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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 2, 2016 23:39:32 GMT
Prior to its discover in 2003, it was the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy that held the position of closest galaxy to our own. At 75,000 light years away. This dwarf galaxy, which consists of four globular clusters that measure some 10,000 light-years in diameter, was discovered in 1994. Prior to that, the Large Magellanic Cloud was thought to be our closest neighbor. www.universetoday.com/21914/the-closest-galaxy-to-the-milky-way/There is absolutely no rational reason to travel to Andromeda when there are closer galaxies. They probably used it because they liked the name and it's spiral resemblance to our Milky Way. Like i said, a satellite (that is about 10% of the Milky Way length). We could try asking on twitter(who has it) about this. Why Andromeda instead of some satellite galaxy. A galaxy, yes. Full of plenty of stars, more than enough potential for finding more resources or life. Closer and a lot less risky than traveling all the way to Andromeda.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2016 23:39:39 GMT
No, their purpose was to prevent advanced life evolving to a point they could create synthetic life that will wipe out all life. We are near that cusp hence them harvesting us. So letting enough of us go to repopulate and continue to advance is against their goals thus stopping us is only logical. But they don't care though if a few slip through. Rachni, Protheans, Leviathans, as long as their goals are met they don't care. The Andromeda Initiative is not "a few". It's tens of thousands of people. Rachni haven't reached the point of harvest yet, hence leaving them be during the Prothean cycle. Protheans were wiped out to the point the only survivors were a few dozen, not enough to repopulate and continue to advance. Leviathans are few in number and are in hiding, and once seen to be alive were hunted. Plus from what the Catalyst says it seems the Reapers may want some alive to observe their fulfillment of their objective, like a child looking to parents for approval after doing what they were told to do. After all they know the Leviathans won't develop synthetics again.
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Post by bshep on Dec 2, 2016 23:39:50 GMT
And yeah a the Collector ship attacking any target in Sol would have been suicide, for them. But...but..."THEY'RE GOING TO HIT EARTH!!!!" We have dismissed that line
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Post by colfoley on Dec 2, 2016 23:41:29 GMT
But they don't care though if a few slip through. Rachni, Protheans, Leviathans, as long as their goals are met they don't care. But enough "slipping through" to establish one ore more viable colonies would be too many. They'd continue to develop and, by their logic, develop synthetic life that would (inevitably) destroy all organic life. This is assuming they even know in the first place... regardless look at the Rachni and Leviathans. They were still able to develop and work their magic. Granted neither seemed interested in AI but at the end of the day that has never stopped the Reapers before.
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Post by bshep on Dec 2, 2016 23:43:08 GMT
Like i said, a satellite (that is about 10% of the Milky Way length). We could try asking on twitter(who has it) about this. Why Andromeda instead of some satellite galaxy. A galaxy, yes. Full of plenty of stars, more than enough potential for finding more resources or life. Closer and a lot less risky than traveling all the way to Andromeda. Satellite Galaxy. You not wanting them to be doesn't change the fact that they are under the nfluence of the Milky Way's gravity and are classified that way.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 2, 2016 23:43:09 GMT
But they don't care though if a few slip through. Rachni, Protheans, Leviathans, as long as their goals are met they don't care. The Andromeda Initiative is not "a few". It's tens of thousands of people. Rachni haven't reached the point of harvest yet, hence leaving them be during the Prothean cycle. Protheans were wiped out to the point the only survivors were a few dozen, not enough to repopulate and continue to advance. Leviathans are few in number and are in hiding, and once seen to be alive were hunted. Plus from what the Catalyst says it seems the Reapers may want some alive to observe their fulfillment of their objective, like a child looking to parents for approval after doing what they were told to do. After all they know the Leviathans won't develop synthetics again. eighty thousand on the arks, out of a galaxy of billions, maybe even trillions.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2016 23:44:06 GMT
The Andromeda Initiative is not "a few". It's tens of thousands of people. Rachni haven't reached the point of harvest yet, hence leaving them be during the Prothean cycle. Protheans were wiped out to the point the only survivors were a few dozen, not enough to repopulate and continue to advance. Leviathans are few in number and are in hiding, and once seen to be alive were hunted. Plus from what the Catalyst says it seems the Reapers may want some alive to observe their fulfillment of their objective, like a child looking to parents for approval after doing what they were told to do. After all they know the Leviathans won't develop synthetics again. eighty thousand on the arks, out of a galaxy of billions, maybe even trillions. And? That's still not a few and more than enough to repopulate. Reapers have attacked colonies that have less than that.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 2, 2016 23:44:10 GMT
