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Post by CosmicGnosis on Jan 2, 2017 3:14:36 GMT
I've always completed the missions in this order: Therum->Feros->Noveria->Virmire. But now I wonder if this order makes more sense: Feros->Therum->Noveria->Virmire.
First of all, Feros is more urgent than the others. It's a human colony that has been attacked by geth and lost communications, basically like Eden Prime. So... why wouldn't Shepard go there immediately? Secondly, you meet Shiala there, who gives us early hints about Sovereign and Indoctrination, as well as Benezia. Shepard gets the Cipher, but the visions still don't make sense. The squad recommends that you go find Benezia's daughter because she might know about Benezia's role in all of this.
After you save Liara, there is an "Embrace Eternity" scene. This is actually a key detail. If you save Liara first, then Liara mind melds with you three times, and one of those melds is redundant. That is, the dialogue is literally repeated (the melds exhaust her, Shepard is passive during it, etc.). It's very strange. But doing Feros first prevents this.
Finally, this order gradually brings us closer to Saren in a rather dramatic way. First we encounter Shiala, who was one of Benezia's acolytes. Then we meet Liara, Benezia's daughter. Then we can take Liara with us to Noveria, where we meet Benezia herself. And then we finally confront Saren himself on Virmire.
Any thoughts on this?
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Post by themikefest on Jan 2, 2017 3:30:43 GMT
For me, going to Feros first makes sense. Its a human colony. Shepard is human. Udina mentions they lost all communications with the colony and that geth have been reported in the area.
After that, I head to Noveria. Another area that has reported sightings of geth.
Then head to Virmire. Blow up Saren's base and get another vision from a artifact.
Therum is last. Why? Shepard is only told that this so called prothean expert might be able to help, but Feros, Noveria and Virmire have geth. Follow the geth and they will take you to Saren and the conduit. Going to Therum earlier, Shepard might lose time in chasing Saren that otherwise could lead to getting to him and the conduit. Unfortunately, it doesn't happen so Shepard heads to Therum.
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Post by Abramsrunner on Jan 2, 2017 9:06:54 GMT
I always did Therum last to get this line when Liara starts complaining.
Starting @ 4:55 leading up to the line said.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Jan 2, 2017 10:21:42 GMT
I do Feros, Noveria, Virmire, Therum.
Because I don't care about Liara and melding once is enough.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 2, 2017 13:33:57 GMT
I always did Therum last to get this line when Liara starts complaining. Yep. Its the only time Shepard can be mean to her. I do Feros, Noveria, Virmire, Therum. Because I don't care about Liara and melding once is enough. That's another reason why I do Therum last. Don't like the mind meld thing. Once is enough with the T'soni character.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 13:35:56 GMT
I always have Shepard go to Feros first, then Therum, Noveria, and Virmire.
Feros is under attack by the Geth at the time the planet is first mentioned as a mission destination, so from a story perspective it does not make sense for Shepard to delay going there.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Jan 2, 2017 14:00:52 GMT
When playing on an easy difficulty, I do Feros first because of the whole 'colony under attack' thing. But normally I'm on Insanity so I do this: 1st: Therum because it's the easiest. 2nd: Feros because it's the second easiest. 3rd: Asteroid X57 so I can level up for the Krogan fights on... 4th: Virmire. 5th: Noveria because the rachni are quite difficult and the Benezia battle is quite horrible with lower class weapons and skills.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 2, 2017 16:05:26 GMT
I did Therum first the first time because Liara sounded hot. And did so in subsequent playthroughs because, well she's hot.
This is ME1 Liara, with none of the problems or mind-boggling favoritism of later incarnations. I actually like her. I like her in the later games too, but that other stuff can't be ignored so it diminishes her a bit.
Logically, I can see people's reasoning for doing Feros first, it does sound more urgent. Only thing I might be able to respond with is getting Benezia's daughter may lead to insights on Benezia herself. The geth are a means to an end, I want the masterminds behind them. Getting unique knowledge may be worth a colony's suffering for an extra day or two. And at the time you make the decision you don't know Benezia, or indoctrination. So her daughter as a hostage/possible pressure point is a valid factor in your decision making.
