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Post by Pearl on Jan 6, 2017 13:10:00 GMT
Went with Tier 3. If the Multiplayer winds up being as good as ME3's it'll be a Tier 2 game, but I have reservations about that. What I like: - Apparent focus on exploration. Driving around on the various UNC worlds in Mass Effect 1 was actually one of my favorite parts of the game, since I could just turn on music and chill out while gallivanting across the surface of an alien world. Hopefully the planets will be more detailed this time around, but the campy nature of the originals was part of the charm imo.
- The gameplay looks pretty fun from what we've seen so far. I am absolutely a fan of more aggressive playstyles, so this seems like it'll be right up my alley. I also like the mechanic revealed at the Nvidia demo where some powers allow you to charge them up by holding the button, this adds depth to the combat, and hopefully a few of them will allow you to decide between focusing on charged or uncharged usage.
- I like the profiles system. I've lost track of the amount of times I've gotten to around the halfway point of a playthrough and decided I didn't want to play as x anymore, but also didn't want to start a new character and lose my progress. Provided that every profile will be able to handle every encounter (i.e. no "you must play an infiltrator for this section"), this will be a net positive.
- The removal of the Paragon/Renegade system. Specifically, the implications this has for the choices in the game. No more win button in the form of top-left-blue.
What I don't like - I am very concerned that this game will wind up being like Inquisition, with a bad case of "ocean wide, puddle deep" syndrome. I am also concerned with the quality of the character writing, but it isn't fair for me to complain about this as we haven't seen too many character interactions at this point.
- Crafting. Holy shit crafting bores me to tears in any game that it's present in.
- The number of weapons being carried over from ME3. This is ultimately a pretty irrelevant complaint, and it does make sense that the AI would bring a shitload of different Milky Way weapons to handle any conceivable scenario, but I don't want to travel to a new galaxy only to have examples of native technology be few and far between.
- The "prestige" system that has been talked about for the Multiplayer, the idea that you get permanent passive bonuses just for playing a lot. A similar system was in place for Inquisition's multiplayer, and that system was one of the primary factors contributing to DAIMP's early death. There is no need to incentivize players into playing after they have maxed out their manifests, if they enjoy the game they will keep playing regardless, all a system like this does is fracture the playerbase.
Iffy: - Changes to the dialogue system. While the removal of the morality system will change the dynamic for the better when it comes to conflict resolution, I'm not sold on the whole moods thing just yet. I'll need to see more of it before I make up my mind.
- The graphics. Some of what I've seen looks really good. Other parts look like they've barely changed since ME2. Probably has something to do with the game still being polished.
- The main plot of the game. Ultimately I won't really care about the story if the game is fun to play, but it would be nice to actually have a story on par with ME1/2. After ME3 and Inquisition, I'm not convinced Bioware has it in them, though.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 7, 2017 3:41:05 GMT
The more I think about it the more I think this whole 'profile' thing could be the difference between this game getting a Tier 2 or Tier 3. I almost hate a single gameplay mechanic being this important for a single video game but there is precedent for me. Both the Last of Us, and BioShock Infinite, lost a tier of rating because of a lack of a certain mechanic. (The same mechanic too oddly enough)
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Post by Blast Processor on Jan 7, 2017 4:08:07 GMT
Eh. None of these really fit me, I don't have expectations. I'll go in blind (or as much as possible) like I normally would with any game, and judge it as I play through it. I'm sure even if I feel it turned out to be a bit of a dud I'll enjoy it on some level anyway. Hopefully its much better than that tho.
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Post by DalishRanger on Jan 7, 2017 16:53:35 GMT
So I wanted to do this a while ago but decided it was not proper without at least a release date. Still not sure, but on the flip side we have Dutchs Ghosts running about trolling that this game will be horrible and does not look as good as Witcher 3, and on the other side you have the extreme hype thread. Neither thread is really too quantitative for determining what fans think the game will actually perform. Both are pretty black and white. So, I present this thread for myself and others who do have expectations for the game. Wait, is that referring to my hype thread? I see they've renamed it and I don't know of any other hype threads offhand. I made that asking people what they do when they get hyped for the upcoming game, and it would seem it was met with mostly a resounding, "Meh, I'm not really hyped/some degree of cautious." I'd hardly call that the extreme end purely opposite of Dutch's trolling. If we're talking about another thread, my apologies. I appreciate trying to take a balanced approach to feedback, regardless. For me I'd fall somewhere between Tier 1 and Tier 2. There's no way the game will be perfect and "instant classic" is subjective; but I'm sure I'll enjoy it thoroughly and it doesn't lack any wow factor for me. Probably along the lines of, "I'm sure there will be minor things that annoy me in the gameplay or stuff I can nitpick, but I'm also sure I'll have hours of fun and multiple replays."
