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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 5, 2016 0:05:08 GMT
I hope it means they'll make the first move or better, you'd be forced to push someone away if they come on too strong. I'm kinda tired of always being the one pursuing the romances I want, and I think it hurts the individuality of the romanceable characters. Not always, but in the long run it does. Have you played some of Bioware's earlier games? Well, Mac claims that relationships will feel more natural this time around... then again, they also did say THAT before.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Dec 5, 2016 0:42:32 GMT
Yeah, if you go back to pre-release cycle for ME3 on twitter you'll see Mac say a lot of things too that sounded really great, but then felt way less impressive in the final product. I don't mean that he's lying, he isn't, he's just giving you ideas that are a bit more colorful than what might be the case.
But I certainly hope the things he talks about will be good. I really want this whole brother vs sister thing to mean something and I hope that romances don't just feel gated by gender when choosing either but more that there are characteristics of Bro and Sis Ryder that attract some more than others.
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Post by MasterJukes on Dec 5, 2016 0:42:57 GMT
Well that looks very cool, but as long as I can romance Peebee and Vetra as SisRyder we won't have any trouble I can accept if Peebee is a BroRyder romance option only (which I think it's kind of impossible, because Asari usually don't care if their partner is male or female), but if Vetra is exclusive to BroRyder, oooh man then we are going to have a very serious problem BioWare, because things are going to burn and heads will roll. Well i'm pinning my hopes on Cora as a romance for broryder so that would work for me. I'll be irate if i'm faced with the annoying peebee and a bird as bro ryder's options. Disliked options in DAI so i'm rather nervous. I'm going to play BroRyder as well and I hope to see Cora as a romance option.. But that get's me thinking after reading your comment, we don't know anything about Peebee or Vetra. What if they are among the best characters BioWare has ever created and are WAAAY more charismatic and fun to hang out with than Cora? Don't you think about this as a possibility? You have hopes on Cora, but what if she is one of the worst characters BioWare has ever created? Of course, the same could happen with Peebee or Vetra. Just saying, it would be kind of ironic Well, wait and see is all we can do about this, but I really hope all squad mates of Andromeda are cool, charismatic and well written.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 5, 2016 0:52:24 GMT
Just don't make PeeBee another Sera, and we'll be cool...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 1:43:28 GMT
Well that looks very cool, but as long as I can romance Peebee and Vetra as SisRyder we won't have any trouble I can accept if Peebee is a BroRyder romance option only (which I think it's kind of impossible, because Asari usually don't care if their partner is male or female), but if Vetra is exclusive to BroRyder, oooh man then we are going to have a very serious problem BioWare, because things are going to burn and heads will roll. Well i'm pinning my hopes on Cora as a romance for broryder so that would work for me. I'll be irate if i'm faced with the annoying peebee and a bird as bro ryder's options. Disliked options in DAI so i'm rather nervous. I would think that every gender & sexual preference combo would have at least one human option among the potential LIs. I doubt any version of Ryder will end up with Peebee & Vetra as the only female characters they can be romantically involved with. They may end up with one of the two as a potential LI, but 5 credits says it won't be both. If both of those characters are LIs I'd bet on them having different gender preferences.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 5, 2016 1:54:57 GMT
Well i'm pinning my hopes on Cora as a romance for broryder so that would work for me. I'll be irate if i'm faced with the annoying peebee and a bird as bro ryder's options. Disliked options in DAI so i'm rather nervous. I would think that every gender & sexual preference combo would have at least one human option among the potential LIs. I doubt any version of Ryder will end up with Peebee & Vetra as the only female characters they can be romantically involved with. They may end up with one of the two as a potential LI, but 5 credits says it won't be both. If both of those characters are LIs I'd bet on them having different gender preferences. Don't bet on it, remember that only ME3 made that criteria, and not even then all of the possible options have been fully fleshed out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 2:04:10 GMT
I would think that every gender & sexual preference combo would have at least one human option among the potential LIs. I doubt any version of Ryder will end up with Peebee & Vetra as the only female characters they can be romantically involved with. They may end up with one of the two as a potential LI, but 5 credits says it won't be both. If both of those characters are LIs I'd bet on them having different gender preferences. Don't bet on it, remember that only ME3 made that criteria, and not even then all of the possible options have been fully fleshed out. Actually the only game in the trilogy that potentially limited the player to a alien LI was Mass Effect 3, if Kaidan had died in Mass Effect 1. It also received some criticism, so I doubt Bioware would make the same mistake again.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 5, 2016 2:08:55 GMT
Don't bet on it, remember that only ME3 made that criteria, and not even then all of the possible options have been fully fleshed out. Actually the only game in the trilogy that potentially limited the player to a alien LI was Mass Effect 3, if Kaidan had died in Mass Effect 1. It also received some criticism, so I doubt Bioware would make the same mistake again. Really? What female on female human option was there in ME1?
