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Post by Felya87 on Jan 10, 2017 21:04:28 GMT
I agree. I think the shy male LI is becaming a little repetitive for me (I don't mind the kind of embarassed/confused as in Garrus's romance, where he is mostly confused about human/turian differences, and with the fact that these two races aren't still in the best of terms, it makes sense). I loved Alistair, but I guess I'm starting to be tired of the thrope. If you compare Miranda with Jacob, Morrigan with Alistair, Ashley with Kaidan, Silk Fox with Sky and Bastila with Carth, the women always seem to be less introvert, more powerfull, expressive, and salient. Yes, is something I have noticed: overall, female Lis have always had much more varied and strong personalities. Males always seem to me like on the "safe" side, if not quite boring (at least for me). But "varied" is for me the strong point. Even most backgrounds of female LIs had more variety. Past lover dead? (know as Carth syndrome) post Neverwinter Nights (I never played a male character in past games, so I have no idea...I know the very first "dead lover" was a BG characters, but basically the only female one with Carth syndrome): male: Carth, Sky, Cortez, Thane, Zevran, Anders. female: Cassandra, Jack. Not only the numbers are quite on the disproportionate side: but the situations are quite different: all male Lis lost someone who they dearly loved (Zev and Anders are the only non married, but both had very strong feelings towards their lost lovers) Jack lost a man who was in love with her, but she didn't really much attached to him, while for Cassandra it was a off screen with whom she had parted ways long before. And this without considering the variety in type of characters: in ME, Kaidan, Garrus, Jacob are all soldiar/military, Cortez still military but a pilot/mechanic. Thane an assasin. The ladyes: Miranda: hight rank in a terrorist association, head of a scientist team. Tali: engineer, mechanic and Geth expert. Jack: what is she didn't do?!? She is a poet too!!! Liara: archeologist and Shadow broker. Only Ashley is "just" a soldiar. I can easily see Garrus being Archangel having a boost in being liked by so many people because, well, I guess he is one of the few males (the other is Thane) that can somehow compete with all the flashy and exiting female characters ME present.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 21:43:35 GMT
The reason why male characters are so self-effacing is because otherwise they'd eclipse the male PC. Your perky sharp and bossy female companions make males swoon, but try a rival male in a party, and even your quiet gaming nerd will find that inner alpha male... and that is why I'd rather see a full out of party romance with a grand and interesting plot-important male character, than get a watered down guy without ambitions or much talents or if he has ambitions, he'll end up potentially betraying the PC, like Bishop, Atton, Zevran, Quinn, etc, while all those female characters will stand firm behind the PC.
Male players hated even Zenith despite BioWare carefully restricting his personal ambitions to a very local political control of Balmorra. But he was vocal about it, edgy, made descision and had a flashy intro. The result? One of the most hated characters in SWTOR cast. Was Zenith a female, I bet you dollars to donuts, she'd be a fan favorite.
Garrus is notable as the most successful attempt at a character that is a bro to the male pc, and a lover to a female one. A non-sucesful one is exemplified in Corso, who swings between these two states in fits of a character schizophrenia.
To be fair, Jaheira's husband Khalid was the first casualty in BioWare romances in Bg2. Anomen had a dead sister, and then most of the men with romances sported a dead important female as a part of their backstory. Anomen, Carth, Atton, etc.
They are also almost never mages, and, notably, not one Jedi/Sith in SWTOR. Yep, in the SW game, in 8 class stories, out of 40 companions and numerous out of party flirts, a female PC never gets to flirt with a dashing Jedi knight or a dangerous Sith Lord. Not once.
Female gamers' lot much improved over the years, and did so progressively. We are way better off than in Anomen's era. Let's hope Andromeda does not dissappoint.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jan 10, 2017 23:49:13 GMT
I sincerely doubt Liam is going to be the shy type. He looks to be as bubbly as Sara. Look at his goggles. Reminds me of Rikku.
