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Post by Madflavor on Feb 24, 2017 1:21:26 GMT
It sounds like it's shaping up to be a Tier 3 at worst, because even if the writing is unremarkable, the gameplay looks so damn good that people should at least have a ball with the combat and the Multiplayer. The combat alone is worth the $60 by the looks of it.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 24, 2017 1:23:44 GMT
It sounds like it's shaping up to be a Tier 3 at worst, because even if the writing is unremarkable, the gameplay looks so damn good that people should at least have a ball with the combat and the Multiplayer. The combat alone is worth the $60 by the looks of it. Similar feeling to Witcher 3. The game's story, at leas the base game's story was not all that special. But it made up for it with amazing combat/ gameplay system and of course the oft repeated amazing side quests.
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Post by vanguarddoken on Feb 24, 2017 1:27:12 GMT
To me there always was some kind of unfortunate shift in quality somewhere around 2011 for BioWare. It's as if they quickly went from doing something really good to just "hm. eh." but I thought DA2 retained a lot of good stuff. If you don't like BioWare games you really shouldn't be in the BioWare fandom.
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Post by Spooch on Feb 24, 2017 1:31:43 GMT
To me there always was some kind of unfortunate shift in quality somewhere around 2011 for BioWare. It's as if they quickly went from doing something really good to just "hm. eh." but I thought DA2 retained a lot of good stuff. If you don't like BioWare games you really shouldn't be in the BioWare fandom. They didn't say they don't like Bioware games, they stated that they feel there was a drop in quality in recent years. Besides, I'd take pride in not being part of the "Bioware fandom". I've never seen a good fandom. It's always just normal fans going way too overboard with something they like.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 24, 2017 1:37:10 GMT
To me there always was some kind of unfortunate shift in quality somewhere around 2011 for BioWare. It's as if they quickly went from doing something really good to just "hm. eh." but I thought DA2 retained a lot of good stuff. If you don't like BioWare games you really shouldn't be in the BioWare fandom. I don't know what exactly is motivating linkenski to keep talking about this game, and speculate about it, if he believes without a shred of doubt and hesitation that it's gonna suck, but he manages to have constructive discussions about the game anyway. While I can't relate to him because personally, I would have no motivation to talk about a game if I have no interest in it, or I believe I won't like it, but for some reason he does have motivation, and it ain't coming from a place of hatred. That's good enough for me.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 24, 2017 1:39:08 GMT
If you don't like BioWare games you really shouldn't be in the BioWare fandom. I don't know what exactly is motivating linkenski to keep talking about this game, and speculate about it, if he believes without a shred of doubt and hesitation that it's gonna suck, but he manages to have constructive discussions about the game anyway. While I can't relate to him because personally, I would have no motivation to talk about a game if I have no interest in it, or I believe I won't like it, but for some reason he does have motivation, and it ain't coming from a place of hatred. That's good enough for me. Welll to be fair he is saying the game is going to be at least a Tier 4. Which Tier 4 is 'alright' and not 'bad'. Sure I think given my current tastes and economic situation I would not drop 60 + dolllars on a Tier 4 game, and I probably actually would not put any money towards a Tier 4 game (unless its a BioWare game) but to each their own.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 24, 2017 1:40:14 GMT
To me there always was some kind of unfortunate shift in quality somewhere around 2011 for BioWare. It's as if they quickly went from doing something really good to just "hm. eh." but I thought DA2 retained a lot of good stuff.If you don't like BioWare games you really shouldn't be in the BioWare fandom.
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Post by fiannawolf on Feb 24, 2017 2:28:47 GMT
Based on what I've seen as of 2/23, I'd go T3 or T4. There's always room for improvement.
My cynical outlook would be delighted if this hit ME1 levels. We shall see.
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Post by Vortex13 on Feb 24, 2017 2:53:07 GMT
From what I have learned so far, about a tier 3; tier 4 as a worst case scenario.
Combat gameplay looks solid, and would have to be the one element of the game I have the least amount of concerns over.
So far, my biggest gripe has been the lack of any worthwhile 'alien' elements to the game, and all the attention paid to the romance options; "Pretty good banging" posts and all that. I get that companions and romance options is a big thing for many people, but from what I've seen Andromeda is looking even more human-like that the Milky Way did.
