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Post by orchid on Aug 9, 2017 11:23:54 GMT
I kinda feel like it'll be a goody two shoes scenario where Ryder is thrown into the thick of it with the Collective and sees the stuff that Ryes probably does not want them to see. I feel like a lot of people in Reyes's circle would be very cautious of Ryder betraying him out of anger/obligation/ etc. Ryder has to prove themselves loyal to the Collective's cause, no matter how shady or violent that cause turns out to be. In my dream DLC scenario, this squadmate would be older, seasoned, and a total badass, so by the end of the DLC, you feel accomplished if they at least half smile at you. You mean just in regards to the new temp-squaddie? Yeah, I can see a mechanic where the squaddie would only really like Ryder if they agreed in methods and goals. I can’t imagine myself particularly caring whether some gangster we’ve just met approves of Ryder or not, though, especially if they’re a conceited asshole. If it didn’t mean Ryder being forced by the plot to really, really wanting to be this one dude’s bestie, but instead just was a side thing where you’d maybe get some more info out of the squaddie, it could work. As we know, the Collective HQ people have been given strict orders to be nice to the Pathfinder, the wording being a bit much even (“show Him the respect He deserves”, capital H and all, like Ryder’s some minor deity ). Reyes would not be amused if his underlings were giving shit to Ryder. He’d tell them to act pleasant, since their alliance is extremely important for the Collective's continued rulership of Kadara – after all, if Reyes managed to sour his working relationship with Ryder/the Nexus, it would be a severe blow to his power. If anything, it’ll be Ryder making demands to Reyes (or Sloane, if she’s in power). Ideally of course both of them would need to compromise mutually, but that'd be between Reyes and Ryder alone. I don't know, he was probably never even meant to be that closely studied, but he still somehow reminds me of this BioWare’s fault. They gave us so little Reyes content that we’re reduced to analyzing minute details like this. The Charlatan business is dangerous, there are many types of situations you need to survive and as Zia proves, one sometimes gets called out and what then? (and also another, more practical one... is Reyes actually any good in combat at all?) I think Reyes is unkillable in the Kadara combat missions, so maybe he’s achieved CHIM. The predictable way would be just to kit him out like any other squaddie, but I’d like it more if combat wasn’t his strength. I mean he can fight if supported by a squad, but I don’t think he’d survive the Roekaar cave alone. Or the Sloane duel, obviously. This is why I like the mech or gunship ideas, along with him coming along as an information broker aboard the Tempest idea. Like Reyes himself says, let Ryder go out there and play the hero. I like how the two of them both have their unique, complementing strengths. The gunship idea is good. They still need to actually show us his piloting skills, not just talk over comms about him clearing the sky. He can just become an NPC at that point to avoid issues controlling him. Or something like the chasing scene in LotSB. Just that he is flying the shuttle and Ryder is, I don't know, doing something else. Ooh I like that. Reyes would do the flying, and Ryder would just sit tight (which would save us from the riding part, which I didn’t like in that section of LotSB). Ryder could be handling the weapons – as in a cutscene, not any more of those goddamn turrets from ME3 lol. Also an opportunity for a romance scene. Reyes could take Ryder out to some nice location, or maybe just float in some pretty section of space. Cortez had the shuttle romance scene in ME3, but it wasn’t really all that special. They could also leave the third squadmate out. It could just be the two of them. Kasumi's mission had fighting too and it was just her and Shep. If you are with Sloane it's either her or Kaetus. Maybe rather Kaetus since she says he will lead the hunt personally. That would also be resource saving, since otherwise the second temp-squaddie would really have to be someone that could go along with either Reyes or Sloane. So, no Collective members. That probably brings us back to Keema, again. She could turn out to be a traitor no matter whether you chose with Reyes or Sloane, having her own scheme going on regardless of which human was reigning on Kadara. So, both a squaddie and a minor boss - efficient!
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Aug 9, 2017 14:08:53 GMT
Reyes states Evfra wouldn't care about that, only results matter. So he might just shrug at it. There's that, yep, but I can't imagine him taking it so calmly when he'd face a situation when everyone and their dog know what's going on and hopelessly clueless Evfra doesn't He doesn't seem like someone who would appreciate being the only ignorant one in the room BioWare’s fault. They gave us so little Reyes content that we’re reduced to analyzing minute details like this. Yep, let's blame it on them, overanalyzing is totally not what we do around here . No way this would've turned up eventually. And that's even if you could even argue that guy is a very important minor detail and all. Which of course isn't saying MEA doesn't need more Reyes content. It always does... and as a bonus we get to pick all of the extra content apart to the most minute of details again. Fun. I think Reyes is unkillable in the Kadara combat missions, so maybe he’s achieved CHIM. The predictable way would be just to kit him out like any other squaddie, but I’d like it more if combat wasn’t his strength. I mean he can fight if supported by a squad, but I don’t think he’d survive the Roekaar cave alone. Or the Sloane duel, obviously. This is why I like the mech or gunship ideas, along with him coming along as an information broker aboard the Tempest idea. Like Reyes himself says, let Ryder go out there and play the hero. I like how the two of them both have their unique, complementing strengths. Never heard of CHIM, but I suddenly got the image of him having screwed the Grim Reaper over in some backwater bar in the Milky way... you know, he got drunk with that weird-ass hooded figure, cheated him of his scythe in a card game and then immortality stuff just happened.. somehow, who knows, there were a lot of drinks on the table that night He seemed to have the cave well planned, though. Perhaps if he used more explosives, no Pathfinder and team would even be needed. Otherwise agreed, he and Ryder work together just great when they join their particular talents, no need to drag any delicate spy network gang leaders through the thick of it. Personally, I never liked those mechs very much, they are like more mechy version of power armor and I dislike even that, so the gunship ftw. Plus it's more likely given Reyes is supposed to be a pilot. Ooh I like that. Reyes would do the flying, and Ryder would just sit tight (which would save us from the riding part, which I didn’t like in that section of LotSB). Ryder could be handling the weapons – as in a cutscene, not any more of those goddamn turrets from ME3 lol. Also an opportunity for a romance scene. Reyes could take Ryder out to some nice location, or maybe just float in some pretty section of space. Cortez had the shuttle romance scene in ME3, but it wasn’t really all that special. Ryder and Reyes, finally alone, having a date floating in some dark corner of the cluster with a great view. Now that would be one hell of a romance scene Even better than the hot springs one, no dinosaurs or forgotten architects to ruin the atmosphere. They could also leave the third squadmate out. It could just be the two of them. Kasumi's mission had fighting too and it was just her and Shep. If you are with Sloane it's either her or Kaetus. Maybe rather Kaetus since she says he will lead the hunt personally. That would also be resource saving, since otherwise the second temp-squaddie would really have to be someone that could go along with either Reyes or Sloane. So, no Collective members. That probably brings us back to Keema, again. She could turn out to be a traitor no matter whether you chose with Reyes or Sloane, having her own scheme going on regardless of which human was reigning on Kadara. So, both a squaddie and a minor boss - efficient! Very efficient indeed, but it has already happened with Brooks. I'm not sure they would replicate that situation, unless the future cthulhu thing antagonist downright crawls out of her... I'd say if Keema is in, it's probably as a full time ally or bad guy. I kinda feel like it'll be a goody two shoes scenario where Ryder is thrown into the thick of it with the Collective and sees the stuff that Ryes probably does not want them to see. I feel like a lot of people in Reyes's circle would be very cautious of Ryder betraying him out of anger/obligation/ etc. Ryder has to prove themselves loyal to the Collective's cause, no matter how shady or violent that cause turns out to be. In my dream DLC scenario, this squadmate would be older, seasoned, and a total badass, so by the end of the DLC, you feel accomplished if they at least half smile at you. You mean just in regards to the new temp-squaddie? Yeah, I can see a mechanic where the squaddie would only really like Ryder if they agreed in methods and goals. I can’t imagine myself particularly caring whether some gangster we’ve just met approves of Ryder or not, though, especially if they’re a conceited asshole. If it didn’t mean Ryder being forced by the plot to really, really wanting to be this one dude’s bestie, but instead just was a side thing where you’d maybe get some more info out of the squaddie, it could work. As we know, the Collective HQ people have been given strict orders to be nice to the Pathfinder, the wording being a bit much even (“show Him the respect He deserves”, capital H and all, like Ryder’s some minor deity ). Reyes would not be amused if his underlings were giving shit to Ryder. He’d tell them to act pleasant, since their alliance is extremely important for the Collective's continued rulership of Kadara – after all, if Reyes managed to sour his working relationship with Ryder/the Nexus, it would be a severe blow to his power. If anything, it’ll be Ryder making demands to Reyes (or Sloane, if she’s in power). Ideally of course both of them would need to compromise mutually, but that'd be between Reyes and Ryder alone. Also if that happens after the end of the main story, Ryder could almost say they have proven themselves to everyone alright... but there are always those guys who aren’t all that impressed. But I really wonder if everyone in the Collective would heed that order. after all, that one’s hard to prove one way or another... It might actually be interesting to have some turn of events rest on whether the squadmate actually agrees with Ryder or not, that one hasn’t been there for a long time.