But enough "slipping through" to establish one ore more viable colonies would be too many. They'd continue to develop and, by their logic, develop synthetic life that would (inevitably) destroy all organic life. This is assuming they even know in the first place... regardless look at the Rachni and Leviathans. They were still able to develop and work their magic. Granted neither seemed interested in AI but at the end of the day that has never stopped the Reapers before. They'd certainly know. Even if this was a private project, something on this scale simply can't be kept silent. The ODSY engine is a massive breakthrough in technology, it should have been all over the news. In fact, the latest briefing suggests that the Alliance, at least, is aware of the project since they'll be escorting the arks to the edge of the galaxy. The Leviathans managed to hide themselves. The rachni were captured and turned to serve the Reapers.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 2, 2016 23:46:22 GMT
This is assuming they even know in the first place... regardless look at the Rachni and Leviathans. They were still able to develop and work their magic. Granted neither seemed interested in AI but at the end of the day that has never stopped the Reapers before. The Leviathans managed to hide themselves. The rachni were captured and turned to serve the Reapers. And thus we reach the conclusion that the Reapers are fallible and do not know everything, so since the Ark Iniative was obviously not attacked then the Reapers did not know about it.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 2, 2016 23:46:55 GMT
A galaxy, yes. Full of plenty of stars, more than enough potential for finding more resources or life. Closer and a lot less risky than traveling all the way to Andromeda. Satellite Galaxy. You not wanting them to be doesn't change the fact that they are under the nfluence of the Milky Way's gravity and are classified that way. Does a satellite galaxy mean anything I said about them is incorrect? That they don't have a lot of stars? Don't have great potential for more resources or alien life? Aren't closer and less dangerous to approach than Andromeda? No, it doesn't mean any of those things. Those are closer galaxies and it would have made more sense to travel to one of them before Andromeda.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2016 23:47:20 GMT
The Leviathans managed to hide themselves. The rachni were captured and turned to serve the Reapers. And thus we reach the conclusion that the Reapers are fallible and do not know everything, so since the Ark Iniative was obviously not attacked then the Reapers did not know about it. Except unlike the Leviathans, there is no reasonable explanation for the Reapers not knowing about the Andromeda Initiative.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 2, 2016 23:47:22 GMT
The Leviathans managed to hide themselves. The rachni were captured and turned to serve the Reapers. And thus we reach the conclusion that the Reapers are fallible and do not know everything, so since the Ark Iniative was obviously not attacked then the Reapers did not know about it. Fallible, sure, but the AI is way to big for them to miss.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 2, 2016 23:48:19 GMT
The Leviathans managed to hide themselves. The rachni were captured and turned to serve the Reapers. And thus we reach the conclusion that the Reapers are fallible and do not know everything, so since the Ark Iniative was obviously not attacked then the Reapers did not know about it. But they were successful enough to keep any races from escaping their mouse trap. And a project like the Nexus (which wasn't billed as a covert project in this video) would have certainly not been missed by the guys who'd been doing things successfully for millions of years.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2016 23:50:22 GMT
And thus we reach the conclusion that the Reapers are fallible and do not know everything, so since the Ark Iniative was obviously not attacked then the Reapers did not know about it. But they were successful enough to keep any races from escaping their mouse trap. And a project like the Nexus (which wasn't billed as a covert project in this video) would have certainly not been missed by the guys who'd been doing things successfully for millions of years. Not just millions. The Rapers have been doing that voodoo that they do so well for at least a billion years.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 2, 2016 23:51:47 GMT
Again: Two options. Either they didn't know about it or they did know about it and they didn't care. Or I suppose they knew, they cared, but did not have the ability to attack said facility because they feared being revealed or just didn't have the capabilities. These are the three options. Since we know the ark project survived to make it to the Andromeda Galaxy it has to be one of those three. And all this conversation, to me, makes a whole lot less sense then the conversation on whether or not the arks had the technical know how.