Now obviously, things like the Rachni, and Thorian weren't advertised as part of Mass Effect 1's marketing campaign, but at the same time the first title had an overarching theme of discovery and exploring the unknown. All I have seen from ME:Andromeda is human/near-human drama and quips about not needing an army when one has a Krogan etc.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 24, 2017 2:56:14 GMT
Based on what I've seen as of 2/23, I'd go T3 or T4. There's always room for improvement. My cynical outlook would be delighted if this hit ME1 levels. We shall see.This is kinda what I was talking about in the other thread. ME1 had a TON of flaws. Blantant heavy flaws. Flaws that would be unforgivable these days. So why can't a game have flaws and still be great? I understand ME1 has a great story, but it's combat is pretty bad, and that's not exactly an insignificant thing. That's the friggin gameplay.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 24, 2017 3:13:53 GMT
Based on what I've seen as of 2/23, I'd go T3 or T4. There's always room for improvement. My cynical outlook would be delighted if this hit ME1 levels. We shall see.This is kinda what I was talking about in the other thread. ME1 had a TON of flaws. Blantant heavy flaws. Flaws that would be unforgivable these days. So why can't a game have flaws and still be great? I understand ME1 has a great story, but it's combat is pretty bad, and that's not exactly an insignificant thing. That's the friggin gameplay. You know I just finished a PT of Inquisition before starting in on the MET again before Andromeda comes out, (turns out I started it a liiitttllle early...anyways) and after the crisp, fun experience of Inquisition and just how smooth everything was and fluid and balanced, going back to ME 1 was like pulling teeth on how bad it was. I had to turn down the difficulty not because the game was tough per se but because the enemies were such meat shields it was really slowing down my flow and how to make the combat just that much more frustrating.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 24, 2017 3:29:06 GMT
Based on what I've seen as of 2/23, I'd go T3 or T4. There's always room for improvement. My cynical outlook would be delighted if this hit ME1 levels. We shall see.This is kinda what I was talking about in the other thread. ME1 had a TON of flaws. Blantant heavy flaws. Flaws that would be unforgivable these days. So why can't a game have flaws and still be great? I understand ME1 has a great story, but it's combat is pretty bad, and that's not exactly an insignificant thing. That's the friggin gameplay. The fact that its flaws would've been unforgivable is such a shame. Ever since I grew up with gaming I've always been a fan of games that do things just a bit differently. I fully concede the combat is lacklustre in ME1, the inventory and level-balancing is way off and the UNC planets are too under-designed but like a game such as Deadly Premonition ME1 is really one of those "more than sum of its parts" games. There was passion behind it and lots of it and it shows. As a piece of art that uses various video-game conventions to convey its story, setting etc. I absolutely love ME1. It has that wow-factor which ME3 started to lack in many key areas and ME2 only in a few (for me, anyway). That's what is keeping ME:A from hitting "ME1" levels for me unless it succeeds in the end. It lacks that wow-factor. No matter of fixing up the combat to be really satisfying or making the graphics look buttery smooth is going to tickle that itch unless it all comes together with a great or just good plot, good ideas and messages, concepts that resonate with you in the way they're executed. So far a few things kinda fall flat or contain an air of "generic" to them like the Remnant technology we've heard about. The way quests are apparently laid out and the way planets will just sustain themselves with content so you can waste your time. That's also it's saving grace, the self-sustaining content, if it ends up being so that the story isn't up to snuff. That's the case with most games and why as a whole the industry is so well-thriving despite the average writing in most games being downright abysmal. In literature, the writing that was found in DA:I would've been passable at best but a lot of people seriously consider BioWare the "kings of narrative" in gaming, which is just kind of a testament to how sparse video games are with good writing. But anyway, the keyword and TL;DR is, deadly premonition There, BAM! This little gem was released in such a poor state and under-competent development in around 2010 or so, and it just didn't look on-par with what you'd expect. It was "unforgivable" in design... but somehow it ended up gaining quite the cult following when it was re-released with a few improvements later. The core gameplay was still a half-broken mess and the overworld was really terrible, kinda like how some things are in ME1, but it just oozes with passion and it certainly became more than the sum of its parts with how many full-hearted details it has put into it. Again, no amount of "content" or good shooting mechanics could've created this.
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Post by fiannawolf on Feb 24, 2017 3:33:11 GMT
Based on what I've seen as of 2/23, I'd go T3 or T4. There's always room for improvement. My cynical outlook would be delighted if this hit ME1 levels. We shall see.This is kinda what I was talking about in the other thread. ME1 had a TON of flaws. Blantant heavy flaws. Flaws that would be unforgivable these days. So why can't a game have flaws and still be great? I understand ME1 has a great story, but it's combat is pretty bad, and that's not exactly an insignificant thing. That's the friggin gameplay. Out of all 3 ME games, I enjoyed ME1's story and gameplay the most. 2/3 felt more akin to Gears of War. With some smattering of RPG elements. But its all opinion really. I'd rather ME:A rip off ME1, whole sale, if needed. That way I know Ill enjoy the game. The only gameplay mechanics I enjoyed for DA2 and DA:I was the mage class. Everyone else felt clunky as all getup.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 24, 2017 3:36:22 GMT
I think part of the test of a great game,a Tier 1 game for instance, is if you can still enjoy the game and consider it a great game despite any flaws it might or might not have.
