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Post by redintifada on Jan 17, 2017 2:39:33 GMT
One thing I don't get in the mass effect universe is how on the one hand the ships are so compact and short on space that they have people hot bedding angled beds and cramped masses of bunks, then they have massive private bedrooms for one or two senior officers. Surely that would breed resentment in the ranks? Even if the officers had small rooms or there were a few rooms which were shared between two staff so cabins felt a bit more gradated rather than this massive jump.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 17, 2017 2:47:06 GMT
I read it was a civilian focused initiative. Totally understandable.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 17, 2017 2:53:08 GMT
Smaller ship with little armor. Whereas the Normandy was a larger ship yet had plenty of armor and was a warship.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 17, 2017 2:57:57 GMT
For the space orgies...
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Post by KirkyX on Jan 17, 2017 2:59:30 GMT
Truth be told, there's been very few spaceships in the history of science fiction - particularly science fiction in the visual medium - that don't use space incredibly ineffficiently as compared to actual spacecraft, and even submarines and naval vessels. From the Enterprise - any of them - to the Millennium Falcon, and almost everything in between. I mean, as you allude to, the Normandy - a military vessel - had a giant, multi-level captain's cabin... with an aquarium-scale fish tank... and a skylight? Heck, even the more spartan SR-1 had a good-size captain's quarters while everyone else had to make do with sleeping pods.
In any case, a nice, luxurious cabin - with cool decor and plenty of room for souvenirs, mementos, decorations and such - was one of my fonder hopes for the Tempest, so I'm tremendously glad to see we'll be getting exactly that. That it looks like a somewhat slicker version of a room on the Enterprise-D is just the delicious cherry on top.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 17, 2017 3:02:25 GMT
Truth be told, there's been very few spaceships in the history of science fiction - particularly science fiction in the visual medium - that don't use space incredibly ineffficiently as compared to actual spacecraft, and even submarines and naval vessels. From the Enterprise - any of them - to the Millennium Falcon, and almost everything in between. I mean, as you allude to, the Normandy - a military vessel - had a giant, multi-level captain's cabin... with an aquarium-scale fish tank... and a skylight? Heck, even the more spartan SR-1 had a good-size Captain's quarters while everyone else had to make do with sleeping pods. In any case, a nice, luxurious cabin - with cool decor and plenty of room for souvenirs, mementos, decorations and such, was one of my fonder hopes for the Tempest, so I'm tremendously glad to see we'll be getting exactly that. That it looks like a somewhat slicker version of a room on the Enterprise-D is just the delicious cherry on top. Its kind of funny how much these quarters remind me of the quarters on the Enterprise D. And not neccessarily in a good way either consider how...overblown...they were. But then that's Star Trek for you.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 17, 2017 3:09:47 GMT
Truth be told, there's been very few spaceships in the history of science fiction - particularly science fiction in the visual medium - that don't use space incredibly ineffficiently as compared to actual spacecraft, and even submarines and naval vessels. From the Enterprise - any of them - to the Millennium Falcon, and almost everything in between. I mean, as you allude to, the Normandy - a military vessel - had a giant, multi-level captain's cabin... with an aquarium-scale fish tank... and a skylight? Heck, even the more spartan SR-1 had a good-size Captain's quarters while everyone else had to make do with sleeping pods. In any case, a nice, luxurious cabin - with cool decor and plenty of room for souvenirs, mementos, decorations and such, was one of my fonder hopes for the Tempest, so I'm tremendously glad to see we'll be getting exactly that. That it looks like a somewhat slicker version of a room on the Enterprise-D is just the delicious cherry on top.Right? Sounds so chilling just to picture the Tempest flying around a planet while you - The Pathfinder, can just watch it from a seat
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Post by KirkyX on Jan 17, 2017 3:10:47 GMT