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Post by illyria on Jan 2, 2017 16:10:22 GMT
I go Therum > Noveria > Virmire > Feros
Therum to recuit Liara, and then to Noveria acting on the information Liara gives. She then goes to Virmire because it's urgent, and I feel Feros makes for a good finale to this since she's able to save everyone there, which leads on very nicely from the defeat at Virmire.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Jan 2, 2017 17:45:41 GMT
If your only concern is about logical story progression, then Feros (most urgent) > Noveria (next urgent) > Virmire (most urgent) > Therum would make the most sense.
Gameplay-wise, if you care about using Charm or Intimidate to pass all checks in a single playthrough, then Jeong on Feros has the highest requirements at 12 Charm or 10 Intimidate. And if you are busy trying to put points into a bunch of your skills as well as Charm/Intimidate, then Feros is best left to later.
So gameplay-wise, I would go Therum (no charm/intimdate checks, low decryption/encryption requirements) first. Then I would go to Noveria next, then Feros. I typically leave Virmire last so I can go Virmire > final Citadel visit > Ilos > Citadel.
If I did not care about the gameplay or class skills, I would end the game with Virmire/Therum > Therum/Virmire > final Citadel > Ilos > Citadel. All the secondary quests and planets can get tiresome, so getting them out of the way first would be my main goal; some side missions unlock while hacking stuff on Noveria and Feros. I like ending the game with just pure main missions if I can. Some secondary missions require you to go back to the Citadel to complete so I try to get those done before forces me back to the Citadel for the last time.
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Post by DerekG on Jan 2, 2017 18:43:51 GMT
I've tried all the different combinations in my various playthroughs, but I tend to go with Therum > Feros > Noveria > Virmire these days. You could make the case for either Therum or Feros being the most urgent - Feros is under attack, true, but Liara is related to Saren's second-in-command and has Prothean expertise to help decipher the info from the beacon. Delaying could allow Saren to get to her first.
I do like the idea of Feros before Therum, though, for the reasons CosmicGnosis stated in the OP. As long as it's not a run where I want Liara in the squad the whole way, I may do it that way in future.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Jan 3, 2017 0:19:23 GMT
I always did Therum last to get this line when Liara starts complaining. Yep. Its the only time Shepard can be mean to her. I do Feros, Noveria, Virmire, Therum. Because I don't care about Liara and melding once is enough. That's another reason why I do Therum last. Don't like the mind meld thing. Once is enough with the T'soni character. For a game that gives you options to be a complete asshole to your other characters down to purposely lead them to their death, treating her like a Snowflake Princess is really what I need less of. If you have her early on, you can't even refuse her multiple meldings. She will walk straight up to you and guilt you until you give in to her. But none of that extra meldings serve any purpose other than having to hear her fawning over your strong mind. Also it reveal the line where she seen a vid of Ilos to recognize the planet. No technobabble about analyzing the visions, what Ilos is, what the Protheans do to that planet and why it should matter especially to a xenoarcheologist who spent half of her life studying the field. You have the visions and the cipher so you know more about the protheans than her. Riiight..
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Post by DerekG on Jan 3, 2017 0:28:22 GMT
If you have her early on, you can't even refuse her multiple meldings. She will walk straight up to you and guilt you until you give in to her. But none of that extra meldings serve any purpose other than having to hear her fawning over your strong mind. It's just 2 joinings in total though, isn't it? In my current playthrough, I've done Therum > Feros > Noveria, with only one joining so far (Feros). Post-Virmire will be the second.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Jan 3, 2017 0:57:28 GMT
It's just 2 joinings in total though, isn't it? In my current playthrough, I've done Therum > Feros > Noveria, with only one joining so far (Feros). Post-Virmire will be the second. Virmire is the only joining that matter to the story . The rest was just extra alien-sex with Liara.
