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Post by Sonya on Dec 16, 2019 18:43:36 GMT
My thoughts while playing and even roleplaying (I do that only in such cases, what to chooose/whom to save):
1) Therum? I already know that Benezia, a powerful woman, sided with Saren. So what so important can her daughter add? If there is some info from her, it can wait because of the following reasons;
2) Norevia: it's all about money, corporations, studies, rerearch. So Saren had business there, gave money, had some reserch there,. It's worth investigating actually first but there is point 3 in my mind;
3) Feros: a human colony in the middle of nowehere with depressing landscape (you can get descriptions of each planet and not only from Udina, from some volus too). So my first thouht was "What the hell has Saren forgot on Feros?" In comparison with other places it looks very supicious. Simple human colony with Research corporation somewhere there. The whole planet looks like after a nuclear war. There must be something very useful and imporatant Saren found there.
4) Then Virmire because I don't need those clones running around with shotguns (STG has obviously found something worth investigating and turned out is was really worth going there).
And the first place I go is usully Feros. Sometimes I go to Noveria first just to mix destinations.
Therum is ALWAYS the last.
That's how I would have done it in Shep's shoes.
And now involving personnal views. Feros/Noveria first. Therum is always the last to yell at Liara beacuse of her stupidity (no time to waste, pull yourself together + that stupid melding, where one is enough as it turned out). Don't care how powerful Liara is, don't like this character srarting from ME1 (many reasons for that but it's not the topic about it to explain).
Feros/Noveria - Verimire- Therum
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Post by winterking on Jan 10, 2020 11:43:05 GMT
I always do Noveria and Virmire last. I mostly do Feros first but sometimes I switch it with Therum.
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Post by myalzalean on Feb 26, 2020 14:21:39 GMT
This contains spoilers for ME1 obviously.
The one thing that always bugged me about the mission order is how they relate to the race for the conduit.
In order to reach the conduit Saren and Shepard both need the prothean cipher and the location for the Mu relay.
The cipher is acquired on Feros and the relay location is learned on Noveria.
It never made sense to me that once Saren had the relay location and the cipher why he would delay going after the conduit for any reason, especially for an encounter on Virmire.
After a couple of playthroughs it always made the most sense to me that Noveria would be the last mission world before Ilos as both Saren and Shepard would be getting the last piece of the puzzle to go after the conduit at nearly the same time.
The same logic works for Feros, but I can't see waiting until the last mission to investigate a human colony under attack by the geth, so Noveria is always the last mission world for me.
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Post by winterking on Feb 26, 2020 15:39:00 GMT
One thing I do is never to leave Noveria or Feros as the last mission.
After Feros and Noveria, you get two new clusters with side missions. I don't like to side missions before Ilos because the game gives you a sense of urgency that you really need to go Ilos ASAP after you steal the Normandy.
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Post by myalzalean on Feb 26, 2020 16:05:16 GMT
One thing I do is never to leave Noveria or Feros as the last mission. After Feros and Noveria, you get two new clusters with side missions. I don't like to side missions before Ilos because the game gives you a sense of urgency that you really need to go Ilos ASAP after you steal the Normandy.
If I remember correctly completing the Noveria mission only opens up the Styx Theta cluster but doesn't add any assignments to the journal.
Unless you are just really wanting to complete the listening post and depot side quests Shepard can steal the Normandy and set course for Ilos being none the wiser that these assignments even exist.
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Post by DerekG on Feb 26, 2020 16:52:27 GMT
This contains spoilers for ME1 obviously. The one thing that always bugged me about the mission order is how they relate to the race for the conduit. In order to reach the conduit Saren and Shepard both need the prothean cipher and the location for the Mu relay. The cipher is acquired on Feros and the relay location is learned on Noveria. It never made sense to me that once Saren had the relay location and the cipher why he would delay going after the conduit for any reason, especially for an encounter on Virmire. After a couple of playthroughs it always made the most sense to me that Noveria would be the last mission world before Ilos as both Saren and Shepard would be getting the last piece of the puzzle to go after the conduit at nearly the same time. The same logic works for Feros, but I can't see waiting until the last mission to investigate a human colony under attack by the geth, so Noveria is always the last mission world for me. The cipher and the Mu relay location isn't enough, you also need to learn that the Conduit is on Ilos. You get that info from the undamaged beacon on Virmire. If you do Virmire after Noveria, you can ask Liara why she never mentioned Ilos before. She responds that the Mu relay connects to dozens of systems and without the info from the Virmire beacon she had no way of knowing that Ilos was the planet they wanted.
