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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jul 27, 2017 23:02:32 GMT
I thought it was confirmed it was this moment that he starts considering it: I assume Reyes checked all info available on the Pathfinder before heading into the meeting, so it might be he saw a photo and thought damn that’s hot. Lol rabbits would fuck Kadara up, Australia style. It’s bad enough that Ryder released the hamster as an invasive species to wreak havoc on an unsuspecting ecosystem. By the way, isn’t it unfair that Ryder doesn’t say that ‘cutest thing apart from [insert LI]’ thing about Reyes? I waited on caging the hamster until High Noon, and Ryder said nothing. Kaetus fic? I’m slightly intrigued. He’s an interesting character. Pity I’m gonna advise Reyes to waste him in my current playthrough. EDIT: People! I got that thing where after you leave the Reyes' room after you've danced, Ryder keeps on smiling blissfully, even after I've boarded the Tempest. I remember somebody reporting it on Tumblr. Does that happen to you all too? I think that's a new thing, after the latest patch. It's the most perfect thing. :hearteyes: Yep, there's that, of course. Actually, he could well be going "shit, they're just as cool as the picture" in the gif I've been considering whether he could've known Ryder beforehand too, but given that Kadara doesn't exactly have any kind of connection to the Nexus I don't know how any footage might reach him. Not suggesting he knew nothing about Ryder before the meeting, words and rumors travel way more easily..... Short and sweet, raising the level of Reyes' assholeness even higher archiveofourown.org/works/10535343Rofl, that comic. And Ryder lived happily ever after. (or at least till the next patch) What a shame you missed the wink, they even only showed him in that scene ^^. Well, he doesn't say yes, I'm a smuggler in that moment, but everybody knows he is one (among other secret things) anyway and "providing information among other things" is a paraphrase for it, imo. And he takes Ryder on the Zia mission which is about his smuggling business. He also makes this face which you could read as confirmation or just as let's talk over there. My ability to ignore stuff is boundless. "Providing information among other things" is a paraphrase for more than that one thing, secretly ruling the Collective one of them... (doesn't the Collective recruiter describe them somewhat similar?)
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 28, 2017 0:21:43 GMT
Gatito, eh? I’m a cat person, too, but I guess a big guard dog might go better with crime boss appearances, or as extra protection for just another small time smuggler. Either way, I guess both dogs and kitties are still on ice in MEA (or did they just bring genetic material, don’t remember), so it’s all theoretical anyway. As long as he's a friend to animals, all's well. Is it the official cat lover thread now? I'm in the cat camp too, totally biased because of my own little tiger. I like dogs too, though. And it sure is nice he likes animals, that's always good. Maybe they brought just the genes with them. I guess they could just clone some. One of Suvi's emails: So someone told me they're already looking at the jumpstart process for various companion animals. They think it might restore some feeling of normality and improve morale. Meaning dogs and cats! (Except Vetra apparently requested cats be jumpstarted some time back, and no one's sure why.) Because I'm on the science team, I got to put my name on the list of potential adopter families for one of the puppies. Actually, our names—I hope that's not too forward of me, signing you up like this. It might be a lot of work. Our puppy will have to be a progenitor, to help build a stable population here. My family always had dogs. It feels odd not to have one around. They make great warm footrests. Anyway, start thinking of names! I always wanted a dog called "Rabbit." It would confuse so many people.
A dog called Rabbit. Wanna call Reyes' rabbit Dog then?^^ Just lol . I imagine SAM playing "Love is in the air" in his head on loop. Yeah, probably a bug. A funny one though. There's that word again lol. Wouldn't work in the game though, sniper tells Kaetus he killed her. Also, would Reyes be so obviously running around showing he's in love? Don't think so. And Kaetus being so trusting all of a sudden, breaking so quickly while before he wouldn't say a word, wouldn't eat? Nah. At least not in the game. In fanfic stories everything's possible though. It's a gift and a curse . Yes, recruiter says they do what the clients want, gathering info, assassination... What I meant though, the resistance pays him to supply information, among other things. Meaning, he also supplies them with weapons and what have you. Ergo, smuggling stuff for them and others obviously. That's Ryder's thought process I guess. And it's not wrong, just incomplete because secretly he's also got other things going.
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Post by tehprincessj on Jul 28, 2017 1:34:07 GMT
This post is my new favorite thing, ever. Also. Somebody made something wonderful for me. Don't click on the fic linked in that post unless you're into pointless smut.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 28, 2017 7:27:52 GMT
This post is my new favorite thing, ever. Also. Somebody made something wonderful for me. Don't click on the fic linked in that post unless you're into pointless smut. Wait, people aren't into pointless smut?