Truth be told, there's been very few spaceships in the history of science fiction - particularly science fiction in the visual medium - that don't use space incredibly ineffficiently as compared to actual spacecraft, and even submarines and naval vessels. From the Enterprise - any of them - to the Millennium Falcon, and almost everything in between. I mean, as you allude to, the Normandy - a military vessel - had a giant, multi-level captain's cabin... with an aquarium-scale fish tank... and a skylight? Heck, even the more spartan SR-1 had a good-size Captain's quarters while everyone else had to make do with sleeping pods. In any case, a nice, luxurious cabin - with cool decor and plenty of room for souvenirs, mementos, decorations and such, was one of my fonder hopes for the Tempest, so I'm tremendously glad to see we'll be getting exactly that. That it looks like a somewhat slicker version of a room on the Enterprise-D is just the delicious cherry on top. Its kind of funny how much these quarters remind me of the quarters on the Enterprise D. And not neccessarily in a good way either consider how...overblown...they were. But then that's Star Trek for you. The whole interior design of the ship gives me Enterprise-D vibes, to be honest. I think it's all the gentle curves, combined with the use of wood. Now, I get why that wouldn't be some people's cup of tea... But, as you can probably imagine, it very much is mine, so I'm pleased as punch. Truth be told, there's been very few spaceships in the history of science fiction - particularly science fiction in the visual medium - that don't use space incredibly ineffficiently as compared to actual spacecraft, and even submarines and naval vessels. From the Enterprise - any of them - to the Millennium Falcon, and almost everything in between. I mean, as you allude to, the Normandy - a military vessel - had a giant, multi-level captain's cabin... with an aquarium-scale fish tank... and a skylight? Heck, even the more spartan SR-1 had a good-size Captain's quarters while everyone else had to make do with sleeping pods. In any case, a nice, luxurious cabin - with cool decor and plenty of room for souvenirs, mementos, decorations and such, was one of my fonder hopes for the Tempest, so I'm tremendously glad to see we'll be getting exactly that. That it looks like a somewhat slicker version of a room on the Enterprise-D is just the delicious cherry on top.Right? Sounds so chilling just to picture the Tempest flying around a planet while you - The Pathfinder, can just watch it from a seat Indeed. I see Ryder leaning on that railing in the Captain's quarters, watching the universe pass by...
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Post by Cypher on Jan 17, 2017 3:13:16 GMT
From my understanding, Captain's and senior officers on military ships have better accommodations than the rest of the crew, so I don't see what the big deal is since they're following that line of thinking.
SR1 had a bigger room for Anderson and Shepard, the SR2 had a bigger room for Shepard, so the Tempest and all of the other Pathfinder ships being the same would fall in line with that. They're the one's in charge, so they get better comfort.
Even if, based on the angles chosen to photograph the captain's room made it seem like the size was bordering on the fantastical, it still makes sense in terms of the hierarchy, especially since the Tempest has a much smaller crew than either Normandy, so the room that would've gone toward housing more crew went to making a more spacious room for the Pathfinder.
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Post by redintifada on Jan 17, 2017 3:24:51 GMT
I read it was a civilian focused initiative. Totally understandable. Even less understandable. Civilians hate hierarchies and privilege on such a dramatic scale.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 3:25:52 GMT
Artists, rather than engineers, design the ships that appear in science fiction series. As such there are always going to be features that seem impractical.
It's one of those things you have to roll with, and suspend disbelief. The captain's quarters in the ME games also has to serve as a backdrop for interaction with the some of the squadmates, so a small and spartan cabin just wouldn't do. A larger and aesthetically interesting cabin is needed to make those scenes more cinematic.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 17, 2017 3:28:40 GMT
Artists, rather than engineers, design the ships that appear in science fiction series. As such there are always going to be features that seem impractical. Not always, but yeah most of the time. Those few times that are the exception also tend to have involved the artists consulting engineers about what would be realistic as they work on the ship/station/etc.
