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Post by bekkael on Jan 14, 2017 20:35:19 GMT
I'm skeptical for two main reasons: ME3 and DAI. I used to be a raving Bio fangirl on the old forums, insisting that BioWare would never make a game that I wouldn't love....then ME3 ending followed by DAI happened and I became disillusioned. Not to mention them closing the forums entirely and dumping the community on its collective and "toxic" butt. (Major kudos to the folks who made this wonderful refuge! It's far better than the other forums ever were.) The best I can hope is that I don't hate MEA. It's just wait and see now, but my old faith and trust is no more.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Jan 14, 2017 20:36:25 GMT
People are being sceptical because the entire game seems like the most desperate attempt to continue a franchise.
They went as far as taking all the familiar things and moving them to another freaking galaxy. It makes no sense story-wise, it makes no sense lore-wise, but all that be damned. Mass Effect = $$$
It also seems like instead of boldly expanding upon what we all think Mass Effect is/should be, they're going the safe route and injecting it with as much ME1 nostalgia as they can.
The results so far seem all too familiar, and not exactly what I'd call new or exciting.
Just think about it. The one and only reason they moved the entire freaking franchise to another freaking galaxy is to not have to address the endings they created whatsoever.
MEA is nothing more than an excuse to have Mass Effect. It's not meant to make sense. It's not meant to provide answers. It's probably just meant to have things that go boom. In space. And make shitloads of money for EA.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 14, 2017 20:51:22 GMT
People are being sceptical because the entire game seems like the most desperate attempt to continue a franchise. They went as far as taking all the familiar things and moving them to another freaking galaxy. It makes no sense story-wise, it makes no sense lore-wise, but all that be damned. Mass Effect = $$$ It also seems like instead of boldly expanding upon what we all think Mass Effect is/should be, they're going the safe route and injecting it with as much ME1 nostalgia as they can. The results so far seem all too familiar, and not exactly what I'd call new or exciting. Just think about it. The one and only reason they moved the entire freaking franchise to another freaking galaxy is to not have to address the endings they created whatsoever. MEA is nothing more than an excuse to have Mass Effect. It's not meant to make sense. It's not meant to provide answers. It's probably just meant to have things that go boom. In space. And make shitloads of money for EA. Well can we at least wait for the game to actually come out before we judge it like this?
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Post by tiamariegamer on Jan 14, 2017 20:53:17 GMT
I definitely find some of the skepticism a bit annoying sometimes. It sometimes feels like no matter what Bioware does people are looking for something to go wrong or reasons to hate on a game that hasn't even been released yet. I get that people feel they have been burned in the past by other games or even Bioware. However to pick apart every little thing can not only ruin the experience for themselves but for other people too. Personally I think that skepticism is much healthier for the average consumer than hype. I mean, especially considering various gaming "success stories" from the not too distant past. I get why skepticism seems safer and I think a little bit is fine. It's more when I feel like people are looking for excuses to not like the game or when there's harsh judgements about MEA when it hasn't been released yet. I also agree that to much hype can be a bit dangerous if you are expecting certain specific things it could possibly be a let down. Having a balance between hype and realism is where I personally feel is best.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Jan 14, 2017 20:55:35 GMT
People are being sceptical because the entire game seems like the most desperate attempt to continue a franchise. They went as far as taking all the familiar things and moving them to another freaking galaxy. It makes no sense story-wise, it makes no sense lore-wise, but all that be damned. Mass Effect = $$$ It also seems like instead of boldly expanding upon what we all think Mass Effect is/should be, they're going the safe route and injecting it with as much ME1 nostalgia as they can. The results so far seem all too familiar, and not exactly what I'd call new or exciting. Just think about it. The one and only reason they moved the entire freaking franchise to another freaking galaxy is to not have to address the endings they created whatsoever. MEA is nothing more than an excuse to have Mass Effect. It's not meant to make sense. It's not meant to provide answers. It's probably just meant to have things that go boom. In space. And make shitloads of money for EA. Well can we at least wait for the game to actually come out before we judge it like this? I'm not judging. I'm just explaining why I have very little faith in the direction they're taking things. You ask a question, and I answer. The whole thing seems like a recipe for disaster. It's better to have low expectations anyway.