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Post by DerekG on Jan 3, 2017 1:06:57 GMT
It's just 2 joinings in total though, isn't it? In my current playthrough, I've done Therum > Feros > Noveria, with only one joining so far (Feros). Post-Virmire will be the second. Virmire is the only joining that matter to the story . The rest was just extra alien-sex with Liara. That's a fair point. The thread was kind of making it seem like it happened after every mission, and I didn't think it was quite that bad
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 3, 2017 2:43:27 GMT
I do the main missions in the order Feros-Therum-Virmire-Noveria
Feros I do first because as said that one has a large sense of urgency to it. Another human colony is under attack from Saren's forces so you go there to stop them and save the colony. When you are there, you gain the Cipher from Shiala as well as foreshadowing about Saren, Beneziah, and Sovereign but still need help understanding the Beacon. This leads to going to Therum to retreive Liara since she is a Prothean expert and could help make sense of the message. After rescuing her she does just that and that's when you learn the message you got was incomplete. That takes a back seat though when you learn about Saren's base on Virmire and how he is there, so you move in to stop his plan at the source. There, you get the rest of the message, meet the real threat, and plant seeds of doubt in Saren's mind(and has a bit of time pass for that to bear fruit before Sovereign 'upgrades' him) as the objective now is to find a way to Ilos. That leads to Noveria, where you defeat Beneziah and gain that information. But before you can move on it, you are grounded and the rest of the main quest occurs.
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Post by CosmicGnosis on Jan 3, 2017 3:15:16 GMT
Good points have been made. I've always considered Virmire to be the start of the endgame, so I'm not sure that I could ever change my personal canon on that one. Saving Noveria for last also prevents certain assignments from being available earlier, and I don't want them slowing down the story when it's time to go to Ilos.
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Post by mattig89ch on Jan 3, 2017 4:55:32 GMT
I always try to flesh out my team first, so I go rescue Liara. After that I saved the colony (because it was under attack), and then head to the research base to find Benezia.
I always felt like it was the important choice to get your team into top fighting shape. But I can't deny that saving the colony does make a bit more sense. Especially if you have the lone survivor background, and/or the slaver attack background. As you know how vulnerable civies are to being attacked.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 4, 2017 0:42:12 GMT
Aw, what i love so much about ME1: BioWare didn't know they were going to burn their budget like crazy by implementing all sorts of variations to the scenes throughout the game depending on which order you played the missions in, so they actually went all the way with it. I've played ME1 at least 8 times and I still see new things in the main story because for every scene that I've only had once due to picking a different order I have yet to get the renegade responses and such things. I was really impressed with how Liara's dialogue changes if you recruit her after every other main mission is done and she's almost going crazy inside the barrier from isolation.
That said, one thing I like about ME3 though is how Garrus, Liara and James all have slightly different introductory dialogue depending on when you check in on them the first time in their hangout places. Eventually they'll comment on your absence if you ignore them for too long and otherwise if you do it after Palaven they'll talk about EDI.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 14:49:12 GMT
The order in which I usually play it depends on a couple of things:
1. If I'm planning to romance Liara with that Shepard, I will usually do Therum first. If I want to avoid romancing her in any way, I will do Therum either just before Virmire or last (i.e. after Virmire).
2. If I'm not playing an NG+ Shepard, I will usually leave Feros until later in the game so that I can accumulate enough Intimidate points to use with Jeong in order to talk him down rather than having to shoot him. I will also do Feros last, more often than not, when using a Ruthless background... since that Shepard is most likely to be willing to sacrifice lives in pursuit of the mission... making getting to Saren through Benezia (and her daughter) seem more important.
3. If I do do Feros first, it's usually when I do an NG+ game and already have sufficient intimidate points assigned to use on Jeong. In that case, I will tell Anderson that I'm going first to Feros, in which case Shepard will generally say "The colonists on Feros may still be alive."; clearly expressing that he/she is going there to try to save the colonists. This really suits that War Hero and/or Survivor backgrounds.
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Post by Robo on Jan 4, 2017 18:34:57 GMT
I've always gone Therum > Feros > Noveria > Virmire
Maybe it doesn't make the most sense from a role-playing perspective, but that's the order I went through ME1 during my very first playthrough and it doesn't feel right to me when I do it differently.
