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Post by spacev3gan on Dec 8, 2016 4:19:55 GMT
- Firstly, I hope nobody buys the game 'in the dark', especially if you are buying it for the Multiplayer. We need to know a lot more about this Multiplayer mode before making an informed decision.
- Secondly, this edition is clearly aimed towards us. I guess it makes sense to talk about it.
So, is there a reasoning for buying this extremely expensive edition of the game? According to the description, we are getting "weekly Premium Packs (for a 20-week period) that will deliver an ongoing boost to your progress". How many packs are we talking about here? 20? Over 20 weeks? Is that like one per week? Based on ME3MP RNG experience, 20 Premium (whatever that means) Packs that award random items won't do any miracles. Besides, say that many packs are worth 2 million credits (having ME3 in mind), how long do you need to farm these credits, one weekend or maybe a week? These credits would be equal to 13 Platinum games, 24 Gold games or 64 Silver games (hey, the game ought be challenging in the beginning). 20 random-loot packs sounds like too little, and one pack a week sounds like nothing. Now say these Packs award 1 guaranteed Ultra-Rare per week, is even that reasonable? I still doubt it. Back in the golden days of ME3MP rewards like these were called Commendation Packs, and they were free. So, what do you guys expect to see from this edition for such a high-price (almost priced as a second game) and why/why not buying it? 26/03/2017 Update:Just a update for this thread. I love the game, I would say this is the most enjoayble Bioware Multiplayer game yet and I would recommend it to anyone who is considering buying it. On the other hand, I believe consumers should be protected from potentially bad purchases and since EA/Bioware is not giving out much information regarding their products, it is relevant that we, gamers, help each other out. So, by getting the Super Deluxe Edition you will receive one Premium Pack a week for 20 weeks. There are two relevant pieces of information to be brought to one's attention here: 1) These packs do not have a guaranteed Ultra Rare item inside them, thereby they do not do miracles in terms of inventory progression; 2) These packs can be easily bought from the Store (if you are a hardcore player or play with such people, you can get two Gold missions done in about 40 minutes and get sufficient in-game currency to buy one of these packs).
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Post by Abramsrunner on Dec 8, 2016 4:24:24 GMT
I expect to get my Avenger II out of the first box.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Dec 8, 2016 8:49:36 GMT
Dafuq I look like paying for anything other than the Base game?
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Post by SalMasRac on Dec 8, 2016 11:20:04 GMT
Microsoft and EA are currently engaged in a pissing contest to see how much AoE Piss Splash they can get on their multiplayer customers
Not sure who's winning atm
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Post by leafspring on Dec 8, 2016 11:25:43 GMT
As you said, we don't know a lot about the MP so it's difficult to tell the actual worth of these packs. I doubt it'll get close to being worth the extra 40$/€ in any way, though. Especially if they go the same RNG route as in ME3.
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Post by spacev3gan on Dec 8, 2016 19:45:37 GMT
Now say that someone for some reason wants to spend real cash on random-loot packs. Fine, it is their money. However, if you happen to buy packs from the store, you get to open them as you buy them. Isn't that just plainly better than opening a pack a week over a 20 week period? Who knows if the game will even last 20 weeks? I truly hope it does, but there are always some risks involved.
It seems like Bioware/EA came up with a U$100 edition for a game that doesn't have anything reasonable to offer for that price.
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Post by Heroicmass on Dec 8, 2016 20:46:36 GMT
Even if they did contain 1 UR per pack, it would still be a ridiculous price.
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Post by Cirvante on Dec 8, 2016 21:06:16 GMT
You'd be surprised how many P2W mobile gamers will hand over that extra cash thinking they'll have some sort of advantage. They'll also buy the UR weapons from the store with real money. And they'll still be worthless pugs.
The reason for this business model is that it works and rakes in mountains of shekels for EA. I've read somewhere that when they implemented a cash shop in FIFA, it brought in 600 mil. That's the equivalent of 10 mil. people buying your game. And as long as millions of people continue to throw their money at them, the business model won't go away.
