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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 4, 2016 14:36:34 GMT
I believe putting a female version of every enemy out there (when that is possible of course) does much more to create a equal game than romances or anything in those lines.
Deus Ex: Invisible War did just that and I thought it was very cool.
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Post by Arcian on Dec 4, 2016 14:47:12 GMT
I understand the need for equality and additional female representation in videos but does anyone feel uncomfortable with the inclusion of female mooks just for the player to shoot/stab or otherwise brutalize? I don't really see how faceless female enemies really contributes much to gender equality. Call me hypocritical but I was brought up with the belief that there is no excuse for a man to ever raise a hand against a woman (except i suppose in extreme cases of self defence, but even then I don't think I would ever deliberately hurt a girl) and personally I feel much more comfortable shooting at 'male' enemies. You're not hypocritical, you're sexist. Feminism has fought long and hard for a woman's right to be killed on a battlefield. Men shouldn't have exclusive rights to the privilege of dying for their country/cause.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 4, 2016 14:56:13 GMT
Dragon Age and Mass Effect always had plenty of female enemies.
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Post by commandercryptarch on Dec 4, 2016 14:56:23 GMT
Ok...Assuming ypu are entirely serious. Look, as a female myself, I don't mind and I never thought that was a problem ever in any game. Didn't the trilogy include a good sized amount of female pirates, female biotic cultists, female mercs, female Cerberus agents etc . etc . ?Didn't Shepard have female squadmates at his or her side? Hell , Shepard could even be a woman ,so by this logic would it be inhumane to choose to play as FemShep because you are putting a woman through so much danger? Why is this suddenly a problem in 2016/2017?
I mean , women choosing their own paths means inequality? A woman who willingly chooses to be a mercenary knows the risks damn well.Wouldn't a mercenary band be sexist if they turned women away therefore forbidding them to follow the line of work they want? And isn't it sexist to think that the loss of men ONLY is OK and the loss of women is atrocious? I think the loss of life is horrible no matter the gender.
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Post by commandercryptarch on Dec 4, 2016 15:03:25 GMT
Petition for non-lethal option in Andromeda! Also, if ME was a stealth game series then it would make sense.But Mass Effect is an RPG shooter.You can try prevent the loss of some life through your desicions but combat is combat.When the combat sequence starts ,there is no way out of it. You are basically asking for an interactive movie version where you can NOT SHOOT anything in ...a shooter.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Dec 4, 2016 15:08:34 GMT
I understand the need for equality and additional female representation in videos but does anyone feel uncomfortable with the inclusion of female mooks just for the player to shoot/stab or otherwise brutalize? I don't really see how faceless female enemies really contributes much to gender equality. Call me hypocritical but I was brought up with the belief that there is no excuse for a man to ever raise a hand against a woman (except i suppose in extreme cases of self defence, but even then I don't think I would ever deliberately hurt a girl) and personally I feel much more comfortable shooting at 'male' enemies. If inserting women enemies into a game is done solely for making gender equality, you've lost a point in my book anyway. For realism it would make sense to at least have a third or fourth being women, if we're talking about 2016 but in Andromeda; a futuristic "contemporary" setting, they can do whatever as a depiction of what realism looks like then. I think having exclusively male enemies is a missed opportunity to have something that makes a bit more sense. If the enemies were exclusively human women, that wouldn't really trigger me personally, but I'm sure the SJW crowd will latch on to it immediately and say it's just there out of spite for women. It's because we're in the age of the internet where everything thrives on controversy and slander.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 15:21:54 GMT
OP - May I suggest you play Minecraft, single-player only, and always in Peaceful mode. I do, it's excellent relaxation. I'll rephrase - May I suggest you RESTRICT yourself to playing just Minecraft SP Peaceful only. Clearly, you have a problem with differentiating concerns over feminine representations in real life vs. in media. Portraying females as "untouchable" videogame NPCs will do nothing to prevent the abuse and violence that occurs against women in real life. Combat play has historically been overwhelmingly male (I'm looking back at the 50s and 60s here) and that did nothing to discourage men who are inclined to abuse women in real life. I'm glad you say would not hit a woman, but I would really prefer to hear that you would take every possible other more peaceful course of action to settle a dispute IRL before resorting to hitting anyone of any gender. You should not feel any "more comfortable" shooting male represented NPCs than female ones... as you should not feel "more comfortable" hitting a man without sufficient cause than you would hitting a woman without sufficient cause... and, IMO, there are very, very few instances in real life where there is actually sufficient cause to hit anyone let alone shoot them. As has been noted above, "shooter" videogames, by definition, put the player in circumstances where there is no other option but to engage in mortal combat. If you're going to play such games, you better be able to differentiate that whatever the game throws up in front of you to just shoot is not real.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 4, 2016 15:25:58 GMT
