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Post by ergates on Feb 4, 2019 9:16:35 GMT
Glad to see everyone does Feros first. That's the way it should be.
I hope you all take Wrex with you. Wrex MUST be used on Feros, nothing else is acceptable.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 4, 2019 16:27:11 GMT
I almost get that but Liara showing up to "replace" A/K post-Virmire also works pretty well.
However, I do get what you're talking about. I'm doing a new ME3 in which Garrus didn't survive the SM. Not only do I get a very different experience on Palaven. Then I only have EDI, Liara and James until I recruit Kaidan and then Javik. (I find having the VS logical in who I bring to Eden Prime since it's where it all started and A/K were present.)
You do miss a lot of Javik's banter though that way. That's okay. He's not a favorite of mine.
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Post by griffith82 on Feb 4, 2019 16:41:38 GMT
Glad to see everyone does Feros first. That's the way it should be. I hope you all take Wrex with you. Wrex MUST be used on Feros, nothing else is acceptable. Hmmm I've never done that. Any funny dialog?
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Post by griffith82 on Feb 4, 2019 16:42:18 GMT
You do miss a lot of Javik's banter though that way. That's okay. He's not a favorite of mine. To each his own. I love Javik. Especially on Tuchanka.
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Post by ergates on Feb 5, 2019 19:44:17 GMT
Nope, not particularly. He does make quite a nice speech once the Dreadnought is dealt with, but that's about it.
He's exceptionally good against the Thorium Creepers though - his melee abilities together with Throw comes in darned handy.
But from a character perspective, I just imagine him there, kicking his heels against the Normandy, itching for some real action. Feros is the first big mision; not allowing him to go tearing into a boat load of Geth would very likely piss him off quite a lot
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 10, 2019 4:24:28 GMT
Glad to see everyone does Feros first. That's the way it should be. I hope you all take Wrex with you. Wrex MUST be used on Feros, nothing else is acceptable. Hmmm I've never done that. Any funny dialog? I've used him on Freos but I don't think he has any funny dialogue no. The only time I kind of remember is Virmire when he says to eat them. Or something like that.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 10, 2019 19:55:27 GMT
I usually use Wrex and Kaidan on Feros. Wrex can tank during the Thorian fight and both of their biotics come in handy.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 10, 2019 20:30:04 GMT
I usually use Wrex and Kaidan on Feros. Wrex can tank during the Thorian fight and both of their biotics come in handy. I usually mix my groups up the only time I kind of have a set character to take with me is on Noveria where I tend to bring Liara due to going up against her mother Benezia. Other than that I either pick based on what class I am and a little bit of random as well. On my las trun I took Garrus and Ashley with me I think but that was some time ago as I've just finished ME2 in that run now. Just about to start ME3. Same with the Loyalty missions really in ME2 and that I normally mix things up unless I have to bring a certain individual with me. It also depends on my Shep's personality as well.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 10, 2019 23:51:34 GMT
I usually use Wrex and Kaidan on Feros. Wrex can tank during the Thorian fight and both of their biotics come in handy. I usually mix my groups up the only time I kind of have a set character to take with me is on Noveria where I tend to bring Liara due to going up against her mother Benezia. Other than that I either pick based on what class I am and a little bit of random as well. On my las trun I took Garrus and Ashley with me I think but that was some time ago as I've just finished ME2 in that run now. Just about to start ME3. Same with the Loyalty missions really in ME2 and that I normally mix things up unless I have to bring a certain individual with me. It also depends on my Shep's personality as well. Sometimes I randomize but it depends on the mission. I find myself always taking certain squadmates on specific missions more often than not mainly because they fit more for that mission either from a tactical standpoint or from a story standpoint. For example I always take Javik when I do Thessia.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 11, 2019 0:08:03 GMT