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Post by GalentheYounger on Jan 11, 2017 0:01:03 GMT
I sincerely doubt Liam is going to be the shy type. He looks to be as bubbly as Sara. Look at his goggles. Reminds me of Rikku. I get a very strong sense that Liam is going to be bubbly at the beginning but toward the end will become embittered and Ryder will have to 'save' him. You know, a typical trope. Anyhoo, I have the most hope for a Liam romance. I actually want Sara's and his personalities to clash - having arguments that eventually turn into banter, different viewpoints, etc. I think that would be a great love story for the two and provide some dimension to Liam. I agree with previous posters that alot of the male LIs did not have as many dimensions as some of the female ones, and as much as I loved Kaidan, i just wanted.. more. Hopefully Andromeda will provide that.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Jan 11, 2017 0:15:05 GMT
And turians aren't birds. They're dinosaur cat crickets. OBVIOUSLY. Yeah, I always thought turians looked cat-like, not bird-like, personally. He is a dying, walking and talking lizard, actually. Were he a fish, he'd be fine, poor dear. Yeah, Thane would have no problem living on the water world Kahje if he was a fish. We actually haven't had a fish species in Mass Effect, not counting the fish in aquariums. Do hanar count? I believe jellyfish are considered fish on Earth, not that that necessarily translates over to alien worlds/species. What happened with Love is Love and all that bullshit? We can romance a dying walking and talking Fish but we won't be able to bang our brother? Why thank you for this amazing Mal gif I was missing. I will put it right next to this one well, I'd be kinda sad if humans are everything that gay Scott gets. One human is okay, but I think we only get two LI's, so I'd be more pleased about one human and one alien. I'd be annoyed if I only got aliens, too. Probably best if the humans are the bi options so everyone gets a human and an alien if that's what they want to do. Personally, though, all else being equal I'd prefer human options. I prefer to clean shaven or stubble for facial hair. Sideburns and well-groomed goatees can be negotiable though. I'd love longer hair on the LIs of both genders. Something like Miranda's length. Thought I'd post a few guys with longer hair than you usually see in movies/games etc. since you mentioned it: Most of the other alien species have been reptilian, so naturally they would be hairless. If there is another alien species who is mammalian, like us, then they would. I hope to see some other mammalian species as all the others have pretty much been glorified lizards. (As much as I love them, they are all reptiles) (Also, are elcors lizard bears?) Only two Mass Effect species have been reptiles: Drell and Krogan. We've had more mammalian species than reptilian: Asari, Batarian, Elcor, and Quarian. Aren't salarians reptiles, or reptile-analogues? While asari do fit the mammalian description, they are very fish-like. Perhaps we shouldn't try to use our earth descriptions on aliens. No, live birth is not a requirement for mammals since we have two species of mammals on Earth who lay eggs and we have non-mammals that give live birth like some reptiles and fish. What makes an animal a mammal is that they feed their young with mammary glands, hence the name. Huh... I somehow never heard that before. I'm kind of torn at this point because, while I'm hopeful for Liam, I'm not sure if he's going to my type (he seems like he might be a spikey haired, goggle-wearing anime looking guy, but maybe I'm being cynical.Hey, I think I found a picture of Liam for you! Garrus is leading, not at all surprised by this... Haha, awesome. I had some great times using the Typhoon in MP... even after they nerfed it, it still shreds things "EMPLOYING DEVASTATOR MODE", indeed. I feel like they'll be more than two male romances for Scott. Don't know why, since it hasn't happened before, it's just a feeling I have. And that's not including the "light" romances. Well, they say this game will have more romances than any previous Bioware game so it could certainly be possible. I'm still sure they're counting flings in that number and that's the only reason we'll have more "romances" than ever before. I bet we'll get the standard 2/2/2 for "full" romances. But with flings in mind, yeah, I bet there will be more than 2 male options for Scott. I'm not very much into the nerd shy, akward type, though, in fact, I'm not into shy and/or awkward at all. I agree. I think the shy male LI is becaming a little repetitive for me (I don't mind the kind of embarassed/confused as in Garrus's romance, where he is mostly confused about human/turian differences, and with the fact that these two races aren't still in the best of terms, it makes sense). I loved Alistair, but I guess I'm starting to be tired of the thrope.I'd love a shy/awkward female option. Mix things up a little.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 11, 2017 0:30:35 GMT