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Post by JokeDealer on Jan 17, 2017 3:29:50 GMT
One thing I don't get in the mass effect universe is how on the one hand the ships are so compact and short on space that they have people hot bedding angled beds and cramped masses of bunks, then they have massive private bedrooms for one or two senior officers. Surely that would breed resentment in the ranks? Even if the officers had small rooms or there were a few rooms which were shared between two staff so cabins felt a bit more gradated rather than this massive jump. It's worth pointing out that the Pathfinder's Quarters are not the same as the Captain's Quarters. In Mass Effect 2 & 3, it made sense for Shepard's quarters to be a tad bigger, since Cerberus wanted things to be more luxurious and devs wanted the player to have their own spot on the ship. It makes sense for the Pathfinder too. The Pathfinder is literally the one in charge of finding a new world to colonize. His or her day-to-day consists of surviving hostile planets, fighting all sorts of dangerous wildlife, surviving attacks from native species, and surviving in general. The fate of his or her ark is in his or her hands. That's a ton of responsibility. If anyone deserves a good night's rest, it's the Pathfinder.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 17, 2017 3:32:55 GMT
I read it was a civilian focused initiative. Totally understandable. Even less understandable. Civilians hate hierarchies and privilege on such a dramatic scale. Yeah, that's why they're under one by the time they arrive and were aware of that. It's the Pathfinder's ship. The Terms Of Use are there.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 17, 2017 3:35:40 GMT
The Pathfinder's role is very important, and these people are picked because of their high level of proficiency in multiple skills. I'm guessing their life for years will be aboard their Pathfinder ship, whereas pilots, scientists, grunts, etc will be rotated out. Thus this is basically their home. That's why the devs talk about decorating the Tempest cabin with momentos. It's home for them. Thus the larger cabin.
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Post by jymm on Jan 17, 2017 3:37:57 GMT
I agree about the impracticality and the necessary suspension of disbelief. So I'm not making too big a deal of it either way. That said, I'll throw out one other thought: if its assumed the captain will need to meet with people there (officers and guests, for example) then its essentially doubling as an office and public as well as private space. There are reasons beyond just hierarchy why company directors have large offices and the white house is larger than a normal house.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 17, 2017 3:39:48 GMT
One thing I don't get in the mass effect universe is how on the one hand the ships are so compact and short on space that they have people hot bedding angled beds and cramped masses of bunks, then they have massive private bedrooms for one or two senior officers. Surely that would breed resentment in the ranks? Even if the officers had small rooms or there were a few rooms which were shared between two staff so cabins felt a bit more gradated rather than this massive jump. The original Normandy did have a larger bedroom for the captain/commander but it also clearly served as his officer. The XO (Shepard or Pressly, depending on where in the game you are) does not have private quarters. The second Normandy, which was built by Cerberus (a private organization) decided on comfort for the captain and XO. However, that went around in numerous ways, like the Starboard and Port observations decks, leather seats for the pilot and probably other stuff I'm not thinking of. As a private organization, they don't care, just as the CEO of a corporation might have an office larger than the apartments of many of his or her staff.. Plus, TIM probably thought they were all likely to die in the end, which is why it was branded a suicide mission.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 17, 2017 3:41:03 GMT
For the space orgies... duh. Has anyone on Twitter confirmed we can do this?
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Post by derrame on Jan 17, 2017 3:46:13 GMT
the captain bedroom has more elements, a pc, invite people, trophies, etc
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Post by Cypher on Jan 17, 2017 3:51:56 GMT
I read it was a civilian focused initiative. Totally understandable. Even less understandable. Civilians hate hierarchies and privilege on such a dramatic scale. My manager has a far larger space than I do, and their manager has a far larger space. Hierarchies exist in the private sector. And with Ai pretty much the creation of private corporations, you can see the Tempest as a department of a company and the Pathfinder as a manager of that department. Their private space being much larger makes sense no matter how you slice it. As large as it is? Maybe not, but there's no way of confirming whether or not it should be that big until we get a solid shot of it that's not at some artistic angle. Either way, them having a bigger room makes sense from a military standpoint, paramilitary standpoint, corporate standpoint, and so on.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Jan 17, 2017 4:04:14 GMT
Truth be told, there's been very few spaceships in the history of science fiction - particularly science fiction in the visual medium - that don't use space incredibly ineffficiently as compared to actual spacecraft, and even submarines and naval vessels. From the Enterprise - any of them - to the Millennium Falcon, and almost everything in between. I mean, as you allude to, the Normandy - a military vessel - had a giant, multi-level captain's cabin... with an aquarium-scale fish tank... and a skylight? Heck, even the more spartan SR-1 had a good-size captain's quarters while everyone else had to make do with sleeping pods. In any case, a nice, luxurious cabin - with cool decor and plenty of room for souvenirs, mementos, decorations and such, was one of my fonder hopes for the Tempest, so I'm tremendously glad to see we'll be getting exactly that. That it looks like a somewhat slicker version of a room on the Enterprise-D is just the delicious cherry on top. The Normandy skylight, while pretty, is a pretty terrible design flaw for a military ship. Though you can't see it from outside, so maybe it's just a hologram sort of thing? Anyway, your last paragraph is a good meta-point for having a fair bit of space. In addition, I'm thinking that the cabin will be used at least a few times for social gatherings, so you need room for everyone there. I'd like that, as well as mementos etc. so I think it's worth having a large cabin even if it seems a bit excessive. On the other hand, is it excessive? If it's like Shepard's SR-2 cabin, it'll take up all of deck 1 (the top of the ship). Since deck 1 is too small for multiple adequate-sized rooms, it makes sense that it would instead end up as a single slightly oversized room. Because of the above, the cabin doesn't bother me. And it is nice Don't get me started on the Nomad/Tempest's (lack of) weapons, though.Even less understandable. Civilians hate hierarchies and privilege on such a dramatic scale. Yeah, that's why they're under one by the time they arrive and were aware of that. It's the Pathfinder's ship. The Terms Of Use are there. Maker, I let out this weird sort of snort-giggle when I saw that Saved.