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Post by orchid on Aug 9, 2017 16:30:31 GMT
Never heard of CHIM, but I suddenly got the image of him having screwed the Grim Reaper over in some backwater bar in the Milky way... you know, he got drunk with that weird-ass hooded figure, cheated him of his scythe in a card game and then immortality stuff just happened.. somehow, who knows, there were a lot of drinks on the table that night He seemed to have the cave well planned, though. Perhaps if he used more explosives, no Pathfinder and team would even be needed. Otherwise agreed, he and Ryder work together just great when they join their particular talents, no need to drag any delicate spy network gang leaders through the thick of it. Personally, I never liked those mechs very much, they are like more mechy version of power armor and I dislike even that, so the gunship ftw. Plus it's more likely given Reyes is supposed to be a pilot. Haha, yes, that’s true. Reyes is the delicate one, as we know. ^-^ That line is maybe in my top-3 or at least top-5 favorite Reyes moments. Since this page incredibly doesn’t have single one Reyes picture yet, here’s Reyes looking angelic from that scene: I wonder tho if he doesn’t have some ultra-thin Kevlar under his jacket or something. I imagine Ryder sending Reyes a gift packet with a shiny, new armor and specially crafted rifle to replace the ratty avenger he has, but Reyes just won’t bother with it. I love the idea of Reyes beating Death not at chess, but at paz… uh, poker or something. Something must explain his plot armor. (CHIM is a concept from Bethesda’s Elder Scrolls whereupon a person can reach godhood through illumination, which essentially means being able to discover the game editor and modding one’s character sheet. If you’ve missed this RPG gem, I recommend getting Morrowind GOTY edition with the two expansion packs, since it costs probably like 3 euros, and not bother with the other games in the series.)The gunship could give us a nice parallel to Zaeed’s mission against Vido, if this time it were Kaetus shooting at Reyes, going mad with rage. (Not sure how to tie cthulhu-Keema into that.) Ryder and Reyes, finally alone, having a date floating in some dark corner of the cluster with a great view. Now that would be one hell of a romance scene Even better than the hot springs one, no dinosaurs or forgotten architects to ruin the atmosphere. It would be beautiful... Just the two of them under starlight, a continuation for the rooftop scene. Aw, now I made myself sad, since we’re not getting that. Very efficient indeed, but it has already happened with Brooks. I'm not sure they would replicate that situation, unless the future cthulhu thing antagonist downright crawls out of her... I'd say if Keema is in, it's probably as a full time ally or bad guy. Ah you’re totally right. I forgot all about Brooks. I hated it, by the way, since I got angry right at the start at them just including this random stranger without a question. I guess the same obliviousness might happen with Keema, and it would be even worse, since while I can buy Shepard being an idiot, Reyes should really be smarter than that. Also if that happens after the end of the main story, Ryder could almost say they have proven themselves to everyone alright... but there are always those guys who aren’t all that impressed. But I really wonder if everyone in the Collective would heed that order. after all, that one’s hard to prove one way or another... It might actually be interesting to have some turn of events rest on whether the squadmate actually agrees with Ryder or not, that one hasn’t been there for a long time. Oh that's true, no doubt of that. As we know, there already is that one agent at the HQ’s prison that gets irritated if you ask her to stop the beating. But if some Collective member turned their nose up at Ryder and told them to eat shit, I’d go “sure whatever” and not start a groveling quest to win their favor. And same goes for a potential Outcast squaddie if this was mirrored in pro-Sloane content. Also truth about Ryder having proved themselves. Ryder will surely have more challenges ahead, but I think they've moved at least partially past the proving themselves to all sorts of folks stage.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 9, 2017 18:21:46 GMT
2. She knows he is the Charlatan, either before the main game or after High Noon. For example maybe she piloted the ship that helps him escape if you side with Sloane or was at the base when that ship arrives. That would have to be after the game, since you can go to the Collective HQ after High Noon and she still doesn’t know the Charlatan personally. I agree that Keema would make a better enemy than a squaddie, but I don’t think she’s grand enough for a BioWare boss. She’d have to be a traitor working for some Big Bad, tying the plot into some bigger threat. I bet there’s something in that black hole in the middle of the cluster. A big, sleeping cthulhu-thing, and maybe a means for fast travel between clusters? Something like that. Ah, okay. I didn't know that. The people at the Collective Base aren't really in a talkative mood if I go there after High Noon. Oh, I agree. I think it would be more a case where she sells everyone out to the big bad of the DLC. Perhaps in exchange for her help, she gets complete control of Kadara rather than being in a puppet position she sees herself in. Or maybe even a more noble reason like the angara of Kadara will be spared if she helps. As for the black hole, I hope so but that could just be my astronomy nerd kicking in since the black hole there doesn't make sense. It is far too big considering how much mass it has.
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Post by tehprincessj on Aug 9, 2017 18:44:07 GMT
See, I don't really think Keema sees herself as a puppet. "My ass does more than just sit in this chair." Since this is all just speculation, anyway, I'm going to go on record again as saying that I really like the idea that Keema and Reyes are tight and that she's one of the very select few that actually knows him completely. I see that going both ways. He put her in charge because she should be in charge. Also, top:
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Post by Zitrus on Aug 9, 2017 23:24:08 GMT
Yes, she's too ambitious to be a mere puppet and he listens to her, to an extent at least. The problem could be that she doesn't want to share the power or they disagree about how things should go. It might happen but it would be the obvious idea for the continuation of the story. He should stay vigilant just in case. He introduces her as a friend, a really rare thing for him, they must have history. I'd like to learn how they actually met and formed the plan to replace Sloane. I wonder tho if he doesn’t have some ultra-thin Kevlar under his jacket or something. I imagine Ryder sending Reyes a gift packet with a shiny, new armor and specially crafted rifle to replace the ratty avenger he has, but Reyes just won’t bother with it. Lol, maybe it's a totally modded beast of an avenger. Yes, I imagine he wears some armour under his suit. It looks like this at the collar, like there is a layer beneath. And if not that, it is reinforced.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Aug 10, 2017 15:12:06 GMT
.. I love the idea of Reyes beating Death not at chess, but at paz… uh, poker or something. Something must explain his plot armor. (CHIM is a concept from Bethesda’s Elder Scrolls whereupon a person can reach godhood through illumination, which essentially means being able to discover the game editor and modding one’s character sheet. If you’ve missed this RPG gem, I recommend getting Morrowind GOTY edition with the two expansion packs, since it costs probably like 3 euros, and not bother with the other games in the series.)The gunship could give us a nice parallel to Zaeed’s mission against Vido, if this time it were Kaetus shooting at Reyes, going mad with rage. (Not sure how to tie cthulhu-Keema into that.) Whoever said Death has to play chess anyway? Perhaps he’s just plain horrible at it (Hmm. now I wonder the odds Reyes is good at chess). Well, unless they explain the plot armor differently, I’m sticking with this as an explanation. The idea of Reyes and Death playing is somehow intriguing... and the shadier the game they choose the better, it fts the environment. On the other hand, the idea of Reyes modding his own character sheet is also priceless. It would explain why he’s so damn smug most of the time So, Morrrowind is really that good? I loved Oblivion and enjoyed the first half or so of my pt of Skyrim right before MEA came out, but I just couldn’t get my bearings in Morrowind, most of the time I wasn’t sure where I was headed and gave up the weird moment I realized I’d been running around Vivec like a headless chicken for at least an hour and was no closer to wherever I was supposed to be, which I had of course promptly forgotten by then... Well, I’ll need something new to play after MEA so perhaps I could consider another chance...
Regarding the gunship thing, I was first reminded of Garrus’ recruitment mission in ME2 and my disappointment Shepard can’t play Kaetus with that gunship and adepting it to little shreds (but of course, Shepard can’t do all that biotic stuff, that’s for other characters and their coooool cutscenes ). That said, I don’t really thing Kaetus would attack that gunship unless severely pressed, he seems too rational for that. Cthulhu Keema is easy, she just pops in uninvited, says something villainous and joins the fray so that Ryder could be separated from the main fight for a while with some extra revelation on the side Oh that's true, no doubt of that. As we know, there already is that one agent at the HQ’s prison that gets irritated if you ask her to stop the beating. But if some Collective member turned their nose up at Ryder and told them to eat shit, I’d go “sure whatever” and not start a groveling quest to win their favor. And same goes for a potential Outcast squaddie if this was mirrored in pro-Sloane content. Also truth about Ryder having proved themselves. Ryder will surely have more challenges ahead, but I think they've moved at least partially past the proving themselves to all sorts of folks stage. Me and my Ryder approve of this It might actually get a lot worse in the outcast scenario, since the Outcasts are under no obligation to be polite and all. But if the approval mechanic was well handled, well, why not include something like that. Options. I still think that Ryder’s bitterest enemy in the Collective would be the one who tells you all those times you need to stop maniacally pushing that button (any chance he’s a salarian? I can’t remember) Lol, maybe it's a totally modded beast of an avenger. Yes, I imagine he wears some armour under his suit. It looks like this at the collar, like there is a layer beneath. And if not that, it is reinforced. I' say that's a given, he's way too protective of his ass to put it in danger in any way. But the less conspicuous that is, the better. As for Keema, I wonder if Reyes perhaps calls her a friend because he wants to keep certain appearance of that up... I don’t know why but she sets off all my "warning" flags on code red. Grates on my nerves. Gives me a bad feeling through and through. Leaving her in charge regardless how much of the puppet mode is engaged seems as clever as... hm... say, leaving Ming Xiao in charge of LA, if someone happens to see where I’m coming from. But perhaps I’m just paranoid.
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Post by tehprincessj on Aug 10, 2017 17:08:41 GMT
Reyes talks to Keema about his crush on Ryder. That's really all I needed to hear regarding the level of trust between them. But regardless of head canon, the 2 are in cahoots, and she states that her cooperation was dependant on her ending up where she is after the cards fall as they do during high noon. THESE ARE ALL REASONS WE NEED DLC, DAMNIT. I want to know what happens. And while I have no doubt Reyes will return if Ryder is the protagonist in the next ME game, even that's still up in the air.