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Post by saberchic on Dec 2, 2016 23:52:50 GMT
And thus we reach the conclusion that the Reapers are fallible and do not know everything, so since the Ark Iniative was obviously not attacked then the Reapers did not know about it. But they were successful enough to keep any races from escaping their mouse trap. And a project like the Nexus (which wasn't billed as a covert project in this video) would have certainly not been missed by the guys who'd been doing things successfully for millions of years. And yet things still slipped through despite the fact that reapers tried to cleanse everything. The reapers aren't perfect and omniscient. They also might not even care. I don't see why the reapers should've made stopping this a priority even if they knew about it.
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Post by bshep on Dec 2, 2016 23:56:06 GMT
Satellite Galaxy. You not wanting them to be doesn't change the fact that they are under the nfluence of the Milky Way's gravity and are classified that way. Does a satellite galaxy mean anything I said about them is incorrect? That they don't have a lot of stars? Don't have great potential for more resources or alien life? Aren't closer and less dangerous to approach than Andromeda? No, it doesn't mean any of those things. Those are closer galaxies and it would have made more sense to travel to one of them before Andromeda. Actually it does. They have less gas because the gravity of the Milky Way strips them from star formation Hydrogen, pretty much reducing or shutting down the creation of new stars and consequently of planets. So those dwarfs (the ones closer at least) should be actually scarce on resources and alien life compared to the MW.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 2, 2016 23:59:00 GMT
But they were successful enough to keep any races from escaping their mouse trap. And a project like the Nexus (which wasn't billed as a covert project in this video) would have certainly not been missed by the guys who'd been doing things successfully for millions of years. And yet things still slipped through despite the fact that reapers tried to cleanse everything. The reapers aren't perfect and omniscient. They also might not even care. I don't see why the reapers should've made stopping this a priority even if they knew about it. Why would they let anyone escape their mouse trap? It's all designed to catch races reaching a certain technological point and then convert them into a new Reaper or destroy them. What's the logic behind letting a race (or races) they're trying to convert or destroy escape to another galaxy? No, things did not slip through. That was the whole point about the Reapers and what made them scary. The whole point of the Mass Effect trilogy was that the sentient technologically advanced races were doomed unless they could somehow defeat the Reapers. These guys just flying away willy-nilly takes away all the doom. It's silly.
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Post by Cirvante on Dec 3, 2016 0:00:04 GMT
Isn't dark space technically a huge black hole that would crush anything (except Reapers) or something? A black hole is matter that has been crushed beyond it's "Schwarzschild Radius".
