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Post by Shinrai on Jan 10, 2017 13:23:18 GMT
I can't decide between Tier 2 and 3.
I think I'll enjoy ME:A and I'll definetely going to play it. There are a few things I noticed in the trailers, gameplays & leaks so far that put me a little off (or better: I had more questions after seeing/hearing these things than answers), so I have to wait and see how everything will play out in the endproduct. On the other hand I saw a lot of things that I really like, as well. So I try to stay as neutral/positive as possible.
I think most of my worries are based on my own insecurities thanks to the lack of information regarding these things and the fact that I didn't play the full game yet (which I hope to get over with in the next months):
>Pc- Requirements too high/for Win10 & Console exclusive
>Too much attention to game controls via a controller - not so much time & work for mouse and keyboard (hello DA:I controls catastrophe to its release)
>Protagonist as blank/neutral as the Inquisitor in DA:I (for me personally by far the most boring protagonist of all BW games)
>Too much focus on DA:I like sidequests & building up the Nexus - not so much focus on interesting story progression and balanced lvlpacing
>Character customization (we didn't see anything yet and I wasn't that satisfied with certain aspects in DA:I's CC -like hair, make up & the variety of face parts, no save function for created characters)
> Tiny edit: Inventory limited to 40 slots - is it really enough in a game with the focus on exploration & to a large degree - crafting? We have to built up the Nexus, right? DA:I's Inventory space felt so limited even after the release of a storage chest and up to 90 slots thanks to Inquisition Perk lvling). I was full most of the time - but I have to admit that I'm a china farmer in those games. Other people just running around fighting and rushing through quests . I'm more like "Oh, look a flower/stone/robot/alien/child/weapon/other weird stuff. I HAVE to pick it up - you never know when you might need it."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 13:36:44 GMT
I can't decide between Tier 2 and 3. 1>Pc- Requirements too high/for Win10 & Console exclusive 2>Too much focus on DA:I like sidequests & building up the Nexus - not so much focus on interesting story progression and lvlpacing I'm in the same boat. With respect to the questions -- 1) Do we know anything as to whether they're using DX12? There seem to be some rumors, but anything tangible? On a somewhat unrelated note: Have there been recent 'AAA' releases where DX12 has made a noticeable difference in performance? I'm aware that Vulkan has benefited a few titles; but DX12 titles that I heard about were all technical disasters (e.g. Quantum Break). 2) Since I haven't played DA:I, possible DA:I-isms won't bother me too much, since it'll all feel 'fresh' to me. On the other hand, if DA:I-ism translates into MMO-like, things could turn sour very quickly. |
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 10, 2017 13:46:59 GMT
I'm in the same boat. With respect to the questions -- 1) Do we know anything as to whether they're using DX12? There seem to be some rumors, but anything tangible? On a somewhat unrelated note: Have there been recent 'AAA' releases where DX12 has made a noticeable difference in performance? I'm aware that Vulkan has benefited a few titles; but DX12 titles that I heard about were all technical disasters (e.g. Quantum Break). 2) Since I haven't played DA:I, possible DA:I-isms won't bother me too much, since it'll all feel 'fresh' to me. On the other hand, if DA:I-ism translates into MMO-like, things could turn sour very quickly. I don't have anything tangible about DX12 support either, but what I do know from personal experience is that Frostbite 3 itself in its latest iteration - Battlefield 1 - runs very smoothly on DX12 after some slight initial hiccups that got patched rather quickly. Now whether MEA will be using this most recent version of Frostbite 3 is another matter entirely, of course. The technical possibility is definitely there, though. DA:I-ism most likely refers to "big, beautiful landscape with a lot of MMO-ish side content and the occasional pit stop outpost to unlock". We might get the unlocked outposts again, but I think it's cool to have some support structure land from orbit, as long as it doesn't come with a requisition officer climbing out of some kind boarding torpedo. As for the respawning enemies and quality of the side content - we don't know yet. |
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Post by Shinrai on Jan 10, 2017 13:47:37 GMT
I can't decide between Tier 2 and 3. 1>Pc- Requirements too high/for Win10 & Console exclusive 2>Too much focus on DA:I like sidequests & building up the Nexus - not so much focus on interesting story progression and lvlpacing I'm in the same boat. With respect to the questions -- 1) Do we know anything as to whether they're using DX12? There seem to be some rumors, but anything tangible? On a somewhat unrelated note: Have there been recent 'AAA' releases where DX12 has made a noticeable difference in performance? I'm aware that Vulkan has benefited a few titles; but DX12 titles that I heard about were all technical disasters (e.g. Quantum Break). 2) Since I haven't played DA:I, possible DA:I-isms won't bother me too much, since it'll all feel 'fresh' to me. On the other hand, if DA:I-ism translates into MMO-like, things could turn sour very quickly. I don't know if they talked about things like DX yet - but I'm pretty sure that a next gen game like ME:A will need some pretty decent specs. To 2). Not every quest was bad in DA:I. But especially between the 1. Part & 3. Part of the game -I personally- felt like in an asian grinder like MMo - fighting and "lacking interesting story content" sidequests. And the lovely fetchquests - boy was I happy to run around from A to Z and backwards to bring someone his potion or kill some robbers in some kind of cave in the desert. And rarely were there consequences or Npcs that I really cared about. Yes, your term of mmoish might be right. Other people might think not like that but at least for me it was most of the time kind of unsatisfying. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 10, 2017 17:38:05 GMT
