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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 13:15:44 GMT
Let me help you by offering two questions which should help you make the most rational decision provided it's not a money issue: 1)Are you a causal gamer (here I mean not an hardcore ME fan)? Yes, then buy the standard edition. No, then go to question 2 2)Are you heavily interested in Multiplayer? Yes, then buy the Super Deluxe Edition No, then buy the Deluxe Edition No value or money question made as the value is in the eye of the beholder. However if money is the issue then it's pretty easy. Buy the cheapest version you can as gaming is an hobby and not something that should take away resources from your basic needs. But the definition of a casual player varies greatly. I heard anything from a weekend gamer to "only a 3-4 hours a day" classified as casual, and I have also run into classifications based on the difficulty of the content the player is involved in, and the type of activity, or even a membership in a structured farming unit. in other words, what is a casual gamer? And it could be for those who are limited by time or ability, 10$ would be worth it to get into MP with a starter pack and have less troubles wiping on bronze while pugging, if starter pack is decent. your second point is more valid, I think, but really, what is there in the Delux Edition to appeal to every SP campaigner? The outfit? The pet? Not everyone cares. i think, in the end, we still need an answer to the question "what's in the pack?" to decide.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 4, 2017 13:20:24 GMT
Let me help you by offering two questions which should help you make the most rational decision provided it's not a money issue: 1)Are you a causal gamer (here I mean not an hardcore ME fan)? Yes, then buy the standard edition. No, then go to question 2 2)Are you heavily interested in Multiplayer? Yes, then buy the Super Deluxe Edition No, then buy the Deluxe Edition No value or money question made as the value is in the eye of the beholder. However if money is the issue then it's pretty easy. Buy the cheapest version you can as gaming is an hobby and not something that should take away resources from your basic needs. But the definition of a casual player varies greatly. I heard anything from a weekend gamer to only a 3-4 hours a day classified as casual, and I have also run into classifications based on the difficulty of the content the player is involved in, and the type of activity, or even a membership in a structured farming unit. in other words, what is a casual gamer? your second point is more valid, I think, but really, what is there in the Delux Edition to appeal to every SP campaigner? The outfit? The pet? Not everyone cares. i think, in the end, we still need an answer to the question "what's in the pack?" to decide. Semantics. Filthy casual gamers are those that don't bother salivating over Quarian hips, Turian reach and Asari supreme dominance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 13:45:38 GMT
Let me help you by offering two questions which should help you make the most rational decision provided it's not a money issue: 1)Are you a causal gamer (here I mean not an hardcore ME fan)? Yes, then buy the standard edition. No, then go to question 2 2)Are you heavily interested in Multiplayer? Yes, then buy the Super Deluxe Edition No, then buy the Deluxe Edition No value or money question made as the value is in the eye of the beholder. However if money is the issue then it's pretty easy. Buy the cheapest version you can as gaming is an hobby and not something that should take away resources from your basic needs. But the definition of a casual player varies greatly. I heard anything from a weekend gamer to "only a 3-4 hours a day" classified as casual, and I have also run into classifications based on the difficulty of the content the player is involved in, and the type of activity, or even a membership in a structured farming unit. in other words, what is a casual gamer? And it could be for those who are limited by time or ability, 10$ would be worth it to get into MP with a starter pack and have less troubles wiping on bronze while pugging, if starter pack is decent. your second point is more valid, I think, but really, what is there in the Delux Edition to appeal to every SP campaigner? The outfit? The pet? Not everyone cares. i think, in the end, we still need an answer to the question "what's in the pack?" to decide. In my example a casual gamer is someone who like to game but it isn't a fan of any particular franchise. It just like to play a good game and it isn't bothered by pre-ordering or having every single piece of content available. A causal gamer probably won't buy every piece of DLC or content, for the causal gamer ME:A is just a third person shooter with RPG elements, as he/she isn't bothered by the franchise appeal or the lore behind it. In other words my first question could be rephrased as "Are you a hardcore ME fan?" If you are then usually you