I understand the need for equality and additional female representation in videos but does anyone feel uncomfortable with the inclusion of female mooks just for the player to shoot/stab or otherwise brutalize? I don't really see how faceless female enemies really contributes much to gender equality. Call me hypocritical but I was brought up with the belief that there is no excuse for a man to ever raise a hand against a woman (except i suppose in extreme cases of self defence, but even then I don't think I would ever deliberately hurt a girl) and personally I feel much more comfortable shooting at 'male' enemies. You're not hypocritical, you're sexist. Feminism has fought long and hard for a women's right to be killed on a battlefield. Men shouldn't have exclusive rights to the privilege of dying for their country/cause. ...and it really did work, no wait, most of the combat and workplace deaths are still men. Maybe they should have been fighting less for privileges and more for actual rights AND responsibilities, but no, that would be sexist... somehow. No thinking person believes that drivel anymore. @op: You always can imagine that - in ~200 years or so, both genders might have dropped their natural inclinations for risk/safety and actually started being equal in everything - even war, it is scifie, after all.
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Post by Kian on Dec 4, 2016 15:39:02 GMT
While the op is just a troll, probably positevely giddy at their own "cleverness" after this "successful" trolling endeavor, that opinion does actually exist. There are people clueless enough to have it. It always amuses me, especially when it's a woman arguing it (in various forms). The basic idea with their concept can be interpreted in a few different ways as I see it. To me the entirety of the "chivalry" and "protect the woman" concepts (especially the original non-modern ones) is tricky. It seems to be based on a few assumptions (for example: that the woman is not capable of defending herself - read 'too weak' - and needs a man to do it, or that the woman is not smart enough to think on her own, thus needing a man to 'guide' her, or etc variations). Ultimately I find it ridiculously condescending and revealing a lack of thought process. Most people just parrot crap like "I was raised to never hit a woman" like a magic mantra. Like, chill. No one's advocating you go around and beating women, you silly fish. But some people do advocate treating all people *GASP* equally. For example, [comic book scenario] if a female villain attacks you, you should defend yourself [/comic book scenario]. If you're the idiot who just sits there and "takes it like a man", you'll also be the idiot who's dead at the end of the day lol. Funny thing is this extends to other circumstances as well. The whole <"protect" your daughter/sister from being "corrupted" by the evil boys> falls in the same category. A friend of mine had a daughter a few years ago. While his wife was pregnant I remember one night out we had with a couple other friends and how the discussion turned to the inevitable "I'll guard her door with a bat" bs, that, like I said before, some dummies will just parrot because... reasons. So I asked him why. Of course he babbled some useless brainless crap so I helped out with his implicit message: "So you think your daughter is basically a cow. She can't think for herself or make her own decisions. No. You need to be there to guide her to the appropriate patch of grass or the mean bulls will come and break her with their mean dicks". Of course I wasted my breath haha... My point is, in their attempt to seem not-sexist, these clowns will usually present themselves not only as overtly sexist but also condescending douches. Win-win eh? Haha... To sum it up, it's perfectly normal to see women combatants, especially in a scifi environment (since one can safely assume humanity has made progress by then) and it's perfectly natural and normal that some of them will be on the enemy side. Easy peasy. Just use the one muscle that counts
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Post by MissOuJ on Dec 4, 2016 15:56:04 GMT
It's a genuine question. Where do we draw the line between representation and violence against women? At the off-chance this actually is a serious question... The question of problem with violence against women in media is usually based around two points: the violence is problematic when 1) it is perpetuated against helpless women with the purpose to victimize them (Damsel in Distress, Women in Refrigerators), and usually for Male Main Protagonist Angst / Plot Twist; and 2) when the violence is heavily sexualized. So basically: if they can't fight back or the director assumes you're getting off on it (or both), you should probably ask "What in the fresh hell is actually going on here?" Also, context matters: if you have a game where violence is normalized through context / subject matter, it would be weirder if women weren't involved - and something we (as in women) tend to note as well. And if there are both men and women who in the context of the game shoot / stab at you, I'd say its quite alright to kill them equally. And finally: the ME series has had female mooks from the start ("I WILL DESTROY YOU" ring any bells?) - why start the hand-wringing now?
