty (and thus deserving of being killed apparently), does that just refer to something as innocuous as him winking and smiling at Ryder and offering to get drinks? Apparently, yes. Only flirty thing Reyes does without Ryder's instigation is the wink and an offer of a drink, the latter being something I could see as platonic, but whatever. The truth of the matter is that if people want to hate a character enough to want them dead, they'll FIND a reason. Good thing he's got that fancy plot armor, tho.
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 19, 2017 23:06:23 GMT
So when people say that Reyes is super flirty (and thus deserving of being killed apparently), does that just refer to something as innocuous as him winking and smiling at Ryder and offering to get drinks? Apparently, yes. Only flirty thing Reyes does without Ryder's instigation is the wink and an offer of a drink, the latter being something I could see as platonic, but whatever. The truth of the matter is that if people want to hate a character enough to want them dead, they'll FIND a reason. Good thing he's got that fancy plot armor, tho. Yes, how unashamedly flirty of him lol. I did explore the friendship route without any flirting from Ryder's side a while ago and I find he's being friendly. He is charming and confident most of the time but he's not coming on to Ryder. The banter can lead to flirtation but doesn't have to, it's the player's choice. If Ryder keeps it professional/friendly he will respond in kind. He's not holding hands or kissing Ryder when they never showed this kind of interest in him. Some later lines in dialogue and his emails are changed or not there at all if you've never flirted. Hehe, Reyes the handsome and endearing farmer wrestling the brutish Sloane.
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Post by orchid on Jul 20, 2017 4:23:29 GMT
As I guessed, then. Thanks for the confirmation, both of you. :smiles: I've seen several people being angry at Reyes, so I wondered if something did happen. But unsurprisingly, nah. Good thing he's got that fancy plot armor, tho. I actually do like when every character is killable, and think that MEA didn't always give a good enough excuse for not being able to kill someone (not that that kind of gameplay would even fit ME). For example my attempt to see if I could just shoot Sloane in that cave during the Kett killing mission for Kaetus - you can fire the gun sure enough, but the game doesn't acknowledge anything. Kadara Port having the excuse of weapons not being allowed is significantly better mechanic around this. But anyway, I have to admit that I like that for once the plot armor is being worn by a character that I personally like a lot. It really makes me curious about what kind of ideas the writer had for Reyes' future content... There’s one resource saving thing they could do w/r/t Reyes/Sloane branching, in case of a hypothetical continuation. Let’s imagine situation where Ryder needs discreet info about, say, the Benefactor. If you chose Reyes, he could do that. But if you chose Sloane, that role would be relegated to Vetra. Her VA would already be present anyhow, and increasing her role would please many people (and even though there are people who find her meh, I don’t think anyone hates her). She also has a role relevant reason to be capable of obtaining such information, which something she ought to have done more in MEA already. Her contacts are presented as a big selling point in her introduction, but I don’t remember her doing anything with those except have Sid exploit them. Hehe, Reyes the handsome and endearing farmer wrestling the brutish Sloane. Now I'm imagining Reyes challenging Sloane to a wrestling match and a pissed off Sloane just shooting him outright lol. Trying to find vids where people didn't flirt with Reyes was surprisingly hard btw (why I gave up and just asked here). He's hard to resists, looks like. But I finally saw some dubs for him in other languages though. French VA didn't sound as charming, but was passable I guess as a harder kind of man. The German one was a total miscast, not even remotely similar in style or tone. No attempt at an accent that I could notice in either one.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jul 20, 2017 10:18:17 GMT
Oh oh, lying to mum. This is Reyes, he is a purveyor of sought after goods. Yeah, let her realize that he’s a smuggler or something of that sort, but keep the Charlatan thing under wraps. Ryder can have him stand next to Vetra, who somehow manages to appear respectable (Turian magic?) and introduce them as your associates that specialize in procurement. And who knows, Reyes might win Ellen over with his charm. We know he realizes the value of diplomacy and keeping up appearances. "Reyes, this is Vetra. Stand right next to her, don’t talk unless asked and look innocuous for fuck’s sake, mum just got out of cryo and she doesn’t need to be shocked and scandalized" That’s sure to work MEA in general is much better with this than the OT, where several NPCs (female, of course) paw Shepard’s face or kiss him/her without permission, not to mention forward suggestions by potential LIs of both genders. Peebee’s introduction where she invades Ryder’s personal space (which I hated) is the only exception to this that I can think of, but even that wasn’t sexed up. Imagine the horror if they were males... But in Peebee’s case I don’t mind. It just fits the character. I can live with a little breach of personal space when there’s a purpose for it. And some people just go around like that, you can’t stop them no matter how much you dislike what they do, it would be weird not to include them just because it’s annoying af. You can also throw her away and that’s hilarious Hehe, Reyes the handsome and endearing farmer wrestling the brutish Sloane. Now I'm imagining Reyes challenging Sloane to a wrestling match and a pissed off Sloane just shooting him outright lol. And that was the end of Reyes, the dashing farmer who stood up to the tyranny of the cruel Outcast queen. But seriously, getting him shot over a wrestling match? Imagine how she would react to the daring farmer-boy poking her with a pitchfork.. or challenging her to a riddle contest for the hold over the land. (he could always just swat her with a sheep as soon as she came into the cave but that depends on what kind of hero we are talking about) Yeah. Now I'll never forget this sentence, my first and probably only one which ended up on a shirt. Well, it's a quality sentence. Looking real swell on that shirt too.