Tier 4 going by my experience with DA:I. Depending on how you play you can make it sort of awesome but the game does its best to lead you into a bad playing experience by making you think completeing all those side missions and growing the inquisition really matters and ultimately it doesn't.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 10, 2017 22:03:21 GMT
Tier 4 going by my experience with DA:I. Depending on how you play you can make it sort of awesome but the game does its best to lead you into a bad playing experience by making you think completeing all those side missions and growing the inquisition really matters and ultimately it doesn't. How did the game make you think this though, that is the question. Considering the game told you exactly what was required at each step of the way in order to complete the game and unlock it. So much so that a relatively modest sampling of the game's side quests can let you finish the game very easily. Especially now later on with the Trial system. Besides, we have not seen anything like the power system even mentioned. Hopefully any growing of the power of your organization is left ot strictly speaking narrative purposes. |
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Post by stysiaq on Jan 11, 2017 13:20:54 GMT
It will be good enough for the crowd to proclaim it best thing since sliced bread. So, I guess it'll be like a 7-8 game.
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Post by Balsam Beige on Jan 11, 2017 16:48:39 GMT
Tier 1 is very difficult to reach. Witcher 3 was close, imo.
With Mass Effect being my favorite gaming IP, I would love it to be a Tier 1 game.
My meA wish list; A good main story with all possible endings that make sense, interesting characters, cinematic cutscenes in conversations(the daI approach was awful and lazy design, imo), fun and interesting side quests that flow well with the narrative of the main story.
My main concern; the game will be daI in space.
My encouragement; New members of the development team were Mass Effect fans first before becoming part of the team.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Jan 11, 2017 17:30:58 GMT
I expect it to be like every Bioware game since BG2 - disappointing in some aspects, but still enjoyable and well worth the money I spent on it. That was before my time.  My friend, it is NEVER too late to soak in the delish tender meat of Baldur's Gate 1 & 2. It's aged beautifully and if for nothing else, you must try it for Boo!!   |
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jan 11, 2017 18:44:03 GMT
I voted tier 3, which is where DAI sits for me. GOOD game and I had tons of fun with it. But it does have a number of glaring shortcomings, especially in comparison to other similar open world games.
I'm still somewhat optimistic it can be tier 2, tier 1 is the trilogy. The best gaming experience of my life. MEA will never reach it in my personal book. But it doesn't have to. Few games do.
I'll be fine with a tier 3 experience.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Jan 11, 2017 21:33:58 GMT
Combat doesn't look fluid to me at all. Enemies are being biotic-charged and there's literally no reaction whatsoever, might as well be hitting a concrete wall. Enemies are set on fire, they just walk on shooting as if nothing is happening, though they're covered in flames.
Not that any of that matters when the premise of the game is completely ridiculous.
Yeah, I don't think this will be very 'wow', and then I'm putting it extremely mildly.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 11, 2017 21:48:42 GMT
Combat doesn't look fluid to me at all. Enemies are being biotic-charged and there's literally no reaction whatsoever, might as well be hitting a concrete wall. Enemies are set on fire, they just walk on shooting as if nothing is happening, though they're covered in flames. Not that any of that matters when the premise of the game is completely ridiculous. Yeah, I don't think this will be very 'wow', and then I'm putting it extremely mildly. To be fair most of the enemies we have seen the PC fight have been taller and significantly weightier then said character. And the one human ish character I saw that they did charge did react. As far as the running around aspects are concerned that is just their way of marketing the game. |
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Post by tiamariegamer on Jan 11, 2017 21:55:45 GMT
I voted for tier 1. I truly believe that no game is perfect. Even the best games have some things you wish were done differently. How severe that thought is depends on the game. However from what I've learned so far about MEA has been very pleasing. I love that there still seems to be a major focus on story and characters. I love that the dialogue wheel is more like DAI in which we know more about what we're saying beforehand. I love that the interrupts tell us what we are doing now. There are so many things that I could go on and on about. The only things I'm nervous about are how preset the characters personalities are. Can I still shape or guide them to who I want them to be. Also how much emphasis is on driving. Mostly because I have a unique skill of running everything and everyone over. Lol. Even with these small worries I know I can either get past them both or even in the end have nothing to worry about. It's almost kind of sad that I feel people are almost looking for reasons not to get excited and picking apart the game months before it has even come out. Overall I think it's going to be a great game from what I've seen.