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Post by spacev3gan on Dec 9, 2016 1:19:51 GMT
You'd be surprised how many P2W mobile gamers will hand over that extra cash thinking they'll have some sort of advantage. They'll also buy the UR weapons from the store with real money. And they'll still be worthless pugs. The reason for this business model is that it works and rakes in mountains of shekels for EA. I've read somewhere that when they implemented a cash shop in FIFA, it brought in 600 mil. That's the equivalent of 10 mil. people buying your game. And as long as millions of people continue to throw their money at them, the business model won't go away. ^ That makes a lot of sense. I have tried to find a reasoning for a ME3MP player to buy ME:A Super Deluxe Edition, but perhaps there is no such thing. This edition may not be even directed at (most of) us after all. Perhaps this edition only exists as a way to bring more visibility to the RNG store. In ME3 the Store was sort of hidden inside the Multiplayer mode, and many within Bioware's playerbase don't really care about the Multiplayer, yet some of them are willing to pay whatever the game costs. Now Bioware has brought the RNG Store all the way to the Origin store, XBOX store, PS Store, etc. People are more aware about a 'pay to win' system in ME:A than they were in ME3 or DA:I. For EA/Bioware, that means profit.
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Post by Cirvante on Dec 9, 2016 1:59:19 GMT
That makes a lot of sense. I have tried to find a reasoning for a ME3MP player to buy ME:A Super Deluxe Edition, but perhaps there is no such thing. This edition may not be even directed at (most of) us after all. Perhaps this edition only exists as a way to bring more visibility to the RNG store. In ME3 the Store was sort of hidden inside the Multiplayer mode, and many within Bioware's playerbase don't really care about the Multiplayer, yet some of them are willing to pay whatever the game costs. Now Bioware has brought the RNG Store all the way to the Origin store, XBOX store, PS Store, etc. People are more aware about a 'pay to win' system in ME:A than they were in ME3 or DA:I. For EA/Bioware, that means profit. It likely goes further than that. They hinted at weapons unlocked in multiplayer becoming available in singleplayer or something like that. So not only do they want to make the multiplayer more accessible to players, they also want normal campaign players to make use of the cash shop. There's an old generation of players who grew up with the understanding that you pay for a game and get to play the whole game. Then came paid expansions which were often quite big and like completely new games content-wise. Then came paid DLC. Then came paid Day 1 DLC. And cash shops, often with RNG. Nowadays we have a new generation of gamers who grew up with these newer business models. Especially the RNG cash shops prey on weak-minded individuals who are predisposed to gambling addictions. There are mobile games that have players dumping thousands of dollars into cash shops just to get an advantage over everyone else. This mobile gamer generation is being conditioned to believe that pay-to-win is a completely legitimate and desirable concept. Publishers aren't paragons of morality, they are businesses with shareholders who want to make a lot of profit. There is potential for so much profit here, that they probably get blisters from all the hand-rubbing. China of all countries recently made legislation requiring game developers to disclose the odds behind their RNG cash shops. This is, in my opinion, a step in the right direction and will hopefully lead to more regulation of what is basically a gambling business in disguise. Luckily for us, the multiplayer will not be pay-to-win insofar as that nothing is locked behind a paywall and even the shiniest ultra rares will still require you to aim and keep track of your surroundings. However, the introduction of prestige experience and bonuses as well as them offering experience cards in the cash shop is another way for them to target the P2W crowd.
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Post by nucleartech76 on Dec 9, 2016 3:28:23 GMT
They can kiss my super deluxe dong. One it's going to be RNG again. Two it will be the same system, so even if you do get those premium packs you're getting a lot of common/uncommon weapons in the RNG generator early. Three even if it's a guarantee of a ultra rare weapon, it's like heroic said, it's just morning worth it.