Yeah, Thane would have no problem living on the water world Kahje if he was a fish. We actually haven't had a fish species in Mass Effect, not counting the fish in aquariums. Do hanar count? I believe jellyfish are considered fish on Earth, not that that necessarily translates over to alien worlds/species. Only two Mass Effect species have been reptiles: Drell and Krogan. We've had more mammalian species than reptilian: Asari, Batarian, Elcor, and Quarian. Aren't salarians reptiles, or reptile-analogues? While asari do fit the mammalian description, they are very fish-like. Perhaps we shouldn't try to use our earth descriptions on aliens. No, live birth is not a requirement for mammals since we have two species of mammals on Earth who lay eggs and we have non-mammals that give live birth like some reptiles and fish. What makes an animal a mammal is that they feed their young with mammary glands, hence the name. Huh... I somehow never heard that before. Well, they say this game will have more romances than any previous Bioware game so it could certainly be possible. I'm still sure they're counting flings in that number and that's the only reason we'll have more "romances" than ever before. I bet we'll get the standard 2/2/2 for "full" romances. But with flings in mind, yeah, I bet there will be more than 2 male options for Scott. You sure didn't make this easy for me to reply to your replies to me, did you? 1. No, despite the name Jellyfish are not actually fish. Fish are of the phylum Chordate, where Jellyfish are of the phylum Cnidaria. Jellyfish are related to sea anemones and coral. 2. Salarians are amphibians, not reptiles. This is even said in game. They are basically super advanced salamanders, even having a similar name. 3. Now you know. 4. Maybe, but they could be doing more. I hope more than just the 2/2/2 scenario. I'm hoping for at least a 2/4/2 setup among the main romances. Otherwise the romance I'm hoping for will probably be a minor one or a fling.
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Post by chisalpine on Jan 11, 2017 3:01:57 GMT
I want some Japanese-Brazillian guys who will constantly disobey me and annoying as hell but his back story will blow my mind for my BroRyder XD
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Post by Vall on Jan 11, 2017 4:51:26 GMT
Only two Mass Effect species have been reptiles: Drell and Krogan. We've had more mammalian species than reptilian: Asari, Batarian, Elcor, and Quarian. Aren't salarians reptiles, or reptile-analogues? While asari do fit the mammalian description, they are very fish-like. Perhaps we shouldn't try to use our earth descriptions on aliens. Salarians are amphibian, not reptilian I'm kind of torn at this point because, while I'm hopeful for Liam, I'm not sure if he's going to my type (he seems like he might be a spikey haired, goggle-wearing anime looking guy, but maybe I'm being cynical.Hey, I think I found a picture of Liam for you! Well, that certainly fits the description (Well, outside of not being black )
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 11, 2017 5:10:59 GMT
Hey, I think I found a picture of Liam for you! Well, that certainly fits the description (Well, outside of not being black ) Better?
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Post by Vall on Jan 11, 2017 5:18:39 GMT
Well, that certainly fits the description (Well, outside of not being black ) Better? Nah, he doesn't sound british (IIRC...I didn't play overwatch very long ) and I wasn't criticizing it, I was surprised how well that fit the description
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 11, 2017 5:20:52 GMT
Better? Nah, he doesn't sound british (IIRC...I didn't play overwatch very long ) I was just aiming for appearance-wise.