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Post by Syv on Jan 4, 2017 18:45:24 GMT
Personally, for me it makes more sense to start with Therum. We just learned that Benezia was fully involved with Saren. We could learn much more by approaching her daughter. A police investigation always starts with the people who are related to the suspect. Either to learn more about him, or to help locate him. Liara will be also a very good resource since the beginning at the same time. Also, the enemies are very weak compared to the other places, so I take it as a proof that it's clearly there we should begin.
After that, Noveria. It's again, because of Benezia, and her past activities over there. It feels like she is a key ally to Saren, but also the key that will helps us to find him, Saren who unlike Benezia totally disappeared and didn't let anything, no clues, behind him. We discover the Rachni, and we kill Benezia after finding her.
Now, Feros. My character didn't exactly thought that it should be a priority. The Geth invaded a lot of planets, a lot of people are concerned. He just learned that they had an intense activity over there and they lost contact with the colony. For him, as a spectre, with Saren as a priority, he should quickly locate the daughter of Benezia first while he could, before she disappears. He should investigate. The same for the activities of Benezia in Noveria. Feros could wait.
And of course the last one, Virmire.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 19:21:35 GMT
Feros goes first. It's a human colony in imminent danger. The Geth wouldn't openly assault a world unless they wanted something importent. Hence there aren't any open Geth incurions besides Eden Prime, Feros and of course, the attack of the Citadel.
Noveria an Liara can both equally be considerd targets of opportunity. Neither lead has any direct link to finding Saren other than the obvious Geth Connection. Should Feros have yielded nothing of importance, than the best way to do is probably Noveria, given it's history.
Once Virmire becomes available it should be completed ASAP, As it has the most direct links to Saren's wherabouts. After that there is nothing left but relocating Liara.
One thing though that bothered me about the ME1's approach though is that Udina just more or less casually throws out the leads for the main plot in the docking bay, he doesn't even state where he got his information. There should have been in-depth briefings, both on the Citadel and in the Normandy, concering both satalite information and planetary history, for example the fact that Exogeni was financing the colony on Feros in their search for Prothean Artifacts should have been made clear long before landing there.
On that note, Both Feros and Therum should have had some Alliance presence, Feros was a human colony in imminent danger and it is never explained as to why the Alliance didn't divert ships for a counterattack. Likwise therum is actually an Alliance mining world (Even though Anderson says the entire cluster is uncharted) We even see the Infrastructure the Alliance constructed on Therum but we do not see a hint of actual human activity, not even bodies or signs of a fight.
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Post by capn233 on Jan 7, 2017 2:39:09 GMT
I pretty much always do Therum first just because I know Liara is there and she is the most powerful squadmate. It really is just good old-fashioned metagaming.
But I agree that from a story perspective it might make sense to do Feros first.
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Post by Syv on Jan 7, 2017 2:53:34 GMT
It is only said that you lost contact with the colony and that the geths have some intense activity over there, as much as in many other places to be honest, whether empty worlds or not. It is a small useless colony with less than 1200 colonists in the whole planet. We don't really know what happens there, if it is really important for your investigation ( your mission is Saren and nothing else, let the rest for others at worst ), it might be just something that has nothing to do with your target, while we do know that the daughter of Benezia related to Saren, who could help finding her mother is located. Waiting when you know she could disappear is not a worthy risk to me when you look at the bigger picture. You are wasting an opportunity. The sense of urgency might be there too if you forget two seconds that you already know the story. I am pretty sure that the first time most people went naturally to Therum the first time, obviously in the dark about Feros, which what happened to me too, no idea what I could expect, unless Therum.
It is clearly said that the geths invaded the concilian space anyways, a lot of worlds concerned, which explains the war between 2183 and 2185 to push them back, the citadel wasn't the only place concerned. So I don't really get this Feros first as an obligation. I don't see it as the best choice, unless it is a matter of concern for the colonists and there I could understand a little, but for the investigation, zero point. I don't agree with this is a must from a story perspective. No it isn't.
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