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 5, 2016 2:19:39 GMT
Really? What female on female human option was there in ME1? The romance distribution of ME1 is largely irrelevant at this point. Agreed, just saying, BW didn't suffer as much of tokenism once, and their writing was better back then.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 3:03:08 GMT
Actually the only game in the trilogy that potentially limited the player to a alien LI was Mass Effect 3, if Kaidan had died in Mass Effect 1. It also received some criticism, so I doubt Bioware would make the same mistake again. Really? What female on female human option was there in ME1? Fair enough, but there were only 3 LIs in total in ME1. I think we can safely assume that Andromeda will have more. It was also released when Bioware was still nervous about including any homosexual LIs (unless an alien) for fear of criticism. A lot has changed in the last ten years, and ME1 has practically no relevance on what Bioware may or may not do with Andromeda as far as romances go.
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 5, 2016 3:03:09 GMT
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I'm sticking to humans and close human-like aliens (like the Asari), I'm sure some here will romance a bony Khett if it was possible.
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Since I'm straight, I'll go for Cora, PeeBee and possibly the new alien LI. I'm not interested in anything else. However, romance being character specific, I anticipate striking out on one of them. On my second playthrough, I will play the other sibling. Maybe I will be luckier.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 5, 2016 3:07:00 GMT
Really? What female on female human option was there in ME1? Fair enough, but there were only 3 LIs in total in ME1. I think we can safely assume that Andromeda will have more. It was also released when Bioware was still nervous about including any homosexual LIs (unless an alien) for fear of criticism. A lot has changed in the last ten years, and ME1 has practically no relevance on what Bioware may or may not do with Andromeda as far as romances go. Yea, now they get criticized for NOT including any possible combination of gender and sexuality... Anyways... I just hope the characters are believable, the rest I don't really care about.
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Post by blastoandbubin on Dec 5, 2016 3:29:20 GMT
I wonder if romance will ever depend on if the characters actually like you... i.e. that it will depend on choices you make during the game. I hope it means they'll make the first move or better, you'd be forced to push someone away if they come on too strong. I'm kinda tired of always being the one pursuing the romances I want, and I think it hurts the individuality of the romanceable characters. Not always, but in the long run it does. This has always been the way I wished Bioware romances would evolve, where personality or player choices are the primary gating mechanism. Like, act like too much of a Renegade, and certain characters will rebuff your advances or won't hit on you, that sort of thing. If, say, you play a human supremacist (lol, I don't know what to call it, a space racist I guess), then most if not all the alien LI's should not be eager to jump your bones. Or if you repeatedly insult the Quarians when the Geth/Quarian war comes up, Tali should take note of that and not be interested. Basically just a more thorough and advanced approval system than what they've used in Dragon Age, really. That'd be much more engaging and meaningful to me than any of the systems they've come up with yet. And I don't care too much about the gender gating or lack therof, but I would kill for someone to actually flirt with Sara and Scott. At least this time we seem like we're on more equal footing with the squadmates so it'll hopefully feel less like a sexual harassment case waiting to happen if we're still forced to be the pursuers.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Dec 5, 2016 3:46:58 GMT
I feel like the hair he's splitting is very fine. What would be cool, if more difficult to program, would be if your ability to romance a character depended on the kinds of things you said and actions you took. You know, like real life. But this doesn't sound like it will be any different than what they've done in the last couple games, so it'll probably be fine. Though for options' sake, I think I prefer DA2's approach the most. Just ignore all the partitioning and let the players decide who they prefer no matter what character they're playing. *´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
So, you are hitting on someone and the game progresses to the point you find out it's a dead end. Can we now switch gear onto someone else or is it too late (game wise)? I'd much prefer an early clue... Competent writers should be able to give you clues in dialogue to indicate what they do and don't like, and what moves a potential romance early. Telegraph their personality and likes/dislikes early, like they usually do, and it shouldn't be a huge issue. Players will be able to figure out what characters do and don't like, just like DA:O's approval system. Minus the gift absurdity, of course. But again, this sort of thing working is predicated on writer ability.