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Post by orchid on Jul 21, 2017 20:58:56 GMT
Poor Reyes looks so heartbroken at the Draullir cave that I’m sure that he’s absolutely convinced that Ryder will dump him. Also I’m pretty sure that Reyes’ line about there not being large enough population to survive a war is literally the only time in the game that it’s acknowledged how devastating it is to have Milky Way species fight among themselves from a pure species’ survival point of view. Not many characters in the game that really look at the big picture. What else? I was wrong earlier. Reyes’ little powder blue pistol could fit into his holster, theoretically. I imagine the animators trying to fit the gun so that it would look like it’s in the holster, then giving up. An angle from where it looks like Reyes has Sloane buried alive in dirt or something. Actually sort of disturbing. "Reyes, this is Vetra. Stand right next to her, don’t talk unless asked and look innocuous for fuck’s sake, mum just got out of cryo and she doesn’t need to be shocked and scandalized" That’s sure to work Well, when it really happens, Ryder will just simply introduce them and smile stupidly at Reyes’ sweet face while he does his arm spread greeting, and mom will probably mentally despair at it while being polite. Then Sara can later tell Ellen that everything will be okay and that Scott has actually survived quite well all things considered. Huh, of course you can. I don’t allow strangers to tackle and then straddle me. More pix, since after months I’ve finally gotten this far in my aeon long 2nd playthrough: Reyes has Ryder all weak in the knees here: Cutest expression on Reyes yet:
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 22, 2017 2:04:24 GMT
Imagine the horror if they were males... But in Peebee’s case I don’t mind. It just fits the character. I can live with a little breach of personal space when there’s a purpose for it. And some people just go around like that, you can’t stop them no matter how much you dislike what they do, it would be weird not to include them just because it’s annoying af. You can also throw her away and that’s hilarious Peebee just doesn't care. My Ryder shoved her off. And never flirted with her, which she even acknowledged, but she still suggested fooling around. She finally got the hint though. It really makes me curious about what kind of ideas the writer had for Reyes' future content... There’s one resource saving thing they could do w/r/t Reyes/Sloane branching, in case of a hypothetical continuation. Let’s imagine situation where Ryder needs discreet info about, say, the Benefactor. If you chose Reyes, he could do that. But if you chose Sloane, that role would be relegated to Vetra. Her VA would already be present anyhow, and increasing her role would please many people (and even though there are people who find her meh, I don’t think anyone hates her). She also has a role relevant reason to be capable of obtaining such information, which something she ought to have done more in MEA already. Her contacts are presented as a big selling point in her introduction, but I don’t remember her doing anything with those except have Sid exploit them. I like this idea. What she is doing is so much in the background. She has this one conversation on Kadara where she mentions it's better Ryder doesn't know she's trading with her contacts there but it benefits everyone. Some people in the outposts know her and tell how she can get everything but you never see that. Aww, he definitely knows this can happen. But then it doesn't and he's all the happier as seen in the last picture. He also looks like in pic 2 if not romanced, when Ryder asks if Reyes is his real name. I cut the weapon out in paint (lol) and the holster would have to stay open, it's too large to close it. They could get matching pistols, it's a sidewinder. Mine spits sticky grenades. Looks like she's sinking in quicksand.
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Post by orchid on Jul 22, 2017 10:13:48 GMT
Peebee just doesn't care. My Ryder shoved her off. And never flirted with her, which she even acknowledged, but she still suggested fooling around. She finally got the hint though. Oh yeah I forgot the zero G flirt. I never got that since I had already sealed the deal with Reyes at that point. Pity that they tied that scene to Peebee. A non-gravity scene would have been good, cool and suitable for any of the LIs, this being a sci-fi game. I think there could be optional romance scenes tied to Ryder that could trigger with any LI. If it was tied to Ryder’s personality, and the other regular LI specific scenes remained, the copy-paste issue wouldn’t even arise. Cost-efficient also, and would help make all romances equal. The camera moves away too fast, which is a pity since that’s the only time we see Reyes make a ^-^ face, and it’s too adorable for words. Lol that would be too cutesy for my Ryder. Besides, the only game where pistols are king is ME 1. Forgot to include this in the previous post, I like how it captured all three characters' moods. An over-confident Sloane calls Ryder a dog and pretty much seals her own fate at this moment, and Kaetus knows it's an ill-thought move: Bonus Reyes looking almost tear eyed (or having had his allergies triggered): I’m probably posting too many screenshots, but this thread is so silent lately that I don’t feel shamed into lurking by better contributions. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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