I usually mix my groups up the only time I kind of have a set character to take with me is on Noveria where I tend to bring Liara due to going up against her mother Benezia. Other than that I either pick based on what class I am and a little bit of random as well. On my las trun I took Garrus and Ashley with me I think but that was some time ago as I've just finished ME2 in that run now. Just about to start ME3. Same with the Loyalty missions really in ME2 and that I normally mix things up unless I have to bring a certain individual with me. It also depends on my Shep's personality as well. Sometimes I randomize but it depends on the mission. I find myself always taking certain squadmates on specific missions more often than not mainly because they fit more for that mission either from a tactical standpoint or from a story standpoint. For example I always take Javik when I do Thessia. Yeah I tend to take Javik a lot there as well. Though I'm not taking him anywhere atm as I haven't recruited him yet in my current playthrough but that's mainly because I've only just finished the first mission on ME3 atm as I've just got to the Citadel for the first time in this playthrough
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 11, 2019 2:47:57 GMT
Sometimes I randomize but it depends on the mission. I find myself always taking certain squadmates on specific missions more often than not mainly because they fit more for that mission either from a tactical standpoint or from a story standpoint. For example I always take Javik when I do Thessia. Yeah I tend to take Javik a lot there as well. Though I'm not taking him anywhere atm as I haven't recruited him yet in my current playthrough but that's mainly because I've only just finished the first mission on ME3 atm as I've just got to the Citadel for the first time in this playthrough Oh I am still a long way from getting Javik. My current Shepard is about halfway through ME 2. Haven't hit the collector ship yet.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 11, 2019 4:17:20 GMT
Yeah I tend to take Javik a lot there as well. Though I'm not taking him anywhere atm as I haven't recruited him yet in my current playthrough but that's mainly because I've only just finished the first mission on ME3 atm as I've just got to the Citadel for the first time in this playthrough Oh I am still a long way from getting Javik. My current Shepard is about halfway through ME 2. Haven't hit the collector ship yet. Yeah I finished ME2 earlier as I'm doing a ME/DA marathon atm as I finished Act 1 of DA2 yesterday. If things continue to play out the way they are I'll probably be hitting MEA and DAI around the same time.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 11, 2019 17:43:16 GMT
I usually mix my groups up the only time I kind of have a set character to take with me is on Noveria where I tend to bring Liara due to going up against her mother Benezia. Other than that I either pick based on what class I am and a little bit of random as well. On my las trun I took Garrus and Ashley with me I think but that was some time ago as I've just finished ME2 in that run now. Just about to start ME3. Same with the Loyalty missions really in ME2 and that I normally mix things up unless I have to bring a certain individual with me. It also depends on my Shep's personality as well. Sometimes I randomize but it depends on the mission. I find myself always taking certain squadmates on specific missions more often than not mainly because they fit more for that mission either from a tactical standpoint or from a story standpoint. For example I always take Javik when I do Thessia. Just as I like to take A/K on Eden Prime
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Just as I like to take A/K on Eden Prime I consider it a must. If anyone deserves to go to Eden Prime, it's those two. They were the two that were there from the very beginning. Liara isn't especially more an expert than Shepard on Protheans. At best, she has as much expertise as Shepard via "embrace eternity" but the ones who really know best are Shepard, Shiala and dead Saren.
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The only bad thing about doing Feros first (unless you're playing a New Game+ character) is the absurdly high speech check requirement for Ethan Jeong. Is he really such an idiot that he's going to pull a gun on a Spectre, and while surrounded by people who already have plenty of reason to be angry with him? And why is he so much harder to talk down than, say, the warehouse workers in Chora's Den?