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Post by derrame on Dec 5, 2016 5:30:33 GMT
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Post by Mir Aven on Dec 5, 2016 5:37:30 GMT
I hope it means they'll make the first move or better, you'd be forced to push someone away if they come on too strong. I'm kinda tired of always being the one pursuing the romances I want, and I think it hurts the individuality of the romanceable characters. Not always, but in the long run it does. I'd be all for someone making a move first. Whether or not I accept aside, it's something that we haven't witnessed so far. I'm just worried Bioware won't do it because I can see some people protesting a character is being "forced" on them. I seem to vaguely recall the devs from a DA game having to reassure people that romances were optional and only player-activated. I can understand not wanting to deal with unwanted attention in a game, but there are people out there that would overreact. Playing as a stalker is obviously more preferable.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 5, 2016 6:46:34 GMT
This is the part of the romance subplots that I find so annoying: the fans.
I'm glad that the writers are being allowed to simply write their characters, without the overriding command, "Oh, by the way, your character must be Ryder-sexual, no matter what." That type of interference destroys realistic characters and verisimilitude in the world, just for the sake of including a few extra romance scenes.
Imagine Dorian Pavus as a player-sexual character. David Gaider would've had to completely scrap his personal storyline for Dorian (in a theoretical circumstance in which someone could've dictated to Gaider how Dorian's story be told). What if Cullen had to be made available for all Inquisitors? No big deal? I think it chips away at his personality. How weird would it be if Solas got down with non-elves? Inexplicably bizarre!
Letting writers give their characters real personalities, complete with preferences, makes them feel alive. People should embrace this as quality story-telling instead of pouting about how they've been cheated out of a digital romance with their desired target. If you want to experience that character's romance arc so much, stop self-inserting and play a Ryder more to that character's liking.
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Post by bshep on Dec 5, 2016 6:54:31 GMT
This is the part of the romance subplots that I find so annoying: the fans. I'm glad that the writers are being allowed to simply write their characters, without the overriding command, "Oh, by the way, your character must be Ryder-sexual, no matter what." That type of interference destroys realistic characters and verisimilitude in the world, just for the sake of including a few extra romance scenes. Imagine Dorian Pavus as a player-sexual character. David Gaider would've had to completely scrap his personal storyline for Dorian (in a theoretical circumstance in which someone could've dictated to Gaider how Dorian's story be told). What if Cullen had to be made available for all Inquisitors? No big deal? I think it chips away at his personality. How weird would it be if Solas got down with non-elves? Bizarre! Letting writers give their characters real personalities, complete with preferences, makes them feel alive. People should embrace this as quality story-telling instead of pouting about how they've been cheated out of a digital romance with their desired target. If you want to experience that character's romance arc so much, stop self-inserting and play a Ryder more to that character's liking. This. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 7:01:00 GMT
I wonder if BioWare is going to do what they did for DA:I (on twitter this time) and straight up announce the romanceable crew and squad, etc. Or announce the number of romances in game and the orientations and such. I hope they do because I get sick of hearing, each time a new character/crew is announced, "I hope he/she is straight", "I hope he/she is bi" "I hope he/she is gay" which inevitably leads to arguments and contention about what is fair and not fair, or which character should be this or that, etc. Just announce it and get it over with before they get inundated with those questions to the point of nervous breakdown.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 5, 2016 7:13:30 GMT
I wonder if BioWare is going to do what they did for DA:I (on twitter this time) and straight up announce the romanceable crew and squad, etc. Or announce the number of romances in game and the orientations and such. I hope they do because I get sick of hearing, each time a new character/crew is announced, "I hope he/she is straight", "I hope he/she is bi" "I hope he/she is gay" which inevitably leads to arguments and contention about what is fair and not fair, or which character should be this or that, etc. Just announce it and get it over with before they get inundated with those questions to the point of nervous breakdown. I generally don't hang around for this pre-release stuff, but if they did so, wouldn't the "I hopes" then become "Why U No Make Vetra Bi, Biovar?! Aaarrggh!!!"? Complainers are going to complain, regardless of the timing of the reveal, I would think. I kind of hate those early announcements. I like to learn about characters as I meet them. That's generally why I skip the pre-release, though. I'll disappear, at some point. I know some people like to micromanage and plan out there initial playthrough, but I don't get it. You know it's going to suck, right, because you'll be learning the ropes? You're also going to play the game more than once, I hope. Why spoil that "first contact" just to plan your virtual love interest?