will want to get the the version that gives you the most content as opposed to the non-hardcore fan who just doesn't care about extra goodies. If someone doesn't care about an extra pet or outfit, chance is that this person isn't a hardcore fan therefore IMO he/she is better off buying the standard edition. Another way to look at the first question is "Are you bothered by not having extra optional goodies?". Most likely a hardcore fan is bothered by that. My definition of casual gamer has nothing to do with gaming skills but more like how much time and money do you imagine yourself spending on this game. More time may justify purchasing all the content. To what concern MP I would say that while paying that extra 10$ might save you some grinding, it is also true that you only will feel the value of those extra $$$ by playing a lot of MP. If you don't like MP that much then most likely you can't be bothered to play it consistently and therefore you won't see any reason for giving that extra $$$ for just a couple of matches. The packs are most likely going to be premium packs with random content inside. You might get good things or bad ones. Honestly I would never spend real money for uncertain goods.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 4, 2017 13:51:11 GMT
But the definition of a casual player varies greatly. I heard anything from a weekend gamer to "only a 3-4 hours a day" classified as casual, and I have also run into classifications based on the difficulty of the content the player is involved in, and the type of activity, or even a membership in a structured farming unit. in other words, what is a casual gamer? And it could be for those who are limited by time or ability, 10$ would be worth it to get into MP with a starter pack and have less troubles wiping on bronze while pugging, if starter pack is decent. your second point is more valid, I think, but really, what is there in the Delux Edition to appeal to every SP campaigner? The outfit? The pet? Not everyone cares. i think, in the end, we still need an answer to the question "what's in the pack?" to decide. In my example a casual gamer is someone who like to game but it isn't a fan of any particular franchise. It just like to play a good game and it isn't bothered by pre-ordering or having every single piece of content available. A causal gamer probably won't buy every piece of DLC or content, for the causal gamer ME:A is just a third person shooter with RPG elements, as he/she isn't bothered by the franchise appeal or the lore behind it. In other words my first question could be rephrased as "Are you a hardcore ME fan?" If you are then usually you will want to get the the version that gives you the most content as opposed to the non-hardcore fan who just doesn't care about extra goodies. If someone doesn't care about an extra pet or outfit, chance is that this person isn't a hardcore fan therefore IMO he/she is better off buying the standard edition. Another way to look at the first question is "Are you bothered by not having extra optional goodies?". Most likely a hardcore fan is bothered by that. My definition of casual gamer has nothing to do with gaming skills but more like how much time and money do you imagine yourself spending on this game. More time may justify purchasing all the content. To what concern MP I would say that while paying that extra 10$ might save you some grinding, it is also true that you only will feel the value of those extra $$$ by playing a lot of MP. If you don't like MP that much then most likely you can't be bothered to play it consistently and therefore you won't see any reason for giving that extra $$$ for just a couple of matches. The packs are most likely going to be premium packs with random content inside. You might get good things or bad ones. Honestly I would never spend real money for uncertain goods. Hahaha. The idea of extra goodies I have are neither marketable nor SFW.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 14:33:35 GMT
Eh, I disagree. As much as I love the game, I have never bought the DLCs, because they cost too much for what they add. I've never paid money for cosmetics in the games, but I've paid a little for practical ways to skip grind or catch up since I can't play a lot, and I am not really good. if the starter pack is RNG based, and RNG is rolling like in DA, it's not going be anything useful. But if it loads you up on medigels, ops packs and cobras, well then, i'l buy it.
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Post by SalMasRac on Jan 4, 2017 14:46:38 GMT
in other words, what is a casual gamer? And it could be for those who are limited by time or ability, 10$ would be worth it to get into MP with a starter pack and have less troubles wiping on bronze while pugging, if starter pack is decent. your second point is more valid, I think, but really, what is there in the Delux Edition to appeal to every SP campaigner? The outfit? The pet? Not everyone cares. i think, in the end, we still need an answer to the question "what's in the pack?" to decide.