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Feb 12, 2019 15:57:56 GMT
I usually use Wrex and Kaidan on Feros. Wrex can tank during the Thorian fight and both of their biotics come in handy. I usually mix my groups up the only time I kind of have a set character to take with me is on Noveria where I tend to bring Liara due to going up against her mother Benezia. Other than that I either pick based on what class I am and a little bit of random as well. On my las trun I took Garrus and Ashley with me I think but that was some time ago as I've just finished ME2 in that run now. Just about to start ME3. Same with the Loyalty missions really in ME2 and that I normally mix things up unless I have to bring a certain individual with me. It also depends on my Shep's personality as well. I always take at least one human with me to Feros, since I figure that the colonists would be a little jumpy about aliens at the moment. Other frequent "in-character" choices for missions - Jack's recruitment - Usually some combo of Jacob, Kasumi, and Miranda, since Garrus and Zaeed may already be on the Blue Suns' shit-list Jacob's LM - Mordin since we might need a medical expert Jack's LM - *Not* Miranda, as we don't need to get sidetracked by arguments about Cerberus Geth Dreadnought - EDI, since we're going to be dealing with some powerful AIs. (Though if you take Garrus, he has a funny comment to Tali about how her drone would confront the Reapers by just floating around and "making that... noise.") Thessia - Javik. Even on my first playthrough, I had a feeling that he might know something about whatever was hidden in the temple, plus he has the most experience in front-line battles with Reaper forces.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 12, 2019 19:38:19 GMT
Sometimes I randomize but it depends on the mission. I find myself always taking certain squadmates on specific missions more often than not mainly because they fit more for that mission either from a tactical standpoint or from a story standpoint. For example I always take Javik when I do Thessia. Just as I like to take A/K on Eden Prime I would to if they didn't sit out half the game. I like to pickup Javik as soon as I can.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 12, 2019 19:40:53 GMT
The only bad thing about doing Feros first (unless you're playing a New Game+ character) is the absurdly high speech check requirement for Ethan Jeong. Is he really such an idiot that he's going to pull a gun on a Spectre, and while surrounded by people who already have plenty of reason to be angry with him? And why is he so much harder to talk down than, say, the warehouse workers in Chora's Den? Honestly I just shoot the guy whether or not I have enough persuasion to talk him down even on my most paragon of playthroughs.
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Post by ergates on Feb 12, 2019 20:00:12 GMT
The only bad thing about doing Feros first (unless you're playing a New Game+ character) is the absurdly high speech check requirement for Ethan Jeong. Is he really such an idiot that he's going to pull a gun on a Spectre, and while surrounded by people who already have plenty of reason to be angry with him? And why is he so much harder to talk down than, say, the warehouse workers in Chora's Den? Same here. I've been playing Mass Effect for years, and have completed it God-knows how many times, yet I've never once managed to pass that speech check. I'd have to change up my mission order if I wanted to do so - doing Feros later in the game, but I never do.
I typically play as a soldier, and my team of choice for Feros is Tali and Wrex. Both compliment each other nicely. Tali obviously shines against Geth, and Wrex is great against melee swarmers.
For Therum I use Tali and Garrus, whose long range skills are handy at the base entrance, and that nasty fight against the Armature. After that it's pretty much Tali and Liara all the way - they are my 'A Team', and those two, plus solder Shepard make a perfectly balanced team. I'll occasionally switch to another party member for side missions, but never for the main missions.
Mass Effect 2, by contrast, sees me frequently mix up my team. I'll need Miranda and Garrus for Horizon and the Collector Vessel, as their abilities seem to offer the best combination for dealing with the Collectors. Grunt and Jack are by far the best option for the Derelict Reaper, for obvious reasons - but other than those three missions I'll just select my team on a whim.
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The only bad thing about doing Feros first (unless you're playing a New Game+ character) is the absurdly high speech check requirement for Ethan Jeong. Is he really such an idiot that he's going to pull a gun on a Spectre, and while surrounded by people who already have plenty of reason to be angry with him? And why is he so much harder to talk down than, say, the warehouse workers in Chora's Den? Same here. I've been playing Mass Effect for years, and have completed it God-knows how many times, yet I've never once managed to pass that speech check. I'd have to change up my mission order if I wanted to do so - doing Feros later in the game, but I never do.
I typically play as a soldier, and my team of choice for Feros is Tali and Wrex. Both compliment each other nicely. Tali obviously shines against Geth, and Wrex is great against melee swarmers.