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Post by myalzalean on Feb 26, 2020 17:18:39 GMT
The cipher and the Mu relay location isn't enough, you also need to learn that the Conduit is on Ilos. You get that info from the undamaged beacon on Virmire. If you do Virmire after Noveria, you can ask Liara why she never mentioned Ilos before. She responds that the Mu relay connects to dozens of systems and without the info from the Virmire beacon she had no way of knowing that Ilos was the planet they wanted.
That's right, but that's why the timing always bugged me if I did Noveria before Virmire.
Saren already knows the conduit is on Ilos from the cipher and beacon on Virmire, he only needs the location of the Mu relay from the Rachni Queen on Noveria.
Once he has that from Benezia he can head straight for Ilos while Shepard still needs to go to Virmire to learn about Ilos. It never made sense to me for Saren to abandon going to Ilos just to go back to Virmire to confront Shepard.
My ideal mission order goes like this:
Feros - Human colony reports geth attack then goes dark, this becomes a high priority for Shepard. Shepard gains the prothean cipher and intel on Benezia and indoctrination from Shiala.
Virmire - Council provides intel that Saren may be on Virmire where Shepard encounters the undamaged prothean beacon. Talks to Sovereign as a bonus.
Therum - Shepard decides to find Liara to try and gain insight on both her mother and the conduit. Liara mind melds Shepard and learns the conduit is on Ilos, but still needs the location of the Mu relay.
Noveria - Out of leads Shepard heads to Noveria to follow up on the reports of geth and discovers Benezia is already there leading to the location of the Mu relay. Benezia admits she had just sent the Mu relay coordinates to Saren thereby limiting the amount of a head start he can have on Shepard in getting to Ilos.
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Post by winterking on Feb 26, 2020 17:44:45 GMT
One thing I do is never to leave Noveria or Feros as the last mission. After Feros and Noveria, you get two new clusters with side missions. I don't like to side missions before Ilos because the game gives you a sense of urgency that you really need to go Ilos ASAP after you steal the Normandy.
If I remember correctly completing the Noveria mission only opens up the Styx Theta cluster but doesn't add any assignments to the journal.
Unless you are just really wanting to complete the listening post and depot side quests Shepard can steal the Normandy and set course for Ilos being none the wiser that these assignments even exist.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 26, 2020 17:59:03 GMT
Just as I like to take A/K on Eden Prime I would to if they didn't sit out half the game. I like to pickup Javik as soon as I can. Yeah I tend to wantt oge tas much recruitment don eas earl yas I can in these games s I have options fo rmixin gthings up.Obviousl yin cases like Tali in ME2 and 3 when you can' tpick her up unti lhal fwa ythrouhg the game I just make do but I still try to rcruit companions as earl yas possible Even when playing ME1 I tend to either go straight from the Citadel to Therum to pick Liara up or pick her up after clearing Feros bu tthose 2 are almos talways my firs t2 quests after the first Citadel visit. That's my usual pattern though on my next run I'll probably chang things around a little bit given I'm thinking playing a different type of Shep to the way I usually approach it.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 26, 2020 18:10:39 GMT
One thing I do is never to leave Noveria or Feros as the last mission. After Feros and Noveria, you get two new clusters with side missions. I don't like to side missions before Ilos because the game gives you a sense of urgency that you really need to go Ilos ASAP after you steal the Normandy.
If I remember correctly completing the Noveria mission only opens up the Styx Theta cluster but doesn't add any assignments to the journal.
Unless you are just really wanting to complete the listening post and depot side quests Shepard can steal the Normandy and set course for Ilos being none the wiser that these assignments even exist.