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Post by colfoley on Jan 7, 2017 18:33:19 GMT
So I wanted to do this a while ago but decided it was not proper without at least a release date. Still not sure, but on the flip side we have Dutchs Ghosts running about trolling that this game will be horrible and does not look as good as Witcher 3, and on the other side you have the extreme hype thread. Neither thread is really too quantitative for determining what fans think the game will actually perform. Both are pretty black and white. So, I present this thread for myself and others who do have expectations for the game. Wait, is that referring to my hype thread? I see they've renamed it and I don't know of any other hype threads offhand. I made that asking people what they do when they get hyped for the upcoming game, and it would seem it was met with mostly a resounding, "Meh, I'm not really hyped/some degree of cautious." I'd hardly call that the extreme end purely opposite of Dutch's trolling. If we're talking about another thread, my apologies. I appreciate trying to take a balanced approach to feedback, regardless. For me I'd fall somewhere between Tier 1 and Tier 2. There's no way the game will be perfect and "instant classic" is subjective; but I'm sure I'll enjoy it thoroughly and it doesn't lack any wow factor for me. Probably along the lines of, "I'm sure there will be minor things that annoy me in the gameplay or stuff I can nitpick, but I'm also sure I'll have hours of fun and multiple replays." yep it was yours. And all of these options are a bit on the subjective side. And i also agree these options don't have a lot of nuance. For instance i loved dai. Tier 1 game. But it's a game which also had a lot of flaws to it and some of them quite major. I was just trying to go for the essence of what each tier means.
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Post by DalishRanger on Jan 7, 2017 18:45:42 GMT
Oh I know they're all fairly subjective. I just was surprised my topic was being compared to Dutch's. If my topic is the closest thing we have to an extreme positive end on here... well that's probably not good? xD I enjoyed the poll here and the discussions on this topic are fairly balanced so far. I do enjoy the debates when they're not trolling or toxic.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 7, 2017 18:52:25 GMT
Oh I know they're all fairly subjective. I just was surprised my topic was being compared to Dutch's. If my topic is the closest thing we have to an extreme positive end on here... well that's probably not good? xD I enjoyed the poll here and the discussions on this topic are fairly balanced so far. I do enjoy the debates when they're not trolling or toxic. meh i was just, for my own kicks, trying to come up with quantitative data on how well the game is doing so far. And threads like yours or Dutchs don't do that they are very black and white imo. I was not comparing yours in a negative fashion just this one thread is here that one thread is there, this is a thread where you can hopefully find and vote on a spectrum.
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Post by DalishRanger on Jan 7, 2017 19:15:42 GMT
meh i was just, for my own kicks, trying to come up with quantitative data on how well the game is doing so far. And threads like yours or Dutchs don't do that they are very black and white imo. I was not comparing yours in a negative fashion just this one thread is here that one thread is there, this is a thread where you can hopefully find and vote on a spectrum. Which is fair enough. I'm certainly not upset over it or trying to attack you, just to clarify. I was only surprised it was referred to as extreme hype, but I suppose that's semantics. I'm all for a more balanced discussion area. There's certainly things to critique, get excited about, or discuss which one it should be for each of us.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jan 8, 2017 0:15:34 GMT
I went with Tier 1/2, personally.
But then I actually liked the ME3 endings (moreso after the Extended Cut) and a lot of what they were doing in DA2 (it has flaws, sure, but a lot of those were the result of the rushed timetable, the story and characters were still fantastic), so clearly I'm a BioWare shill who only parrots the company line and cannot think for himself.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 8, 2017 0:20:20 GMT
I went with Tier 1/2, personally. But then I actually liked the ME3 endings (moreso after the Extended Cut) and a lot of what they were doing in DA2 (it has flaws, sure, but a lot of those were the result of the rushed timetable, the story and characters were still fantastic), so clearly I'm a BioWare shill who only parrots the company line and cannot think for himself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Hey I enjoyed DA 2 very much too. And to me this game sounds very DA 2 to me. So far anyways. Just with a much more open area of stuff to do.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 8, 2017 0:46:56 GMT
I went with Tier 1/2, personally. But then I actually liked the ME3 endings (moreso after the Extended Cut) and a lot of what they were doing in DA2 (it has flaws, sure, but a lot of those were the result of the rushed timetable, the story and characters were still fantastic), so clearly I'm a BioWare shill who only parrots the company line and cannot think for himself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Hey I enjoyed DA 2 very much too. And to me this game sounds very DA 2 to me. So far anyways. Just with a much more open area of stuff to do. yeah it does to me as well to an extent but I actually enjoy DA2 so it's not that much of a concern to me. The only thing I am concerned with in terms of things with MEA is the powers and not being able to pause and aim kind of thing and how that all works. Other than that I'm pretty sure I'll like it.