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Post by orchid on Aug 10, 2017 18:03:42 GMT
See, I don't really think Keema sees herself as a puppet. "My ass does more than just sit in this chair." Since this is all just speculation, anyway, I'm going to go on record again as saying that I really like the idea that Keema and Reyes are tight and that she's one of the very select few that actually knows him completely. I see that going both ways. He put her in charge because she should be in charge. The Nexus uprising was only months ago from the game start, wasn't it? (Somehow I think six months, but I can't remember.) It would require them to be a couple of those magical soul mate friends who you instantly connect with on a deep level, for the very private Reyes to completely reveal everything about himself to her so quickly. I personally detected, as I probably have paranoidly rambled before, that Reyes didn’t take Keema’s teasing at Sloane’s party good-naturedly, but seemed irritated by it, while Keema was amused and even slightly condescending… I think if they’re friends, it’s on a workplace friendship level, where there’s always that minute amount of reservation no matter what. But yeah, you’re probably right about their friendship being genuine. MEA is a big friendship-fest devoid of interpersonal conflicts in general, so I doubt they’d break the tone with Reyes and Keema. (I am the worst person, so I want bad things to happen in my games.) As for Keema being in charge – she isn’t, though? Reyes uses the words “be my front”, and all game material suggests the same. Keema IS a puppet, although a willing one. Instead of Sloane’s barely masked indifference, she’s more of a true advisor to Reyes and she really has a voice, but he is the one that’s in charge. Also Reyes seems like he enjoys micromanaging his businesses, as evidenced by him going to check Zia’s small potatoes interference in person instead of sending an agent to handle it, so I don’t think he lets Keema run too loose with even everyday matters. I know, I know – mostly speculation. But there’s not much else to discuss atm. Why yes, I think this is commonly agreed upon; Reyes is def a top. My uncharacteristically good pic of Reyes died too soon on the last page (rip), so here are two lesser others: Yes, she's too ambitious to be a mere puppet and he listens to her, to an extent at least. That I don’t buy. Despite their possible friendship, there really isn’t much for Keema to do if she wants more. Reyes asks if she wants to be the front, she can either agree or disagree… If the latter, Reyes can let her go, but the prudent thing would be to make permanently sure she never can reveal his secret, as cold as that would be. Keema is out of options, really. She may happily function as a mere front, but I think there can exist resentment that might or might not lead to her scheming some more. And Reyes is well established to be a greedy man. He doesn’t want the spotlight, but he absolutely wants the power. The problem could be that she doesn't want to share the power or they disagree about how things should go. It might happen but it would be the obvious idea for the continuation of the story. He should stay vigilant just in case. He introduces her as a friend, a really rare thing for him, they must have history. I'd like to learn how they actually met and formed the plan to replace Sloane. Share the power? She’s not in the position to ask for such sharing. She makes suggestions, that’s all. Keema’s under no illusion that she really rules the Port - even the wording is that Reyes "listens" to her, which isn't really all that much. If there’s something she really wants done and Reyes says no, she can’t do anything about it. The Collective listens to the Charlatan exclusively. She can be disposed at any time. Her only options are guile and betrayal, thus breaking the friendship no matter how good it is. Reyes can only hope that she’s happy enough to lounge on the throne flaunting her fake authority, and that the Angara she represents won’t convince her to make demands for more say in the Port’s decision making. As for the bolded part, I’m not sure that Keema is that integral at all to the initial forming of the Collective and Reyes' long term plans – she doesn’t join them even after the successful takeover. She helped in things like breaching the Outcast HQ, but on the whole it seems likely that she’s deliberately kept somewhat at distance for the sake of her public image’s integrity (beneficial also to her) and to shield Reyes' ultimate intentions from even her.* It’s more useful for Reyes if she’s apart from the Collective and a separate entity to negotiate with. I would assume Reyes only approached Keema after he had the Collective going at least as a moderate sized faction. The Codex says that “the Charlatan has been quietly amassing influence since the Hyperion arrived in Andromeda,” so only after Ryder has arrived on the scene. (Reyes is acting QUICKLY.) Keema made her own ambitions clear to Reyes, and he agreed to her terms (she gets to replace Sloane). But even when Ryder first speaks with her after the coup, there's also a demonstration of how limited her power is, as she tells she wants Kaetus dead, but the Charlatan doesn't. It's good she's satisfied enough to obey. *I think Reyes is not done yet! The Collective will grow to encompass far more than Kadara and some listening posts and small operations on other planets. He wants to be the next Shadow Broker or something equally big. Whoever said Death has to play chess anyway? Perhaps he’s just plain horrible at it (Hmm. now I wonder the odds Reyes is good at chess). Well, unless they explain the plot armor differently, I’m sticking with this as an explanation. The idea of Reyes and Death playing is somehow intriguing... and the shadier the game they choose the better, it fts the environment. On the other hand, the idea of Reyes modding his own character sheet is also priceless. It would explain why he’s so damn smug most of the time So, Morrrowind is really that good? I loved Oblivion and enjoyed the first half or so of my pt of Skyrim right before MEA came out, but I just couldn’t get my bearings in Morrowind, most of the time I wasn’t sure where I was headed and gave up the weird moment I realized I’d been running around Vivec like a headless chicken for at least an hour and was no closer to wherever I was supposed to be, which I had of course promptly forgotten by then... Well, I’ll need something new to play after MEA so perhaps I could consider another chance... Reyes and Death play Russian roulette… with Mr. Sniper Guy on stand-by. Because of course Reyes would cheat, no matter what the game. It has the highest quality of writing and quest design out of Bethesda’s games. The dev, Michael Kirkbride, who wrote the most memorable parts of lore (like the CHIM stuff) left after Morrowind. The games after MW are also simplified (removing levitation still boggles my mind), so you need to pay more attention in Morrowind; best attitude is to explore with the assumption that you’ll find a ton of new stuff while looking for some elusive quest marker. If you already own the game, there’s no harm in trying again, maybe after looking up some tips (e.g. join the House Telvanni, learn how to abuse the world). Morrowind was the first RPG I played, so I may be biased, but it keeps up on replays with only modest modding. Regarding the gunship thing, I was first reminded of Garrus’ recruitment mission in ME2 and my disappointment Shepard can’t play Kaetus with that gunship and adepting it to little shreds (but of course, Shepard can’t do all that biotic stuff, that’s for other characters and their coooool cutscenes ). That said, I don’t really thing Kaetus would attack that gunship unless severely pressed, he seems too rational for that. Cthulhu Keema is easy, she just pops in uninvited, says something villainous and joins the fray so that Ryder could be separated from the main fight for a while with some extra revelation on the side Eh, Shep and Kasumi destroy Hock’s gunship, the merc gunship attacking Garrus gets shot (or warped) down, then there’s another gunship on Omega that I usually nuke with Cain (WHY OH WHY don’t we have a Cain anymore, hmm?)… Now Kaetus unfortunately isn’t the PC so he’s disadvantaged, but he could try if he was mad enough, hehe. Cthulhu-Keema better not distract Ryder from protecting Reyes’ pretty face from getting hurt, otherwise I’d fume for the entire duration of her distraction monologue. I still think that Ryder’s bitterest enemy in the Collective would be the one who tells you all those times you need to stop maniacally pushing that button (any chance he’s a salarian? I can’t remember) Haa, yes, he’s a Salarian, in a tribute for the button on Sur-Kesh. As for Keema, I wonder if Reyes perhaps calls her a friend because he wants to keep certain appearance of that up... I don’t know why but she sets off all my "warning" flags on code red. Grates on my nerves. Gives me a bad feeling through and through. Leaving her in charge regardless how much of the puppet mode is engaged seems as clever as... hm... say, leaving Ming Xiao in charge of LA, if someone happens to see where I’m coming from. But perhaps I’m just paranoid. This. I think Reyes has her under control, however. Keema gives off a haughty air, e.g. how she thinks she’s so clever in seeing how much Reyes likes Ryder. Keema thinks she can read – and therefore manipulate – Reyes, and that she can tease however gently him about it (which display leaves Reyes cold). However, when it comes to actually important stuff and not just figuring out whom Reyes has the hots for, I believe Reyes can keep a lid on it, and that he has his sights on Keema at all times, should she start acting up. Edit: details in a way too long post
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Post by Zitrus on Aug 10, 2017 20:47:04 GMT
The Nexus uprising was only months ago from the game start, wasn't it? (Somehow I think six months, but I can't remember.) The exact time is never mentioned I think. The Nexus arrived 14 months ago. Then they had their trouble. The book says at one point that the scouts were sent out 10 weeks ago. And shortly after the uprising starts. Then the exiles had to find Kadara and there's some time needed to develop everything to the point how we find it. So at least 6 months I'd say. Does he ask her? She said it was one of her conditions. I wonder about the others. He must have wanted it, too, though. She could reveal his secret, stage a coup. Of course she would likely die for it in the end but the damage would have been done. I don't think she would do that, however, it's suicide and they seem to get along well for now. Unless she has to be the villain. I just don't think she just sits there. She must get something out of it. She likely has ideas for the future and when she says he listens to her it sounds like he takes her input into consideration. That's a little power she has even if she cannot make decisions on her own. Who will be the face if she is disposed of because she's too much trouble? Someone else takes the place and the people start to ask even more questions. Some citizens already suspect the Collective pull the strings. Of course, they could still do it, maybe even acknowledge they run the show, some people might revolt. No, I don't think she helped much or at all to form the Collective but at some point they talked about the plan. They must have known each other a while before he told her who he really is and trusted her enough. I wonder who was she before the exiles showed up. The leaders on Aya don't seem to know her from before. Yes, that's pretty clear he wants more. He probably wants to have his network across all of Helius (and beyond if we ever leave the cluster).
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Post by orchid on Aug 10, 2017 21:30:00 GMT
Does he ask her? She said it was one of her conditions. I wonder about the others. He must have wanted it, too, though. She could reveal his secret, stage a coup. Of course she would likely die for it in the end but the damage would have been done. I don't think she would do that, however, it's suicide and they seem to get along well for now. Unless she has to be the villain. It was her condition, but your wording about “sharing power” and “too ambitious to be a mere puppet” made it sound like more than her role as an advisor that we observe in the game. That’s what I was talking about, how her role is not that of an actual ruler. I think “puppet” is perfectly fine term for her, even if it’s not flattering to neither her nor Reyes - it's perfect to illustrate Reyes' role as the shadowy Grey Eminence that he is. It’s again largely semantics, since we all agree on the (meager) facts that the game gives us. For a coup, she’d have what, some angara that she previously has moved to support the Collective? And by now the Collective has delivered upon their promise of removing Sloane, so a good deal of the populace is satisfied. The muscle is squarely on the Collective’s side. Keema wouldn’t commit this kind of suicide out of pettiness, that’s absolutely true. On that subject I repeat: it’s fortunate that she seems happy to follow Reyes’ lead. Reyes could royally screw her over, now that he got what he wanted from her. I think she considers it a significant upgrade from Sloane’s rule. However, it’s still a far shot from a Port ruled by the Angara… Was she once a politician there? A gang leader of her own? Weren’t Kadara Angarans already sort of shady bunch, staying aside from the brave war for survival? Whatever she was before the Kett (unless she born under Kett occupation), she emerged a community leader as an envoy to Sloane. Surely she would eventually hanker after real, official say in the governance instead of just advising, and since we all agree she’s an ambitious sort, it may yet start to gnaw at her. But maybe Reyes can smooth such scruples away with his charm. I just don't think she just sits there. She must get something out of it. She likely has ideas for the future and when she says he listens to her it sounds like he takes her input into consideration. That's a little power she has even if she cannot make decisions on her own. Who will be the face if she is disposed of because she's too much trouble? Someone else takes the place and the people start to ask even more questions. Some citizens already suspect the Collective pull the strings. Of course, they could still do it, maybe even acknowledge they run the show, some people might revolt. No, I don't think she helped much or at all to form the Collective but at some point they talked about the plan. They must have known each other a while before he told her who he really is and trusted her enough. I wonder who was she before the exiles showed up. The leaders on Aya don't seem to know her from before. I think everyone knows the Collective is in power. They stormed the Port, drove the Outcasts away and parade around in their insigniaed ( what's the correct word here? me no english) armor. Even the Nexus news spoke about the Collective taking over, right? Like people know the Collective now holds the Port and that they have reached an agreement with the non-gang civilians (mostly angara, who are represented by Keema) and the Initiative (represented by the Pathfinder). People know that Keema and the Charlatan have an arrangement that gives the angara more power than they had before, but we know that this power is largely illusory, as Keema is a front, as Reyes confides in Ryder. It’s only the specifics that are gossiped about, e.g. if Keema’s actually the Charlatan. Even the Nexus seems to know that their deal about the Outpost is purely made with the Charlatan. Ryder certainly didn’t ask for Keema’s permission nor did Reyes invite her to join in his negotiation with Ryder. If Keema needed to be dealt with (and let’s face, this is exactly the sort of quiet, clean removal that they are good at), there’d be another Angara. And maybe that one would be even more of a puppet (some member the Collective, with much clearer obedience to the Charlatan and no wriggle room at all). One thing I’ve realized is that when Sloane gets saved by Ryder, Keema still remains - unless Sloane fires her, that is, considering how much more stable the Outcasts’ position just has become. Does she make any appearance in that case? Keema most likely is unscrupulous and may cut Reyes off, but she might also help him. If there’s any hope for Reyes in staying afloat (recouping his losses, as he wishes), Keema’s support and sources just might be indispensable. Not sure if it would be enough, since losing his anonymity is a big loss and Reyes may not know how to deal with that.