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jul 28, 2017 8:25:05 GMT
Is it the official cat lover thread now? I'm in the cat camp too, totally biased because of my own little tiger. I like dogs too, though. And it sure is nice he likes animals, that's always good. Huh, where is this odd sudden feeling of me invariably ruining the party in this thread coming from? ( ) There's that word again lol. Wouldn't work in the game though, sniper tells Kaetus he killed her. Also, would Reyes be so obviously running around showing he's in love? Don't think so. And Kaetus being so trusting all of a sudden, breaking so quickly while before he wouldn't say a word, wouldn't eat? Nah. At least not in the game. In fanfic stories everything's possible though. That was entirely on purpose Someone should really make a scientific enquiry into assholeness levels, the lives of many people would be so certain and well defined we would be approaching the application of qun. Yep, true on that, it would need much more time to play out the way it did, but seems this is just a short piece. Otherwise getting people talking about what they care about, especially if you can show you sympathize is a pretty clever strategy... and what does revealing your cards to someone matter when that someone is certain to be dead soon? It's a gift and a curse . Yes, recruiter says they do what the clients want, gathering info, assassination... What I meant though, the resistance pays him to supply information, among other things. Meaning, he also supplies them with weapons and what have you. Ergo, smuggling stuff for them and others obviously. That's Ryder's thought process I guess. And it's not wrong, just incomplete because secretly he's also got other things going. So he lets you go through this process and when you happen to realize you were not seeing the whole truth, hey, it was your inference... Neat.
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Post by tehprincessj on Jul 28, 2017 12:26:18 GMT
This post is my new favorite thing, ever. Also. Somebody made something wonderful for me. Don't click on the fic linked in that post unless you're into pointless smut. Wait, people aren't into pointless smut? Well, I definitely am. And sometimes, if I can't find it, I have to write it. More screenies! (Sad to be getting here during what is most likely going to be my final playthrough for a while.) And as much as I used to like the other line better, I've grown into the "me neither" line over time.
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 28, 2017 18:12:40 GMT
Huh, where is this odd sudden feeling of me invariably ruining the party in this thread coming from? ( ) Cats and dogs can like each other, no problem. The strategy is good. It doesn't matter to reveal it but it wasn't what I was referring to. I meant earlier, when it was said he strolled around obviously in love and so on. In my mind he wouldn't do that. Oh btw, it was already heavily implied in the game that Sloane and Kaetus were together for a while. I started reading Nexus Uprising and there it is mentioned she was very close to him back in the Milky Way and there were rumours he followed her to Andromeda out of love. Well, how would Ryder know about it, when he's keeping it hidden. I had him high up on the Charlatan suspect list but Ryder didn't ask for my opinion, her loss.
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Post by orchid on Jul 28, 2017 19:48:26 GMT
I've been considering whether he could've known Ryder beforehand too, but given that Kadara doesn't exactly have any kind of connection to the Nexus I don't know how any footage might reach him. Not suggesting he knew nothing about Ryder before the meeting, words and rumors travel way more easily..... Good point, although I suspect Reyes has got to have contacts. If Vetra has contacts to the exiles, then Reyes absolutely has connections to Nexus. It’s also interesting that Reyes and Sloane are some of the few people with whom there are no comments on Alec at all. A dog called Rabbit. Wanna call Reyes' rabbit Dog then?^^ Yeah, a bunny called Anubis. lol Now you turned it into an endless nightmare, eroding Ryder's mind and soul. Almost made me curious enough to pose a question to Frazier, but probably not important enough for that. Anyway, I prefer to think it’s an intended feature. Alas, having Ryder comment on Kallo and Gil’s stupid bickering killed the smile. This post is my new favorite thing, ever. Most of the time, unapologetic smut is the best kind of fic. Congrats on writing Reyes true to the character too (well, as I see him anyway). If only Ryder+Reyes got a date skinny dipping in the hot springs... What’s that fiery glow beneath your Ryder’s feet? Well, how would Ryder know about it, when he's keeping it hidden. I had him high up on the Charlatan suspect list but Ryder didn't ask for my opinion, her loss. I went to check on Reyes before heading out to meet Sloane to get an opinion, as was my wont, and only then, seeing that Reyes wasn't in his room, I started to suspect.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jul 28, 2017 20:23:37 GMT