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Post by Vall on Jan 11, 2017 5:21:15 GMT
Nah, he doesn't sound british (IIRC...I didn't play overwatch very long ) I was just aiming for appearance-wise. fair enough
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 11, 2017 5:23:13 GMT
I was just aiming for appearance-wise. fair enough I have to say though as I made that post I literally almost put a note saying *but with a British accent*.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Jan 11, 2017 5:26:51 GMT
Do hanar count? I believe jellyfish are considered fish on Earth, not that that necessarily translates over to alien worlds/species. Aren't salarians reptiles, or reptile-analogues? While asari do fit the mammalian description, they are very fish-like. Perhaps we shouldn't try to use our earth descriptions on aliens. Huh... I somehow never heard that before. I'm still sure they're counting flings in that number and that's the only reason we'll have more "romances" than ever before. I bet we'll get the standard 2/2/2 for "full" romances. But with flings in mind, yeah, I bet there will be more than 2 male options for Scott. You sure didn't make this easy for me to reply to your replies to me, did you? 1. No, despite the name Jellyfish are not actually fish. Fish are of the phylum Chordate, where Jellyfish are of the phylum Cnidaria. Jellyfish are related to sea anemones and coral. 2. Salarians are amphibians, not reptiles. This is even said in game. They are basically super advanced salamanders, even having a similar name. 3. Now you know. 4. Maybe, but they could be doing more. I hope more than just the 2/2/2 scenario. I'm hoping for at least a 2/4/2 setup among the main romances. Otherwise the romance I'm hoping for will probably be a minor one or a fling. Sorry 1. Huh. They don't seem like anemones or coral to me, but I suppose having no (standard) brain or blood might account for that. 2. Of course! Silly of me... I forgot. Although I tend to think of amphibians as reptiles, which is undoubtedly inaccurate I'm sure. 3. Yes indeed, seems obvious in hindsight. Also, in case you haven't noticed, biology isn't my area despite having a passive interest in it. 4. To get back on topic, I agree completely, even about thinking that if I do like a romance, it'll end up being a minor one. I'm trying to temper my expectations, hence the 2/2/2, since that's the minimum Bioware will probably have now. But 2/4/2 would be great!
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Jan 11, 2017 5:30:27 GMT
Hey, I think I found a picture of Liam for you! Well, that certainly fits the description (Well, outside of not being black ) You know, I didn't even think of the British part when posting that. It's even closer than I thought And yeah, amphibians... silly me! Thanks. I hate being wrong. It's one of my faults
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Post by London on Jan 11, 2017 5:50:41 GMT
Scott's so hot I do t know if I need to choose an option. Just install a ceiling mirror over my bed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 6:14:12 GMT
Garrus? *hasnt done his romance yet... FemShep isn't quite ready for service yet..*
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 10:23:13 GMT
The reason why male characters are so self-effacing is because otherwise they'd eclipse the male PC. Your perky sharp and bossy female companions make males swoon, but try a rival male in a party, and even your quiet gaming nerd will find that inner alpha male... and that is why I'd rather see a full out of party romance with a grand and interesting plot-important male character, than get a watered down guy without ambitions or much talents or if he has ambitions, he'll end up potentially betraying the PC, like Bishop, Atton, Zevran, Quinn, etc, while all those female characters will stand firm behind the PC. Male players hated even Zenith despite BioWare carefully restricting his personal ambitions to a very local political control of Balmorra. But he was vocal about it, edgy, made descision and had a flashy intro. The result? One of the most hated characters in SWTOR cast. Was Zenith a female, I bet you dollars to donuts, she'd be a fan favorite. Garrus is notable as the most successful attempt at a character that is a bro to the male pc, and a lover to a female one. A non-sucesful one is exemplified in Corso, who swings between these two states in fits of a character schizophrenia. To be fair, Jaheira's husband Khalid was the first casualty in BioWare romances in Bg2. Anomen had a dead sister, and then most of the men with romances sported a dead important female as a part of their backstory. Anomen, Carth, Atton, etc. They are also almost never mages, and, notably, not one Jedi/Sith in SWTOR. Yep, in the SW game, in 8 class stories, out of 40 companions and numerous out of party flirts, a female PC never gets to flirt with a dashing Jedi knight or a dangerous Sith Lord. Not once. Female gamers' lot much improved over the years, and did so progressively. We are way better off than in Anomen's era. Let's hope Andromeda does not dissappoint. I absolutely agree with you, but I hope it counts for gay/lesbian gamers as well. I don't want something minor like Steve again and always envied females for having Solas. I really love story relevant romances and couldn't enjoy the game, because he wasn't available to my gender but the most important character (together with Cassandra). I hope it's more balanced this time, and that we'll finally have an alpha male. Though to be honest, I doubt it. From hat I've heard I think the bossy sharp character will be female again (i get a Morrigan vibe from Peebee) and Vetra seems to be quite strict and strong too. Liam on the other hand tends to be a more unexperienced character. But I still hope for the best...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 11:23:28 GMT
Well, that certainly fits the description (Well, outside of not being black ) Better? Yep. That's kind of what I'm fearing. I'm sure that Liam won't be too much in that style, but spikey 'cool' hair and goggles immediately makes me think of character designs like that and......ugh. No thanks. Hopefully we can see his face and hair soon enough so that we can stop speculating and move onto blind criticism/defending of every aspect of the character. That's the next stage in our little BSN game, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 12:28:52 GMT
I have a feeling that Liam will be reminiscent of Koth Vortena in SWTOR, as they seem to cross-pollinate character concepts once in a while, and Koth did not get a lot of audience since he was in one of the later story segments of the game, that most BioWare players did not really get to. I am actually curious how much they will reuse, but not curious enough to pay for the later SWTOR chapters. Or even play through the ones I own, sadly.