The only side quest I onl yten dt oleav elate is the Geth outpost ques twith info for Tali. Mainly because you don' treally know unless you hack a cretain terminal on Virmier that the Geth are heavil yactive in the Armstrong cluster. BHecause I tend to d oVirmire prior to the finale I don' ttend to get a chance to do that mission for Tali until after I've made my final visit to the Citadel. I thin kit generall ydepends on wha torder you choos et odo things in. Personally I tend to do Virmier last and either Feros or Therum first. Noveria is generally my mid game planet mostly because I like to have Liara with me when doing it.
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Post by winterking on Feb 26, 2020 18:38:46 GMT
If I remember correctly completing the Noveria mission only opens up the Styx Theta cluster but doesn't add any assignments to the journal.
Unless you are just really wanting to complete the listening post and depot side quests Shepard can steal the Normandy and set course for Ilos being none the wiser that these assignments even exist.
The only side quest I onl yten dt oleav elate is the Geth outpost ques twith info for Tali. Mainly because you don' treally know unless you hack a cretain terminal on Virmier that the Geth are heavil yactive in the Armstrong cluster. BHecause I tend to d oVirmire prior to the finale I don' ttend to get a chance to do that mission for Tali until after I've made my final visit to the Citadel. I thin kit generall ydepends on wha torder you choos et odo things in. Personally I tend to do Virmier last and either Feros or Therum first. Noveria is generally my mid game planet mostly because I like to have Liara with me when doing it. I might be incorrect but I think the terminal that gives you the mission for the geth incursion is in Feros |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 26, 2020 19:37:46 GMT
The only side quest I onl yten dt oleav elate is the Geth outpost ques twith info for Tali. Mainly because you don' treally know unless you hack a cretain terminal on Virmier that the Geth are heavil yactive in the Armstrong cluster. BHecause I tend to d oVirmire prior to the finale I don' ttend to get a chance to do that mission for Tali until after I've made my final visit to the Citadel. I thin kit generall ydepends on wha torder you choos et odo things in. Personally I tend to do Virmier last and either Feros or Therum first. Noveria is generally my mid game planet mostly because I like to have Liara with me when doing it. I might be incorrect but I think the terminal that gives you the mission for the geth incursion is in Feros Noit's definitely onVirmier as I remembe rreading it as it's Saren that OK's it. As th terminal's inside Saren's base there. I remember it as I'm doing a trilog yrun atm and I not long ago played ME1 though I'm on ME3 now doing the Cure the Genophage quest on Tuchanka.
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Post by winterking on Feb 27, 2020 10:09:28 GMT
I might be incorrect but I think the terminal that gives you the mission for the geth incursion is in Feros Noit's definitely onVirmier as I remembe rreading it as it's Saren that OK's it. As th terminal's inside Saren's base there. I remember it as I'm doing a trilog yrun atm and I not long ago played ME1 though I'm on ME3 now doing the Cure the Genophage quest on Tuchanka. Apparently you can get the mission in terminals in both Feros and Virmire according to the Mass Effect wiki.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 27, 2020 11:25:39 GMT
Noit's definitely onVirmier as I remembe rreading it as it's Saren that OK's it. As th terminal's inside Saren's base there. I remember it as I'm doing a trilog yrun atm and I not long ago played ME1 though I'm on ME3 now doing the Cure the Genophage quest on Tuchanka. Apparently you can get the mission in terminals in both Feros and Virmire according to the Mass Effect wiki. Well I've never found the Feros one only Virmire's
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Post by winterking on Feb 27, 2020 13:43:48 GMT
Apparently you can get the mission in terminals in both Feros and Virmire according to the Mass Effect wiki. Well I've never found the Feros one only Virmire's It's in Exogeni headquarters. I think it's right in the area where you cut the claw of the geth ship.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 27, 2020 15:07:34 GMT
Well I've never found the Feros one only Virmire's It's in Exogeni headquarters. I think it's right in the area where you cut the claw of the geth ship. It's probably because I can't unlock it then as I'm too low levelled thenas Feros is one of the first missions I do in the game whereas I tend to do Virmire as late as possible really. Mostly because I want to keep both Ashley and Kaidan alive for as long as possibe given that at the end of that misoin you have to say goodbye to one of them given they die.