Cats and dogs can like each other, no problem. Aka the only saving grace there is And the pic you chose to illustrate the point is just too cute, as well. Oh btw, it was already heavily implied in the game that Sloane and Kaetus were together for a while. I started reading Nexus Uprising and there it is mentioned she was very close to him back in the Milky Way and there were rumours he followed her to Andromeda out of love. Wait, anyone ever doubted they were involved?? Good point, although I suspect Reyes has got to have contacts. If Vetra has contacts to the exiles, then Reyes absolutely has connections to Nexus. It’s also interesting that Reyes and Sloane are some of the few people with whom there are no comments on Alec at all. Yeah, but it’s damn weird even it Vetra’s case. I mean I’m at the point in the game where the majority of people don’t know where or what Kadara is... and Vetra is selfishly not sharing if she knows something nobody else seems to, which is even weirder. Considering Spender traveled there too, does it make Kadara some sort of public secret or something? Fair point about the connections, after all, the nexus would probably be just as good for business as anything else. I don’t think Reyes or Sloane even have any reason to comment on Alec, given that one of them probably only knows he was some super important pathfinder and the other one doesn’t care because he’s dead and therefore no use... A dog called Rabbit. Wanna call Reyes' rabbit Dog then?^^ Yeah, a bunny called Anubis. Anubis the Bunny of DOOOOM!! Now, that would make for a respectable fluffy pet. Most of the time, unapologetic smut is the best kind of fic. Congrats on writing Reyes true to the character too (well, as I see him anyway). If only Ryder+Reyes got a date skinny dipping in the hot springs... Hmm. I’m not usually a smut person but I might check that out after all... I wouldn’t touch Reyes with a ten foot pole in writing, he’s out of my scope of character extrapolation for personal purposes, at least till there’s more info -if ever... One of these days, though, when I feel the need to pause for a while to RP undisturbed by the game moving ever forward, I will probably make an attempt at some proper post-duel Ryder angst.
Well, how would Ryder know about it, when he's keeping it hidden. I had him high up on the Charlatan suspect list but Ryder didn't ask for my opinion, her loss. I went to check on Reyes before heading out to meet Sloane to get an opinion, as was my wont, and only then, seeing that Reyes wasn't in his room, I started to suspect. I was kinda influenced by Ryder in that case and wasn't really on the lookout for a Charlatan (but expecting them to jump out of somewhere and demand something every minute). Hell, was that a rude awakening for us both (though Ryder got the brunt of it, I was just once more unpleasantly surprised at the poor quality of my metagame inference skills). The one that makes you bash your head against something and yell "holy, shit, so obvious, did I forget to use my head or what, damn me!!!"
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Post by tehprincessj on Jul 28, 2017 20:44:02 GMT
Also. Somebody made something wonderful for me. Don't click on the fic linked in that post unless you're into pointless smut. Most of the time, unapologetic smut is the best kind of fic. Congrats on writing Reyes true to the character too (well, as I see him anyway). If only Ryder+Reyes got a date skinny dipping in the hot springs... Thank you! And man, now I feel like I've been challenged. So maybe I need to write that. But for you, it'd have to be Scott and not Sara. What’s that fiery glow beneath your Ryder’s feet? Fairy dust? Or sulfur, more like. It's all over everyone's feet whenever they're in Draullir. At least, on xbox, it is.
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Post by orchid on Jul 29, 2017 7:22:16 GMT
Yeah, but it’s damn weird even it Vetra’s case. I mean I’m at the point in the game where the majority of people don’t know where or what Kadara is... and Vetra is selfishly not sharing if she knows something nobody else seems to, which is even weirder. Considering Spender traveled there too, does it make Kadara some sort of public secret or something? Fair point about the connections, after all, the nexus would probably be just as good for business as anything else. I don’t think Reyes or Sloane even have any reason to comment on Alec, given that one of them probably only knows he was some super important pathfinder and the other one doesn’t care because he’s dead and therefore no use...