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Post by Zitrus on Aug 11, 2017 13:52:12 GMT
I think she considers it a significant upgrade from Sloane’s rule. However, it’s still a far shot from a Port ruled by the Angara… Was she once a politician there? A gang leader of her own? Weren’t Kadara Angarans already sort of shady bunch, staying aside from the brave war for survival? Whatever she was before the Kett (unless she born under Kett occupation), she emerged a community leader as an envoy to Sloane. Surely she would eventually hanker after real, official say in the governance instead of just advising, and since we all agree she’s an ambitious sort, it may yet start to gnaw at her. But maybe Reyes can smooth such scruples away with his charm. Yes, they are not liked because they don't help the resistance and rather stay on Kadara and see it as their primary concern than help Aya. Maybe he can involve her a bit more in the decision making or pretend to do so. Could be enough for a while. I don't know, branded? I know what you mean. Nexus news are too well connected lol, they even know Sloane was killed by a sniper, something that's still debated by the citizens of the Port. There's much discussion among the populace if the Collective has Keema in their pocket or vice versa. That's true, the specifics are of course only known to the inner circle and the Nexus officials never mention Keema, they know who's in charge. It's still laughable that everyone keeps Aya in the dark . Yes and then people would wonder what happened to her maybe. Putting Keema in charge for show is a smart move actually, if a bit more risky than some Collective agent. Makes it seem more legitimate, she's already known to the people. Keema doesn't appear nor is she mentioned again if Sloane wins. You can actually play through without meeting her at all if you skip the party. I think she would still want the Outcasts off the planet so he might be her best bet. I'm not sure if she stays. Sloane becomes a bit paranoid and looks for Collective supporters. This could be dangerous for Keema. Or she's totally smooth and bides her time until Reyes tries again.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Aug 11, 2017 16:50:40 GMT
Why yes, I think this is commonly agreed upon; Reyes is def a top. My uncharacteristically good pic of Reyes died too soon on the last page (rip), so here are two lesser others: It's not dead, it's just not immediately visible atm Reyes and Death play Russian roulette… with Mr. Sniper Guy on stand-by. Because of course Reyes would cheat, no matter what the game. It has the highest quality of writing and quest design out of Bethesda’s games. The dev, Michael Kirkbride, who wrote the most memorable parts of lore (like the CHIM stuff) left after Morrowind. The games after MW are also simplified (removing levitation still boggles my mind), so you need to pay more attention in Morrowind; best attitude is to explore with the assumption that you’ll find a ton of new stuff while looking for some elusive quest marker. If you already own the game, there’s no harm in trying again, maybe after looking up some tips (e.g. join the House Telvanni, learn how to abuse the world). Morrowind was the first RPG I played, so I may be biased, but it keeps up on replays with only modest modding. No doubt about that. It would be lame to win one’s immortality through boring methods like skill. And I guess Reyes can cheat at a game even before he knows the rules anyway. But wouldn't Russian roulette be a little unfair with Death being probably immortal and all? (I suppose Reyes has not yet modded his character sheet yet). But, well, perhaps with all those drinks and Death going nuts he can't win for the life? of his against Reyes (Blackjack might be cool for them to play too) rationality goes away and shit goes down It might actually be cool if Reyes knew Mr Sniper guy back in the Milky way. Would explain the trust in life and death takeover missions, despite his lack of professionalism. Ooo, quality writing always gets me, actual level of gameplay be damned. Running like an idiot around Morrowind might get one more chance, this time with a bit less moronic running around, that would be nice. I have a similarly biased first RPG feeling for a game that I still consider one of the best out there (VtMB) so that's fine. Unimpressive games don’t leave one with biased feelings.
Eh, Shep and Kasumi destroy Hock’s gunship, the merc gunship attacking Garrus gets shot (or warped) down, then there’s another gunship on Omega that I usually nuke with Cain (WHY OH WHY don’t we have a Cain anymore, hmm?)… Now Kaetus unfortunately isn’t the PC so he’s disadvantaged, but he could try if he was mad enough, hehe. Cthulhu-Keema better not distract Ryder from protecting Reyes’ pretty face from getting hurt, otherwise I’d fume for the entire duration of her distraction monologue. Kasumi gets a coool cutscene, the merc gunship is destroyed by Commander Shepard personally (how could it survive??) and that one on Omega probably has Aria around as a bonus opponent, so double no chance. Kaetus’ odds are singificantly lower as he will probably get none of that On the positive side, Cthulhu Keema can’t mangle Reyes if it’s too busy chasing Ryder around or talking villainously about it’s plans to take over the universe... between a angry Turian and an ancient cthulhu thing that just crawled out of an Angara, I’d say the latter has more potential of doing irreparable damage...
This. I think Reyes has her under control, however. Keema gives off a haughty air, e.g. how she thinks she’s so clever in seeing how much Reyes likes Ryder. Keema thinks she can read – and therefore manipulate – Reyes, and that she can tease however gently him about it (which display leaves Reyes cold). However, when it comes to actually important stuff and not just figuring out whom Reyes has the hots for, I believe Reyes can keep a lid on it, and that he has his sights on Keema at all times, should she start acting up. This back at you I think whatever Keema has to say about Reyes and Ryder is her own inference more than anything. Can’t really imagine Reyes telling stuff like that to anyone (I’d say perhaps save for Mr Sniper guy, but that one is a bit of a blabbermouth so I guess not). Similarly, while you’re probably right about the all-encompassing Heleus friend-fest, I find it suspicious that Reyes chooses to introduce Keema as his friend. That seems way too much like something one does for show. Like saying "Look, I’m totally allied with this person, why would anyone doubt that?", thinking "yep, let everyone believe that. Nice work, me."
Keema most likely is unscrupulous and may cut Reyes off, but she might also help him. If there’s any hope for Reyes in staying afloat (recouping his losses, as he wishes), Keema’s support and sources just might be indispensable. Not sure if it would be enough, since losing his anonymity is a big loss and Reyes may not know how to deal with that. That’s an interesting one. Also one that would shuffle the balance of power between them considerably, especially if you consider their friendship one made of convenience of it exists at all. I wonder in what position it would leave Keema should what some people on the other threads suggested come to pass- that by the next time we see Kadara, the choice will be washed away by Reyes having taken over anyway. The "front person" would probably have to get much more say....
That's true, the specifics are of course only known to the inner circle and the Nexus officials never mention Keema, they know who's in charge. It's still laughable that everyone keeps Aya in the dark . Yes and then people would wonder what happened to her maybe. Putting Keema in charge for show is a smart move actually, if a bit more risky than some Collective agent. Makes it seem more legitimate, she's already known to the people. People of Aya- the lost ones who seriously need some news. Someone should start a charity on their behalf (Actually, I hope not. They’re much more fun like this. )
I actually wonder how exactly it is that Keema is known. As an oportunist politician that sold the Port out or one that does the best for her people? Does she have some firepower under her command to actually stage a coup if she wanted to? Do the local angara actually support her? Nobody ever says in the game... Even though it may be right that she’s boxed in all she can do is just go with the flow right after High noon, I’m not sure how long that will last. She might reinforce her power, get more suporters, start making demands... after all, her ass does far more than occupy the chair and that seems dangerously close to claiming that being someone’s front is not exactly the endgoal for her. lYep, there’s the possibility that Collective monitors all possible openings carefully. Or that Keema is simply not smart enough to catch Reyes unawares. But I’d still say he is sitting on a bomb with her around and if there’s anything to be learned from Sloane’s fate it’s that even if you think you have it all under control, you might absolutely not. (Unless you have enough charm to talk out anything, perhaps? ) Hehe, it would actually be very funny if Keema were revealed as the goody two shoes savior of all the innocent in Heleus. And now I will perform some necromancy for the hell of it and all those chaotic evil points
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Post by orchid on Aug 11, 2017 21:09:59 GMT
Nexus news are too well connected lol, they even know Sloane was killed by a sniper, something that's still debated by the citizens of the Port. There's much discussion among the populace if the Collective has Keema in their pocket or vice versa. -- Keema doesn't appear nor is she mentioned again if Sloane wins. You can actually play through without meeting her at all if you skip the party. I think she would still want the Outcasts off the planet so he might be her best bet. I'm not sure if she stays. Sloane becomes a bit paranoid and looks for Collective supporters. This could be dangerous for Keema. Or she's totally smooth and bides her time until Reyes tries again. Maybe Mr. Sniper Guy just can’t keep his mouth shut. “Hey Kaetus! Did ya know the Pathfinder was there when I shot Kelly! I saw he saw me, but he did nothing! How ‘bout that, bud?” Later: “Excuse me, miss reporter, Keri is it? I’m the man that got the killshot on Sloane, want to make a featurette for your show?” Maybe he’s Reyes’ uncle or something. Seriously though, I don’t see how it would benefit Reyes to deliberately circulate rumors about the sniper, so the source’s either his team, Ryder or Ryder’s team. Or Ryder told Addison dutifully, and then Addison told Tann, and so on. (It’s in truth the devs not caring all that much.) You can skip the party? What does Reyes say? Oh no, now I’m imagining Reyes all dejected, but attempting to act like it’s nothing. Like when you turn Garrus away at the ME2 romance scene and he just slumps down – never did it myself, but seeing a video of it still haunts my soul. Also how is Keema handled later if you don’t go to the party? I.e. Reyes mentioning her being his front and meeting her on the throne? This back at you I think whatever Keema has to say about Reyes and Ryder is her own inference more than anything. Can’t really imagine Reyes telling stuff like that to anyone (I’d say perhaps save for Mr Sniper guy, but that one is a bit of a blabbermouth so I guess not). Similarly, while you’re probably right about the all-encompassing Heleus friend-fest, I find it suspicious that Reyes chooses to introduce Keema as his friend. That seems way too much like something one does for show. Like saying "Look, I’m totally allied with this person, why would anyone doubt that?", thinking "yep, let everyone believe that. Nice work, me."