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Post by Fredward on Jan 14, 2017 21:00:15 GMT
Skepticism is fine, it definitely has its place. And I appreciate a forum that has it be easily visible (unlike Facebook, Tumblr, Twitter etc) and doesn't make it go away if people don't wanna hear it (Reddit). Ofc you do get the hyperbolic types that have ostensibly sworn off this series forever yet still decide to fill their days complaining about it for some reason but it's fine.
Manveer Heir is a terrible person but that's neither here nor there.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 14, 2017 21:02:12 GMT
There really isn't that much negative skepticism about this game. As their could be. As evidenced by this thread here and this thread here. Just a very vocal minority poo pooing on one aspect of the game or another, and a few posters poo pooing on the entire game as a whole. Personally I am pretty hopeful for the game. I am not 'as hyped' as I was for ME 3 or DA I but then BioWare has chosen a much different approach to their marketing this time out. And...probably the better one even though I really liked DA Is marking campaign. But, as others have pointed out, skepticism is not exactly a bad thing. Especially not when its argued well. People have their own opinions and tastes and a game must cater to those if the game is to be successful and even in the brief bits of gameplay we have seen BioWare is changing a lot. Now I look forward to many of these changes, and some I am curious to see if it will work.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 14, 2017 21:02:33 GMT
Well can we at least wait for the game to actually come out before we judge it like this? I'm not judging. I'm just explaining why I have very little faith in the direction they're taking things. You ask a question, and I answer. The whole thing seems like a recipe for disaster. It's better to have low expectations anyway. What exactly what would you consider new or exciting? I agree it's better to have low expectations but it sounds like you have no interest in ever buying the game.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 14, 2017 21:05:49 GMT
I get why skepticism seems safer and I think a little bit is fine. It's more when I feel like people are looking for excuses to not like the game or when there's harsh judgements about MEA when it hasn't been released yet. I also agree that to much hype can be a bit dangerous if you are expecting certain specific things it could possibly be a let down. Having a balance between hype and realism is where I personally feel is best. I find hype to be useless and damaging. Virtually every video game I was hyped about in recent years turned out to be a disappointment on some level. Edit: Aside from The Witcher 3. I was really happy with that game. I've only been hyped really for 2 maybe 3 games. One became the best game I ever played, one was a 'dissapointment' but only because I was expecting it to be the best game I ever played and it still ended up being awesome, and then the other one ended up being pretty solid but had one GP feature in it that really, really, detracted from the overall experience.
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Post by DalishRanger on Jan 14, 2017 21:14:17 GMT
Much as I am hyped for the game, my expectations are more abstract. I never expect something to be the "best game ever" - I just expect to enjoy it, and as long as I have good customization, choices and an engaging story and characters to play with, I'm usually happy. I have preferences but they're not usually strong. For instance, while I'm not wild about a 3 power limit, I probably only used 3-4 powers most of the time in the original trilogy so at the end of the day it's not something I get worked up over. Exploring? Can be fun, can get tedious - I'll wait and see for the actual game on how I'll feel about it. There's too little info for me to judge strongly on the details. Usually there are things I don't care for I thought I'd like and things I liked I wasn't sure I would. As long as the overall game is fun, I'll be happy.