You’re right, and good point about Spender. That entire thing is extremely badly conveyed. Someone should do a timeline. First there’s the uprising, then the exiles go to Kadara – so is the true first contact with angarans made by Sloane’s exiles? Reyes is already dealing with the Aya angarans by the time Ryder “discovers” the planet, so establishing a contact with the government there isn’t all that important. Reyes has made Evfra trust him enough (how? maybe just out of necessity) to handle such sensitive cases like securing the prisoner. Both Sloane and Reyes have made fools of the Nexus. If all this was deliberate to show that Ryder’s looked down so bad that they’re not even presented with the most crucial of information (Addison sabotaging them, so that they’d fail? Vetra just not bothering to inform that “hey, we’ve met these aliens before, just not under this government”?) or to show how inept the Nexus leadership is, that would be fine, but it’s just never commented upon. It’s bad editing of game material, since the lore could be presented in a sensible manner. It's bizarre that Ryder doesn’t bat an eye when Evfra &co tell them about Kadara and the angara/exile society there and that this wasn’t a first contact after all (the team being embarrassed/amused/whatever over that would make a good scene). They could've build upon the Scourge and the Kett hindering communications so bad, that Aya-Kadara-Nexus information flow is insanely bad and faulty, thus making people like Reyes (and the Collective) all the more indispensable. Thank you! And man, now I feel like I've been challenged. So maybe I need to write that. But for you, it'd have to be Scott and not Sara. Weeell, if you ever do, don’t forget to link it here. :dirty: Hot spring bathing would IMO be so fitting for R+R, so that during the game I sort of kept alive the tiniest hope that such a date might actually take place. Oh right, the dust. It’s lighted up so that I didn’t realize. I thought you had found some Boots of Inferno that set Ryder’s footsteps on fire. I want that now actually, if only for the purpose of looking cool (all black armor, of course). Might give Reyes a pause. Your Ryder at least looks great like that.
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 29, 2017 11:03:57 GMT
I've been considering whether he could've known Ryder beforehand too, but given that Kadara doesn't exactly have any kind of connection to the Nexus I don't know how any footage might reach him. Not suggesting he knew nothing about Ryder before the meeting, words and rumors travel way more easily..... Good point, although I suspect Reyes has got to have contacts. If Vetra has contacts to the exiles, then Reyes absolutely has connections to Nexus. It’s also interesting that Reyes and Sloane are some of the few people with whom there are no comments on Alec at all. I just thought Evfra sent him a picture of Ryder. He clearly knows who he's looking for. That and information through the Collective. They have spies. Wait, anyone ever doubted they were involved?? I don't know. I didn't, it's made pretty clear. That story he tells about meeting her on the Citadel might be true after all, despite his denial. She also knew Alec. She thought he is not to be underestimated and after a few meetings her thoughts were that he will not be easy to work with, at least not as easy as the AI council thinks. Yeah, but it’s damn weird even it Vetra’s case. I mean I’m at the point in the game where the majority of people don’t know where or what Kadara is... and Vetra is selfishly not sharing if she knows something nobody else seems to, which is even weirder. Considering Spender traveled there too, does it make Kadara some sort of public secret or something? Fair point about the connections, after all, the nexus would probably be just as good for business as anything else. I don’t think Reyes or Sloane even have any reason to comment on Alec, given that one of them probably only knows he was some super important pathfinder and the other one doesn’t care because he’s dead and therefore no use...
You’re right, and good point about Spender. That entire thing is extremely badly conveyed. Someone should do a timeline. First there’s the uprising, then the exiles go to Kadara – so is the true first contact with angarans made by Sloane’s exiles? Reyes is already dealing with the Aya angarans by the time Ryder “discovers” the planet, so establishing a contact with the government there isn’t all that important. Reyes has made Evfra trust him enough (how? maybe just out of necessity) to handle such sensitive cases like securing the prisoner. Both Sloane and Reyes have made fools of the Nexus. If all this was deliberate to show that Ryder’s looked down so bad that they’re not even presented with the most crucial of information (Addison sabotaging them, so that they’d fail? Vetra just not bothering to inform that “hey, we’ve met these aliens before, just not under this government”?) or to show how inept the Nexus leadership is, that would be fine, but it’s just never commented upon. It's a mess, really. Yes, Sloane meets the Kadara angara first, also angara in other settlements before, she says that. Reyes works with Evfra. He's not the Aya governor but has a lot of say. Evfra says he doesn't trust him but he needs him because it is easier for Reyes to get information from the MW aliens than it would be for an angara and the ones on Kadara are not keen on the Resistance. He trusts him enough for the prisoner, true, I think he doesn't have many contacts, seeing how he's so clueless when Reyes has to go into hiding. This first contact was really just first contact for Aya with aliens. For most of the angara living there it was something new. The one who scans Ryder although has ties to Kadara and was already exposed to the newcomers. Kadara angarans are not viewed favourably by the ones on Aya. They abandoned Aya and don't help the Resistance. They'd rather live under/with the exiles than leave the planet. The angara don't like the exiles and how they run the Port and there's no collaboration. This still makes it important for the Nexus to establish good relations with the angaran government because before there is none. The angara realise Nexus and exiles are different groups. Vetra not saying anything is strange. She didn't meet the angara before either, she was stuck on the Nexus but her contacts certainly told her that they are out there. She also knows Kadara exists and so does Spender. Addison and Tann, I don't know. They don't say anything, everybody acts like it's unknown where the exiles left to. I think Kadara and exiles living there is mentioned in the news after you found Aya. Also everybody, like the guy and his wife from the first murder quest if exiled, ends up there. And if you're too bad for Kadara, there's always Elaaden, where exiles get exiled to. True. All Ryder can do is ask Paaran Shie, hey why didn't you say anything before, afterwards. That they met MW aliens before can be an explanation why the translation works once they land on Aya. This was also strangely handled. Nobody wonders why suddenly they can have a conversation when two minutes earlier all they understood was gibberish. The first time around I thought SAM did it on the fly.