And now I’m imagining Reyes confiding his love troubles to Mr. Sniper Guy who’s listening solemnly. But yes, I too got the impression that Reyes kept telling Keema about what he’s done with the Pathfinder, what his next move was going to be and what his impressions were, and she could tell that he’s crushing on Ryder. Like you say, Reyes doesn’t really seem the type to actually gossip about his love life. That’s an interesting one. Also one that would shuffle the balance of power between them considerably, especially if you consider their friendship one made of convenience of it exists at all. I wonder in what position it would leave Keema should what some people on the other threads suggested come to pass- that by the next time we see Kadara, the choice will be washed away by Reyes having taken over anyway. The "front person" would probably have to get much more say....
Yea Keema doesn’t strike me as one to help others out of charity. If she wanted to aid Reyes, he’d still have to be able to repay in one way or other. With Ryder allying themselves with Sloane, it might just not be opportune enough for Keema to keep on helping Reyes. It would definitely be risking her life. If there were future Andromeda games, I imagine they’d want an organization like the Collective to exist in any case, as a vague boogeyman if nothing else. Not sure how they’d go about involving them in quest design without making those who chose Sloane mad about having to deal with Reyes again, apart from major quest line with divergent paths. Not to mention that the representation would have to be vastly different for Reyes’ allies. I actually wonder how exactly it is that Keema is known. As an oportunist politician that sold the Port out or one that does the best for her people? Does she have some firepower under her command to actually stage a coup if she wanted to? Do the local angara actually support her? Nobody ever says in the game...
I’d like to know that too. I get the impression that the local Angara are just glad there’s one of them sitting on the throne, which is less about her personally... As for the firepower, all of that that we see is securely held by the Collective. I doubt Sloane allowed anybody but the Outcasts to carry firearms or the Angara to have their own militia (Sloane was “the protector” of the Port, as they said). After the takeover, it’s the Collective that carries weapons and the Port still seems to be a no-weapons-zone. Not sure about Reyes’ policy, but I doubt he’d allow other groups to rival the Collective’s power in any way. After the coup, the trade is now securely in the Charlatan’s hands, so trying to smuggle, say, weapons for another coup under his nose would be insanely hard. Keema would have to outwit the master smuggler himself. Even though it may be right that she’s boxed in all she can do is just go with the flow right after High noon, I’m not sure how long that will last. She might reinforce her power, get more suporters, start making demands... after all, her ass does far more than occupy the chair and that seems dangerously close to claiming that being someone’s front is not exactly the endgoal for her. lYep, there’s the possibility that Collective monitors all possible openings carefully. Or that Keema is simply not smart enough to catch Reyes unawares. But I’d still say he is sitting on a bomb with her around and if there’s anything to be learned from Sloane’s fate it’s that even if you think you have it all under control, you might absolutely not. (Unless you have enough charm to talk out anything, perhaps? )
Right, schemers will scheme. I’ve read enough history and Shakespeare to expect further trouble in Kadara port. This is why Reyes was wise to not initiate Keema into the Collective after the takeover. She doesn’t have all the access the operatives do and she’s not part of the command structure, so not even the lowliest recruits answer to her. Reyes also has the undeniable strength of having the Player Character on his side, unless there’s more divergence to the paths you can choose (doubtful). The Initiative has a good alliance with Reyes, so they’ll happily support him. Keema and her potential disgruntled Angara could go to Aya – but they’ve refused to help Aya against Kett, while Reyes directly aided the Resistance (clever of him also from this angle). So, the Roekaar? Maybe, but the Roekaar are easy to stomp out. And now I will perform some necromancy for the hell of it and all those chaotic evil points
Aww, it lives. ^-^ Very sweet of you. How is your playthrough going? I want to see your ReShaded ultra-fine screencaps of Kadara and Reyes. Also whatever else would happen in the hypothetical DLC, it’d better include Ryder and Reyes making those lovey-dovey eyes at each other. Also Ryder being all about Reyes while he low-key does something shifty and questionable. The cutest couple in Heleus, no matter what anybody says. Ooo, quality writing always gets me, actual level of gameplay be damned. Running like an idiot around Morrowind might get one more chance, this time with a bit less moronic running around, that would be nice. I have a similarly biased first RPG feeling for a game that I still consider one of the best out there (VtMB) so that's fine. Unimpressive games don’t leave one with biased feelings.
I hope you’ll give it a go. :smiles: Ask me if there’s any MW questions you might have.
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Post by Zitrus on Aug 12, 2017 18:52:12 GMT
Maybe Mr. Sniper Guy just can’t keep his mouth shut. “Hey Kaetus! Did ya know the Pathfinder was there when I shot Kelly! I saw he saw me, but he did nothing! How ‘bout that, bud?” Later: “Excuse me, miss reporter, Keri is it? I’m the man that got the killshot on Sloane, want to make a featurette for your show?” Lol . HNS presents "Quiet only behind the scope". Meet the man who helped shape Kadara's future. Yes you can, the quest finishes after the holo call. He plays it cool when he's rejected. Ryder: [I'll pass.] I'm too busy, Reyes. You'll have to make do without me. Reyes: Your call. Don't work too hard, Ryder. The talks with Reyes and Keema afterwards are hardly different. Tartarus: Reyes: A friend of mine - Keema Dohrgun - has agreed to be my front. HQ: Keema: You must be the Pathfinder. I've heard a lot about you. Ryder: [You're not Reyes...] Uh... who are you? Keema: [Chuckles.] Keema Dohrgun. The Charlatan is our mutual friend. We agreed it would be mutually beneficial if I was the face of Kadara Port. or Ryder: [From Reyes, no doubt.] From the Charlatan I take it. Keema: We agreed it would be mutually beneficial if I was the face of Kadara Port. And that's all, everything else is the same. Yes, he just talked a lot about Ryder, which made her realize he took a liking. That's why she says Ryder is all he talks about lately but only if they flirted enough. I actually wonder how exactly it is that Keema is known. As an oportunist politician that sold the Port out or one that does the best for her people? Does she have some firepower under her command to actually stage a coup if she wanted to? Do the local angara actually support her? Nobody ever says in the game...
Nobody wonders who she is or that she's "ruling" now, so I assume they know her. I think two NPCs talk about how she was unable to help when the kett arrived so I suppose she was some kind of community representative before. The Roekaar are disliked by everyone, Aya and the Resistance as well as the AI and exiles. It would be a bad choice.
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Post by tehprincessj on Aug 12, 2017 23:37:45 GMT
Why yes, I think this is commonly agreed upon; Reyes is def a top. LOL, yassss. Also, again: Because that screenie is just that good. Also: orchid , I've finished that hot springs skinny dipping fic! I was planning to adapt a version of it with Scott instead of Sara for you, but my m/m sexy time fic skills are rusty, I haven't written anything like that since DA2 (pronouns are actually a big issue with that for me, LOL). Anyhow, don't feel obligated to read it just because it was your prompt. Fair warning to everyone else, smut-filled fic is rather plotless and smut-filled. Feel free to skip it if that's not your thing. archiveofourown.org/works/11155875/chapters/26578497
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Aug 13, 2017 7:54:06 GMT
Maybe Mr. Sniper Guy just can’t keep his mouth shut. “Hey Kaetus! Did ya know the Pathfinder was there when I shot Kelly! I saw he saw me, but he did nothing! How ‘bout that, bud?” Later: “Excuse me, miss reporter, Keri is it? I’m the man that got the killshot on Sloane, want to make a featurette for your show?” Lol . HNS presents "Quiet only behind the scope". Meet the man who helped shape Kadara's future. Hehe, aka Get all the info you need about Heleus' shadiest, secret-dependant spy/information broker operation from a high-ranking insider. Sounds legit. Fun, too And now I’m imagining Reyes confiding his love troubles to Mr. Sniper Guy who’s listening solemnly. In light of his inability to keep his mouth shut, I'd be seriously worried about that focused sympathetic face Yes, he just talked a lot about Ryder, which made her realize he took a liking. That's why she says Ryder is all he talks about lately but only if they flirted enough. Yaay, really? Cute. (Also kinda funny, imagining Reyes talking to Keema about Ryder's professionalism ). I suppose she says nothing otherwise? Yea Keema doesn’t strike me as one to help others out of charity. If she wanted to aid Reyes, he’d still have to be able to repay in one way or other. With Ryder allying themselves with Sloane, it might just not be opportune enough for Keema to keep on helping Reyes. It would definitely be risking her life. If there were future Andromeda games, I imagine they’d want an organization like the Collective to exist in any case, as a vague boogeyman if nothing else. Not sure how they’d go about involving them in quest design without making those who chose Sloane mad about having to deal with Reyes again, apart from major quest line with divergent paths. Not to mention that the representation would have to be vastly different for Reyes’ allies. If she helped him enough, he would hopefully be able to repay.. probably with what he hints at doing in all those emails which is removing the Outcasts. Somebody already said here that he’s her best chance at that since no one else is very likely to bother. It might be dangerous, even too dangerous with Sloane getting all paranoid but Keema can’t probably hope to undermine her by herself. Where she’d take the means to support Reyes is quite another question, one that ties to what kind of power Keema really represents. I guess she/Reyes could always turn to the cthulhu things or some such but then they’d probably end up Cerberus 2.0, which would be lame. *rant incoming* The plot armor says it quite clearly, Reyes is there to stay... and people bitch about everything these days which is probably why nobody does any interesting wild wasteland stuff in games anymore.. because everyone is so fucking entitled to their rights and might get offended and whatnot. The high noon choice is just in favor of a character of against him.. it’s not a want/don’t want an inconsequential character around DAI choice. Is it right there is no such choice? Well, it’s not there. Hopefully for a reason. If the character has a part to to play, let them. If one happens to dislike them, opportunities for some hate in one’s RP, no big deal. Nobody wonders who she is or that she's "ruling" now, so I assume they know her. I think two NPCs talk about how she was unable to help when the kett arrived so I suppose she was some kind of community representative before. Yep, she must’ve been known, but with all that angara displeasure over being taken over by the Outcasts the question is more about the amount of respect she managed to keep with her people. As the representative (how did she get that position in the first place?) she was probably mostly ignored by Sloane so her people couldn’t have gained much from it... Even if she were attempting to get more power in her position to actually be able to help the angara, some might still grumble and call her an opportunist who’s out for her own power first, especially if she already fucked up when the kett came. Probably they would still welcome one of their own on the throne, probably she might be the only one even available for the position but I really wonder whether Keema wouldn’t be only seen as some kind of lesser evil. I’d like to know that too. I get the impression that the local Angara are just glad there’s one of them sitting on the throne, which is less about her personally... As for the firepower, all of that that we see is securely held by the Collective. I doubt Sloane allowed anybody but the Outcasts to carry firearms or the Angara to have their own militia (Sloane was “the protector” of the Port, as they said). After the takeover, it’s the Collective that carries weapons and the Port still seems to be a no-weapons-zone. Not sure about Reyes’ policy, but I doubt he’d allow other groups to rival the Collective’s power in any way. After the coup, the trade is now securely in the Charlatan’s hands, so trying to smuggle, say, weapons for another coup under his nose would be insanely hard. Keema would have to outwit the master smuggler himself. True to this too, but now it seems there’s Keema and what else? She has almost no resources, limited options, questionable support unless stated otherwise by some higher power...If anyone on Kadara would happen to have a little political savvy it would be very obvious who’s in whose pocket, unless the majority believe her to be the Charlatan. The state of Denmark has nothing on the Port of Kadara, as I hope we will yet get to see Aww, it lives. ^-^ Very sweet of you. How is your playthrough going? I want to see your ReShaded ultra-fine screencaps of Kadara and Reyes. Also whatever else would happen in the hypothetical DLC, it’d better include Ryder and Reyes making those lovey-dovey eyes at each other. Also Ryder being all about Reyes while he low-key does something shifty and questionable. The cutest couple in Heleus, no matter what anybody says. I hope you’ll give it a go. :smiles: Ask me if there’s any MW questions you might have. Well, I’ve just returned from my seaside week, so still before Voeld. When I get to Kadara I’ll make some screens for sure, quality not guaranteed though Lol, that would be cute. I would do with Ryder trying to stifle her maniacal chuckling while Reyes does something questionable in the background (and failing hard, there goes the pathfinder...). As for whatever else, well there are divergent paths, gunships and a big revelation of a new cthulhu thing from the black hole, some middle part with characters doing questionable stuff for the hell of it, if it ends with a romance scene it might make for a very good DLC. (On the other hand, the Reyes vs Kaetus match is still left undecided... errr, everyone fights cthulhu in the end? cthulhu thing eats Sloane, everyone lets the antagonist shit slide afterwards? ) I just might do that ... in both cases
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Post by orchid on Aug 13, 2017 8:50:05 GMT
Also, again: Because that screenie is just that good. Thanks! lol it’s hard to not take a million pics of Reyes, when he’s so beautiful, glad to see comments. :3 Also: orchid , I've finished that hot springs skinny dipping fic! I was planning to adapt a version of it with Scott instead of Sara for you, but my m/m sexy time fic skills are rusty, I haven't written anything like that since DA2 (pronouns are actually a big issue with that for me, LOL). Anyhow, don't feel obligated to read it just because it was your prompt. Fair warning to everyone else, smut-filled fic is rather plotless and smut-filled. Feel free to skip it if that's not your thing. archiveofourown.org/works/11155875/chapters/26578497 *under breath* No Scott? aw dammit Seriously though this was great. I don’t usually read F/M fics, but your use of Reyes’ perspective in these pieces makes them relatable somehow, if that makes any sense. Also you’re a good storyteller and Reyes is in character, so what’s not to love? And there’s 15 of these? Later I’ll need to take a glance at all the ones I’ve missed. I left kudos too at the website. Anyway, I suppose swimming in Kadara pools wouldn’t canonically even suit Scott, since he announces that he never even liked swimming when SAM tells that Kadara water is toxic. Unless Reyes taught him to swim, lol… Actually, that’s a cute idea. (I remember a good Garrus/m!Shep fic where Shep took a highly wary Garrus for a swim float.) What does Sara say there, btw? Next up, Reyes’ space shuttle with him and Ryder inside, idling in some quiet, dark, beautiful corner of Heleus with a view of some dazzling nebula?
