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Post by Plague Doctor on Jan 25, 2017 19:08:06 GMT
Seriously. I know most people are against establishing a canon, but for some reason everyone who DOES want one insists on Destroy. Why? Its the most boring potential worldstate. Let me explain:
Imagine Bioware comes out tomorrow and says: "We cancelled all potential Andromeda sequels, instead we are going to make "ME4 : Aftermath" next. Btw - A canon is going to happen, but well let you decide! Heres the poll."
Lets examine what potential for interesting stories we have for each ending.
Destroy: -Rebuilding. Huh, just rebuilding? Thats kinda boring, but alright. Whats next? -Dealing with the loss of sufficiently advanced technology. Thats kinda interesting, i guess. -Shepard may be alive. That just opens a giant can of worms, better to leave it closed.
Synthesis:
-Rebuilding with the help of free willed Reapers. Thats pretty cool, actually.
-Dealing with Husks, Reapers, and other beings gaining sapience and free will. Wow. Dealing with all the positive and negative consequences of that could be extremely interesting!
-Exploring all the changes the new biology caused and how it affects society. Awesome! Especially with Krogan civilization rebuilding and suitless Quarians and Geth living in harmony. How do the Salarians deal with their live expectancy rising drastically? It would change their whole society.
Control:
-Rebuilding with the help of Reapers. That could be interesting.
-Functional Citadel. Thats a plus on all accounts.
-Dealing with Reaper God "Shepard". Now its clear from the EC that RGS isnt our Shepard. Theyre dead. But this is imo the most interesting thing to explore. Shepard was a freaking celebrity before the war. Everyone knows them. So how do people react to RGS? Not everyone will accept them. Some people will form a religion around them for sure.
How are RGS going to handle their job? You could make them the villain. Not a cackling one, but one that means well. Have them indoctrinate dangerous terrorists as a last resort, and then come to the conclusion that the only way to protect everyone is to indoctrinate them. Or have them turn life sentence prisoners into husks without telling anybody. Or something else. There are so many things you can do with this.
Point is, there are so many interesting things they could do with the blue and green ending, but not so much with the red. So why do the canon supporters want it so badly? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 19:27:24 GMT
As someone who suffered the fallout of Revan Canonization multiple times in SWTOR, I am strongly against canon.
the only ending I have played so far was Synthesis, and I am going to do Control this time around. Destroy is the least interesting option imo, but it is the safest, plus aligns with the story aspirations till the very end point, it is really hard to take your chances at that point, so I can see how it feels the most realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 19:41:36 GMT
I would prefer they not ever consider making any ending canon in any game that offers a choice of endings or provides routes in which to achieve different endings. For example, I don't think it should ever be made canon that the Council was either destroyed or saved at the end of ME1. I don't think it should ever be made canon that everyone survived the ME2 suicide mission or whether or not the Collector Base was destroyed or irradiated... and I don't think that any of the ME3 endings should ever be made canon. Bioware is doing the most sensible thing, IMO, by side-stepping those endings and starting us out with a new, unrelated story.
IF they ever did make an ending canon, the one I would vote for is REFUSAL... because it is the only ending that basically undoes everything that ME3 started out to do. No one on the ground would ever know whether or not Shepard made any choice whatsoever. For all they would know, he simply died before he could complete his objective. It also has the effect of putting the Galaxy into a more desperate state than we knew with Shepard since the Reapers have already begun the harvest; and it is a harvest that could take them centuries to complete... so plenty of "room" there for lots of different sorts of "resistance" stories.
However, I don't think this sort of thing would be well received since people would probably become "personally" offended at any suggestion that their Shepard could have either refused to act or simply just not succeeded. Alternatively then, IF again they were to make their own canon ending, I would have them suggest that the Crucible just didn't do what the Alliance expected it would... pulling in yet another Deus Ex Machina to have a completely different ending happen that no one was ever able to foresee or choose.
