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Post by Gileadan on Nov 2, 2016 9:17:24 GMT
If GOTY 2014: Dragon Age Inquisition is 'known' to not be 'top tier', irrespective of your personal opinion, then you're setting a mighty high bar . The technical aspect of DAI was, despite of its huge delays, certainly not top tier on release, nor is it now in my opinion. 30 FPS cutscenes, banter bug still not fixed, MP a laggy mess on release (no idea what state it is in now), weird-ass hitbox handling, crashes to desktop or hard freezes on otherwise super stable rigs... I think the question whether the MEA team will do better is justified.
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Post by Solas on Nov 2, 2016 10:14:40 GMT
I mean I'd be like n0000 but only because I'm excited and impatient, I don't have a problem with them delaying it to make sure it's a good product if that's what's needed, doing so is a good thing, rushing it out the door is what gave us DAII. it would be irritating to have to read more "omg a delay/staff change/bioware have a plumber in to fix a toilet in the studio/snow fell in Canada omgggg this game is going to be sooooo shit the development has had soooo many problems" from the usual doomsayers tho
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Post by Fogg on Nov 2, 2016 10:32:25 GMT
In the article EA says that Mass Effect is still on track. I won't mind a delay, but I'm not expecting one.
What probably happened is that a journalist asked 'Would you delay Mass Effect if blablabla?' and they answered it with these quotes. That means the only reason to talk about delay now is that a journalist asked about it.
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Post by LFS on Nov 2, 2016 10:53:41 GMT
In the article EA says that Mass Effect is still on track. I won't mind a delay, but I'm not expecting one. What probably happened is that a journalist asked 'Would you delay Mass Effect if blablabla?' and they answered it with these quotes. That means the only reason to talk about delay now is that a journalist asked about it. Agreed, I don't anticipate a delay, either. It was an earnings call; it's in their interest to avoid absolutes this far out and remind shareholders that a delay is possible, so that they don't panic, but I don't think it's really worth reading into too much.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 2, 2016 11:56:21 GMT
...The real question is talent. Does the present Bioware have enough of it to produce a top tier RPG? We know the Dragon Age team does not, but what about team Mass Effect? We will only know when we get the game. If GOTY 2014: Dragon Age Inquisition is 'known' to not be 'top tier', irrespective of your personal opinion, then you're setting a mighty high bar . Not really. I'm talking about games like Baldur's Gate 2, Knights of the Old Republic or Mass Effect 2, the three masterpieces Bioware produced. No Dragon Age game is in that stratum. Moreover, Game of the Year is a relative thing, it depends on which other games were released, and 2014 was a very weak year in gaming.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 2, 2016 12:06:18 GMT
I'm not trying to be argumentative with this question. I'm legitimately curious. In which part of the world is June generally considered Spring? I'm well aware of the astronomical starting point of summer, but where I'm from (Midwestern USA), Spring is generally considered March-May, with a few weeks in June being only an astronomical technicality. I suspect this delineation is based upon when warm weather arrives in a region. For us, it can arrive as early as March, so June is very much Summer, regardless of the date of the Solstice. I'm guessing your "summer" arrives much later than ours? Anyway, on topic, I agree with many that posted above. I'm glad EA is willing to give BioWare time. The fallout of ME3, two "Worst Company in the US" awards (no matter how absurd), and then the accolades DAI received (no matter how slim the competition) seems to have penetrated some thick skulls. More likely, some financial impact was felt beyond all the bad press, and DAI was a much needed victory. Whatever the case, I hope to be playing MEA in March; but I'd prefer a delayed game to an unfinished game. Well that's just it, it's a business. They don't go off of anything that would generally seem normal to any specific area. I mean you can go to places in the world where theres no such thing as 'winter' just kinda a colder summer, or you know, the reverse of that. So... yeah I dunno. I know most people (northwest here) consider June summer, or at least technically halfway through June. But yeah, if your gonna split a year up into seasons it's generally gonna be done in months of 3's. As