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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 4, 2016 16:30:43 GMT
I love it when left-leaning multi-cultralists are forced to make a decision.
How much feminism brainwashing will you go with if it means women have just as good of a chance to be killed as men.
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Post by Camel on Dec 4, 2016 16:32:05 GMT
Killing and hitting women in vidya games is a ungentlemanly thing to do. how is hitting/killing an npc female that is not real ungentlemanly, you do know the difference between reality/real life and video games that is not real, also there are other video games, novels, movies, some tv series, comic books that has this very same thing and we all know the difference or should know the difference between real life and something that isn't real life like video games etc It can and it will teach young boys that hitting women is okay. You generally don't see men punching or haven forbid killing women in movies or books.
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Post by hammerstorm on Dec 4, 2016 16:35:07 GMT
how is hitting/killing an npc female that is not real ungentlemanly, you do know the difference between reality/real life and video games that is not real, also there are other video games, novels, movies, some tv series, comic books that has this very same thing and we all know the difference or should know the difference between real life and something that isn't real life like video games etc It can and it will teach young boys that hitting women is okay. Are people really that stupid to make that argument? That is like saying that looking at cartoons when I was little made me want to strap a rocket to my back and hunt a bird....
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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 4, 2016 16:40:22 GMT
It can and it will teach young boys that hitting women is okay. Are people really that stupid to make that argument? That is like saying that looking at cartoons when I was little made me want to strap a rocket to my back and hunt a bird.... Where I'm from a woman signs away the benefits of having a vag the moment she elects to be violent.
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Post by Teabaggin Krogan on Dec 4, 2016 16:42:26 GMT
I haven't been to this section since the old bioware closed down but I'm glad to see that things have largely been keeping up to the old standards.
And to answer you Op, when in doubt, follow Colin Farrell's example;
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Post by MissOuJ on Dec 4, 2016 16:43:05 GMT
how is hitting/killing an npc female that is not real ungentlemanly, you do know the difference between reality/real life and video games that is not real, also there are other video games, novels, movies, some tv series, comic books that has this very same thing and we all know the difference or should know the difference between real life and something that isn't real life like video games etc It can and it will teach young boys that hitting women is okay. You don't see men punching or haven forbid killing women in movies or books. If anything, teaching kids that violence and machoism solves their problems is what teaches young boys that hitting women is okay. This is a cultural and structural issue and can't be simplifies as "female mooks in video games = hitting women is ok!" since violence against women has been around far, far, FAR longer than video games, TVs, or even electrical devices in general.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 4, 2016 16:43:41 GMT
In the ME Universe females can sometimes be more effective combatants than most men.
What kind of idiot wouldn't try to kill Aria or Miranda like they would a man when faced with either?
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Post by Catilina on Dec 4, 2016 16:50:02 GMT
If an angry, hostile woman approaching to you with a flamethrower in her hand and an army behind her back, you can hardly find a peaceful, gentle solution... but you can always try. Good luck for it!
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Dec 4, 2016 16:55:03 GMT
I understand the need for equality and additional female representation in videos but does anyone feel uncomfortable with the inclusion of female mooks just for the player to shoot/stab or otherwise brutalize? I don't really see how faceless female enemies really contributes much to gender equality. Call me hypocritical but I was brought up with the belief that there is no excuse for a man to ever raise a hand against a woman (except i suppose in extreme cases of self defence, but even then I don't think I would ever deliberately hurt a girl) and personally I feel much more comfortable shooting at 'male' enemies. No more than the inclusion of male mooks just for the player to shoot/stab or otherwise brutalize. Why would I? That attitude, as you seem like you already at least somewhat recognize, is a bit of culturally ingrained "benevolent" sexism. And I say that to you gently and without judgment, not as an insult or accusation. As long as the violence against women in the game isn't sexualized, and is equivalent to that against the men, it is a kind of equality. Certainly not as important as presenting variety in important, faced characters, but it has its place and still reflects real-world cultural values. In this case ideas about female fragility, which is, while often well-intentioned, a form of patriarchal condescension. And in this case, of course, the related issue of women in combat roles in the armed forces. They may be presented as faceless mooks, but having both male and female models does imply an equality between men and women in being able to choose to fight for something.