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Post by fraggle on Jan 25, 2017 19:47:31 GMT
Point is, there are so many interesting things they could do with the blue and green ending, but not so much with the red. So why do the canon supporters want it so badly?P Because they hate the Catalyst, the Reapers and everything they've done to people and want them gone. My own canon ending happens to also be Destroy, but I pick my endings according to my Shepard's personalities. I'm going for Control in my current playthrough, I also tried Synthesis twice already as well. I like Destroy best because I think that everything will and should develop in its own way. But I have nothing against the other choices. I like having the options and I enjoy reading posts about Control and Synthesis and why people chose them. I am happy that there will be no canon ending for Andromeda, so everyone's own vision of the ME3 ending will still be valid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 19:51:31 GMT
I also wanted to add that I applaud BioWare sidestepping the issue with Andromeda's premise. It was wise, smart and the best way imo to keep the IP, and not destroy a great game postmortem. Because, tbh, I never thought of KOTOR with a fond nostalgia after playing SWTOR. May Shepard have a better fate than Revan.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 25, 2017 19:59:53 GMT
I also wanted to add that I applaud BioWare sidestepping the issue with Andromeda's premise. It was wise, smart and the best way imo to keep the IP, and not destroy a great game postmortem. Because, tbh, I never thought of KOTOR with a fond nostalgia after playing SWTOR. May Shepard have a better fate than Revan. Also creates a lot of problems. A hell ton of problems. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 20:03:31 GMT
I also wanted to add that I applaud BioWare sidestepping the issue with Andromeda's premise. It was wise, smart and the best way imo to keep the IP, and not destroy a great game postmortem. Because, tbh, I never thought of KOTOR with a fond nostalgia after playing SWTOR. May Shepard have a better fate than Revan. Also creates a lot of problems. A hell ton of problems. Perhaps. And i like that Shepard remain canon-free for the time being. |
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Post by Plague Doctor on Jan 25, 2017 20:15:34 GMT
I would prefer they not ever consider making any ending canon in any game that offers a choice of endings or provides routes in which to achieve different endings. For example, I don't think it should ever be made canon that the Council was either destroyed or saved at the end of ME1. I don't think it should ever be made canon that everyone survived the ME2 suicide mission or whether or not the Collector Base was destroyed or irradiated... and I don't think that any of the ME3 endings should ever be made canon. Bioware is doing the most sensible thing, IMO, by side-stepping those endings and starting us out with a new, unrelated story. IF they ever did make an ending canon, the one I would vote for is REFUSAL... because it is the only ending that basically undoes everything that ME3 started out to do. No one on the ground would ever know whether or not Shepard made any choice whatsoever. For all they would know, he simply died before he could complete his objective. It also has the effect of putting the Galaxy into a more desperate state than we knew with Shepard since the Reapers have already begun the harvest; and it is a harvest that could take them centuries to complete... so plenty of "room" there for lots of different sorts of "resistance" stories. However, I don't think this sort of thing would be well received since people would probably become "personally" offended at any suggestion that their Shepard could have either refused to act or simply just not succeeded. Alternatively then, IF again they were to make their own canon ending, I would have them suggest that the Crucible just didn't do what the Alliance expected it would... pulling in yet another Deus Ex Machina to have a completely different ending happen that no one was ever able to foresee or choose. Or pull a Deus Ex 2 and have all three endings happen. "So what exactly happened to the Shepard?" "Well son, she bravely risked her life and shot the tubes that held the catalyst together, thereby destroying the Reapers as well as all advanced technology." "...But Granpa, if she destroyed the reapers, how come they are all over the place? In fact, i think one is flying by right now!" "Yeah, about that...You see, The Shepard was a big fan of 1980's action movies, so while shooting the tubes she decided that it was the best course of action to walk right into the explosion." "...Really?" "Yes son. So you see, the enormous force of the explosion practically ripped The Shepard apart, causing the left side of her torso to fall into the green beam which spread her essence all over the galaxy, making everyone part machine, as well as reviving the Geth and the Reapers, giving them sapience and free will in the process. Thats why your skin glows green, you know?" "Whoa, really?" "Yes, really." "Thats awesome!...But Granpa, if The Shepard died, and the Repers have free will, how come they spout "Obey The Shepard!" and "The Shepard is watching you!" wherever they go?" *nervous cough* "Well son, in her lifetime The Shepard was....lets just say...kind of a clutz." "A klutz Granpa? How so?" "Well you see, stumbling around on the crucible, loosing blood fast and near death, The Shepard wanted to take one final look at Earth again. Little did she know that the piece of machinery she grabbed to stabilize herself was, in fact, the Catalyst control rod." "Oh." "Yes, it is said that the previous catalyst upon witnessing this impressive display put both his hands to his forehead, an ancient Reaper sign of respect no doubt." "I...I see..." "So, do you want to hear another story about the Shepard?" "Oh, uhm...Na, im good. The Shepard was certainly...unique, but i would prefer to hear about someone who was a bit more...on the level i guess?" "Ah, i understand. So let me tell you a story about The Conrad..." |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 20:17:17 GMT
Seriously. I know most people are against establishing a canon, but for some reason everyone who DOES want one insists on Destroy. Why? Its the most boring potential worldstate. Let me explain:
Imagine Bioware comes out tomorrow and says: "We cancelled all potential Andromeda sequels, instead we are going to make "ME4 : Aftermath" next. Btw - A canon is going to happen, but well let you decide! Heres the poll."