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Post by sassafrassa on Mar 8, 2020 20:30:09 GMT
That's right, but that's why the timing always bugged me if I did Noveria before Virmire. Saren already knows the conduit is on Ilos from the cipher and beacon on Virmire, he only needs the location of the Mu relay from the Rachni Queen on Noveria. Once he has that from Benezia he can head straight for Ilos while Shepard still needs to go to Virmire to learn about Ilos. It never made sense to me for Saren to abandon going to Ilos just to go back to Virmire to confront Shepard.
You raise a good point, but what might explain Saren's behavior is that he doesn't have Liara. That is one advantage Shepard has. Without Liara how is Saren to know to go to Ilos? Shepard needs Liara to make that connection for him. So it could be that even though Saren has the complete vision along with the Cipher, and the location of the Mu relay, he still takes longer to figure out which world he is looking for. Granted, now that I think of it, we then need to explain why he was looking for the Mu relay in the first place. There could be many explanations, but we'd just be writing our own material to fill in this plot hole in that case. |
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 25, 2020 23:02:53 GMT
Hanako's order of Feros-Therum-Virmire-Noveria makes sense to me, as a matter of pure story progression. Think I'll follow that this time around. I do wish that you didn't have to save Therum for your very last destination to get the emancipated Liara dialogue. For one thing it's way more plausible for her to have been trapped for days - or longer - by the time we decide to search for her no matter what order we do the missions in, than her triggering that stasis field and us deciding to search for her mysteriously coinciding for no reason. For another, Shepard and co. digging her out of that Prothean ruin seems much more impactful if she was at her very limit when they found her. And I know rescue romances aren't what they used to be, but it sure would add something to a potential relationship for Shep to have found her when she was losing her mind, dragging her back to the world. Unfortunately, because you'd have to wait until just before the endgame to retrieve her in order to get that dialogue, you barely have any time to get to know her.  Which makes for a very rushed rescue romance. And you lose out on the chance to kill her mother together too. Double bummer. If I ever play the game on PC, I might look for a mod or console solution to just make that dialogue her standard upon finding her. |
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Post by winterking on Jun 12, 2021 11:50:22 GMT
Sometimes I switch Feros and Therum, depending on which Shepard I'm playing but I always leave Virmire for last.
I don't like doing side missions between the moment you steal the Normandy and Ilos and I think that the only missions that don't open new star systems to explore are Virmire and Therum so I never leave Noveria or Feros as the last mission you go before you are grounded.
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Sometimes I switch Feros and Therum, depending on which Shepard I'm playing but I always leave Virmire for last. I don't like doing side missions between the moment you steal the Normandy and Ilos and I think that the only missions that don't open new star systems to explore are Virmire and Therum so I never leave Noveria or Feros as the last mission you go before you are grounded. That's my reasoning as well...Virmire is always last.
The rest depends on the playthrough. I often do them in order mentioned, which means Feros, Noveria, and then Therum. This locks out the Liara romance as effectively as doing Therum last but still allows Shepard to express a developing interest in Liara (if my ultimate plan for the run is to romance her in ME3). To me, the dialogue makes the most sense when the missions are done in that order. I will, on occasion, flip it to do Therum before Noveria if I'm wanting to romance Liara in ME1.
For side missions, I try to do the ones that offer paragon or renegade points as early as possible, so that I'm more able to make the charm/intimidate decisions I want within the main missions. Other than that, I scatter the side missions in between the main quests based on being en route to my eventual destination (as much as the game allows).
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 12, 2021 12:41:07 GMT
The only bad thing about doing Feros first (unless you're playing a New Game+ character) is the absurdly high speech check requirement for Ethan Jeong. Is he really such an idiot that he's going to pull a gun on a Spectre, and while surrounded by people who already have plenty of reason to be angry with him? And why is he so much harder to talk down than, say, the warehouse workers in Chora's Den? Same here. I've been playing Mass Effect for years, and have completed it God-knows how many times, yet I've never once managed to pass that speech check. I'd have to change up my mission order if I wanted to do so - doing Feros later in the game, but I never do.