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 5, 2016 10:18:07 GMT
I wonder if BioWare is going to do what they did for DA:I (on twitter this time) and straight up announce the romanceable crew and squad, etc. Or announce the number of romances in game and the orientations and such. I hope they do because I get sick of hearing, each time a new character/crew is announced, "I hope he/she is straight", "I hope he/she is bi" "I hope he/she is gay" which inevitably leads to arguments and contention about what is fair and not fair, or which character should be this or that, etc. Just announce it and get it over with before they get inundated with those questions to the point of nervous breakdown. I generally don't hang around for this pre-release stuff, but if they did so, wouldn't the "I hopes" then become "Why U No Make Vetra Bi, Biovar?! Aaarrggh!!!"? Complainers are going to complain, regardless of the timing of the reveal, I would think. I kind of hate those early announcements. I like to learn about characters as I meet them. That's generally why I skip the pre-release, though. I'll disappear, at some point. I know some people like to micromanage and plan out there initial playthrough, but I don't get it. You know it's going to suck, right, because you'll be learning the ropes? You're also going to play the game more than once, I hope. Why spoil that "first contact" just to plan your virtual love interest? At this point, romances have become such a big draw in BW games, one might think they actually are dating sims... it would be refreshing to - for once - not know what we'll get our selves into, and just let the story unfold.
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Post by wright1978 on Dec 5, 2016 11:06:13 GMT
I wonder if BioWare is going to do what they did for DA:I (on twitter this time) and straight up announce the romanceable crew and squad, etc. Or announce the number of romances in game and the orientations and such. I hope they do because I get sick of hearing, each time a new character/crew is announced, "I hope he/she is straight", "I hope he/she is bi" "I hope he/she is gay" which inevitably leads to arguments and contention about what is fair and not fair, or which character should be this or that, etc. Just announce it and get it over with before they get inundated with those questions to the point of nervous breakdown. Yeah i'd like to know so i can plan a rough draft of who my first character is going to be and options that will be available to him. I don't want to invest all my energies towards say Cora only to find she's not an option or gated not to be an option to my character. As you say getting it out there stops the sort of orientation bickering that was there before they announced DAI ones.
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Post by helios969 on Dec 5, 2016 11:19:37 GMT
This is the part of the romance subplots that I find so annoying: the fans. I'm glad that the writers are being allowed to simply write their characters, without the overriding command, "Oh, by the way, your character must be Ryder-sexual, no matter what." That type of interference destroys realistic characters and verisimilitude in the world, just for the sake of including a few extra romance scenes. Imagine Dorian Pavus as a player-sexual character. David Gaider would've had to completely scrap his personal storyline for Dorian (in a theoretical circumstance in which someone could've dictated to Gaider how Dorian's story be told). What if Cullen had to be made available for all Inquisitors? No big deal? I think it chips away at his personality. How weird would it be if Solas got down with non-elves? Inexplicably bizarre! Letting writers give their characters real personalities, complete with preferences, makes them feel alive. People should embrace this as quality story-telling instead of pouting about how they've been cheated out of a digital romance with their desired target. If you want to experience that character's romance arc so much, stop self-inserting and play a Ryder more to that character's liking. Well said and I do tend to agree. I generally favor player sexuality but that's more because the fanbase is out of control with their demands of every conceivable sexuality and taste represented in game...the infamous 2/2/1/1 or whatever it is. If each group has to be represented equally even if they represent a lesser percentage of the people purchasing, then I'd rather see a player sexuality mechanic that still allows for a refined core game. Either that or return to the days when relationships were more implicit than explicit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 11:37:34 GMT
Romances shouldn't be playersexual... Making every NPC/companions bisexual to cater for both genders would feel very unnatural and Mac Walters said they want romances to be lot more credible now and having everyone as bisexual is - well - simply not credible.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 5, 2016 11:46:43 GMT
Romances shouldn't be playersexual... Making every NPC/companions bisexual to cater for both genders would feel very unnatural and Mac Walters said they want romances to be lot more credible now and having everyone as bisexual is - well - simply not credible. To be fair, not even having one third of characters be bi/homosexual is credible, and we had that in most BW games after ME1...
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