Lets examine what potential for interesting stories we have for each ending.
Destroy: -Rebuilding. Huh, just rebuilding? Thats kinda boring, but alright. Whats next? -Dealing with the loss of sufficiently advanced technology. Thats kinda interesting, i guess. -Shepard may be alive. That just opens a giant can of worms, better to leave it closed.
A sequel doesn't have to be set in the immediate aftermath of ME3. It could be set hundreds of years in the future, during a period where the galaxy has fully recovered from the Reaper War. Bioware's MMO SWTOR is a good example of a sequel that doesn't take place in the immediate aftermath of the story that preceded it. It is a sequel to the two KOTOR games, and is set 300 years or so after the events of KOTOR II. *If* Bioware was going to take a single ending choice from ME3 and make it the basis for a sequel, I'd prefer it was Destroy because it was the only outcome where the galaxy managed to win the war. In Synthesis the AI responsible for countless extinction cycles remains as galactic watchdog, in command of a fully functional Reaper fleet. Control replaces that AI with another AI overlord, except this one sort of thinks it is Shepard, which really isn't an improvement. Both effectively end the Reaper War in stalemate and a status quo antebellum. In both the Reapers continue to exist and the survival of galactic civilization continues to rest upon the whims of a computer program. Destroy has the benefit of completely clearing the board for new stories as well. A Control or Synthesis sequel would likely end up with some sort of contrived plot device to get the Reapers out of the way just in time for the new threat. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 20:28:19 GMT
Seriously. I know most people are against establishing a canon, but for some reason everyone who DOES want one insists on Destroy. Why? Its the most boring potential worldstate. Let me explain: Imagine Bioware comes out tomorrow and says: "We cancelled all potential Andromeda sequels, instead we are going to make "ME4 : Aftermath" next. Btw - A canon is going to happen, but well let you decide! Heres the poll." Lets examine what potential for interesting stories we have for each ending. Destroy: -Rebuilding. Huh, just rebuilding? Thats kinda boring, but alright. Whats next? -Dealing with the loss of sufficiently advanced technology. Thats kinda interesting, i guess. -Shepard may be alive. That just opens a giant can of worms, better to leave it closed.
A sequel doesn't have to be set in the immediate aftermath of ME3. It could be set hundreds of years in the future, during a period where the galaxy has fully recovered from the Reaper War. Bioware's MMO SWTOR is a good example of a sequel that doesn't take place in the immediate aftermath of the story that preceded it. It is a sequel to the two KOTOR games, and is set 300 years or so after the events of KOTOR II Ah, I find it humorous that you use SWTOR example as well done canonization, where I was using it as "let's never do it again". |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 20:32:06 GMT
A sequel doesn't have to be set in the immediate aftermath of ME3. It could be set hundreds of years in the future, during a period where the galaxy has fully recovered from the Reaper War. Bioware's MMO SWTOR is a good example of a sequel that doesn't take place in the immediate aftermath of the story that preceded it. It is a sequel to the two KOTOR games, and is set 300 years or so after the events of KOTOR II Ah, I find it humorous that you use SWTOR example as well done canonization, where I was using it as "let's never do it again". I just used it as an example of a sequel that isn't set in the immediate aftermath of the game that it followed. I voiced no opinion either way on the quality of the story. |
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Post by Darth Dennis on Jan 25, 2017 20:53:11 GMT
Because canon is unnecessary in a trilogy with so many outcomes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 21:27:07 GMT
Ah, I find it humorous that you use SWTOR example as well done canonization, where I was using it as "let's never do it again". I just used it as an example of a sequel that isn't set in the immediate aftermath of the game that it followed. I voiced no opinion either way on the quality of the story. Ah, gotcha. Initial use of Revan lore was not that bad, along the lines of: "We don't know much about Revan, but some of us worship the ideal of Revan". The thing though, even 600 years removed, Shepard's Choice would impact the state of the Galaxy, unless no matter what Shepard did, ended up in a Catastrophe of Enormous Proportions that tore the worlds apart, be that Neo-Reapers take 5689 or the Synexit. On the whole, I prefer Andromeda :) |
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Post by themikefest on Jan 25, 2017 23:08:16 GMT
Halfway through the game, the player learns the crucible has enough energy to destroy the reapers. Ok. So let that happen.