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Post by Vall on Jan 11, 2017 12:36:07 GMT
Better? Yep. That's kind of what I'm fearing. I'm sure that Liam won't be too much in that style, but spikey 'cool' hair and goggles immediately makes me think of character designs like that and......ugh. No thanks. Hopefully we can see his face and hair soon enough so that we can stop speculating and move onto blind criticism/defending of every aspect of the character. That's the next stage in our little BSN game, right?Hehe, indeed
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Post by Ianamus on Jan 11, 2017 13:12:29 GMT
Well, they say this game will have more romances than any previous Bioware game so it could certainly be possible. I'm still sure they're counting flings in that number and that's the only reason we'll have more "romances" than ever before. I bet we'll get the standard 2/2/2 for "full" romances. But with flings in mind, yeah, I bet there will be more than 2 male options for Scott. I'm expecting to have the same number as Inquisition, what with the similar scope and development time, and inquisition had 4/2/2 if I remember correctly. I'd expect it to be distributed a bit more evenly this time, though. I'm not sure if they include 'fling' type options in that statistic. When I read "light romances" I read it as more Scout Harding style. Where you can get a proper relationship but there isn't as much content or scenes as the others. There's a lot of middle ground that could be explored as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 13:30:28 GMT
I am basically hoping for Numen Brock's type romance that is integrated into an adventure story for one of the main plot planets with a cool out of party alpha-male. A strong and fun romance like that, occurring in a form of actions and quick flirts right in the whirlwind of battles is what I crave, not 25 dialogues about the character background (that can go into codex, heh) in a safe and boring location. At least in NWN2 they put you on the roof with a fool moon. It was corny, but better than "on the ship"/"in the tent" stuff.
But Numen was great. He was a resistance-contracted smuggler, you did a few dangerous missions while trading flirts, then broke him out of Imperial gaol (and got an aww kiss while the blaster fire was tearing the building down)... the only downer was the final FTB that was like a standard Bio invite to the fireplace or some such unrewarding nonsense. I was hoping to get away to one of them dramatic Balmorra canyons and look at those amazing sunrises they have there 24/7.
Anyway, I suppose what I am looking for is many short "in action" flirt exchanges and two or three landscape/action cutscenes for kisses or ftb. Though I will trade ftb off for more really cool emotional cutscenes in awesome locations or situations.
If they could add a couple-three males like that on half the planets we do the main story on, and leave another half for female analogues, I'd be happy & won't care if all the companions were just teammates.
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Post by RogueState on Jan 11, 2017 13:48:48 GMT
Beard, it's all about the beard. And if there is ginger beard, oh my *fans self*
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire
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Post by Destructive Deer on Jan 11, 2017 14:02:48 GMT
I like my male LI's with dark hair and a stubble, not exactly a beard but no clean baby face either... Which may or may not be the reason why I have Bucky as my icon Having said that: aliens with facial hair - specifically stubble or beard - seems odd to me and doesn't really work in my opinion. Though it does depend on the alien, but so far Bioware has shown to be in favour of hairless aliens. As far as personality goes I agree with what has been said so far in this thread; I'd like to see the male and female LI's switch personalities for once. I'd kill for an adorable, shy and cute female LI or an assertive, confident male LI. (Preferably available for femRyder) And I'm not quite sure I understand why everyone loves Garrus so much, at least as an LI - albeit my experience with his romance has been limited so far. Don't get me wrong, he's a great character and very enjoyable, but so far my Garrusmancing FemShep has been stuck in ME2 and the romance has been so 'eh' up until then I haven't been bothered to take her to the next game. He feels more like a best friend than a lover. Then again I don't understand romantic relationships either. The criteria seems to change with every single person I talk to.
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