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Post by leafspring on Dec 9, 2016 6:44:00 GMT
That makes a lot of sense. I have tried to find a reasoning for a ME3MP player to buy ME:A Super Deluxe Edition, but perhaps there is no such thing. This edition may not be even directed at (most of) us after all. Perhaps this edition only exists as a way to bring more visibility to the RNG store. In ME3 the Store was sort of hidden inside the Multiplayer mode, and many within Bioware's playerbase don't really care about the Multiplayer, yet some of them are willing to pay whatever the game costs. Now Bioware has brought the RNG Store all the way to the Origin store, XBOX store, PS Store, etc. People are more aware about a 'pay to win' system in ME:A than they were in ME3 or DA:I. For EA/Bioware, that means profit. It likely goes further than that. They hinted at weapons unlocked in multiplayer becoming available in singleplayer or something like that. So not only do they want to make the multiplayer more accessible to players, they also want normal campaign players to make use of the cash shop. Personally, I don't have an issue with a cash shop as long as it meets two conditions: a) it has non-abusive RNG and is completely detached from the singleplayer campaign. SInce ME3 (and a lot of other major titles since) we can probably assume (a) won't be the case. They might add the possibility to buy things with some form of credits and compensate for duplicates like Overwatch but it'll still be heavily biased towards people that pay money. I did have hope for ( , though, after they got a lot of flak for the shit they pulled with ME3 and the requirement to play MP for the "perfect" ending. If what you say is true, though, ( is out the window as well. Guess it's gonna be Dead Space 3 all over again - with the same potential balance issues in singlerplayer to encourage spending cash...
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Post by Nightman on Dec 11, 2016 0:10:23 GMT
I am big into the single player campaign, so the added bonus weapons and armor appealed to me right away. Bonus material for the multiplayer is welcome, but it isn't the main reason I'm going to do a pre-order for the deluxe edition. Waiting 5 years, I honestly don't mind paying a little more...even if the game turns out to be a disaster = sell it on ebay/amazon or trade it in for as much money/credit as you can get back.
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Post by patrickbateman on Dec 11, 2016 0:36:43 GMT
No thanks FU EAware, I wasted enough money pre-ordering the bad joke that was DA:I, I'm never doing that mistake again. Only a imbecile with to much money to spend would pay for it, I'll wait and buy the game only if the MP is any good.
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Post by Deerber on Dec 11, 2016 11:22:52 GMT
Dafuq I look like paying for anything other than the Base game? * and maybe not even that?
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Post by Deerber on Dec 11, 2016 11:25:57 GMT
Microsoft and EA are currently engaged in a pissing contest to see how much AoE Piss Splash they can get on their multiplayer customers Not sure who's winning atm Geee, I don't wanna know anything about Microsoft, if they're comparable to EA...
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Post by Kenny Bania on Dec 11, 2016 11:29:16 GMT
Dafuq I look like paying for anything other than the Base game? * and maybe not even that? Exactly.
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Post by SalMasRac on Dec 11, 2016 12:41:55 GMT
Microsoft and EA are currently engaged in a pissing contest to see how much AoE Piss Splash they can get on their multiplayer customers Not sure who's winning atm Geee, I don't wanna know anything about Microsoft, if they're comparable to EA... Get this, in Gears of War 4 they are selling "Esports Supporter Packs" which cost $8 FREAKING DOLLARS for a LOW RNG CHANCE to get some hideous RANDOM Nationality Skin from the assortment of however many sad sorry pathetic countries are participating in Gears of War Esports. For only a total investment of around $400, you too can pretend that you are an Esports Champion of your favourite country! And people are REALLY BUYING THESE. So half the proceeds go to support Esports, ok, still steep, but maybe someone actually cares about that crap. From the looks of the forums, 99% of the playerbase doesn't. Let's now consider the previous pack, which had a low RNG chance of getting a slick looking Blacksteel character or weapon skin. Again, low low low chance of getting anything, people spent hundreds of dollars getting the Blacksteel versions of their favourite character. What's even worse, not only were people getting up to 3 duplicate drops per pack, but these were 3 duplicate drops of LAUNCH ITEMS WHICH ARE PRESENT IN THE CHEAPEST PACKS WHICH CAN BE PURCHASED WITH INGAME CREDITS. These Blacksteel Packs were $10 a pop. Run the Jewels had a song featured in one of the game's trailers, so they got headswaps onto existing character models. If you bought a Run the Jewels Pack, you were at least guaranteed to get these two headswap characters, but it cost $20. That's a full THIRD of the cost of the GAME ITSELF, and it's two freaking HEAD SWAPS. Not to mention they are annoying as fuck to listen to, have an Ice-T attitude with a Vanilla Ice persona, and sound like they are standing right next to you even if they are across the map. Or how about that Halloween Event, eh. Any other game GIFTS you with cool holiday items. Microsoft instead opted to CHARGE REAL LIFE MONEY for RNG packs which had a low low chance to collect a holiday item. The rest of the items? See above, three duplicate drops of launch items present in the cheapest packs. The forums are a clustershit of fuck with people actually arguing IN FAVOR of this shit practice. And as long as people are defending and buying, it's going to get worse. In fact that entire community is among the worst I have ever been a part of, even worse than World of Warcraft (if you can imagine that), and when I did a clean install of Windows yesterday I was glad to be done with it all.