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Post by KirkyX on Jan 17, 2017 4:20:41 GMT
Truth be told, there's been very few spaceships in the history of science fiction - particularly science fiction in the visual medium - that don't use space incredibly ineffficiently as compared to actual spacecraft, and even submarines and naval vessels. From the Enterprise - any of them - to the Millennium Falcon, and almost everything in between. I mean, as you allude to, the Normandy - a military vessel - had a giant, multi-level captain's cabin... with an aquarium-scale fish tank... and a skylight? Heck, even the more spartan SR-1 had a good-size captain's quarters while everyone else had to make do with sleeping pods. In any case, a nice, luxurious cabin - with cool decor and plenty of room for souvenirs, mementos, decorations and such, was one of my fonder hopes for the Tempest, so I'm tremendously glad to see we'll be getting exactly that. That it looks like a somewhat slicker version of a room on the Enterprise-D is just the delicious cherry on top. The Normandy skylight, while pretty, is a pretty terrible design flaw for a military ship. Though you can't see it from outside, so maybe it's just a hologram sort of thing? Anyway, your last paragraph is a good meta-point for having a fair bit of space. In addition, I'm thinking that the cabin will be used at least a few times for social gatherings, so you need room for everyone there. I'd like that, as well as mementos etc. so I think it's worth having a large cabin even if it seems a bit excessive. On the other hand, is it excessive? If it's like Shepard's SR-2 cabin, it'll take up all of deck 1 (the top of the ship). Since deck 1 is too small for multiple adequate-sized rooms, it makes sense that it would instead end up as a single slightly oversized room. Because of the above, the cabin doesn't bother me. And it is nice Don't get me started on the Nomad/Tempest's (lack of) weapons, though.I just assumed there was a shutter that could close over the top of it, like with the windows in the two observation lounges, and the cockpit. Besides, something something transparent aluminium something... (All the Tempest's windows are almost certainly holograms, though. The ship's small enough that you could deffo see them from the outside, otherwise--particularly the ones in the captain's cabin.) Anyways, yeah, there's plenty of storytelling/gameplay utility in having such a large, sumptuous cabin--even if it wouldn't be terribly practical in the real world. It's like how the Enterprise's bridge was designed to serve as an excellent venue for conversations between characters, rather than as a practical command centre. Speaking of, I think the argument on impracticality with the cabin would be that, well, all that space could've been used for some useful equipment (like those weapons people seem to be so keen on ) instead of a massive room. Like I said, I'm super not-fussed - indeed, I'm pleased by the design - but that's, I think, how some people see it. And yeah, I'm pretty positive it's in the same position as Shepard's--I could be wrong, but to me, the shape suggests that it's in that little bubble on the ship's dorsal-aft:
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Post by sparkysparkyboomgirl on Jan 17, 2017 4:42:47 GMT
But just think of all the activities Ryder can do!
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Post by London on Jan 17, 2017 4:50:00 GMT
My only problem with this is being limited to collecting spaceship models. I wish we could have other interests like breeding space hampsters.
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Post by Gilsa on Jan 17, 2017 5:26:25 GMT
Look. I'm A-OK with the impractically large cabin space for romance purposes as opposed to the open campfire where everyone is sleeping about five feet away from each other. =p
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