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Post by goishen on Jan 8, 2017 0:50:15 GMT
I'll reserve judgement about this until I see some of the KB&M gameplay.
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Post by Nightlife on Jan 8, 2017 3:08:46 GMT
Hey Guys! This is Ticondorus (from old boards) and my first post here. Time for a name change. Glad to have these new forums I'm excited about ME:A but I'm worried that the stakes of the story will be so meh compared to the Reaper threat, I won't care about characters or anything as much. Also I hope it doesn't repeat a lot of gripes I had with DA:I (such as annoying fetch quests and such.) And, changing classes on the fly has me a bit worried. I enjoyed having an Engineer or Adept - which made for more unique playthroughs - if I can access all class powers l at once, that seems less interesting to me for subsequent characters. Still a lot of questions and uknowns - I'm cautiously optimistic but right now feel it can't match the epicness of ME1.
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Post by armass81 on Jan 8, 2017 3:59:03 GMT
If its at least Mass Effect 3 caliber, minus the ending and hopefully not too many fetch quests, id say its passed on my book. Now is it an excellent game then? No, to be excellent it would have to combine the feel and story of ME1 but without all the clunky mechanics(ME3 grade combat at least cause it was the best out of the 3) and the half finished look the game had, plus still be able to wow on the character and side mission side. The best of both worlds. Since Mac Walters is at the helm and that one Bungie guy who left, i think were not going to get the story, unfortunately. I just pray that at least the exploration, characters and combat side is well executed, story wise not holding my breath and you shouldnt either. I mean its not a good sign when the whole premise retcons so much of the established lore, which they still havent got a good checker there(checking MEwikia now and then is not enough guys) My highest realistic expectation score wise, without the usual site and magazine kissing up they do: 85/100 Lowest: 62/100 Which would be a failure, after 4 years. Dragon Age 2 kind of laziness. Thered just be no excuse. So just to tell how i would have ranked the original ME games: ME1 gets 89/100, its a good nice game with an excellent universe and atmosphere, but what brings the score down is the clunky combat system and the half finished look, especially around exploring. ME2 gets a 87/100(with all dlcs), They improved on a lot of things here, like giving a finishing look, and nice characters, what the game suffers from is a tonal shift in plot, the bare skeleton of a main plot and the fact that the game feels more like an expansion of universe than a real ME2, which should have advanced the reaper plot better. ME3 gets a 81/100(bare game, with the extended cut and dlcs id say its more 83/100 now) , this game, despite the improvements especially to combat, is a step back unfortunately in many ways, from a mountain of fetch quests, to the odd things they have added into the plot and the poor handling(the kid, Kai Leng, the endings). In a my final words ME trilogy is an enjoyable journey with excellent characters and universe, bus as far as a coherent three game trilogy plot wise, its a kind of a mess. Such a shame, if they had had the story set out, it would be one of the best trilogies out there, it still is great but just misses the epic in my books cause of the incohereness. We just never really got the best of both worlds, all the games were lacking in one thing or the another.
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Post by Plague Doctor on Jan 8, 2017 4:09:36 GMT
If they're really going to go back to a more Mass Effect 1-ish style i have high hopes. ME1 was the only Tier 1 game of the series to me, so im actually kinda hyped.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 8, 2017 4:15:59 GMT
I have a good feeling about this game, especially coming from the PR. Obvious I can be wrong but I am expecting something a long the lines of a DA2 personal story and ME 2 gameplay. So probably something of a classic or just a really good one.
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Post by linksocarina on Jan 8, 2017 16:35:54 GMT
No option for "don't give a damn?"
Honestly, trying to measure what the game will be like is a foolish exercise in my book. For shits and giggles i'll vote for the two extremes, the hot garbage and the instant classic.
Both votes are ultimately meaningless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 17:57:44 GMT
I'll reserve judgement about this until I see some of the KB&M gameplay. Do they usually do that? IIRC, recent gameplay demos are usually done with a controller. I can certainly see some value in showing some gameplay with both kb/m and controller, however.
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Post by goishen on Jan 8, 2017 17:59:22 GMT
They say that they are.
And this is from Ian Frazier, a lead designer.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Jan 8, 2017 18:07:10 GMT
There needs to be a tier in-between tier 1 (almost perfect rubs me up the wrong way) and tier 2 (lacking wow factor sounds over the top).