a guy a knew in highschool would say - pair up in threes... which you know, you can't.. You can't pair things into threes, pair is 2. He'd only say it to hear me bitch about how stupid of a 'saying' it was. Think a gym teacher said it at one point, idiot. Anyway getting off topic there, I literally just looked up 'spring' on wikipedia and it was all 'March April and June' and I was like 'alright that checks out'. Kinda an oddball split.. sort of, when you think about it. But then a lot of companys use the starting 3 months of one year, to be the 4th quarter of their 'fiscal' year which is technically the year that hasn't HAPPENED YET. Like once march 2017 is over they'll consider it 2018 even though theres 9 freakin' months to go. It's all stupid is what I'm getting at, all of it. ... I just want MEA. -.-
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 2, 2016 12:41:13 GMT
If GOTY 2014: Dragon Age Inquisition is 'known' to not be 'top tier', irrespective of your personal opinion, then you're setting a mighty high bar . Not really. I'm talking about games like Baldur's Gate 2, Knights of the Old Republic or Mass Effect 2, the three masterpieces Bioware produced. No Dragon Age game is in that stratum. Moreover, Game of the Year is a relative thing, it depends on which other games were released, and 2014 was a very weak year in gaming. That... seems like a rather subjective ranking, especially with ME2. Some would definitely argue that DAO was right up there at least.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 2, 2016 13:02:31 GMT
Not really. I'm talking about games like Baldur's Gate 2, Knights of the Old Republic or Mass Effect 2, the three masterpieces Bioware produced. No Dragon Age game is in that stratum. Moreover, Game of the Year is a relative thing, it depends on which other games were released, and 2014 was a very weak year in gaming. That... seems like a rather subjective ranking, especially with ME2. Some would definitely argue that DAO was right up there at least. I love how people talk here. It's like they're making their own rules. Much thug.
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Post by Steelcan on Nov 2, 2016 14:06:10 GMT
if they keep pushing it back, I doubt it will be because it needs a little more polish. That the game has taken this long in development already and been through several pushbacks does not bode well for the final product.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 2, 2016 14:20:07 GMT
if they keep pushing it back, I doubt it will be because it needs a little more polish. That the game has taken this long in development already and been through several pushbacks does not bode well for the final product. Maybe, but I'm thinking a delay might have nothing to do with the product. For example, EA might want to push the release back to bolster an otherwise weak quarter later in the year.
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Post by goishen on Nov 2, 2016 14:27:28 GMT
Fiscal year or regular year? I'm trying to think if they've got anything planned for 2017 (besides ME:A) and I'm coming up blank.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 2, 2016 14:37:53 GMT
if they keep pushing it back, I doubt it will be because it needs a little more polish. That the game has taken this long in development already and been through several pushbacks does not bode well for the final product. One delay is not "several pushbacks".
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 2, 2016 14:39:25 GMT
Hmm, I don't really know what these pushbacks are? Mac said as far back as 2013 that he knew who the protagonist was, and I don't think they have strayed far from that. It seems to me they very much had locked a core theme in place years ago, but considering how much "Interstellar" that's been in the latest teasers compared to the bland "jumping and jetpack" demo of 2014, I have a feeling they saw the Christopher Nolan movie and felt so inspired by its idea of pioneers and colonizing that they may have reworked a big part of the narrative. That was also around the same time I think Schlerf left, and since then it's been Mac and other writers from before joining in, and maybe they've been busy reworking a lot of the original concept into something more interesting.
Hearing about the "Remnants" and etc. I've had a terrible feeling that it's literally Mass Effect 1 meets Halo 4 where Remnants are like the Prometheans, I mean, the aesthetics are even similar (metal that parts together and neon-like effects) maybe they actually let go of Schlerf because they felt he wasn't doing a proper job of creating original ideas, he also worked from home according to his twitter (maybe he was a lazy-ass) -- whatever, lots of speculation.