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Post by nucleartech76 on Dec 12, 2016 1:25:48 GMT
I just wished this super deluxe edition came with a shiny, spiked buttplug. Hell make it icy hot for lubrication. At least we can lay our cards on the table EA before the RNG has its way with me.
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Post by nucleartech76 on Dec 12, 2016 1:26:45 GMT
This deluxe edition with be totally worth it if I had a mech dog that would shit out thermal clips for me during multiplayer adventures.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 12, 2016 1:45:19 GMT
It likely goes further than that. They hinted at weapons unlocked in multiplayer becoming available in singleplayer or something like that. So not only do they want to make the multiplayer more accessible to players, they also want normal campaign players to make use of the cash shop. Say what? Now they're doing the reverse of ME3. I was coming to a ready acceptance of MEA but this one just boomerang me back to sharpen horns at Bioware / EA.
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Post by inert on Dec 12, 2016 1:54:19 GMT
Base game for me, if I get it. If the MP is any good, I'll get it fairly shortly after it comes out. If SP is good and MP is bad, I'll get it on sale much later.
I definitely will not spend real money to "speed" the acquisition of virtual weapons. The Super Deluxe Edition is borderline insulting - but there are plenty of people out there with more money than brains.
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Post by Pearl on Dec 12, 2016 2:41:00 GMT
Why yes, there is a perfectly good reason for it.
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Post by SalMasRac on Dec 12, 2016 4:39:46 GMT
Just a little strategic thinking here, in case anyone DOES buy the deluxe edition.
DON'T OPEN YOUR FREE PACKS RIGHT AWAY.
If they are the equivalent of PSPs, you don't want to open them up and get common items out of them. Stockpile them up while you are buying the equivalent of Recruit Packs in the meantime, then once you've maxed out your common stuff THEN open all your free packs at once, 20 weeks later.
...Assuming they haven't found some other way to fuck us, that is.
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Post by akots on Dec 12, 2016 6:52:25 GMT
Just a little strategic thinking here, in case anyone DOES buy the deluxe edition. DON'T OPEN YOUR FREE PACKS RIGHT AWAY. If they are the equivalent of PSPs, you don't want to open them up and get common items out of them. Stockpile them up while you are buying the equivalent of Recruit Packs in the meantime, then once you've maxed out your common stuff THEN open all your free packs at once, 20 weeks later. ...Assuming they haven't found some other way to fuck us, that is. Nice. But if the system even slightly resembles DAIMP, it won't work. First, your chest greets you immediately after logging into the store. There is no way to bail out and leave it be. Second, you can get multiple copies of the same things over and over again. Remember, there is crafting and you can salvage the unneeded weapons in only six mouse clicks, one-by-one. It gives hours of enjoyment to salvage everything. Then, finally, you can craft something. It takes only about 30 mouse clicks to craft what you want provided that you have some idea about what specifically you want to craft. If you don't you'll be circling around for much longer. And yes, these special chests will eventually expire. IIRC, there is only one copy that you can have at any given time. So, when next chest comes in a week, your unclaimed chest is gone. If you did not login in time to claim it, it is also gone. The system is really fool proof, there is no fiddling around! What I hope instead is that there will be an option to buy multiple chests. That will ease the pain tremendously.
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