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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 21:00:54 GMT
The shot of the Tempest entering the atmosphere is by far the best thing shown from this game so far. So beautiful. Hopefully scenes like that will be a common thing in the game. I have a feeling in my gut, that they will
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Post by Mihura on Jan 12, 2017 21:03:43 GMT
Our attempts at space exploration are based on the same concepts too. Of course the same argument can be made that they know that other species can be hostile but if exploration of the unknown is the main objective and they do not know what they will find, having more guns or less guns is irrelevant in a recon team. Also we do not know the shape of the military, we are not N7s so we run and do not engage most probably in space fights. Of course having weapons is relevant when you know that there are actual hostile aliens out there, for all you know you are going to meet the Yahg 2.0 in Andromeda, having weapons might mean the difference between surviving or ending up as dinner. Sure but infantry weapons are enough no? this actually begs the question why not make the N7s responsible for exploring than? why the Andromeda initiative? I think the devs are trying to do something a long the lines of Star Trek: Enterprise, where you are on a lone ship exploring and your guns at the beginning are not great. Maybe we can upgrade or something, I mean I think it is to early to assume anything at this point.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 12, 2017 21:04:32 GMT
The shot of the Tempest entering the atmosphere is by far the best thing shown from this game so far. So beautiful. Hopefully scenes like that will be a common thing in the game. I have a feeling in my gut, that they will I'm pretty sure that they will be the cutscenes that will cover the planet loading screen.
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Post by Cypher on Jan 12, 2017 21:08:53 GMT
Ugh. For the same reason sound in space became an "artistic choice" probably. But at least the sound in space in Mass Effect is explained as being from sound emulators in the ships. Granted this explanation doesn't work with cutscenes but at least they tried addressing it. This however, just....why are their contrails? Contrails are made by mass effect fields interacting with particulate matter floating in space at sub-FTL speeds. That's my explanation I just came up with in six seconds and I'm sticking to it. Of course having weapons is relevant when you know that there are actual hostile aliens out there, for all you know you are going to meet the Yahg 2.0 in Andromeda, having weapons might mean the difference between surviving or ending up as dinner. Sure but infantry weapons are enough no? this actually begs the question why not make the N7s responsible for exploring than? why the Andromeda initiative? I think the devs are trying to do something a long the lines of Star Trek: Enterprise, where you are on a lone ship exploring and your guns at the beginning are not great. Maybe we can upgrade or something, I mean I think it is to early to assume anything at this point. Because N7's are part of the Alliance and Ai isn't an Alliance project, it's a private entity doing it with multilateral assistance. It's more SpaceX than NASA. NASA might recruit from the military for its astronauts while SpaceX might go with police, private military, and airline pilots. Ai is picking up the police, private military, and airline pilots in the comparative analogy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 21:08:58 GMT
I have a feeling in my gut, that they will I'm pretty sure that they will be the cutscenes that will cover the planet loading screen. Exactly. Hence, the "seamless" transitions between the Tempest and surface of the planet you choose to land (or crash, lol) on.
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Post by kevpool184 on Jan 12, 2017 21:09:20 GMT
Of course having weapons is relevant when you know that there are actual hostile aliens out there, for all you know you are going to meet the Yahg 2.0 in Andromeda, having weapons might mean the difference between surviving or ending up as dinner. Sure but infantry weapons are enough no? this actually begs the question why not make the N7s responsible for exploring than? why the Andromeda initiative? I think the devs are trying to do something a long the lines of Star Trek: Enterprise, where you are on a lone ship exploring and your guns at the beginning are not great. Maybe we can upgrade or something, I mean I think it is to early to assume anything at this point. exactly what i'm thinking as well. i see the tempest as a tiny version of the enterprise, which also was made for exploring in the first case, not as a warship "delivering freedom" with artillery on a death star level.