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Post by orchid on Aug 13, 2017 10:00:17 GMT
Zitrus Thanks! You should get a custom title about your public service as the n:o 1 information provider to all of us. "Kadara Information Broker", maybe? Good that going to the party isn’t a but thou must situation. Makes all the complaints of Reyes being forced upon us even more baseless, coincidentally. And now I’m imagining Reyes confiding his love troubles to Mr. Sniper Guy who’s listening solemnly. In light of his inability to keep his mouth shut, I'd be seriously worried about that focused sympathetic face Now, surely he knows to keep it quiet when it comes to sensitive stuff like Reyes’ love affairs. I assume he’s the hero du jour in Collective circles, having gotten to take the shot on Sloane. Since they can’t fête the Charlatan in person, they’re all buying rounds of drinks to be guy they know was selected to do the honors. All they need to know is that Mr. Sniper Guy is the Charlatan’s top sniper, and that’s enough for the rumors to start. All he needs to do is smile and nod enigmatically. (Also kinda funny, imagining Reyes talking to Keema about Ryder's professionalism ) Haha, yes, I wonder how that came up. Ryder maybe just comes across as very proper and clean in Kadara’s environment, even if we pick the casual dialogue. Where she’d take the means to support Reyes is quite another question, one that ties to what kind of power Keema really represents. I guess she/Reyes could always turn to the cthulhu things or some such but then they’d probably end up Cerberus 2.0, which would be lame. True, Keema doesn’t have any such resources of her own, which is probably why she allied herself with the Collective to begin with. She might try to start undermining the Outcasts, but that’d be very risky. Cerberus 2.0 would be the worst fate for the Collective; better if Reyes and they died out entirely. *rant incoming* The plot armor says it quite clearly, Reyes is there to stay... and people bitch about everything these days which is probably why nobody does any interesting wild wasteland stuff in games anymore.. because everyone is so fucking entitled to their rights and might get offended and whatnot. The high noon choice is just in favor of a character of against him.. it’s not a want/don’t want an inconsequential character around DAI choice. Is it right there is no such choice? Well, it’s not there. Hopefully for a reason. If the character has a part to to play, let them. If one happens to dislike them, opportunities for some hate in one’s RP, no big deal. Yeah, there are plenty of options for Ryder to make it known that they’re not a friend of Reyes. Compare it to writer’s pet Aria, to whose idiotic “Don’t fuck with Aria” line you can only answer with two equally fawning options, instead of “lol ok” which is the reply she’d deserve. You can say no to Reyes in a million different places and then you can shoot at him and essentially doom him. And if you side with him, you can still tell him that it’s a business deal and you’re no friend of him and won’t shake his hand. It’s ridiculous to complain that he might yet make an appearance. I wonder how much of the complaints are just because he’s a plot-significant human male and not a blue sex alien. As for Wild Wasteland stuff, Obsidian keeps on being Obsidian. *impatiently keeps checking Steam for Bastard’s Wound*Yep, she must’ve been known, but with all that angara displeasure over being taken over by the Outcasts the question is more about the amount of respect she managed to keep with her people. As the representative (how did she get that position in the first place?) she was probably mostly ignored by Sloane so her people couldn’t have gained much from it... Even if she were attempting to get more power in her position to actually be able to help the angara, some might still grumble and call her an opportunist who’s out for her own power first, especially if she already fucked up when the kett came. Probably they would still welcome one of their own on the throne, probably she might be the only one even available for the position but I really wonder whether Keema wouldn’t be only seen as some kind of lesser evil. Maybe most Angara on Kadara are fine with her being an opportunist. They seem a ruthless bunch on the whole, like those that refused to share their water with Milky Way exiles. I guess Keema spoke her way into getting her position, being brash enough to find a footing with Sloane, with a similar skillset as Reyes (masterful way with words and full of ambition). I think it would require some larger cluster-wide Angaran anti-Milky Way movement beyond Kadara that they could join, for any disgruntled locals to mount any meaningful resistance to whichever human that holds the Port, especially considering the Initiative support. As for whatever else, well there are divergent paths, gunships and a big revelation of a new cthulhu thing from the black hole, some middle part with characters doing questionable stuff for the hell of it, if it ends with a romance scene it might make for a very good DLC. Hehe Reyes would absolutely find a way to make some profit or power grabs in the middle of it all. (On the other hand, the Reyes vs Kaetus match is still left undecided... errr, everyone fights cthulhu in the end? cthulhu thing eats Sloane, everyone lets the antagonist shit slide afterwards? ) Well, okay, see it goes like this. Now the gunships in the OT got destroyed, because of Shepard the Player Character, right? So it comes down to the High Noon choice. If Kaetus has Ryder to help him, they manage to take Reyes’ gunship down - maybe Kaetus gets a cutscene where he shoots clean through the windshield straight between Reyes’ eyes. Then you can get a snide congratulation from Sloane who thanks you for being an obedient little lapdog, and you go on to kill Keema-Cthulhu to save Kadara with her and Kaetus. If Ryder is riding shotgun in Reyes’ ship, Reyes does some amazing maneuvering to kill Kaetus’ squad with plasma from the ship's exhaust pipes or whatever, and Ryder is manning the weapon controls and explodes Kaetus into giblets with a deftly-guided missile. (Poor Kaetus, I hate to see Turians suffer… But it won’t do to threaten the prettiest man in Heleus.) Then they fly to the black hole in Reyes’ space ship and destroy the evil thing and afterwards have an intimate, starlit moment in some peaceful corner of space, as previously envisioned.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Aug 13, 2017 11:29:04 GMT
Zitrus Thanks! You should get a custom title about your public service as the n:o 1 information provider to all of us. "Kadara Information Broker", maybe? I concur. Or perhaps "keeper of all scenarios" Oh, I accidentally found a "quote" button.. something new every day, huh (Also kinda funny, imagining Reyes talking to Keema about Ryder's professionalism ) Haha, yes, I wonder how that came up. Ryder maybe just comes across as very proper and clean in Kadara’s environment, even if we pick the casual dialogue. According to Keema he’s mentioned it, and clean and proper is not exactly professionalism (playing with words, yeah), it’s just... don’t know, the clear benefit of not being an exile and having that top of the line ship with a shower (but hey, some people may have not so top of the line ships with guns on them so who’s better off now? ). I must confess that first time I heard that line, I chuckled at the idea of Reyes telling that to Keema with that exact wording, as in "s/he’s so professional all the time" being like . Which has of course been refuted as Reyes is not likely to gossip his love life with anyone but Mr. Sniper guy, who can hopefully keep at least some really important secrets... (Unless of course "Hey, Keema, guess what I just heard... you wouldn't believe this shit about Reyes and the pathfinder!) Maybe most Angara on Kadara are fine with her being an opportunist. They seem a ruthless bunch on the whole, like those that refused to share their water with Milky Way exiles. I guess Keema spoke her way into getting her position, being brash enough to find a footing with Sloane, with a similar skillset as Reyes ( masterful way with words and full of ambition). I think it would require some larger cluster-wide Angaran anti-Milky Way movement beyond Kadara that they could join, for any disgruntled locals to mount any meaningful resistance to whichever human that holds the Port, especially considering the Initiative support. Well, they are probably sort of shady themselves. Which is why they might have even more selfish interests and be the worse to handle for it, that might not be helping at all. Hmm, if you consider Keema could just be the worst of them (or the best schemer), the paranoia is well grounded. Especially with the bold part in her repertoire. Or the kett, maybe?.. an idiotic move for sure, but the bony shits might do something like that, they are rumored to be quite deceitful in the beginning.. or when they are kicked across the cluster. If they happened to think they would take what they need from and outsmart them in the long run (bold, ambitious and stuff) and perhaps pulled it off... Now, surely he knows to keep it quiet when it comes to sensitive stuff like Reyes’ love affairs. I assume he’s the hero du jour in Collective circles, having gotten to take the shot on Sloane. Since they can’t fête the Charlatan in person, they’re all buying rounds of drinks to be guy they know was selected to do the honors. All they need to know is that Mr. Sniper Guy is the Charlatan’s top sniper, and that’s enough for the rumors to start. All he needs to do is smile and nod enigmatically. One would suspect as much, yeah. But look at how sensitive stuff like Reyes’ power grabs and the safety of his allies in that matter is handled. Hmm, maybe he just wanted the drinks and honors because he was the one, though? I’m not sure if the Collective doesn’t operate on the cell basis with everyone knowing his closest associates and the representative only... Yeah, there are plenty of options for Ryder to make it known that they’re not a friend of Reyes. Compare it to writer’s pet Aria, to whose idiotic “Don’t fuck with Aria” line you can only answer with two equally fawning options, instead of “lol ok” which is the reply she’d deserve. You can say no to Reyes in a million different places and then you can shoot at him and essentially doom him. And if you side with him, you can still tell him that it’s a business deal and you’re no friend of him and won’t shake his hand. It’s ridiculous to complain that he might yet make an appearance. I wonder how much of the complaints are just because he’s a plot-significant human male and not a blue sex alien. This and this only, I’m afraid. He’s not there for so much time (too little, most of us here would say) and I can’t remember any other character in the game you have so many opportunities to be unfriendly to. If youcorrelate this with continued presence, it’s kinda ridiculous. You can’t even mildly scold Liara when she starts to act like a bitch in the Thessia mission after three games of constant Liara. Or throw Miranda out of the airlock for unapologetically sticking her butt into Shep’s business and field of view all the time. (Btw "lol, ok" would be the best answer to Aria ever, even though I like the character and she has a sort of funny trying-to-outhardass-each-other-so-much-it seems-like-hardcore-flirting relationship with my Shepard) And yet people bitch. Ok, I guess it’s time to check some Obsidian or something. Or Morrowind. Lots of text and paths and getting lost. Less ass bullshit. Yay. Queued. Hehe Reyes would absolutely find a way to make some profit or power grabs in the middle of it all. (On the other hand, the Reyes vs Kaetus match is still left undecided... errr, everyone fights cthulhu in the end? cthulhu thing eats Sloane, everyone lets the antagonist shit slide afterwards? ) Well, okay, see it goes like this. Now the gunships in the OT got destroyed, because of Shepard the Player Character, right? So it comes down to the High Noon choice. If Kaetus has Ryder to help him, they manage to take Reyes’ gunship down - maybe Kaetus gets a cutscene where he shoots clean through the windshield straight between Reyes’ eyes. Then you can get a snide congratulation from Sloane who thanks you for being an obedient little lapdog, and you go on to kill Keema-Cthulhu to save Kadara with her and Kaetus. If Ryder is riding shotgun in Reyes’ ship, Reyes does some amazing maneuvering to kill Kaetus’ squad with plasma from the ship's exhaust pipes or whatever, and Ryder is manning the weapon controls and explodes Kaetus into giblets with a deftly-guided missile. (Poor Kaetus, I hate to see Turians suffer… But it won’t do to threaten the prettiest man in Heleus.) Then they fly to the black hole in Reyes’ space ship and destroy the evil thing and afterwards have an intimate, starlit moment in some peaceful corner of space, as previously envisioned. Of course he would. Or he could at least get to rob(?)