I'm not expecting it out March after hearing this. It doesn't sound cautionary but I absolutely think BioWare should delay it if they feel it needs it, and I have a feeling since the real Andromeda unveiling happens this late on N7 day 2016, the game needs more time to get the attention it needs, specifically an E3 with live-gameplay for the casual worldwide audience and press interviews. If I would BioWare I would go for that and then get ready for Geoff Keighley pointing out I said that we were ready to complete the game an entire year ago.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 14:44:59 GMT
Absolutely. I prefer code that works, quests that are clear, and stories that make sense. I'll wait for that.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 2, 2016 15:01:26 GMT
Fiscal year or regular year? I'm trying to think if they've got anything planned for 2017 (besides ME:A) and I'm coming up blank. Aside from the annual sports titles, I think there was mention of another Battlefront game possibly? That's all I can think of.
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Post by Monk on Nov 2, 2016 15:36:47 GMT
If a delay's required, it better be a longish delay because when there's a delay, it's probably to fix something and it's no good if they "think" they fix it and it ends up still broken on release day. Personally, long as it doesn't slip, like, five-plus years like a certain game, then i'm fine.
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Post by jackievakarian on Nov 2, 2016 16:08:56 GMT
I actually have a very different opinion than most people have about this. People will disagree with me, but just don't be assholes to me.
I don't think that this game can be delayed, even if they wanted it to be. And yes, I will be extremely pissed off if this game is delayed. But again, let me explain myself before everyone fucking attacks me with pitchforks and torches.
Its already been confirmed that the game is playable from start to finish, and that Bioware is almost entirely finished with the game, the only things left to do are add some polish, and bug-fixing. I realize that game development is a really, tedious, and expensive process more than I can even imagine, and Andromeda is supposed to be a hella huge game. But Jesus dog-fucking Christ, this game has been in development for almost 4 years, and is set to release in 4 months. I think that is enough time. Again, the story is already complete and most of the features are apparently added, all that is left is polishing and bug fixes. Not to mention that Bioware is entering crunch time now, I can't see them delaying the game and spending like 7 fucking months in crunch time.
This might get a little too personal, but Mass Effect: Andromeda is one of the only games I care about right now. Watch Dogs 2, Mass Effect: Andromeda and a possible Life is Strange 2 are the only games I'm remotely excited for. And I'm partially getting Watch Dogs 2 to tide me over until Andromeda. I don't have much else going on in my life right now (I have a pretty shitty life right now, but it could be worse, and many people have shitty lives), and video games are part of my temporary escape and relief from my hella shitty life.
I realize that Bioware doesn't owe me that and I'm not entitled to that. This is just how it usually is for me. There is nothing much else going on in my life and I'm not in much of a position to change my life for the better. I won't be in much of a position to do that until sometime next year at the very least. Mass Effect: Andromeda is actually releasing at an absolute perfect time for me. My life is going to change very much in late Spring or early Summer of next year, and I want to playthrough Andromeda AT LEAST ONCE before shit hits the fan for me.
I do greatly respect that Bioware and EA are caring more about their games now and beginning to "put players first" more. But I don't think a delay is the end all, be all of game development. To me, a delay screams "we have no idea what the fuck we are doing and we got a little ahead of ourselves." Yes, again, video game development is a hella tricky, expensive, tedious, and finicky process that costs much time, money, resources and developers. But I'm hella sick and tired of developers stringing us along with carrots on fucking sticks, and not planning ahead efficiently enough. Yes, I would argue this is far better than releasing an unfinished, buggy, shitty game. But a delay doesn't guarantee that a game is good or bugfree. Most delayed games still have some glitches and bugs of some sort. Most games do, because there has to be a cutoff point. Some good games have been delayed, and shitty games have been delayed. A delay doesn't guarantee that a game is good or bad.
If Andromeda were to release in March with a handful of "not too bad" glitches, or released in November with no glitches, I would just want to play the game in March. I can stomach a few bugs as long as they aren't game-breaking. Patches and updates are useful for this very reason. But I hate how developers abuse patches and delays, when I think they should be an absolute last resort. Most delayed games still have fucking day one patches or updates of some sort, even though they had to fucking delay their game to fix bugs or add polish in the first place. Its getting hella fucking annoying. I don't want to see this game at fucking E3 2017, I want to play this game in fucking March, since it sounds like it is very close to being finished.