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Post by isaidlunch on Feb 24, 2017 3:36:57 GMT
Depends on how exploration is handled, if it's DAI in space then I'm going to be very disappointed, otherwise it might be one of my favorite games.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 24, 2017 3:37:43 GMT
It just has to be more than the sum of its parts and you have to like it a lot personally... and it works if you like it in a way that makes you want to replay it every year or so.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 24, 2017 3:39:20 GMT
It just has to be more than the sum of its parts and you have to like it a lot personally... and it works if you like it in a way that makes you want to replay it every year or so. Aye, if only tere was enough time in a year to do all the things you would want to do in a year while doing all the new things you want to do in a year.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 24, 2017 3:39:34 GMT
This is kinda what I was talking about in the other thread. ME1 had a TON of flaws. Blantant heavy flaws. Flaws that would be unforgivable these days. So why can't a game have flaws and still be great? I understand ME1 has a great story, but it's combat is pretty bad, and that's not exactly an insignificant thing. That's the friggin gameplay. Out of all 3 ME games, I enjoyed ME1's story and gameplay the most. 2/3 felt more akin to Gears of War. With some smattering of RPG elements. But its all opinion really. I'd rather ME:A rip off ME1, whole sale, if needed. That way I know Ill enjoy the game. The only gameplay mechanics I enjoyed for DA2 and DA:I was the mage class. Everyone else felt clunky as all getup. Understood.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 3:46:42 GMT
I'm between 2 and 3. Voted 3.
I'm not really overly optimistic, at this point, but it looks solid, at the very least. As long as the writing isn't a total fucking mess, I can't see it being a complete flop. Definitely not financially, but also as a fan.
-The gameplay looks fine. Not really worried about it.
-Side quests will get repetitive. Never played an RPG where they didn't. Side quests are just poorly designed and shallow "Go here / Do this" missions, so I've lost all hope for expecting anything more. Inquisition is guilty of this. ME3 was guilty of this. DAII was guilty of this. Origins was guilty of this. Witcher is guilty of this. Skyrim is guilty of this, etc...
-Characters are what I'm most worried about. I can honestly get over a subpar story if the people in it are worth caring about. It's Bioware's strongest point, but also the one they tend to slack on, at least in terms of ME3 and DAII. Inquisition handled it a little better. There are legitimately likable members of the cast in that game, and it gives me some hope, but I haven't liked anyone as much as I have the cast of Origins, or the first two ME games.
-Story seems very, very low stakes. Almost completely devoid of anything that I feel I can honestly care about. We haven't seen much, but I didn't really like what we have seen. If it's serviceable, I'll be fine, but I would absolutely love to be proven wrong.
-Romances seem mostly uninteresting to me so far. Not a fan of Cora's look, and I've never found Turians all that attractive, though Vetra does seem legitimately interesting, and I think I'll like her. I'm also not gay, so that's probably not going to happen, since my character is usually somewhat me? Not entirely me, but I usually go for something close to myself for the first playthrough. Makes picking dialogue options more natural the first time through.
-I really hope the dialogue is consistently peppered throughout the game. ME3 did an awful, awful job of this. Inquisition actually did a really good job of giving us lots of options for different types of characters, so I'd be happy with that level of quality. Just no repeat of ME3, please.
So, yeah. Inquisition was an underwhelming but promising comeback to what I think Bioware can do. Hopefully Andromeda builds on that, instead of reverting to ME3 or DAII. That being said, I don't want another Inquisition. I want it to feel like Mass Effect. I'm skeptical, yet cautiously hopeful. There are still some areas they could totally screw up on and ruin the game for me, but what we've seen is... acceptable. Good, even.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 24, 2017 3:46:59 GMT
It just has to be more than the sum of its parts and you have to like it a lot personally... and it works if you like it in a way that makes you want to replay it every year or so. Aye, if only tere was enough time in a year to do all the things you would want to do in a year while doing all the new things you want to do in a year. Be like me: Like less stuff and do fewer things. It's pretty chill. I can have my life and then those 1-3 new and old games on the side at all times unless a new Dark Souls is out or something
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Post by fiannawolf on Feb 24, 2017 3:51:38 GMT
The logic center of my brain is somewhat critical, while the emotional side wants to be swayed, but currently very cautious Maybe Bioware will be able to Frankenstein this next game into full functionality that will please many people. That and I want to launch large objects into space via Nomad and Biotics ala ME1 style....
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