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Post by haolyn on Jul 29, 2017 11:04:01 GMT
Yeah, but it’s damn weird even it Vetra’s case. I mean I’m at the point in the game where the majority of people don’t know where or what Kadara is... and Vetra is selfishly not sharing if she knows something nobody else seems to, which is even weirder. Considering Spender traveled there too, does it make Kadara some sort of public secret or something? Fair point about the connections, after all, the nexus would probably be just as good for business as anything else. I don’t think Reyes or Sloane even have any reason to comment on Alec, given that one of them probably only knows he was some super important pathfinder and the other one doesn’t care because he’s dead and therefore no use...
You’re right, and good point about Spender. That entire thing is extremely badly conveyed. Someone should do a timeline. First there’s the uprising, then the exiles go to Kadara – so is the true first contact with angarans made by Sloane’s exiles? Reyes is already dealing with the Aya angarans by the time Ryder “discovers” the planet, so establishing a contact with the government there isn’t all that important. Reyes has made Evfra trust him enough (how? maybe just out of necessity) to handle such sensitive cases like securing the prisoner. Both Sloane and Reyes have made fools of the Nexus. If all this was deliberate to show that Ryder’s looked down so bad that they’re not even presented with the most crucial of information (Addison sabotaging them, so that they’d fail? Vetra just not bothering to inform that “hey, we’ve met these aliens before, just not under this government”?) or to show how inept the Nexus leadership is, that would be fine, but it’s just never commented upon. It’s bad editing of game material, since the lore could be presented in a sensible manner. It's bizarre that Ryder doesn’t bat an eye when Evfra &co tell them about Kadara and the angara/exile society there and that this wasn’t a first contact after all (the team being embarrassed/amused/whatever over that would make a good scene). They could've build upon the Scourge and the Kett hindering communications so bad, that Aya-Kadara-Nexus information flow is insanely bad and faulty, thus making people like Reyes (and the Collective) all the more indispensable. I think this is because different writers were responsible for different sections of the story and they didn't really communicate well with one another? Like after High Noon if you side with Reyes it's apparently a big secret that Reyes is the Charlatan but Tann and Addison and co are aware and cool with it like it's common knowledge but Evfra and the Resistance have no idea? It's really strange.
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 29, 2017 11:33:39 GMT
Yes, this might be. Or in this case it could be really only those two who know. He is also clueless if Reyes is exposed. The whole of Heleus knows, except the people on Aya. I suggested earlier to give them access to HNS. They're clearly out of the loop.
Sometimes I wonder if the developers play their own games. Some things make you scratch your head immediately, not only once you think too much about it all.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jul 29, 2017 13:19:35 GMT
Good point, although I suspect Reyes has got to have contacts. If Vetra has contacts to the exiles, then Reyes absolutely has connections to Nexus. It’s also interesting that Reyes and Sloane are some of the few people with whom there are no comments on Alec at all. I just thought Evfra sent him a picture of Ryder. He clearly knows who he's looking for. That and information through the Collective. They have spies. Now I imagine Collective people or well camouflaged resistance fighters stalking Ryder's every step with cameras (waaait, that's my job!!) Great (On a more serious note, there is alwas the possibility that Reyes gets to know who he's looking for the moment the Tempest docks at the Port... there is some time to go till the meeting and he has eyes all over the place, it's not that hard) I don't know. I didn't, it's made pretty clear. That story he tells about meeting her on the Citadel might be true after all, despite his denial. She also knew Alec. She thought he is not to be underestimated and after a few meetings her thoughts were that he will not be easy to work with, at least not as easy as the AI council thinks. I think it's true and he just denies it to cover his misstep of blabbing such personal info to random stranger Sloane disapproves of to boot. But since we've been nitpicky, does someone have an explanation to how the fuck Kaetus appeared on Kadara when he claims to be of Ark Natanus which is drifting on the other side of Heleus? Did he like got jettisoned at the most convenient of moments, left Rix's group when he learned about the exiles or was transported to Kadara by immensely powerful Remnant space voodoo? You’re right, and good point about Spender. That entire thing is extremely badly conveyed. Someone should do a timeline. First there’s the uprising, then the exiles go to Kadara – so is the true first contact with angarans made by Sloane’s exiles? Reyes is already dealing with the Aya angarans by the time Ryder “discovers” the planet, so establishing a contact with the government there isn’t all that important. Reyes has made Evfra trust him enough (how? maybe just out of necessity) to handle such sensitive cases like securing the prisoner. Both Sloane and Reyes have made fools of the Nexus. If all this was deliberate to show that Ryder’s looked down so bad that they’re not even presented with the most crucial of information (Addison sabotaging them, so that they’d fail? Vetra just not bothering to inform