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Post by hammerstorm on Dec 4, 2016 17:02:59 GMT
Are people really that stupid to make that argument? That is like saying that looking at cartoons when I was little made me want to strap a rocket to my back and hunt a bird.... Where I'm from a woman signs away the benefits of having a vag the moment she elects to be violent. I don't know what this have to do with my post. And I don't know where you're from, but what kind of benefit does a vagina give? Bleeding and giving birth? None of this has anything to do with why you should defend yourself or other from an attack, no matter if it is a woman, male or whatever.
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Post by DalishRanger on Dec 4, 2016 17:05:19 GMT
I understand the need for equality and additional female representation in videos but does anyone feel uncomfortable with the inclusion of female mooks just for the player to shoot/stab or otherwise brutalize? I don't really see how faceless female enemies really contributes much to gender equality. Call me hypocritical but I was brought up with the belief that there is no excuse for a man to ever raise a hand against a woman (except i suppose in extreme cases of self defence, but even then I don't think I would ever deliberately hurt a girl) and personally I feel much more comfortable shooting at 'male' enemies. No more than the inclusion of male mooks just for the player to shoot/stab or otherwise brutalize. Why would I? That attitude, as you seem like you already at least somewhat recognize, is a bit of culturally ingrained "benevolent" sexism. And I say that to you gently and without judgment, not as an insult or accusation. As long as the violence against women in the game isn't sexualized, and is equivalent to that against the men, it is a kind of equality. Certainly not as important as presenting variety in important, faced characters, but it has it's place and still reflects real-world cultural values. In this case ideas about female fragility, which is, while often well-intentioned, a form of patriarchal condescension. And in this case, of course, the related issue of women in combat roles in the armed forces. They may be presented as faceless mooks, but having both male and female models does imply an equality between men and women in being able to choose to fight for something. Well spoken, sir! @op: If women were only mooks to kill in the game, I can see that being a problem. But as it stands, currently it looks like they're just like male characters: a variety of developed characters and shooter fodder, of allied, neutral and hostile varieties. If anything, I'd consider that to be the ideal - that they're more or less treated the same as male characters. Also, as others have mentioned, if them shooting at you with intent to kill isn't considered an "extreme case of self defence," I don't know what is. Women can be just as violent as men, women have the capacity to kill - sex and gender are completely irrelevant when you're trying to not die. While there are undertones of violence against women I can understand in the right context, saying killing a female enemy mook is somehow worse than killing a male enemy mook in context of general combat implies on some level that the male mook's life is of less value than the female's - and frankly that's a messed up concept unto itself.
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Post by Saboru on Dec 4, 2016 17:37:08 GMT
Lord above, if you're seriously saying that if a woman was about to glass you, you wouldn't defend yourself you need to get over that. If you're seriously thinking there's no way a woman would ever try to glass you, you need to get over that too. If someone is out to hurt you, you look after yourself no matter who they are. Fight, run, whatever works, but don't not do it because they're a woman.
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Post by Hoge on Dec 4, 2016 17:40:52 GMT
Plot twist: The Kett are actually an all female race like the Asari and will be the most killed enemy in the entire game DUN DUN DUUUUUUN
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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 4, 2016 18:04:44 GMT
My favorite part of this thread.
Even the females are smacking him around to instill reality into his brain.
Women know better than anyone just how vicious some of them can be.
It's men who stupidly buy into the lie of feminine innocence.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 4, 2016 18:10:23 GMT
My favorite part of this thread. Even the females are smacking him around to instill reality into his brain. Women know better than anyone just how vicious some of them can be. It's men who stupidly buy into the lie of feminine innocence. Seems you love the stereotypes. I also like this thread...
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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 4, 2016 18:16:03 GMT
If I have a daughter I'm unaware of, I'd encourage her to get with guys like the OP assuming they're rich.
OP's attitude virtually guarantees any lady with him will get a greatly uneven exchange heavily in her favor.