I typically play as a soldier, and my team of choice for Feros is Tali and Wrex. Both compliment each other nicely. Tali obviously shines against Geth, and Wrex is great against melee swarmers.
For Therum I use Tali and Garrus, whose long range skills are handy at the base entrance, and that nasty fight against the Armature. After that it's pretty much Tali and Liara all the way - they are my 'A Team', and those two, plus solder Shepard make a perfectly balanced team. I'll occasionally switch to another party member for side missions, but never for the main missions.
Mass Effect 2, by contrast, sees me frequently mix up my team. I'll need Miranda and Garrus for Horizon and the Collector Vessel, as their abilities seem to offer the best combination for dealing with the Collectors. Grunt and Jack are by far the best option for the Derelict Reaper, for obvious reasons - but other than those three missions I'll just select my team on a whim.
Yeah I don' tthink I'v eever pased i teither. I may hav edon eonce when I played the game in a different or5der but don't really remember. My usuaql star tpoints ae reithe rFeros o rTherum first then the other one then moving onto Noveria then Virmire. I usuall yd oVirmier last so I can ge tthe mos tof Ashley/Kaidan befoer leaving one of them to die. Plu syou know about the other places firs tyou don't know about Virmier until the council informs you about it later so i tmakes me think I should follow up the leads I do have first then deal with that one. At least that6's generally how my Shep's play it.
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Same here. I've been playing Mass Effect for years, and have completed it God-knows how many times, yet I've never once managed to pass that speech check. I'd have to change up my mission order if I wanted to do so - doing Feros later in the game, but I never do.
I typically play as a soldier, and my team of choice for Feros is Tali and Wrex. Both compliment each other nicely. Tali obviously shines against Geth, and Wrex is great against melee swarmers.
For Therum I use Tali and Garrus, whose long range skills are handy at the base entrance, and that nasty fight against the Armature. After that it's pretty much Tali and Liara all the way - they are my 'A Team', and those two, plus solder Shepard make a perfectly balanced team. I'll occasionally switch to another party member for side missions, but never for the main missions.
Mass Effect 2, by contrast, sees me frequently mix up my team. I'll need Miranda and Garrus for Horizon and the Collector Vessel, as their abilities seem to offer the best combination for dealing with the Collectors. Grunt and Jack are by far the best option for the Derelict Reaper, for obvious reasons - but other than those three missions I'll just select my team on a whim.
Yeah I don' tthink I'v eever pased i teither. I may hav edon eonce when I played the game in a different or5der but don't really remember. My usuaql star tpoints ae reithe rFeros o rTherum first then the other one then moving onto Noveria then Virmire. I usuall yd oVirmier last so I can ge tthe mos tof Ashley/Kaidan befoer leaving one of them to die. Plu syou know about the other places firs tyou don't know about Virmier until the council informs you about it later so i tmakes me think I should follow up the leads I do have first then deal with that one. At least that6's generally how my Shep's play it. I pass it every third playthrough. That's because I play through in such a way that I'll get 4 free charm and/or 4 free intimidate every run, which unlocks the 12 slots on my first run... so by time I get to Feros on my second NG+ with that character, I'll have the necessary 12 points in one or the other pass the speech check (even though I tend to not put level up points into either charm or intimidate)
I like saving him, but I have no idea though why they decided to make that one that hard to pass. I can understand Saren being as 12-point check at the end of the game, but why Jeong is that hard baffles me. I have to believe that, at one time, they might have had more of a plan for how his being alive might matter in ME2 or ME3 and perhaps that got scrapped somewhere along the way.