that “hey, we’ve met these aliens before, just not under this government”?) or to show how inept the Nexus leadership is, that would be fine, but it’s just never commented upon. It's a mess, really. Yes, Sloane meets the Kadara angara first, also angara in other settlements before, she says that. Reyes works with Evfra. He's not the Aya governor but has a lot of say. Evfra says he doesn't trust him but he needs him because it is easier for Reyes to get information from the MW aliens than it would be for an angara and the ones on Kadara are not keen on the Resistance. He trusts him enough for the prisoner, true, I think he doesn't have many contacts, seeing how he's so clueless when Reyes has to go into hiding. This first contact was really just first contact for Aya with aliens. For most of the angara living there it was something new. The one who scans Ryder although has ties to Kadara and was already exposed to the newcomers. Kadara angarans are not viewed favourably by the ones on Aya. They abandoned Aya and don't help the Resistance. They'd rather live under/with the exiles than leave the planet. The angara don't like the exiles and how they run the Port and there's no collaboration. This still makes it important for the Nexus to establish good relations with the angaran government because before there is none. The angara realise Nexus and exiles are different groups. Vetra not saying anything is strange. She didn't meet the angara before either, she was stuck on the Nexus but her contacts certainly told her that they are out there. She also knows Kadara exists and so does Spender. Addison and Tann, I don't know. They don't say anything, everybody acts like it's unknown where the exiles left to. I think Kadara and exiles living there is mentioned in the news after you found Aya. Also everybody, like the guy and his wife from the first murder quest if exiled, ends up there. And if you're too bad for Kadara, there's always Elaaden, where exiles get exiled to. True. All Ryder can do is ask Paaran Shie, hey why didn't you say anything before, afterwards. That they met MW aliens before can be an explanation why the translation works once they land on Aya. This was also strangely handled. Nobody wonders why suddenly they can have a conversation when two minutes earlier all they understood was gibberish. The first time around I thought SAM did it on the fly. Yep, I wanted to point that one out as well, if nothing else, at least this thing makes conversing with the angara two minutes after meeting them make sense. (I noticed it begins with the governor speaking, so I guess she has some translator routine she can trasmit to the Pathfinder or something like that) Also explains why they are not exactly shaken by the sight of new aliens in their cluster. I wonder if we'll ever get to really discover a species for the first time.. But i wouldn't go as far as saying the exiles unapologetically taking over Kadara port amount to any proper first contact, besides making the AI look like an untrustworthy bunch of squabbling idiots. That the MW crew has in some form met the Angara mostly means that we have been cheated of our "real" first interspecies meeting as the surprise has been spoiled for at least one of the parties. However, the AI is still in the first contact position, spoiled or not, as it mostly falls to them to create some sort of dialogue/trust/cooperation and shit. But yeah, it's still weird nobody seems to care AI is late once again... If anyone really marks the beginnings of contact with the Angara it would probably be Reyes, though. How he pulled off that Resistance employ the conditions being as they were, that should really be addressed somewhere (perhaps he charmed an entire kett base into submission?) Vetra's (and some other character's) role in all this is just plain strange, but I guess this whole Kadara thing puts the characters in an awkward position metagame-wise, given they might quite clearly possess knowledge the game doesn't want you to have just yet.
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Post by orchid on Jul 29, 2017 17:13:50 GMT
True. All Ryder can do is ask Paaran Shie, hey why didn't you say anything before, afterwards. What does she/he answer? (I swear I have actually completed the game once.)Oh right, the glaringly obvious option. No wonder I didn't think of it. You're absolutely right about how important Ryder establishing diplomatic relations is. However, I was more about the game’s promise of getting to be an explorer into the unknown and how the Pathfinder supposedly forges the way ahead for the others. "Welp, guess what Ryder, every single planet (apart from the ruined Habitat 7) is inhabited and half of them have Milky Way people doing business with the locals." Sloane making the first contact is absolutely “proper” in that context. This could work as deconstruction of the Pathfinder’s mythical aura, but as we know, there’s no content towards that. Well, at least we got to find the Meridian as first species after the Kett. What I said.^ Sloane has a connection, if strained, with Kadara’s unaffiliated angara, Reyes with the official Angaran rulers via Evfra. This mirrors how the Collective is willing to work with the official Milky Way ruling body, and Sloane merely tolerates one person [Ryder] if chosen. As a result, the AI really does come across as incompetent. I wonder why they didn’t address this in the game, since the theme of the leaders’ ineptitude was already well established – devs not communicating with each other, like haolyn said, could indeed be the answer. Yeah, they clearly wanted an Omega-lite planet and specific character types to interact with it, and sort of brute-forced it. Guess we can allow it, since Kadara is the best planet.