After the arms fully opened on the Citadel, the crucible fires its bag of goodies. The reapers are destroyed. excellent.
What the above does is it keeps the reapers as a mystery. A sequel can take place a short time later to find out why the things did what they did. Shepard can be in the game. Or bring in a new character. Or how about it takes place a 10 years later? Jien Garson, for the last ten years has been building the Andromeda Initiative, for exploration in the Andromeda Galaxy. They parts used taken from the destroyed reapers to build the Nexus and ships to make the trip easier. Volunteers are easy to come by. Most have lost their families and friends from the reaper war and just wanted a fresh start. Of course that can't happen since they're leaving before the reaper war. Too bad
Another is instead of one of the endings, another ending is chosen by Bioware? When the arms are fully opened, its fires out a pulse that reprograms the reapers to stop. After a few moments, they're seen flying towards darkspace. A sequel can be made as to why they did what they did and to find out if they will ever return.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 23:30:40 GMT
I would prefer they not ever consider making any ending canon in any game that offers a choice of endings or provides routes in which to achieve different endings. For example, I don't think it should ever be made canon that the Council was either destroyed or saved at the end of ME1. I don't think it should ever be made canon that everyone survived the ME2 suicide mission or whether or not the Collector Base was destroyed or irradiated... and I don't think that any of the ME3 endings should ever be made canon. Bioware is doing the most sensible thing, IMO, by side-stepping those endings and starting us out with a new, unrelated story. IF they ever did make an ending canon, the one I would vote for is REFUSAL... because it is the only ending that basically undoes everything that ME3 started out to do. No one on the ground would ever know whether or not Shepard made any choice whatsoever. For all they would know, he simply died before he could complete his objective. It also has the effect of putting the Galaxy into a more desperate state than we knew with Shepard since the Reapers have already begun the harvest; and it is a harvest that could take them centuries to complete... so plenty of "room" there for lots of different sorts of "resistance" stories. However, I don't think this sort of thing would be well received since people would probably become "personally" offended at any suggestion that their Shepard could have either refused to act or simply just not succeeded. Alternatively then, IF again they were to make their own canon ending, I would have them suggest that the Crucible just didn't do what the Alliance expected it would... pulling in yet another Deus Ex Machina to have a completely different ending happen that no one was ever able to foresee or choose. Or pull a Deus Ex 2 and have all three endings happen. "So what exactly happened to the Shepard?" "Well son, she bravely risked her life and shot the tubes that held the catalyst together, thereby destroying the Reapers as well as all advanced technology." "...But Granpa, if she destroyed the reapers, how come they are all over the place? In fact, i think one is flying by right now!" "Yeah, about that...You see, The Shepard was a big fan of 1980's action movies, so while shooting the tubes she decided that it was the best course of action to walk right into the explosion." "...Really?" "Yes son. So you see, the enormous force of the explosion practically ripped The Shepard apart, causing the left side of her torso to fall into the green beam which spread her essence all over the galaxy, making everyone part machine, as well as reviving the Geth and the Reapers, giving them sapience and free will in the process. Thats why your skin glows green, you know?" "Whoa, really?" "Yes, really." "Thats awesome!...But Granpa, if The Shepard died, and the Repers have free will, how come they spout "Obey The Shepard!" and "The Shepard is watching you!" wherever they go?" *nervous cough* "Well son, in her lifetime The Shepard was....lets just say...kind of a clutz." "A klutz Granpa? How so?" "Well you see, stumbling around on the crucible, loosing blood fast and near death, The Shepard wanted to take one final look at Earth again. Little did she know that the piece of machinery she grabbed to stabilize herself was, in fact, the Catalyst control rod." "Oh." "Yes, it is said that the previous catalyst upon witnessing this impressive display put both his hands to his forehead, an ancient Reaper sign of respect no doubt." "I...I see..." "So, do you want to hear another story about the Shepard?" "Oh, uhm...Na, im good. The Shepard was certainly...unique, but i would prefer to hear about someone who was a bit more...on the level i guess?" "Ah, i understand. So let me tell you a story about The Conrad..." Imaginative... but, no. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 26, 2017 1:39:45 GMT
Who's for a canon ending? I'm a Destroy guy, all but once. I'm okay with a non-canon ending. I just haven't seen this people clamoring for canon Destroy ending.