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Post by spacev3gan on Jan 4, 2017 17:38:52 GMT
2)Are you heavily interested in Multiplayer? Yes, then buy the Super Deluxe Edition No, then buy the Deluxe Edition I wish it were this simple. Yes, I am heavily interested in the Multiplayer. If it happens to be as good as ME3MP, I have no intentions to play the campaign at least for the first year. That being said, what am I getting from the Super Deluxe Edition? What am I getting from there that I will not be getting by merely playing the game? Why is the reward divided over 20 installments? If I want to spend extra money, why should I not just buy the Deluxe Edition and spend the rest on the Store itself - since by doing so, I would be getting my Packs right away, instead of getting them in 20 installments? Besides all of those questions, it is worth mentioning that hardcore players will play the MP mode for hundreds, if not thousands of hours. And the more you play, the more you diminish the reasoning of spending extra money on Random Loot Packs, since you are likely to be unlocking everything there is to unlock just by playing. Thus I dare say the Super Deluxe Edition seems not to be effectively aimed at hardcore players, but rather at the casual ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 17:50:09 GMT
2)Are you heavily interested in Multiplayer? Yes, then buy the Super Deluxe Edition No, then buy the Deluxe Edition I wish it were this simple. Yes, I am heavily interested in the Multiplayer. If it happens to be as good as ME3MP, I have no intentions to play the campaign at least for the first year. That being said, what am I getting from the Super Deluxe Edition? What am I getting from there that I will not be getting by merely playing the game? Why is the reward divided over 20 installments? If I want to spend extra money, why should I not just buy the Deluxe Edition and spend the rest on the Store itself - since by doing so, I would be getting my Packs right away, instead of getting them in 20 installments? Besides all of those questions, it is worth mentioning that hardcore players will play the MP mode for hundreds, if not thousands of hours. And the more you play, the more you diminish the reasoning of spending extra money on Random Loot Packs, since you are likely to be unlocking everything there is to unlock just by playing. Thus I dare say the Super Deluxe Edition seems not to be effectively aimed at hardcore players, but rather at the casual ones. Exaaactly. The more the person plays per day, and the better s/he plays, i.e. the closer s/he is to some definitions of the hardcore players, the less value the packs are, particularly 20 weeks down the road. That's said, there is a class of its own, the folks who play a lot, play well AND spend the money. But that's in the competitive formats. Seeing that the MP is a co-op, imo it's more about buying conveniences than the "edge" on... well, whom? Anyway, I am back to the point "I wanna know what's innit first". And, tbh, honestly mostly in the Delux with the $10 surcharge. Medi-gels, pls. And, if the outfits and pets are a huge selling point, show 'em! Because, you know, the default gear in those clips looks sweet.
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Post by Spectr61 on Jan 4, 2017 19:11:23 GMT
2)Are you heavily interested in Multiplayer? Yes, then buy the Super Deluxe Edition No, then buy the Deluxe Edition I wish it were this simple. Yes, I am heavily interested in the Multiplayer. If it happens to be as good as ME3MP, I have no intentions to play the campaign at least for the first year. That being said, what am I getting from the Super Deluxe Edition? What am I getting from there that I will not be getting by merely playing the game? Why is the reward divided over 20 installments? If I want to spend extra money, why should I not just buy the Deluxe Edition and spend the rest on the Store itself - since by doing so, I would be getting my Packs right away, instead of getting them in 20 installments? Besides all of those questions, it is worth mentioning that hardcore players will play the MP mode for hundreds, if not thousands of hours. And the more you play, the more you diminish the reasoning of spending extra money on Random Loot Packs, since you are likely to be unlocking everything there is to unlock just by playing. Thus I dare say the Super Deluxe Edition seems not to be effectively aimed at hardcore players, but rather at the casual ones. This. My experience was about 800 hours or so to max out the manifest in ME3MP, more for DAIMP because of it's shittier RNG. So I guess it all comes down to Andromeda's RNG algorithm. If its more like ME3MP, no super deluxe; if it's more like DAIMP, it could be viable. Who wouldn't want the equivalent of DAIMP's Crescent Blade, assuming it's even possible from the super deluxe, without that grind? My guess is that is just a pipe dream, the RNG will suck, and to the grind it will be.
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Post by Pearl on Jan 4, 2017 19:29:41 GMT
Somewhat related, China recently passed a law that in order for a game to be sold in their country, if it has RNG loot boxes in it, the publishers must state the intended drop rate for each item and the observed drop rate. The data must either be on the official site for the game, or available in the game itself.