Besides, with the marketing campaign kicking off in just a few days, and with Funko Pop figures, books set to release during/after the marketing campaign, the Gameinformer cover story, and incoming previews, I can't imagine that they would delay the game, especially when it seems they already have everything planned out or somewhat set in stone. The book schedule was already hella fucked up because the game was delayed once, and now they might want to delay the game again, without even fixing the fucking book schedule. The bureaucracy and mismanagement is fucking pissing me off.
The possibility of a delay has actually made me far, far less excited. Now I'm worried and can't get excited as much for N7 day, because 2 fucking days later the game could be delayed, and my excitement will be for nothing. Like they are fucking blue-balling us. Now I can only take their new gameplay and information with salt. How do I know this shit will actually be in the fucking game, that it won't be altered or taken out, or how the delay will actually affect the features, besides minor polish and bug-fixing?
It feels hella good to vent and get this out of my system. But I'm still hella fucking pissed off, worried and and cautious.
But I will give Bioware and EA credit for being more open and honest about their plans. Hail Corporate.
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Post by deebo305 on Nov 3, 2016 14:51:50 GMT
I'd normally be against another delay but I'll probably still be trying to beat FFXV by the time March rolls around so I'll let this slide...for now
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Post by xassantex on Nov 3, 2016 15:13:45 GMT
Absolutely. I prefer code that works, quests that are clear, and stories that make sense. I'll wait for that. it would result in you waiting forever. " Do what all good pragmatists do, compromise " ( Borg Queen to Admiral Jenway )
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 3, 2016 15:25:48 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Many things come to mind.
Is EA+Bio "this game is amazing" or "It just needs polishing" marketing BS?
Is the Multiplayer not ready for Prime Time?
Are the most excited fans waiting for N7 Day ready for a long fall?
Will Bio's marketing plans crash and burn?
Is there a need for Beta testing by Bio's loyal fans?
Will Bio reveal the Beta testing on N7 Day?
Stay tuned.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Nov 3, 2016 15:35:57 GMT
I hate waiting, so any delays are bad. The only way I can see them delaying the release date is if they come across 'game-breaking' bugs. At this point I would hope most, if not all, of those types of bugs have been worked out. If they do delay though I'm not going to freak out. *shrug* There are always other things to play.
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Post by CHRrOME on Nov 3, 2016 17:01:25 GMT
Not necessarily that a delay will always mean "a better game" , especially when said delay is just 2-3 more months. That tends to be mainly to fix things on a somewhat completed game development. Say, if there's actually more content they want to add or they couldn't quite finish the game, then yes go for 6 months, a year or whatever applies. I don't care that much, we've been waiting for years, what is to wait a few months more?
On the other hand, didn't Mac said past E3 in an interview "at this point is just polish, polish, polish" ? as in, "the game is basically finished already" ?
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Post by CHRrOME on Nov 3, 2016 17:04:55 GMT
Fiscal year or regular year? I'm trying to think if they've got anything planned for 2017 (besides ME:A) and I'm coming up blank. Yeah, no idea either. Maybe some EA sports games and whatever? that's like half their products it seems.
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Post by goishen on Nov 3, 2016 17:08:11 GMT
Well, I just got notice today (Thanks to The Know) that Battlefront II is coming in fall of 2017.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 3, 2016 17:28:36 GMT
if they keep pushing it back, I doubt it will be because it needs a little more polish. That the game has taken this long in development already and been through several pushbacks does not bode well for the final product. Maybe, but I'm thinking a delay might have nothing to do with the product. For example, EA might want to push the release back to bolster an otherwise weak quarter later in the year. This. It was a quarterly analyst's call after all. EA was laying the groundwork for a business-driven schedule change. Might not be to bolster, might be to avoid a blockbuster release in the same month, or to take advantage of a promo opportunity in a following month, like Elon Musk announcing the invention of FTL propulsion. Everything we've heard about the game, through tweets and such, is that it's in far better shape than previous installments of DA or ME at the same point in the cycle -- in the opinion of the makers. Probably due to the push to 1Q17. Now that may not be saying much, but it's something. Doesn't mean that QA will bless it early or on time, by any means, but at least there are no red flags about quality yet.
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