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Post by haolyn on Jul 29, 2017 17:21:14 GMT
That's my attitude too - Kadara's cool so I'll allow the plot holes. Reyes making me abandon all my standards
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jul 29, 2017 18:22:26 GMT
Yeah, but it’s damn weird even it Vetra’s case. I mean I’m at the point in the game where the majority of people don’t know where or what Kadara is... and Vetra is selfishly not sharing if she knows something nobody else seems to, which is even weirder. Considering Spender traveled there too, does it make Kadara some sort of public secret or something? Fair point about the connections, after all, the nexus would probably be just as good for business as anything else. I don’t think Reyes or Sloane even have any reason to comment on Alec, given that one of them probably only knows he was some super important pathfinder and the other one doesn’t care because he’s dead and therefore no use...
You’re right, and good point about Spender. That entire thing is extremely badly conveyed. Someone should do a timeline. First there’s the uprising, then the exiles go to Kadara – so is the true first contact with angarans made by Sloane’s exiles? Reyes is already dealing with the Aya angarans by the time Ryder “discovers” the planet, so establishing a contact with the government there isn’t all that important. Reyes has made Evfra trust him enough (how? maybe just out of necessity) to handle such sensitive cases like securing the prisoner. Both Sloane and Reyes have made fools of the Nexus. If all this was deliberate to show that Ryder’s looked down so bad that they’re not even presented with the most crucial of information (Addison sabotaging them, so that they’d fail? Vetra just not bothering to inform that “hey, we’ve met these aliens before, just not under this government”?) or to show how inept the Nexus leadership is, that would be fine, but it’s just never commented upon. It’s bad editing of game material, since the lore could be presented in a sensible manner. It's bizarre that Ryder doesn’t bat an eye when Evfra &co tell them about Kadara and the angara/exile society there and that this wasn’t a first contact after all (the team being embarrassed/amused/whatever over that would make a good scene). They could've build upon the Scourge and the Kett hindering communications so bad, that Aya-Kadara-Nexus information flow is insanely bad and faulty, thus making people like Reyes (and the Collective) all the more indispensable. Any time Ryder mentions first contact, I just laugh since the exiles had been busy making first contact all over the place, while Ryder was still in stasis.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jul 29, 2017 18:24:24 GMT
True. All Ryder can do is ask Paaran Shie, hey why didn't you say anything before, afterwards. What does she/he answer? (I swear I have actually completed the game once.)If I remember right, she answers something like, "I thought you already knew".
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Post by Zitrus on Jul 29, 2017 18:26:18 GMT
(On a more serious note, there is alwas the possibility that Reyes gets to know who he's looking for the moment the Tempest docks at the Port... there is some time to go till the meeting and he has eyes all over the place, it's not that hard) Yes, that's just perfect, actually. The Natanus' pods are all over the place. We meet Avitus on Havarl, there are pods on Elaaden (I think?). So maybe (totally conveniently) his crashed on some planet the exiles visited before Kadara. The way he talks suggests he arrived with the exiles on Kadara and fought the kett. Evfra was looking for people who could be his eyes and ears, preferably MW aliens, after Sloane took over. Could be Reyes persuaded him (Shena, huh) or his representative that he could pull this off and would also be able to get them other things through his smuggler connections. I just had an idea. Vetra keeps quiet about Kadara and angara because she doesn't want Ryder to get in trouble. She mentions on Kadara it's better for Ryder not to know who her contacts are because the business is kinda illegal. So she doesn't say anything because then there would be questions about how and where. True. All Ryder can do is ask Paaran Shie, hey why didn't you say anything before, afterwards. What does she/he answer? (I swear I have actually completed the game once.) Psst, I'm still at the start of my 2nd as well.She says she thought Ryder had been informed about Kadara Port and that they didn't know there was a difference between the exiles and the Nexus.
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Post by starlord on Jul 30, 2017 6:45:16 GMT
I recently got into Raleigh Ritchie and GODDAMN does this song give me Reyes/Ryder feels.