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Post by spacev3gan on Jan 4, 2017 21:22:47 GMT
I don't really like the idea of laws for this and laws for that, especially in the gaming world. But if it gives us customers more transparency regarding what we are paying for, I have to be in favor of it. It would be nicer if the Devs themselves took the initiative of showing us what the odds are like, but unfortunately it seems like they would not do that unless they must. On the other hand, customers who blindly support this practice are also responsible for it being the way it is.
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Post by Aragorn89 on Jan 4, 2017 23:26:53 GMT
2)Are you heavily interested in Multiplayer? Yes, then buy the Super Deluxe Edition No, then buy the Deluxe Edition I wish it were this simple. Yes, I am heavily interested in the Multiplayer. If it happens to be as good as ME3MP, I have no intentions to play the campaign at least for the first year. That being said, what am I getting from the Super Deluxe Edition? What am I getting from there that I will not be getting by merely playing the game? Why is the reward divided over 20 installments? If I want to spend extra money, why should I not just buy the Deluxe Edition and spend the rest on the Store itself - since by doing so, I would be getting my Packs right away, instead of getting them in 20 installments? Besides all of those questions, it is worth mentioning that hardcore players will play the MP mode for hundreds, if not thousands of hours. And the more you play, the more you diminish the reasoning of spending extra money on Random Loot Packs, since you are likely to be unlocking everything there is to unlock just by playing. Thus I dare say the Super Deluxe Edition seems not to be effectively aimed at hardcore players, but rather at the casual ones. I agree with this as well. Especially the way the RNG has been in the past, you could pay that extra money and not end up with anything significant at all, unless it was guaranteed you would get something significant that is, but I don't think it will work that way but I might be wrong. You could just end up getting useless junk you could get by just playing anyway in the end. If the Multiplayer is good and you keep playing it you could get the good stuff by just progressing regularly and spend your winnings in the store. And maybe even get the stuff faster than waiting every week for a drop. I think I will just get the Deluxe Edition and go from there and not worry about it too much. My main goal is to have fun and not worry about getting the best of everything, or get it right away if that is the case.
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Post by Pearl on Jan 5, 2017 2:13:01 GMT
I don't really like the idea of laws for this and laws for that, especially in the gaming world. But if it gives us customers more transparency regarding what we are paying for, I have to be in favor of it. I completely agree. The concept of the law is against my core beliefs, but it will be a net positive for consumers.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jan 5, 2017 18:21:02 GMT
Somewhat related, China recently passed a law that in order for a game to be sold in their country, if it has RNG loot boxes in it, the publishers must state the intended drop rate for each item and the observed drop rate. The data must either be on the official site for the game, or available in the game itself. I'm also not a 'pass a law for everything' guy BUT having this information available will go a long way towards making RNG loot purchases more fair for the consumer. I have absolutely no problem with a game company enticing me to give them money for in-game items. I also have absolutely no problem with gambling (RNG). I do have a problem when the two are combined in such a way that I don't know what my chances are when I spend my money.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Jan 10, 2017 8:08:57 GMT
Well, all versions are on new year's sale in EU for 30% off so that settles it for me and I'll be grabbing the super deluxe. It's basicaly the same price as the base game would be.
I was thinking about the packs value. If it's 20 packs over 20 weeks and super deluxe is 20€ more expensive, that makes it 1€ per pack. I would expect the higher end packs to cost more than just 1€ per pack in the final game. And if these are anything like the original commendation packs, that's fine with me. But it still leaves a bitter taste, like, I don't understand how can they be so bold to sell this without even telling you what it is and I feel even dumber for doing this. But it's basically free with the discount, and 30% off from 90€ is better savings then 30% from 50€.
I just don't get the 1 pack per week thing. This painfully reminds me on free commendation packs. But I'm sure there will be events here too, I think there were in DA:I as well.
Whoa.. I was just reading the bonuses again as I was going trough the process, I didn't see these before as "preorder bonus"...
"Jumpstart your multiplayer co-op play with a booster pack. Includes 5x of 50% XP Boosters."
Interesting. The super deluxe packs are also called boosters except they're premium.