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Post by Plague Doctor on Jan 26, 2017 1:48:58 GMT
Who's for a canon ending? I'm a Destroy guy, all but once. I'm okay with a non-canon ending. I just haven't seen this people clamoring for canon Destroy ending. Im not saying that a majority of people want a canon ending. Im saying that the majority of people who do want a canon ending want it to be destroy. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 26, 2017 1:55:00 GMT
Who's for a canon ending? I'm a Destroy guy, all but once. I'm okay with a non-canon ending. I just haven't seen this people clamoring for canon Destroy ending. Im not saying that a majority of people want a canon ending. Im saying that the majority of people who do want a canon ending want it to be destroy. Either way, I'm not seeing the posts. I'm just curious where you're seeing it. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 26, 2017 12:58:10 GMT
Destroy may kill some of my favorite synthetic species and characters but it does reset the state of the galaxy to the way it was before the Reaper War (after reconstruction) without Reapers. Synthesis and Control changes the setting into something I would never want to play a sequel in.
Synthesis as a concept is so poorly depicted in ME3 with or without EC and I can't imagine BioWare having the intelligent writing to follow up on it without pissing people further off (nor are they interested, listen to what Mac said) and Control we'd have to stare at Reapers in orbit every now and then thinking... "that's my Shepard in there" (in a sense).
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 26, 2017 15:31:15 GMT
Also creates a lot of problems. A hell ton of problems. Perhaps. And i like that Shepard remain canon-free for the time being. I'd rather have a canonized Shepard and a story that make sense. Hell I'd even take a this is an alternate universe were Reapers never really existed gambit like comics do all the time. The technology and money needed to be able to reach the Andromeda Galaxy. The races of the galaxy could have build their own Reaper fleet and sat back and let them fight it out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 15:33:47 GMT
Perhaps. And i like that Shepard remain canon-free for the time being. I'd rather have a canonized Shepard and a story that make sense. Hell I'd even take a this is an alternate universe were Reapers never really existed gambit like comics do all the time. The technology and money needed to be able to reach the Andromeda Galaxy. The races of the galaxy could have build their own Reaper fleet and sat back and let them fight it out. Ah, I guess, I am the lucky bastard this time, getting exactly what I want from the developer (and let me tell you, it doesn't happen that often, so I cherish it!) :) I hope you will still enjoy the game. |
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 26, 2017 15:47:16 GMT
I'd rather have a canonized Shepard and a story that make sense. Hell I'd even take a this is an alternate universe were Reapers never really existed gambit like comics do all the time. The technology and money needed to be able to reach the Andromeda Galaxy. The races of the galaxy could have build their own Reaper fleet and sat back and let them fight it out. Ah, I guess, I am the lucky bastard this time, getting exactly what I want from the developer (and let me tell you, it doesn't happen that often, so I cherish it!)  I hope you will still enjoy the game. You want a confusing story that doesn't make any sense why they would be traveling unarmed into an entirely new galaxy? Hell even the Enterprise was armed. That some how a private organization was capable of amassing the credits to build multiple massive super technologically advanced ships for multiple races and sent them out into space. That some how the Protheans couldn't handle energy for suspended animation for centuries and while obviously less technologically advanced they are able to do it? That the massive fear of AI and the extreme restriction a private organization got the OK to build one on a ship and give it free control for 500+ years they would be in stasis? |