/burgle(?) some choice alien bar. A good opportunity for a DA2 Mark of an assassin-style stealth based side mission And I’d get seriously a) impressed at the respect for the alternating paths, especially when letting cthulhu eat Sloane would remove any need for it torn I’ll never get the nebula date c)thinking about the sad lack of option to switch sides.. that would be an epic one to have . Wonder what my Ryder would think about all that. Hopefully, Ryder would at least get an option to be snide to Sloane right back, the cthulhu fight with the two of them bitching at each other with poor Kaetus in the middle trying to do some actual fighting might be fun. Hmm, a rocket from a gunship in the face of a Turian.. making any parallels here? But you know, at the fade to black of the date scene would have to be cthulhu 2.0 peeping out of the black hole... they’re the villains after all. (Or perhaps the most evil, mean thing that would break down the internet... the cthulhu thing 2.0 crawling inside Jaal. Muhehehe.) I found this in my mp3 collection on my way home, it felt relevant...
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Anyway, I suppose swimming in Kadara pools wouldn’t canonically even suit Scott, since he announces that he never even liked swimming when SAM tells that Kadara water is toxic. Unless Reyes taught him to swim, lol… Actually, that’s a cute idea. (I remember a good Garrus/m!Shep fic where Shep took a highly wary Garrus for a swim float.) What does Sara say there, btw? I believe Sara says, "So, no skinny dipping?" to which SAM replies, "No dipping at all." Drack's "Bet I could drink it." followed by Lexi's horrified, "Drack, NO!!!" over comms is totally my favorite, though. Thank you for all your compliments. They make me super-happy. Next up, Reyes’ space shuttle with him and Ryder inside, idling in some quiet, dark, beautiful corner of Heleus with a view of some dazzling nebula? Seriously, STOP IT. I have 1 more piece plotted before I'm probably going to call it good, and you're going to have me ficcing Reyder smut for ever. I wonder how much of the complaints are just because he’s a plot-significant human male and not a blue sex alien. See, and this is why I love you so much. Well, okay, see it goes like this. Now the gunships in the OT got destroyed, because of Shepard the Player Character, right? So it comes down to the High Noon choice. If Kaetus has Ryder to help him, they manage to take Reyes’ gunship down - maybe Kaetus gets a cutscene where he shoots clean through the windshield straight between Reyes’ eyes. Then you can get a snide congratulation from Sloane who thanks you for being an obedient little lapdog, and you go on to kill Keema-Cthulhu to save Kadara with her and Kaetus. If Ryder is riding shotgun in Reyes’ ship, Reyes does some amazing maneuvering to kill Kaetus’ squad with plasma from the ship's exhaust pipes or whatever, and Ryder is manning the weapon controls and explodes Kaetus into giblets with a deftly-guided missile. (Poor Kaetus, I hate to see Turians suffer… But it won’t do to threaten the prettiest man in Heleus.) Then they fly to the black hole in Reyes’ space ship and destroy the evil thing and afterwards have an intimate, starlit moment in some peaceful corner of space, as previously envisioned. I am totally on board for this. Zitrus Thanks! You should get a custom title about your public service as the n:o 1 information provider to all of us. "Kadara Information Broker", maybe? I concur. Or perhaps "keeper of all scenarios" Thirded!
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Post by orchid on Aug 14, 2017 7:18:48 GMT
According to Keema he’s mentioned it, and clean and proper is not exactly professionalism (playing with words, yeah), it’s just... don’t know, the clear benefit of not being an exile and having that top of the line ship with a shower (but hey, some people may have not so top of the line ships with guns on them so who’s better off now? ). I must confess that first time I heard that line, I chuckled at the idea of Reyes telling that to Keema with that exact wording, as in "s/he’s so professional all the time" being like . Which has of course been refuted as Reyes is not likely to gossip his love life with anyone but Mr. Sniper guy, who can hopefully keep at least some really important secrets... (Unless of course "Hey, Keema, guess what I just heard... you wouldn't believe this shit about Reyes and the pathfinder!) Nooo, Sniper Guy must see through Keema and not tell her anything. He can’t betray the trust Reyes has so very clearly placed in him! It’s a funny thought that Reyes would find professionalism a turn on. Then again, the Collective is very professional and Reyes never meets anyone except through business. Maybe he would find it a good sign, that a cool and collected Ryder might potentially see the benefit in allying themselves with Reyes(/the Collective), instead of being kin with hotheaded Sloane? Yeah, I can see that, actually. (The dialogue line should probably be tied to alignment score so that it would be reserved to actually professional Ryders, but then again MEA alignment system barely exists and is poorly implemented, so that would never work right.) Or the kett, maybe?.. an idiotic move for sure, but the bony shits might do something like that, they are rumored to be quite deceitful in the beginning.. or when they are kicked across the cluster. If they happened to think they would take what they need from and outsmart them in the long run (bold, ambitious and stuff) and perhaps pulled it off... There was that one Kett that tried to make a bargain with Ryder, which I doubt anyone took since there wasn’t any real advantage, so I suppose they could try. I doubt any Angara would be as stupid as to do a repeat of their first contact… Keema especially isn’t a fool. I’m not sure if the Collective doesn’t operate on the cell basis with everyone knowing his closest associates and the representative only... That seems likely for how they conduct their operations, but not necessarily for the membership itself. Most of them seem to wear armor with their logo prominently displayed, except probably some select operatives (like Reyes himself, hehe). Mr. Sniper Guy has a Collective armor, for example: Of course, before the take-over, the Collective agents must have kept lower profile. Makes me wonder about the code names. Like does Crux have a Reyes-style normal life at the Port/slums where her neighbors don’t know what she’s up to when she disappears to the wastes for days or weeks at a time? Or has she downright relinquished her old identity and is “Crux” full-time? The latter would be rather cultish, so I definitely assume the former. All this makes having Keema and probably some aides for her as a front all the more necessary, since the Collective doesn’t have a clear and transparent command structure, making them rather unsuitable for public governance. Now let’s imagine Reyes hard at work designing the Collective logo on napkins at Tartarus. I can’t remember any other character in the game you have so many opportunities to be unfriendly to. Yes, this! The stuff that PeeBee and others pull, and at best you can mildly wag your finger at them… It’s doesn’t even come close punching Reyes in the gut or telling him you’re not friends. All NPCs should have the range that associating with Reyes has. And yeah Liara was a class of her own in this. And I’d get seriously a) impressed at the respect for the alternating paths, especially when letting cthulhu eat Sloane would remove any need for it torn I’ll never get the nebula date c)thinking about the sad lack of option to switch sides.. that would be an epic one to have . Wonder what my Ryder would think about all that. Hopefully, Ryder would at least get an option to be snide to Sloane right back, the cthulhu fight with the two of them bitching at each other with poor Kaetus in the middle trying to do some actual fighting might be fun. Hmm, a rocket from a gunship in the face of a Turian.. making any parallels here? But you know, at the fade to black of the date scene would have to be cthulhu 2.0 peeping out of the black hole... they’re the villains after all. (Or perhaps the most evil, mean thing that would break down the internet... the cthulhu thing 2.0 crawling inside Jaal. Muhehehe.) I found this in my mp3 collection on my way home, it felt relevant... Well, you’re already missing out on Reyes slamming Ryder against the cave wall and the romantic dance afterwards. (How u can live like that, I just don’t know. :smh: ) Perhaps it would finally be a reason for making another Ryder? But yes, it would good if there were enough options to allow ex Reyes romancers to attempt patching things up, even though it really should be extremely hard IMO and would absolutely require a big turn of fortunes for Reyes (Ryder helping him regain what he has lost). Attempting to switch sides would be interesting, but personally I enjoy restricting content based on choices. All the more reason for replays. If there were side-switching, I’d imagine the rest of path divergence would be lessened. Like you’d have to join Reyes against The Bad Guy every time, and either do it happily, reluctantly, or downright against your will (and it would be that last option to majority of pro-Sloane choice players). I would absolutely HATE it if they forced me against Reyes after having chosen him in High Noon, so I can’t wish that fate on Sloane fans either. Kaetus as a chill squaddie trying to calm things down would be great. Maybe he’d start to get sick of Sloane’s constant temper. And maybe Ryder could sneakily exacerbate that and convince Kaetus to take over the Outcasts. Or maaaybe Sloane could meet an unfortunate accident, and the more reasonable Kaetus (unaware of just how Sloane exactly met her demise) would have to take over. It could be good. Very fitting lyrics in that song, too bad about the boring music (sorry!). Seriously, STOP IT. I have 1 more piece plotted before I'm probably going to call it good, and you're going to have me ficcing Reyder smut for ever. I’m sorry. :D8: More Reyes content forever sounds like an amazing thing, tho. I hope the Reyes-fandom stays strong, despite the lack of DLC etc., even though it’s not big. I wonder how much of the complaints are just because he’s a plot-significant human male and not a blue sex alien. See, and this is why I love you so much. I concur. Or perhaps "keeper of all scenarios" Thirded! Guys I think we scared Zitrus off the thread forever.