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Post by colfoley on Dec 3, 2016 0:00:25 GMT
And yet things still slipped through despite the fact that reapers tried to cleanse everything. The reapers aren't perfect and omniscient. They also might not even care. I don't see why the reapers should've made stopping this a priority even if they knew about it. Why would they let anyone escape their mouse trap? It's all designed to catch races reaching a certain technological point and then convert them into a new Reaper or destroy them. What's the logic behind letting a race (or races) they're trying to convert or destroy escape to another galaxy? No, things did not slip through. That was the whole point about the Reapers and what made them scary. The whole point of the Mass Effect trilogy was that the sentient technologically advanced races were doomed unless they could somehow defeat the Reapers. These guys just flying away willy-nilly takes away all the doom. It's silly. Races slipped through the Reaper mouse trap so often I half wonder if it was intentional.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 3, 2016 0:00:25 GMT
Again: Two options. Either they didn't know about it or they did know about it and they didn't care. Or I suppose they knew, they cared, but did not have the ability to attack said facility because they feared being revealed or just didn't have the capabilities. These are the three options. Since we know the ark project survived to make it to the Andromeda Galaxy it has to be one of those three. And all this conversation, to me, makes a whole lot less sense then the conversation on whether or not the arks had the technical know how. If they didn't know about it, then the Reapers are so oblivious it's amazing they managed to complete a single cycle. If they knew but didn't care, then they're not following their own logic, as they are risking allowing this cycle to continue to develop until synthetics kill everyone in Andromeda, then come back (with their ODSY drives) and kill everyone in the MW as well. Because inevitable. If they knew, cared, but somehow couldn't, then why? If nothing else, why not follow and wipe out the AI in Andromeda itself? Reapers are very patient, and totally implacable.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 3, 2016 0:01:35 GMT
Again: Two options. Either they didn't know about it or they did know about it and they didn't care. Or I suppose they knew, they cared, but did not have the ability to attack said facility because they feared being revealed or just didn't have the capabilities. These are the three options. Since we know the ark project survived to make it to the Andromeda Galaxy it has to be one of those three. And all this conversation, to me, makes a whole lot less sense then the conversation on whether or not the arks had the technical know how. I'll go with Option D: Bioware messed up and are trying to get out of that regardless or lore or logic integrity.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 3, 2016 0:01:48 GMT
Why would they let anyone escape their mouse trap? It's all designed to catch races reaching a certain technological point and then convert them into a new Reaper or destroy them. What's the logic behind letting a race (or races) they're trying to convert or destroy escape to another galaxy? No, things did not slip through. That was the whole point about the Reapers and what made them scary. The whole point of the Mass Effect trilogy was that the sentient technologically advanced races were doomed unless they could somehow defeat the Reapers. These guys just flying away willy-nilly takes away all the doom. It's silly. Races slipped through the Reaper mouse trap so often I half wonder if it was intentional. The Leviathans are the only ones known to have escaped with enough survivors to maintain a viable population.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 3, 2016 0:01:49 GMT
Again: Two options. Either they didn't know about it or they did know about it and they didn't care. Or I suppose they knew, they cared, but did not have the ability to attack said facility because they feared being revealed or just didn't have the capabilities. These are the three options. Since we know the ark project survived to make it to the Andromeda Galaxy it has to be one of those three. And all this conversation, to me, makes a whole lot less sense then the conversation on whether or not the arks had the technical know how. If they didn't know about it, then the Reapers are so oblivious it's amazing they managed to complete a single cycle. If they knew but didn't care, then they're not following their own logic, as they are risking allowing this cycle to continue to develop until synthetics kill everyone in Andromeda, then come back (with their ODSY drives) and kill everyone in the MW as well. Because inevitable. If they knew, cared, but somehow couldn't, then why? If nothing else, why not follow and wipe out the AI in Andromeda itself? Reapers are very patient, and totally implacable. Well at least there is another thread for that third one...
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 0:01:49 GMT
Does a satellite galaxy mean anything I said about them is incorrect? That they don't have a lot of stars? Don't have great potential for more resources or alien life? Aren't closer and less dangerous to approach than Andromeda? No, it doesn't mean any of those things. Those are closer galaxies and it would have made more sense to travel to one of them before Andromeda. Actually it does. They have less gas because the gravity of the Milky Way strips them from star formation Hydrogen, pretty much reducing or shutting down the creation of new stars and consequently of planets. So those dwarfs (the ones closer at least) should be actually scarce on resources and alien life compared to the MW. There's stars aplenty in all the closer galaxies - space is big. So are satellite galaxies. Haven't you heard? It would have made much more sense to travel to a closer galaxy, test out the new drives, and then try something further away (and far more risky) later on. There's really nothing you can say that's going to change my mind on that, so we can agree to disagree.
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