I always get excited before a big game release (mostly BioWare and Bethesda titles). Even in the case of ME3's endings, there was still a lot about the game that I enjoyed through the journey, so I'm less cynical and wary than some are. Can't fault them for it though, and debate and skepticism can be good in the right measure. Frankly despite being excited for MEA myself, I'd be more concerned if people were ONLY talking about how awesome the game was going to be, and no discussion of substance on the finer nuances. I may not always agree with the skepticism or concerns, but having those talks are important for seeing what people expect out of a game, what fans find fun, what works and what doesn't, etc. It's largely opinion and not always unified, but having that information out there at all - good and bad - is better than no substance at all.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Jan 14, 2017 21:14:25 GMT
I'm not judging. I'm just explaining why I have very little faith in the direction they're taking things. You ask a question, and I answer. The whole thing seems like a recipe for disaster. It's better to have low expectations anyway. What exactly what would you consider new or exciting? I agree it's better to have low expectations but it sounds like you have no interest in ever buying the game. Something that makes me go "Wow, I haven't seen that before in Mass Effect. You can tell we're in another galaxy!". To be honest at this point I'm not buying the game. I'll probably end up borrowing it from my friend or something, or getting it with a hefty discount somewhere in the future. Unless, you know, my friend tells me I should really play this game, because the story is really fucking good. I'm enough of a Mass Effect fan to give it a try at some point, but at this point I'm just afraid it'll ruin the franchise for me. Just being honest. You won't see me trolling the hype threads.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 14, 2017 21:16:24 GMT
Much as I am hyped for the game, my expectations are more abstract. I expect to enjoy the story and characters and the rest are vague. I have preferences but they're not usually strong. For instance, while I'm not wild about a 3 power limit, I probably only used 3-4 powers most of the time in the original trilogy so at the end of the day it's not something I get worked up over. Exploring? Can be fun, can get tedious - I'll wait and see for the actual game on how I'll feel about it. There's too little info for me to judge strongly on the details. Usually there are things I don't care for I thought I'd like and things I liked I wasn't sure I would. As long as the overall game is fun, I'll be happy. I always get excited before a big game release (mostly BioWare and Bethesda titles). I never expect something to be the "best game ever" - I just expect to enjoy it, and as long as I have good customization, choices and an engaging story and characters to play with, I'm usually happy. Even in the case of ME3's endings, there was still a lot about the game that I enjoyed through the journey, so I'm less cynical and wary than some are. Can't fault them for it though, and debate and skepticism can be good in the right measure. Frankly despite being excited for MEA myself, I'd be more concerned if people were ONLY talking about how awesome the game was going to be, and no discussion of substance on the finer nuances. I may not always agree with the skepticism or concerns, but having those talks are important for seeing what people expect out of a game, what fans find fun, what works and what doesn't, etc. It's largely opinion and not always unified, but having that information out there at all - good and bad - is better than no substance at all. Your feelings pretty mucn mirror mine when it comes to the three power limit. I mean combat can be cool. Combat is a big draw for games, and even BioWare games. But its never been the main draw. Like for DA O and DA 2 I HATED both games combat systems, hated, hated, hated. *jumps up and down* But I sitll enjoyed both games. DA 2 especially. I mean maybe hate is too strong a word. But I really did not enjoy the combat regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 21:18:15 GMT
I'm not judging. I'm just explaining why I have very little faith in the direction they're taking things. You ask a question, and I answer. The whole thing seems like a recipe for disaster. It's better to have low expectations anyway. What exactly what would you consider new or exciting? I agree it's better to have low expectations but it sounds like you have no interest in ever buying the game. I'm just gonna see how it turns out, then I'll buy it if I like it. And, yes, I'll spoil myself to the very end of the game before playing it.
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Post by DalishRanger on Jan 14, 2017 21:27:05 GMT
Your feelings pretty mucn mirror mine when it comes to the three power limit. I mean combat can be cool. Combat is a big draw for games, and even BioWare games. But its never been the main draw. Like for DA O and DA 2 I HATED both games combat systems, hated, hated, hated. *jumps up and down* But I sitll enjoyed both games. DA 2 especially. I mean maybe hate is too strong a word. But I really did not enjoy the combat regardless. I don't mind DA2's system aside from the drop-down enemies. Annoying as all get out. On replays I make a LOT of use of the killallhostiles command. As for DA:O, its combat has not aged well. I still replay it, but with heavy mods to make combat more tolerable or more of the killallhostiles - because on the replays, I'm mostly doing it for the characters and stories, not combat. I don't play BioWare games for combat, I look to action games for that. Do I want to enjoy the combat? Of course. It has to be some degree of enjoyable on at least a basic level the first time around, but I have more leeway for story/character focused games and the combat before I reach my "this is not playable" threshold. That said, while I am more a sword and board fantasy geek and enjoy DA more on a story/world level, I enjoy playing the ME series more because the combat is leaps and bounds more fun for me (though ME1 also hasn't aged greatly - it feels clunky now but has good points. I personally loved the overload concept and think it coudl've been refined rather than scrapped) But yeah, I actually dislike the combat of some BioWare games, I just work around them to get to the parts I enjoy. I'm definitely not going to fault someone who doesn't think they should have to work around it, that it should be fun on its own merits - perfectly valid criticism and concern for new games. We all have different things we enjoy the most for different reasons. I just don't often post my nitpicks because I'm more of a lurker and others usually put it much more eloquently than I do, so I just hit the "like" - or sometimes I'll like a point I may not exactly agree with, but is well made. I save my posts for when I feel like I have something more to say than, "Yeah me too!" - which tends to be more on the positive side of things I suppose, but I'm okay with that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 21:44:23 GMT
Who or what is Manveer Heir?! edit: *googles Manveer Heir* Oh dear
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jan 14, 2017 21:44:39 GMT
Can't speak for other people but I'm not a doom sayer nor a biased fanboy, right now I'm simply judging the game by the content they've shown us so far, and this is where all my skepticism comes from. Many of the design choices and lore decisions seem weird and/or completely illogical. Maybe its going to be a good game after all but if I'm purely going by the information I have about this game it does not look very awesome.