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Post by Zitrus on Aug 14, 2017 16:26:00 GMT
Guys I think we scared Zitrus off the thread forever. Aww no, I'm right here. Don't mention it. That's what saves are for. While I mostly stick to the first choice I make in the current playthrough I like to go back and see what would happen if... Good that going to the party isn’t a but thou must situation. Makes all the complaints of Reyes being forced upon us even more baseless, coincidentally. Really. And still people who dislike him go to the party and then complain how they have to steal the bottle with him and talk on the rooftop and so on. Well, then decline. How more obvious should the option be. But I know, they don't want to miss out on content. According to Keema he’s mentioned it, and clean and proper is not exactly professionalism (playing with words, yeah), it’s just... don’t know, the clear benefit of not being an exile and having that top of the line ship with a shower (but hey, some people may have not so top of the line ships with guns on them so who’s better off now? ). I must confess that first time I heard that line, I chuckled at the idea of Reyes telling that to Keema with that exact wording, as in "s/he’s so professional all the time" being like . Which has of course been refuted as Reyes is not likely to gossip his love life with anyone but Mr. Sniper guy, who can hopefully keep at least some really important secrets... (Unless of course "Hey, Keema, guess what I just heard... you wouldn't believe this shit about Reyes and the pathfinder!) Nooo, Sniper Guy must see through Keema and not tell her anything. He can’t betray the trust Reyes has so very clearly placed in him! It’s a funny thought that Reyes would find professionalism a turn on. Then again, the Collective is very professional and Reyes never meets anyone except through business. Maybe he would find it a good sign, that a cool and collected Ryder might potentially see the benefit in allying themselves with Reyes(/the Collective), instead of being kin with hotheaded Sloane? Yeah, I can see that, actually. (The dialogue line should probably be tied to alignment score so that it would be reserved to actually professional Ryders, but then again MEA alignment system barely exists and is poorly implemented, so that would never work right.) Also Ryder gets the jobs they do together done properly without much fuss. I'm sure he appreciates that. The alignment tracking is really subpar. If there's a tie Lexi's evaluation will show both possibilities. What now doc, can't decide? When she talks about her job she says the drawback is that she lives in cave and Lynx hasn't seen the sun in weeks but it could be just for those weeks-long shifts they might have to do. Oh yes^^. And while he's at it, how about replacing the flags with the Outcasts' logo in front of the HQ. Or throw Miranda out of the airlock for unapologetically sticking her butt into Shep’s business and field of view all the time. Lol indeed. Those camera angles all the time with her around *rolleyes*. I like he's a human. Nice.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Aug 14, 2017 17:09:07 GMT
Next up, Reyes’ space shuttle with him and Ryder inside, idling in some quiet, dark, beautiful corner of Heleus with a view of some dazzling nebula? Seriously, STOP IT. I have 1 more piece plotted before I'm probably going to call it good, and you're going to have me ficcing Reyder smut for ever. Wait, is that supposed to be a bad thing? Nooo, Sniper Guy must see through Keema and not tell her anything. He can’t betray the trust Reyes has so very clearly placed in him! It’s a funny thought that Reyes would find professionalism a turn on. Then again, the Collective is very professional and Reyes never meets anyone except through business. Maybe he would find it a good sign, that a cool and collected Ryder might potentially see the benefit in allying themselves with Reyes(/the Collective), instead of being kin with hotheaded Sloane? Yeah, I can see that, actually. (The dialogue line should probably be tied to alignment score so that it would be reserved to actually professional Ryders, but then again MEA alignment system barely exists and is poorly implemented, so that would never work right.) Yay, suure, just look at the pic of them walking together like best buds in crime. Mr. Sniper Guy’s lips are sealed at least as far as Reyes’ personal business goes. (And he dutifully has a smoke outside the cave after the duel instead of taking sneak peeks through his scope). I also assume you’re right about Keema, it woul be weird of Reyes to choose an associate with less than ideal powers of understanding. "Don’t tell confidential shit to the obviously self-serving business partners" should be like no1 rule in the Collecive anyway. (I wonder if the second one would be "Evfra is funnier in the dark") Actually, it kind of makes sense... the real funny thought is Reyes the model of all professionalism . The way he looks like he’s anything but professional but in the end you’re left with being not so sure about that. Huh, a very clever strategy. Wonder why the name of this thread was ever changed the way it was, what the fuck do we actually know about the character or why he does anything he does?? Btw Keema says that only in response to the professional tone so there’s that at least. I’m not sure how many people don’t have preferred choices of tone anyway. But yeah, it would be nice if those trends were mentioned.. like, ever)
That seems likely for how they conduct their operations, but not necessarily for the membership itself. Most of them seem to wear armor with their logo prominently displayed, except probably some select operatives (like Reyes himself, hehe). Mr. Sniper Guy has a Collective armor, for example: Of course, before the take-over, the Collective agents must have kept lower profile. Makes me wonder about the code names. Like does Crux have a Reyes-style normal life at the Port/slums where her neighbors don’t know what she’s up to when she disappears to the wastes for days or weeks at a time? Or has she downright relinquished her old identity and is “Crux” full-time? The latter would be rather cultish, so I definitely assume the former. All this makes having Keema and probably some aides for her as a front all the more necessary, since the Collective doesn’t have a clear and transparent command structure, making them rather unsuitable for public governance. Now let’s imagine Reyes hard at work designing the Collective logo on napkins at Tartarus. Hmmm. may I just point out spies and covert oeratives should not wear insignias? Way too conspicous, but perhaps it doesn’t matter when they’re obviously the power in Kadara port? And before that, well, perhaps it was reserved to Collective gatherings and team building actions. Reyes had put all the work into designing it so it had to be used somehere after all That’s an interesting question. I’d say it would be better for them to have some cover identities just in case but we know that Sloane hardly cared about the Collective. Crux seems to louge in the base all day long though so perhaps at least some of them went full time (perhaps those that were driven out of the port anyway??) but there would undoubtably be benefits to them working all around Kadara. Eyes, ears and stuff. But the rel question here- are there really napkins in Tartarus? I’d almost bet that Reyes had to carve the logo on the table or something
Well, you’re already missing out on Reyes slamming Ryder against the cave wall and the romantic dance afterwards. (How u can live like that, I just don’t know. :smh: ) Perhaps it would finally be a reason for making another Ryder? But yes, it would good if there were enough options to allow ex Reyes romancers to attempt patching things up, even though it really should be extremely hard IMO and would absolutely require a big turn of fortunes for Reyes (Ryder helping him regain what he has lost). Attempting to switch sides would be interesting, but personally I enjoy restricting content based on choices. All the more reason for replays. If there were side-switching, I’d imagine the rest of path divergence would be lessened. Like you’d have to join Reyes against The Bad Guy every time, and either do it happily, reluctantly, or downright against your will (and it would be that last option to majority of pro-Sloane choice players). I would absolutely HATE it if they forced me against Reyes after having chosen him in High Noon, so I can’t wish that fate on Sloane fans either. Kaetus as a chill squaddie trying to calm things down would be great. Maybe he’d start to get sick of Sloane’s constant temper. And maybe Ryder could sneakily exacerbate that and convince Kaetus to take over the Outcasts. Or maaaybe Sloane could meet an unfortunate accident, and the more reasonable Kaetus (unaware of just how Sloane exactly met her demise) would have to take over. It could be good. Oh, I’m not missing out on these, they’re just not official and get reloaded. The only thing I’m missing i the ending. But frankly, there’s not enough wriggle room for me to start over on Ryder. However, as I’ve once hinted it wouldn’t even be needed. I’ve given it quite some thought today and just changing the order of events (with Sarissa and the salarian ark and perhaps some others placed before the High noon) could make her take a different turn, totally in-character. More time around Reyes together with some lessons learned sooner.. and i can totally see Ryder going down the more selfish route. She’s a neutral anyway, instead of "I’m the Pathfinder and fuck all this useless personal business" there would just be "I’m the Pathfinder and me and mine take preference" in the end. Might be interesting. And I’m doing that, divergent paths make characters grow too. (my baseless sensitivities will just have to deal. with.it. story first.) This thread’s influence, though, of course. I didn’t mean the switching of sides as forced, just as an option to finally get to be the jerk some want to be, whatever - clever and story-dependant at best- reason would be presented for it. Forced would be horrifying. Yaay, that’s what I was trying to get at with sugesting the cthulhu thing eating her (the accident). Kaetus already shows these tendencies when he stands between Sloane and Ryder. He’s the more rational one, who knows how things might actually end with Sloane gone... One more reason why mr sniper guy’s choice to disclose how Sloane died is just plain moronic.
Guys I think we scared Zitrus off the thread forever. Zitrus retuuuuurns! I saw and then got ninjad! Hello, Zitrus, your two or so day’s absence was sorely felt
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Post by Zitrus on Aug 14, 2017 19:14:02 GMT
Hey there! Have a Reyes friendship moment gif to make up for it^^. And I forgot to answer this: Right, the line is missing and there's no substitute for it.
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