For Therum I use Tali and Garrus, whose long range skills are handy at the base entrance, and that nasty fight against the Armature. After that it's pretty much Tali and Liara all the way - they are my 'A Team', and those two, plus solder Shepard make a perfectly balanced team. I'll occasionally switch to another party member for side missions, but never for the main missions.
Mass Effect 2, by contrast, sees me frequently mix up my team. I'll need Miranda and Garrus for Horizon and the Collector Vessel, as their abilities seem to offer the best combination for dealing with the Collectors. Grunt and Jack are by far the best option for the Derelict Reaper, for obvious reasons - but other than those three missions I'll just select my team on a whim.
All you need to do to pass the Jeong speech check early is start a NG+ game. The points you previously allocated to Charm/Intimidate carry forward. It's merely set up as an incentive to play an NG+ game.
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The only bad thing about doing Feros first (unless you're playing a New Game+ character) is the absurdly high speech check requirement for Ethan Jeong. Is he really such an idiot that he's going to pull a gun on a Spectre, and while surrounded by people who already have plenty of reason to be angry with him? And why is he so much harder to talk down than, say, the warehouse workers in Chora's Den? Yeah I think it's only worked for me if I do it right before virmire or maybe after I can't recall.
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The only bad thing about doing Feros first (unless you're playing a New Game+ character) is the absurdly high speech check requirement for Ethan Jeong. Is he really such an idiot that he's going to pull a gun on a Spectre, and while surrounded by people who already have plenty of reason to be angry with him? And why is he so much harder to talk down than, say, the warehouse workers in Chora's Den? Yeah I think it's only worked for me if I do it right before virmire or maybe after I can't recall. You only need 10 intimidate. The 10th intimidate slot unlocks with 81.25 renegade points earned. If you start with an Earthborn Ruthless Shepard (20 renegade points right there) and take advantage of every possible renegade decision you can made on the Citadel, do a couple of the side mission planets that give renegade points or do BDTS DLC in a renegade fashion and assign 10 (sorry s/b 6) of your level up points to intimidate, you can pass Jeong's check even with Feros being the first main mission planet you visit.
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Post by griffith82 on Feb 12, 2019 21:46:51 GMT
Yeah I think it's only worked for me if I do it right before virmire or maybe after I can't recall. You only need 10 intimidate. The 10th intimidate slot unlocks with 81.25 renegade points earned. If you start with an Earthborn Ruthless Shepard (20 renegade points right there) and take advantage of every possible renegade decision you can made on the Citadel, do a couple of the side mission planets that give renegade points or do BDTS DLC in a renegade fashion and assign 10 of your level up points to intimidate, you can pass Jeong's check even with Feros being the first main mission planet you visit. Yeah but paragon is higher and impossible to do early without ng+.
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You only need 10 intimidate. The 10th intimidate slot unlocks with 81.25 renegade points earned. If you start with an Earthborn Ruthless Shepard (20 renegade points right there) and take advantage of every possible renegade decision you can made on the Citadel, do a couple of the side mission planets that give renegade points or do BDTS DLC in a renegade fashion and assign 10 of your level up points to intimidate, you can pass Jeong's check even with Feros being the first main mission planet you visit. Yeah but paragon is higher and impossible to do early without ng+. There is a difference though between saying it's impossible generally and saying it's impossible as a paragon. They obviously wanted some charm options to be tougher to get. There's even a difference in the number of points you get for each equivalent decision - 8 paragon vs. 9 renegade and 24 paragon vs. 25 renegade.
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Post by griffith82 on Feb 13, 2019 2:11:11 GMT
Yeah but paragon is higher and impossible to do early without ng+. There is a difference though between saying it's impossible generally and saying it's impossible as a paragon. They obviously wanted some charm options to be tougher to get. There's even a difference in the number of points you get for each equivalent decision - 8 paragon vs. 9 renegade and 24 paragon vs. 25 renegade. Very true.
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