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Post by spacev3gan on Jan 10, 2017 9:12:01 GMT
Well, all versions are on new year's sale in EU for 30% off so that settles it for me and I'll be grabbing the super deluxe. Are you sure these sales apply for games that haven't been released yet? I have never seen such a thing, at least not on Origin nor Steam. If this happens to be the case, whoever pre-order before the sale will get pretty mad, and if possible will cancel the purchase and re-pre-order to get the discount.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Jan 10, 2017 9:17:56 GMT
Well, all versions are on new year's sale in EU for 30% off so that settles it for me and I'll be grabbing the super deluxe. Are you sure these sales apply for games that haven't been released yet? I have never seen such a thing, at least not on Origin nor Steam. Yeah I know it's a bit unusual but it's real, just got it now. In the other thread they were saying they couldn't see the sale in Canada, must be a regional thing. I would check third party retailers like G2A and GMG at this point, as they could possibly be reselling copies bought from other regions.
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Post by Cyberzombie on Jan 10, 2017 10:34:14 GMT
Permission to pre-order: Granted!
Proud owner off the Deluxed Edition for AU$70! (technically my partner owns it, but meh)
Thanks for the heads up on that guys, it seems to have been removed from the sale now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 12:38:16 GMT
Short sale, heh.
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Post by Cyberzombie on Jan 10, 2017 12:42:14 GMT
Pretty clearly a mistake.
I wonder how many copies got sold in the brief window it was up.
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Post by Draining Dragon on Jan 10, 2017 13:15:01 GMT
Somewhat related, China recently passed a law that in order for a game to be sold in their country, if it has RNG loot boxes in it, the publishers must state the intended drop rate for each item and the observed drop rate. The data must either be on the official site for the game, or available in the game itself. I'm opposed to this law on principle, but it's pretty damn funny that they bothered to even make it a law.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 10, 2017 13:30:35 GMT
Somewhat related, China recently passed a law that in order for a game to be sold in their country, if it has RNG loot boxes in it, the publishers must state the intended drop rate for each item and the observed drop rate. The data must either be on the official site for the game, or available in the game itself. I'm opposed to this law on principle, but it's pretty damn funny that they bothered to even make it a law. I don't think it's a law. Why bother making a law for such things when the administration can just issue a regulation? If everything needing regulation had to pass a legislative chamber there'd be a big stack of unfinished businesses.
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 10, 2017 13:30:49 GMT
Somewhat related, China recently passed a law that in order for a game to be sold in their country, if it has RNG loot boxes in it, the publishers must state the intended drop rate for each item and the observed drop rate. The data must either be on the official site for the game, or available in the game itself. Well, posting the observed drop rate might have prevented something like DICE's recent blunder with BF1's holiday edition battlepacks. Background: battlepacks come in three quality levels, and the lowest level ones are awarded randomly at the end of each match. They contain cosmetic items only - skins for weapons and vehicles of different rarities, with the rarer ones having a higher "bling-factor", if you will. Higher quality battlepacks have a higher chance for rare skins, and they can be acquired in two ways: by turning duplicate items received from standard battlepacks into the in-game currency "scrap" and save that up to buy a higher level pack, or by buying Battlefield 1 premium - the monthly awarded premium battlepacks are of the hightest quality. (maybe the super deluxe packs for MEA will function similarly?) Real money also only buys you the standard level battlepacks. Anyway, about the blunder: the holiday edition battlepacks were advertised to contain some epic tank skins. Some people invested a lot of money into battlepacks during the holidays, and guess what: not a single one of those tank skins dropped. For anyone. DICE eventually patched it, but the damage was done, the money was spent and no one got refunded. Observed drop rates are a good thing.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Jan 10, 2017 13:53:28 GMT
Pretty clearly a mistake. I wonder how many copies got sold in the brief window it was up. Wow, it really is gone now. Guess I was super lucky and my impulse buy got rewarded for once, at least Proof of their blunderStill cheaper than Deluxe, I won't complain.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 14:15:23 GMT
Hey, we believe you. And it was nice for the folks that accessed it. grats, and fingers crossed they won't cheap out with a forced refund.
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