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Ah, I guess, I am the lucky bastard this time, getting exactly what I want from the developer (and let me tell you, it doesn't happen that often, so I cherish it!) :) I hope you will still enjoy the game. You want a confusing story that doesn't make any sense why they would be traveling unarmed into an entirely new galaxy? Hell even the Enterprise was armed. That some how a private organization was capable of amassing the credits to build multiple massive super technologically advanced ships for multiple races and sent them out into space. That some how the Protheans couldn't handle energy for suspended animation for centuries and while obviously less technologically advanced they are able to do it? That the massive fear of AI and the extreme restriction a private organization got the OK to build one on a ship and give it free control for 500+ years they would be in stasis? Yes, am totally down with it! Weeee! It's all fun and games for me. Honestly, I am sorry you are having a hard time with suspension of disbelief, but I do hope you will find enjoyment once you are past the premise. I am a huge Voyager fan, and the Shepard lore being left alone, and the whole new Galaxy, and the colonization... oh, my! Anyways, (hugs) and hopefully you will find something cooler. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 26, 2017 16:29:14 GMT
Yes, am totally down with it! Weeee! It's all fun and games for me. Honestly, I am sorry you are having a hard time with suspension of disbelief, but I do hope you will find enjoyment once you are past the premise. I am a huge Voyager fan, and the Shepard lore being left alone, and the whole new Galaxy, and the colonization... oh, my! Anyways, (hugs) and hopefully you will find something cooler. Agreed. Otherwise, I'd have to figure out how the Alliance managed to go from not believing aliens exist to having some of the most advanced and powerful warships, plus having a spot on the Council, all within the span of ~30 years. I choose to ignore how that doesn't make any sense and just enjoy the game. |
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 26, 2017 19:46:00 GMT
Yes, am totally down with it! Weeee! It's all fun and games for me. Honestly, I am sorry you are having a hard time with suspension of disbelief, but I do hope you will find enjoyment once you are past the premise. I am a huge Voyager fan, and the Shepard lore being left alone, and the whole new Galaxy, and the colonization... oh, my! Anyways, (hugs) and hopefully you will find something cooler. Agreed. Otherwise, I'd have to figure out how the Alliance managed to go from not believing aliens exist to having some of the most advanced and powerful warships, plus having a spot on the Council, all within the span of ~30 years. I choose to ignore how that doesn't make any sense and just enjoy the game. Both of you seem to misunderstand the concept of suspension of belief. Suspension of belief is that there exists a magical element that allows laws of physics to be side stepped. Suspension of belief is that a 3 man squad can take on and kill enemies that would require dozens of normal soldiers to kill. Taking all the established lore in a galaxy and then drop kicking it over a fence and saying F you to it isn't the same as suspending for a moment your belief that 3 people can suddenly kill what dozens of others have fallen to. Literally everything the games of ME 1 and 2 build up about this version of the Milky Way Galaxy that this game series exists in is crumbled up and thrown away to shoe horn a new game into the same universe. If the next DOOM game reviled that DOOM Guy is really Jesus and all those demons you are fighting are really Angels and he wants to kill God in the name of Satan. Voyager actually did it right because the events take place shortly after the events of TNG and during DS9. But to achieve that massive launch across the galaxy they use the Borg. The super advanced race that has technology vastly beyond Federation capabilities to explain the fact they are sent across the galaxy. And then use other extremely super advanced race technology above Federation level to send them back. With a bit of help from Q and other races like that to speed up the distance traveled. At no point does it show the Federation randomly developing Trans warp capability that only exists to sent Voyager to the other side of the galaxy that suddenly stops working after Voyager goes in. Voyager is the correct way to do something like this. Andromeda is the wrong way to do it. As for Alliance bit they already had advanced war ships capable of taking on Turian Military and actually capable of winning a battle against them. They were already developing interstellar travel capabilities before they discovered the Charon Relay. They have a spot on the Council because of events of ME 1. There is no need for suspension of beilf for that because out right in game you can over hear a Turian diplomat saying that making Humans a part of the Council a smart move due to how effective an economy, military, population it has. Saying the Volus because they lack those would be last to be put into that position. |
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I hope you will still enjoy the game.