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Post by MagiK on Jan 12, 2017 21:10:31 GMT
Someone was complaining about contrails in space...why are the contrails in space....its called "Drama" and it "Looks" cool, if you want realism dont play Mass Effect go get involved with Star Citizen
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Post by Iakus on Jan 12, 2017 21:13:37 GMT
Other than what has been mentioned before, there is another thing that bugs me about the Tempest: it leaves contrails in space. Why are there contrails in space, Bioware? Contrails wouldn't exist in space. Probably not a sufficient answer but, could be part of the ship's cooling system: From Starships: Heat ManagementIn a droplet system, tanks of liquid sodium or lithium absorb heat within the ship. The liquid is vented from spray nozzles near the bow as a thin sheet of millions of micrometer-scale droplets. The droplets are caught at the stern and recycled into the system. A droplet system can sink 10-100 times as much heat as DRA strips.Droplet sheets resemble a surface ship's wake through water. The wake peels out in sharp turns, spreading a fan of droplets as the ship changes vectors and leaves the coolant behind.It's not really what the contrails look like, but it's the closest I can figure to an explanation
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Post by Iakus on Jan 12, 2017 21:15:25 GMT
Because N7's are part of the Alliance and Ai isn't an Alliance project, it's a private entity doing it with multilateral assistance. It's more SpaceX than NASA. NASA might recruit from the military for its astronauts while SpaceX might go with police, private military, and airline pilots. Ai is picking up the police, private military, and airline pilots in the comparative analogy. Alec Ryder is an N7. At least he wears the insignia.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 12, 2017 21:24:50 GMT
We know nothing about what happened to Alec Ryder, he was suppose to be a pathfinder so maybe something went wrong and now he is only a N7 again. Maybe the reason for that is disagreeing with the approach of the Andromeda Initiative, being more pacifist or something.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jan 12, 2017 21:33:13 GMT
I can understand the Nomad having no guns from a developer's point of view, as it involves more work adding the game mechanics and balancing out combat. However, not equipping the ship with a main gun makes no sense. Most of those combat scenes are subject to cut scenes anyway, so it shouldn't involve that much more effort. What's more, the sheer idea of an organisation visiting a different galaxy of which they have no clue what it actually contains, and simply have them assume their ships will be able to outrun or hide from any potential foe is laughable. I think for the Tempest is more about it being a recon ship, although the Initiative as whole is shaping up to be too much optimistic, clueless or propaganda with their statements. Which is likely the reason behind the protests and separations. I hope these Briefings are toned as intentional in-universe marketing to a foolish extent by foolish people. And that even the ending of MEA implies that the Tempest is getting some damn guns (after the game's story). It'd be funny to look back on these videos for how much they expected Andromeda to just 'work out' for the AI.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jan 12, 2017 21:34:54 GMT
We know nothing about what happened to Alec Ryder, he was suppose to be a pathfinder so maybe something went wrong and now he is only a N7 again. Maybe the reason for that is disagreeing with the approach of the Andromeda Initiative, being more pacifist or something. I can totally see that. And family conflict. While the AI and our Ryder is still meant to be tested and over time accept a degree of non-pacifism in the face of what the galaxy has against them.
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Post by Cypher on Jan 12, 2017 21:40:42 GMT
Because N7's are part of the Alliance and Ai isn't an Alliance project, it's a private entity doing it with multilateral assistance. It's more SpaceX than NASA. NASA might recruit from the military for its astronauts while SpaceX might go with police, private military, and airline pilots. Ai is picking up the police, private military, and airline pilots in the comparative analogy. Alec Ryder is an N7. At least he wears the insignia. Clearly, but that doesn't mean he's still active duty Alliance; thus falling into the private military category. Everyone's known by their title of achievement and rank after leaving their post, so it doesn't mean that Alec Ryder still has to be actively serving the Alliance to be an N7 or still have his armor. Regardless, as a private entity, Ai would get most of their personnel from the private sector and anyone who was military is either on permanent loan or joined the project after they left the military. The military wouldn't pad this with special forces, because then they wouldn't have special forces where they need them and would have to rebuild from scratch.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 12, 2017 21:47:09 GMT
We know nothing about what happened to Alec Ryder, he was suppose to be a pathfinder so maybe something went wrong and now he is only a N7 again. Maybe the reason for that is disagreeing with the approach of the Andromeda Initiative, being more pacifist or something. I can totally see that. And family conflict. While the AI and our Ryder is still meant to be tested and over time accept a degree of non-pacifism in the face of what the galaxy has against them. I think there was something about that, that Ryders father could be seen as an antagonist in the sense of ideals or approach.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 12, 2017 21:49:09 GMT
Sure but infantry weapons are enough no? this actually begs the question why not make the N7s responsible for exploring than? why the Andromeda initiative? I think the devs are trying to do something a long the lines of Star Trek: Enterprise, where you are on a lone ship exploring and your guns at the beginning are not great. Maybe we can upgrade or something, I mean I think it is to early to assume anything at this point. No. Infantry weapons are good for infantry combat. What if you are attacked by pirates? What if there are ground-to-space guns that can just shoot your ship without you being able to do anything about it? Infantry weapons are only good for infantry-level threats, a hostile race of aliens can potentially have much more than that to throw against you. Going in an unarmed and unarmored ship is practically going in naked. Just send your infantry out onto the hull of the ship and shoot the pirates
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Post by SwobyJ on Jan 12, 2017 21:50:42 GMT
I can totally see that. And family conflict. While the AI and our Ryder is still meant to be tested and over time accept a degree of non-pacifism in the face of what the galaxy has against them. I think there was something about that, that Ryders father could be seeing as an antagonist in the sense of ideals or approach. Great. He does the dirty work but taints himself, while we clean up his messes and get a bit dirty in the process. We get dirty enough to be able to face him, who goes beyond redemption. Or whatever. Then we 'try to remember who he was'.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 12, 2017 21:52:09 GMT
I really hope ME:A's "thing" isn't going to be preaching about pacifism. It will also be particularly dumb considering the style of gameplay on foot. "This is what you get for not doing the Green ending!"