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Post by Muddy Boots on Jan 14, 2017 21:45:08 GMT
I haven't seen any game that hasn't had a good amount of skepticism posted by fans before launch. It's the nature of the beast. We see only a few bits and pieces and of course people are going to make assumptions based on only a partial picture. That said, while it's too late for Bioware to change anything at this point, I'm sure they'll take any feedback and constructive criticism to heart once we all actually do get to play.
Personally, I do want this game, did preorder and expect I'll enjoy it. I also take everything I see with a grain of salt and don't expect the game to be the "best I've ever seen." I can't think of any game that I can say that for.
I know that there are going to be things that I don't like. I do know there will be things I do like a lot and will probably find more of those. Perfection isn't something that's possible in any game. All I want is something to play and enjoy for a few hours when I have some down time.
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Post by Debaser on Jan 14, 2017 21:48:29 GMT
Having only 10 minutes or so of total gameplay with two months to go until release is a valid reason to be skeptical. Personally, I'm excited for ME:A but I've pretty much avoided all news on it so I'm just going to buy it in faith that it is good since I really enjoyed Inquisition.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 14, 2017 21:50:07 GMT
Because the ME3 ending made people distrustful. At least that's my opinion. In some cases people just troll like they do everywhere else. But alot of people also have the mindset of "if I think it sucks and it does I won't be dissapointed but if it rocks I will be amped". I do agree the amount of skepticism is a bit overwhelming
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 14, 2017 21:51:11 GMT
Who or what is Manveer Heir?! edit: *googles Manveer Heir* Oh dear yeah I have no clhat they are talking about either
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 14, 2017 21:54:11 GMT
Can't speak for other people but I'm not a doom sayer nor a biased fanboy, right now I'm simply judging the game by the content they've shown us so far, and this is where all my skepticism comes from. Many of the design choices and lore decisions seem weird and/or completely illogical. Maybe its going to be a good game after all but if I'm purely going by the information I have about this game it does not look very awesome. I mean.....what would look awesome to you?
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Just a brief trip down his twitter timeline was all I needed to know, what a hateful individual, genuinely shocked he works at BioWare
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 14, 2017 22:05:37 GMT
Can't speak for other people but I'm not a doom sayer nor a biased fanboy, right now I'm simply judging the game by the content they've shown us so far, and this is where all my skepticism comes from. Many of the design choices and lore decisions seem weird and/or completely illogical. Maybe its going to be a good game after all but if I'm purely going by the information I have about this game it does not look very awesome. I mean.....what would look awesome to you? The irony being that Indians/Asians actually make more money in America on average than Whites do.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 14, 2017 22:17:35 GMT
Well, I can't talk for everyone, so I'm just going to post my reasons. In the years, I've become a jaded gamer mainly because of EA DLC policy, the two awards for worst company of the USA (it got better, and I acknowledge that, but they are two stains too much), knowing it still continues to own Bioware, some choice on the story and the plot of ME3 (or to be more precise, the lack of importance of some decisions and some rushed areas) and the general direction of the gaming industry, especially when core gameplay features of a genre are sacrificed in the name of over simplification of gameplay mechanics. Regarding the last point in particular, if a game is good I like to think taking the time to learn its in and out adds values: when an RTS tastes too much like an FPS instead, or is “dumbed down” too much to be more friendly to newcomers, I fear something has been lost along the way. Products of love and labour are unique because they stay with you along the years: fast selling blockbusters instead tend to age badly. And transforming the former in a latter is a shame, imo. And in the end, it is better to be a cynic: you can always be pleasantly surprised.
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Post by kino on Jan 14, 2017 22:29:03 GMT
Some people will be pessimistic, some will be optimistic. It's typically the way internet fandoms behave irregardless of the other subject you stated.
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