Helped with my writing process for sure.
(If you haven't heard of him or only know him through GOT, I suggest you check out his music. Can't recommend him enough!)
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jul 30, 2017 10:06:59 GMT
You're absolutely right about how important Ryder establishing diplomatic relations is. However, I was more about the game’s promise of getting to be an explorer into the unknown and how the Pathfinder supposedly forges the way ahead for the others. "Welp, guess what Ryder, every single planet (apart from the ruined Habitat 7) is inhabited and half of them have Milky Way people doing business with the locals." Sloane making the first contact is absolutely “proper” in that context. This could work as deconstruction of the Pathfinder’s mythical aura, but as we know, there’s no content towards that. Well, at least we got to find the Meridian as first species after the Kett. We can always hope the exploring part comes later now that the unexpected "get this shitshow to actually work" part is successfully over. I always thought first contact was a bit more of a government scale thing, which would more fit Reyes' or AI's dealing with the Angara, but if you go general about it then Sloane' exiles definitely fit. Wait, pathfinders are supposed to have mythical aura? They tend to die quite quickly for that... But perhaps it could at least be said that we (or better Alec?) get to make first contact with the Remnant.. not like anyone was able to do much about them till mr. Ryder and his little helper strolled in... The Natanus' pods are all over the place. We meet Avitus on Havarl, there are pods on Elaaden (I think?). So maybe (totally conveniently) his crashed on some planet the exiles visited before Kadara. The way he talks suggests he arrived with the exiles on Kadara and fought the kett. Lucky guy, eh? People get stranded on hostile planets, die horrible deaths being jettisoned and there he is, just where he needs to be. Huh, my money's still on immensely powerful space voodoo. We all know Sloane is capable of anything.
I just had an idea. Vetra keeps quiet about Kadara and angara because she doesn't want Ryder to get in trouble. She mentions on Kadara it's better for Ryder not to know who her contacts are because the business is kinda illegal. So she doesn't say anything because then there would be questions about how and where. Whoa, that almost sounds like an explanation Still a bit convenient when at least some passing knowledge of Kadara would have helped, but it makes perfect sense, considering.
Evfra was looking for people who could be his eyes and ears, preferably MW aliens, after Sloane took over. Could be Reyes persuaded him (Shena, huh) or his representative that he could pull this off and would also be able to get them other things through his smuggler connections. Now I actually wonder whether Reyes and Evfra ever got to talk in person. I don't know why but I have a feeling that their interaction would have to be kinda hilarious.
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Post by orchid on Jul 30, 2017 11:44:44 GMT
Wait, pathfinders are supposed to have mythical aura? They tend to die quite quickly for that... Well yea, based on the reactions of random and not so random NPCs and the reverence for the title/job held by even those that find Ryder as a person insufficient. Now I didn’t follow the marketing for MEA very closely, but getting to be a Grand Explorer as the Pathfinder seemed like a theme. Also I recommend keeping Raeka alive! She's way too cool to die for no-name Krogan. I just had an idea. Vetra keeps quiet about Kadara and angara because she doesn't want Ryder to get in trouble. She mentions on Kadara it's better for Ryder not to know who her contacts are because the business is kinda illegal. So she doesn't say anything because then there would be questions about how and where. Whoa, that almost sounds like an explanation Still a bit convenient when at least some passing knowledge of Kadara would have helped, but it makes perfect sense, considering. I disagree hard. That would be incredibly bad move from Vetra. Withholding the existence of an entire planet with a significant and reasonably powerful society, just because the babby pathfinder (not to be trusted with sharp objects!) might get in trouble? Vetra can be hen-motherly, but she largely manages to contain that sentiment towards Sid, and she treats Ryder with respect. Cora, for one, is much more dismissive of Ryder (as well as the entire human species lol). Besides, being ignorant of Kadara could potentially lead to bigger problems than being aware of it and its factions. Vetra covering for herself would make more sense. Still, I remain in the plain and simple plot-hole/bad writing camp on this one. Now I actually wonder whether Reyes and Evfra ever got to talk in person. I don't know why but I have a feeling that their interaction would have to be kinda hilarious. Probably via vidcon. I’m imagining Evfra fuming at ever-so-cool Reyes. Wonder where Reyes gets the weapons he deals? Recovered Kett/Remnant stuff or stolen out of Kandros’ arsenal? Could be conflict brewing... Some shipments could be intercepted from the Outcasts, but that's of course a disappearing venue... The Collective may also manufacture weapons themselves, but I imagine not on a large scale and mostly for their own use.
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