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Hanako's order of Feros-Therum-Virmire-Noveria makes sense to me, as a matter of pure story progression. Think I'll follow that this time around. I do wish that you didn't have to save Therum for your very last destination to get the emancipated Liara dialogue. For one thing it's way more plausible for her to have been trapped for days - or longer - by the time we decide to search for her no matter what order we do the missions in, than her triggering that stasis field and us deciding to search for her mysteriously coinciding for no reason. For another, Shepard and co. digging her out of that Prothean ruin seems much more impactful if she was at her very limit when they found her. And I know rescue romances aren't what they used to be, but it sure would add something to a potential relationship for Shep to have found her when she was losing her mind, dragging her back to the world. Unfortunately, because you'd have to wait until just before the endgame to retrieve her in order to get that dialogue, you barely have any time to get to know her. Which makes for a very rushed rescue romance. And you lose out on the chance to kill her mother together too. Double bummer. If I ever play the game on PC, I might look for a mod or console solution to just make that dialogue her standard upon finding her. You don't have to leave Therum until last to get the emanciated Liara dialogue. I get it all the time and I generally do Therum third (before Virmire, but after Feros and Noveria).
I don't think it makes a difference, but just in case - I do most side missions before Therum as well. By the time I get to Virmire, I've pretty much done every side mission that is doable for that character (i.e. it may not include one or both of the morality quests).
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 12, 2021 21:42:23 GMT
Yeah I don' tthink I'v eever pased i teither. I may hav edon eonce when I played the game in a different or5der but don't really remember. My usuaql star tpoints ae reithe rFeros o rTherum first then the other one then moving onto Noveria then Virmire. I usuall yd oVirmier last so I can ge tthe mos tof Ashley/Kaidan befoer leaving one of them to die. Plu syou know about the other places firs tyou don't know about Virmier until the council informs you about it later so i tmakes me think I should follow up the leads I do have first then deal with that one. At least that6's generally how my Shep's play it. I pass it every third playthrough. That's because I play through in such a way that I'll get 4 free charm and/or 4 free intimidate every run, which unlocks the 12 slots on my first run... so by time I get to Feros on my second NG+ with that character, I'll have the necessary 12 points in one or the other pass the speech check (even though I tend to not put level up points into either charm or intimidate)
I like saving him, but I have no idea though why they decided to make that one that hard to pass. I can understand Saren being as 12-point check at the end of the game, but why Jeong is that hard baffles me. I have to believe that, at one time, they might have had more of a plan for how his being alive might matter in ME2 or ME3 and perhaps that got scrapped somewhere along the way. Yeah I don't know why they made it as hard t opas sas tha tbecause it seems obvgfious t ome gameplay and even stor ywise that you feel you should go there right away given it is another colony unde rattack scenario tha tyou are needing to deal with. Given Jeong is the on ecausing the problems though I'm not tha tbothered about having to kill him.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 12, 2021 21:45:14 GMT
Hanako's order of Feros-Therum-Virmire-Noveria makes sense to me, as a matter of pure story progression. Think I'll follow that this time around. I do wish that you didn't have to save Therum for your very last destination to get the emancipated Liara dialogue. For one thing it's way more plausible for her to have been trapped for days - or longer - by the time we decide to search for her no matter what order we do the missions in, than her triggering that stasis field and us deciding to search for her mysteriously coinciding for no reason. For another, Shepard and co. digging her out of that Prothean ruin seems much more impactful if she was at her very limit when they found her. And I know rescue romances aren't what they used to be, but it sure would add something to a potential relationship for Shep to have found her when she was losing her mind, dragging her back to the world. Unfortunately, because you'd have to wait until just before the endgame to retrieve her in order to get that dialogue, you barely have any time to get to know her. Which makes for a very rushed rescue romance. And you lose out on the chance to kill her mother together too. Double bummer. If I ever play the game on PC, I might look for a mod or console solution to just make that dialogue her standard upon finding her. You don't have to leave Therum until last to get the emanciated Liara dialogue. I get it all the time and I generally do Therum third (before Virmire, but after Feros and Noveria).
I don't think it makes a difference, but just in case - I do most side missions before Therum as well. By the time I get to Virmire, I've pretty much done every side mission that is doable for that character (i.e. it may not include one or both of the morality quests).
It ma ybe caused by th efact if you d oNoveria Liara's mum befoer going t opick up Liara herself tha tmight caus eher dialogue but given I don' tdo Noveria before picking her up I can't be sure.
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Which makes for a very rushed rescue romance. And you lose out on the chance to kill her mother together too. Double bummer. 