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 11, 2017 22:03:28 GMT
...Also how much emphasis is on driving. Mostly because I have a unique skill of running everything and everyone over. ... What's wrong with that? Think of all the XP! |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 11, 2017 22:45:42 GMT
...Also how much emphasis is on driving. Mostly because I have a unique skill of running everything and everyone over. ... What's wrong with that? Think of all the XP! I loved driving over my enemies with the Mako. It made me happy. I think it was always geth but nothing wrong with that. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 11, 2017 23:02:51 GMT
What's wrong with that? Think of all the XP! I loved driving over my enemies with the Mako. It made me happy. I think it was always geth but nothing wrong with that. yeah smashing into the Armatures with the Mako is good fun.. Will be interesting to see if we can do that with the Nomad |
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Post by colfoley on Jan 11, 2017 23:04:25 GMT
Probably would have been funner if the Mako handled better. Often times I would be driving around minding my own business then running things over but couldn't back up enough to do it again so they got up and shot my ass.
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Post by helios969 on Jan 11, 2017 23:06:01 GMT
I'm bracing myself for another Tier 3 game but am hoping for a Tier 2. I think there is very little chance it ends up Tier 1.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 11, 2017 23:07:38 GMT
I'm bracing myself for another Tier 3 game but am hoping for a Tier 2. I think there is very little chance it ends up Tier 1. Out of all the games I have played only I think 6 (maybe 7) have ended up being Tier 1. So it is a difficult thing to get, at least for games. |
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Post by helios969 on Jan 11, 2017 23:19:47 GMT
I'm bracing myself for another Tier 3 game but am hoping for a Tier 2. I think there is very little chance it ends up Tier 1. Out of all the games I have played only I think 6 (maybe 7) have ended up being Tier 1. So it is a difficult thing to get, at least for games. Agree. I don't think I could name 5 I'd put in there though. The biggest question is what is the exact criteria that should be considered to classify a game Tier 1...and probably varies wildly from person to person. The only two I could put in the Tier 1 category without hesitation would be The Last of Us and TW3...and would be inclined to give DAO and ME2 the nod as well if viewed from the context of the time period each were released. Of course some would say those games suck, so...(shrugs.) |
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 11, 2017 23:24:44 GMT
I clicked tier 1. I think it will likely be tier 1 or 2
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Post by colfoley on Jan 11, 2017 23:25:58 GMT
Out of all the games I have played only I think 6 (maybe 7) have ended up being Tier 1. So it is a difficult thing to get, at least for games. Agree. I don't think I could name 5 I'd put in there though. The biggest question is what is the exact criteria that should be considered to classify a game Tier 1...and probably varies wildly from person to person. The only two I could put in the Tier 1 category without hesitation would be The Last of Us and TW3...and would be inclined to give DAO and ME2 the nod as well if viewed from the context of the time period each were released. Of course some would say those games suck, so...(shrugs.) Dragon Age Inquisition. Mass Effect 2 Ace Combat 5 Witcher 3 BioShock 2. And indeed this greatly does depend on personal opinion and enjoyability factor. I meant to say this in response to another conversation that happened here but...forgot...oops. but this is my rather poor attempt to define personal enjoyability. For instance, Inquisition is a game that has a lot of flaws in it, a lot of things the game did wrong, a lot of things could have been so much better. But I really, really, really, enjoyed the game. Because, for me, it did a lot right to and hit a lot of my own very personal buttons. But on the flip side you have a game like the Last of Us, or BioShock Infinite, and especially the latter that do a lot of things right, but the one or two things it gets wrong I consider such abominations that I drop it down to Tier 3 and Tier 2 respectively. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 11, 2017 23:30:41 GMT
Agree. I don't think I could name 5 I'd put in there though. The biggest question is what is the exact criteria that should be considered to classify a game Tier 1...and probably varies wildly from person to person. The only two I could put in the Tier 1 category without hesitation would be The Last of Us and TW3...and would be inclined to give DAO and ME2 the nod as well if viewed from the context of the time period each were released. Of course some would say those games suck, so...(shrugs.) Dragon Age Inquisition. Mass Effect 2 Ace Combat 5Witcher 3 BioShock 2. Offtopic, but I love that game. I love the Ace Combat franchise. |
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Post by helios969 on Jan 11, 2017 23:30:47 GMT
Never heard of Ace Combat 5. Is that an old game?
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Post by colfoley on Jan 11, 2017 23:33:51 GMT
Never heard of Ace Combat 5. Is that an old game? PS2 combat flight sim. It was kind of the ME 2 of its generation, for personal preference since you did not have any RPG mechanics. But it had an amazing story, amazing music, and fairly good character and development. |
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