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 12, 2017 21:52:11 GMT
I really hope ME:A's "thing" isn't going to be preaching about pacifism. It will also be particularly dumb considering the style of gameplay on foot. I think it'll be more about being clueless and unprepared then pacifism. Otherwise the Tempest (which reasoning behind the light of non existent weapons is making the ship faster, not pacifism) has a research room with the purpose of improving armours and weapons.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 12, 2017 21:53:57 GMT
I really hope ME:A's "thing" isn't going to be preaching about pacifism. It will also be particularly dumb considering the style of gameplay on foot. "This is what you get for not doing the Green ending!" The green ending would actually be more about complete peace
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Post by Mihura on Jan 12, 2017 22:00:20 GMT
Sure but infantry weapons are enough no? this actually begs the question why not make the N7s responsible for exploring than? why the Andromeda initiative? I think the devs are trying to do something a long the lines of Star Trek: Enterprise, where you are on a lone ship exploring and your guns at the beginning are not great. Maybe we can upgrade or something, I mean I think it is to early to assume anything at this point. No. Infantry weapons are good for infantry combat. What if you are attacked by pirates? What if there are ground-to-space guns that can just shoot your ship without you being able to do anything about it?Infantry weapons are only good for infantry-level threats, a hostile race of aliens can potentially have much more than that to throw against you. Going in an unarmed and unarmored ship is practically going in naked. I agree but for a Yahg 2.0 like you mention it is enough. As for the rest you run, that is the whole point of being a recon ship that is fast and stealthy. Again we are not N7s, the rules of engagement are different.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 12, 2017 22:04:19 GMT
The two questions the briefing raises for me:
How will we be able to use the mining probes? will they be able to be deployed indepndently where you can say to yourself 'ok we are about to go into combat, quick lets deploy the probes,' and then they do their thing and come back? Or will we have to sit their and wait for them to do their thing?
And just how effective will the Nomad be in combat? Granted I would have assumed based on similar information it would work like the DA I horses but the fact that we have some defensive means to assault enemies suggest the Nomad has at least a little combat utility?
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Post by Nightlife on Jan 12, 2017 22:06:26 GMT
Seeing the nomad a bit more makes me sorta want to get the mini-Nomad diecast. The big RC car? meh. Anyone else getting the diecast Nomad? I usually always buy collector's editions but this time around they are odd.
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Post by jjdxb on Jan 12, 2017 22:10:53 GMT
There's no point being armed to the teeth if you encounter hostile aliens like the Kett. Either way, you're screwed. 200k people do not stand a chance in hell against a cluster-wide civilization, being armed just delays the inevitable - run away, or die. It's a strategic choice. Your only choice, in fact, is to be sneaky. The colonists on Mindoir didn't stand a chance against the Batarians. It's the same situation here. The AI cannot prosecute a conventional war against someone like the Kett with a hope of winning. Furthermore, "does not have a main gun" is not the same as "has no defensive weapons". Having many weapons just gives the illusion of choice/hope in your defensive strategy. No amount of guns on the Nexus would save it from a hostile armada.
Also, plenty of people have made one way trips in history. The vast majority of colonists and migrants throughout history, in fact, made their one way journey knowing they would not return. I don't believe the physical distance has any real bearing on this. Rather, it's the mental distance. We know the AI plans to reestablish contact with the Milky Way. It's not much different to the thousands of Austronesians who left Borneo to settle Madagascar (this actually happened - and they really had minimal contact with their forebears until the Age of Empire). And what of the Asians who migrated across the Bering Straits to settle the Americas and eventually completely forget about all other humans? Even in modern times, there are tens of thousands of people who got duped by Mars One, the Ark doesn't have many more than that.
But yes, the cabin is a little large.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 12, 2017 22:11:44 GMT
"This is what you get for not doing the Green ending!" Ugh. The green ending would actually be more about complete peace The green ending is about an unrealistic utopian version of technological singularity. Not to mention the space magic behind it.
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Post by jerzeycj on Jan 12, 2017 22:15:22 GMT
OH BOY, we get to do planet scanning again! Only this time we have to actually go and land on the planet to do it, oh fun! /s
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