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"An amazing adventure that overcomes some minor flaws to be truly great ARPG, worthy of the Mass Effect name."
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Post by traks on Jan 8, 2017 20:48:03 GMT
Voted for tier one, but only because tier two has already a negative "but" in the description. What is "awesome, but lacks a wow factor"? Doesn't make sense to me. It's either awesome or it lacks a wow factor, but can't be both. I have high expectations because lots of the stuff we have seen indeed looks awesome. Also in the interviews (and the gameinformer story) there was a lot of talk about taking the best out of all three games: a) A focus on exploration (and the return of an improved Mako), so the ability to discover the most important story parts in game from ME1. Focus on characters (including the return of loyalty missions) and presumably the effect that choices made during the game have on the ending from ME2. c) The fluid combat from ME3. Add to that beautiful looking worlds, a new ship, a new crew, new aliens, a new citadel-like hub etc. and I'm hyped about more Mass Effect. I have minor gripes so far with: a) Why are we going there? Shouldn't that be the first thing the Andromeda Initiative tells us in one of their recruiting vids? Shouldn't be a problem for the story in Andromeda itself though, just for the context in ME lore. Though as an Andromedan I would ask "who are you and what are you doing here?" Super bosses that are not main story related and might not be beatable at the first encounter. That's not very "mass effecty". c) Infighting among the Initiative. Can't we at least initially all be on the same page? d) Not being the first to encounter certain species in Andromeda because we are late to the party. Because of the gripes I would vote for tier two if it was a purely optimistic one.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Jan 8, 2017 21:50:42 GMT
As somebody who loves Mass Effect on a "holy hell" level: - I loved ME1 the most. In retrospect it was the most memorable of the franchise. That being said, I've only spend maximum of 40h of gameplay in there; usually I can defeat ME1 under 20 hours focusing only to the main story. Those side quests were extremely repetitive and sometimes creepy. (Too many mining caves with wandering husks.)
So what excites me the most is that it seems the roots of this new game might be in the first. We have a new "Mako" and we are not so crushed by an upcoming horrors and terrors. ME1 was more positive game than its followers even though Bioware has always made me laugh even in the darkest of times. This time BioWare has propably also learned it's lesson from the side quests. And they don't have to look for Witcher 3 because they have enough fine examples of their own, Baldur's gate 2 for example.
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Post by Reznore on Jan 9, 2017 12:22:46 GMT
So far I still don't feel like buying MEA... I don't think it's going to be a terrible game, you can expect at the very least 100 hours+ of a vaguely amusing game with some highlights.( and way way more than 100+ with multiplayer). Still I was excited for 5 scd and I would like to thank Johnny Cash for that one...but since then MEA made me feel like a sour old fart. From the "iconic" looks and names of Peebee the Racoon Asari, The Krogan who wears bones, the dad who looks like psycho dad and has Clancy Brown voice (extra alpha) YAY Darth Daddy, I'm so thrilled Mass Effect may explore the realms of daddy issues. I also saw two female humans , the female Ryder and a raider chick.Both still had their baby fat and looked around 17. We're going into a new galaxy, but mostly not really because the milky way species are already settled there. And there's some Not!Prothean and Not! Reapers. Also beyond the daddy issues and the no good reasons to go to Andromeda with such an expedition , let's not forget the pathos and drama of "peace" being broken and people *gasping* Because everybody knows when you go conquer a new galaxy , the locals are always overjoyed to see you there with a bunch of squatters.Or not. Luckily the family drama goes beyond crazy dad , you have a twin who will suffer too for the sake of the story. There's a very good chance the multiplayer is going to be super fun, I do like the fact that the devs want to have more humor etc...But it really feel like a Mass Effect reboot for a younger audience. I wasn't the biggest fan of ME to begin with and I feel like this game aims at the 20 years old + new generation of gamers.
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Post by Plague Doctor on Jan 9, 2017 12:58:46 GMT
Eh, im a child at heart so i have no problem with Bioware catering to a younger audience. As long as they dont go below 18 im fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 13:43:22 GMT
As long as it has more Jade Empire/mass effect in it and less of the dragon age/NWN2, it will be an instant hit with me! Yes for cool and fast paced stories, with less fillers, yes for micro-management free environments, yes for just jump in and enjoy the ride in both SP and MP. No to painstaking and finikie things like crafting, locked out skills and pointless fed ex quests just to level up. I don't need a game filled with little extras to do on your 4th playthrough. I want a game that is awesome and compact to play the first time with a great MP to keep me in the verse for the rest of the year.
And, of course, hurray to a setting and a story that does not give you that déjà vu feel hundred times over.
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