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Post by Verro on Dec 4, 2016 16:00:29 GMT
Bullets don't care about gender, so why do you? Ever think you might be sexist?
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Post by Camel on Dec 4, 2016 16:01:56 GMT
Killing and hitting women in vidya games is an ungentlemanly thing to do.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 4, 2016 16:06:07 GMT
I understand the need for equality and additional female representation in videos but does anyone feel uncomfortable with the inclusion of female mooks just for the player to shoot/stab or otherwise brutalize? I don't really see how faceless female enemies really contributes much to gender equality. Call me hypocritical but I was brought up with the belief that there is no excuse for a man to ever raise a hand against a woman (except i suppose in extreme cases of self defence, but even then I don't think I would ever deliberately hurt a girl) and personally I feel much more comfortable shooting at 'male' enemies. Step right out of the closet and admit men are superior. Otherwise why else would women need and want to be protected and coddled by men?
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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 4, 2016 16:14:17 GMT
This is exactly why women don't truly respect males who are brainwashed by feminism.
The emotional feminine need to be protected outweighs the mental concept of equality.
A man with the meanness to emotionally punish a woman who screws up is sexy to them. A willingness to harm others is useful when Negan & His Boys roll up.
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Post by ravenous on Dec 4, 2016 16:17:14 GMT
Killing and hitting women in vidya games is a ungentlemanly thing to do. how is hitting/killing an npc female that is not real ungentlemanly, you do know the difference between reality/real life and video games that is not real, also there are other video games, novels, movies, some tv series, comic books that has this very same thing and we all know the difference or should know the difference between real life and something that isn't real life like video games etc
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Post by MissOuJ on Dec 4, 2016 16:19:34 GMT
This is exactly why women don't truly respect males who are brainwashed by feminism. The emotional feminine need to be protected outweighs the mental concept of equality. A man with the meanness to emotionally punish a woman who screws up is highly desirable to them. A willingness to harm others is useful when Negan & His Boys roll up. GR8 B8 M8 And also no. But thanks for playing
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 4, 2016 16:20:33 GMT
As others have said, there is a difference between shooting Emily Wong (a defenseless civilian) and shooting a phantom (an enemy combatant).
Shooting Emily Wong is a crime. Shooting a phantom is a gift to the universe.
Also, the way your protagonist behaves in a game should not model the way you behave in real life. You don't loot your surroundings, do you?
So, I commend you for not hitting women IRL. I hope you also refrain from hitting men. However, if either sex is actively trying to harm you, then please feel free to defend yourself.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 4, 2016 16:21:05 GMT
Killing and hitting women in vidya games is a ungentlemanly thing to do. how is hitting/killing an npc female that is not real ungentlemanly, you do know the difference between reality/real life and video games that is not real, also there are other video games, novels, movies, some tv series, comic books that has this very same thing and we all know the difference or should know the difference between real life and something that isn't real life like video games etc Even society doesn't buy into the myth of gender equality as shown by its actions. Progressive movements for women seek to install social safety nets for them. Those equal to men on average wouldn't need a helping hand.
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Post by commandercryptarch on Dec 4, 2016 16:22:17 GMT
I m pretty sure Camel was being sarcastic. The "vidya games" is a sign Edit: OK, I take that back. Killing and hitting women in vidya games is a ungentlemanly thing to do. how is hitting/killing an npc female that is not real ungentlemanly, you do know the difference between reality/real life and video games that is not real, also there are other video games, novels, movies, some tv series, comic books that has this very same thing and we all know the difference or should know the difference between real life and something that isn't real life like video games etc
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Post by hammerstorm on Dec 4, 2016 16:30:37 GMT
As others have said, there is a difference between shooting Emily Wong (a defenseless civilian) and shooting a phantom (an enemy combatant). Shooting Emily Wong is a crime. Shooting a phantom is a gift to the universe. Also, the way your protagonist behaves in a game should not model the way you behave in real life. You don't loot your surroundings, do you?So, I commend you for not hitting women IRL. I hope you also refrain from hitting men. However, if either sex is actively trying to harm you, then please feel free to defend yourself. What? I'm not allowed to do that? What the heck! I demand the right to take that shiny plate!!!!
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