Now whether that advice is followed or not is a different story. They respect and love mean men whom they fear.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 4, 2016 18:29:59 GMT
In all honesty, this isn't really a Mass Effect Andromeda specific topic, but reasonably interesting so far . For that reason we're doing a sideways slide into the Lobby
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Post by Draining Dragon on Dec 4, 2016 18:32:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 18:34:58 GMT
On the battlefield, it is do or die. These female combatants knew what they signed up for when they chose a violent vocation that may end in the death of their enemies or themselves, if retiring is not yet an option to them.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Dec 4, 2016 18:36:42 GMT
I want to have babies in Andromeda. My Mass Effect wife should be pregnant for certain amount of time. Make it happen.
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Post by Draining Dragon on Dec 4, 2016 18:40:23 GMT
how is hitting/killing an npc female that is not real ungentlemanly, you do know the difference between reality/real life and video games that is not real, also there are other video games, novels, movies, some tv series, comic books that has this very same thing and we all know the difference or should know the difference between real life and something that isn't real life like video games etc It can and it will teach young boys that hitting women is okay. You generally don't see men punching or haven forbid killing women in movies or books. It's not at all uncommon for movies or books to depict women on the receiving end of violence. And it's not always wrong to hit a woman, just like it's not always wrong to hit a man. It depends on the context. For instance, there's a massive difference between domestic violence (which does happen to men, by the way) and killing an enemy combatant.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 4, 2016 18:45:20 GMT
It can and it will teach young boys that hitting women is okay. You generally don't see men punching or haven forbid killing women in movies or books. It's not at all uncommon for movies or books to depict women on the receiving end of violence. And it's not always wrong to hit a woman, just like it's not always wrong to hit a man. It depends on the context. For instance, there's a massive difference between domestic violence (which does happen to men, by the way) and killing an enemy combatant. I think most people would kill or render anyone who is attempting to take their life a non threat and gender of the attacker would be a rather secondary concern.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 4, 2016 18:48:42 GMT
how is hitting/killing an npc female that is not real ungentlemanly, you do know the difference between reality/real life and video games that is not real, also there are other video games, novels, movies, some tv series, comic books that has this very same thing and we all know the difference or should know the difference between real life and something that isn't real life like video games etc It can and it will teach young boys that hitting women is okay. You generally don't see men punching or haven forbid killing women in movies or books. Young boys are not idiots (ofc, not all...), they are young.
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Post by shodiswe on Dec 4, 2016 18:48:45 GMT
I understand the need for equality and additional female representation in videos but does anyone feel uncomfortable with the inclusion of female mooks just for the player to shoot/stab or otherwise brutalize? I don't really see how faceless female enemies really contributes much to gender equality. Call me hypocritical but I was brought up with the belief that there is no excuse for a man to ever raise a hand against a woman (except i suppose in extreme cases of self defence, but even then I don't think I would ever deliberately hurt a girl) and personally I feel much more comfortable shooting at 'male' enemies. Normally and idealy you should feel equaly uncomfortable hitting anyone for no acceptable reason. There is also this stigma associated with attacking weak, sick, old etz defenceless people. Traditional views of women puts them in the same category. Armed and armored female thugs that goes door to door extorting and killing people or doing other nasty stuff can't be put into that category without you looking either stupid or like a supersexist pig that's insulting them to where it almost seems ok for them to shoot you dead Why pull gender into it at all, you should know when it's not ok, and that's pretty almost always the case in civil society. Now if someone s trying to kill you then you got the right to defend yourself, except if they are the law the enforcers of the ruling political power.. Then they got a monopoly on violence and you would be breaking the law.... I don't forsee this game having any serious problems in that regard. Otherwise, there are others who think they should be burried up to their neck and the village shoudl be gathered to throw stones at them for unappropriate behaviour...... So.... are we looking for old medival ideas, or thinking for ourselves?
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Post by Catilina on Dec 4, 2016 18:52:30 GMT
We're talking video games here not real life. Female, males doesn't matter, if you are trying to kill my character or my team you will die- hopefully with gore, blood and finishing moves. Simple as that. Don't bring real world into my games. Oh and Draining Dragon is right^ Killing dragon is a sin: the dragons are rare creatures. Severe financial penalties should be imposed upon who kill a dragon!
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