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Post by The Elder King on Jan 27, 2017 8:50:56 GMT
Assuming for a moment that she is TIM's daughter, she might be going to Andromeda to get away from him & Cerberus. Bioware does love daddy issues, after all. Well, I wouldn't mind that, and I can understand her if she did. Although if she doesn't share his ideals she probably detached herself from TIM for a while, and it might also be a reason why she went to the asari.
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Post by kumazan on Jan 27, 2017 8:57:16 GMT
This, sadly. I certainly didn't want Cerberus in ME:A (I'd rather have the Reapers again, even with Starbrat), but I'll go in with an open mind. *SIGH* As open as the airlock I'll use to get rid of Cora if this is true. Just because she's his daughter? Without knowing her opinions? I doubt she can be thrown out in any case, given her role. Nah, the airlock will meet her only if she is still loyal to Cerberus/their ideas. And yes, we most likely won't be able to throw her out, so the airlock will be a metaphorical one. But seriously now, I hope that, as @hanshotfirst said, the possible role of Cerberus is limited to Cora having some kind of daddy issues because, as much as daddy issues has been overused in the past, nothing beats ME3 Cerberus in that department.
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Post by Double02 on Jan 27, 2017 9:17:29 GMT
Interesting theory, but we won't know unless revealed. Cora being related to TIM would be interesting, though. Guess I should call him dad from now on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 9:18:33 GMT
For once I hope it's not Cerberus.
I mean it's pretty telling that everyone, Bioware included, is instictively pointing towards Cerberus as a clarification for any conspiracies or otherwise unexplainable events that happen in the Mass Effect univese.
Can't anything happen in this series without Cerberus having finger in it? Almost all of the comics have been about Cerberus, 3/4 of the novels are about Cerberus. 2/3 of the games feature Cerberus and whole lot dlc and spin-off works feature Cerberus as well.
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Post by Vortex13 on Jan 27, 2017 13:37:38 GMT
For once I hope it's not Cerberus. I mean it's pretty telling that everyone, Bioware included, is instictively pointing towards Cerberus as a clarification for any conspiracies or otherwise unexplainable events that happen in the Mass Effect univese. Can't anything happen in this series without Cerberus having finger in it? Almost all of the comics have been about Cerberus, 3/4 of the novels are about Cerberus. 2/3 of the games feature Cerberus and whole lot dlc and spin-off works feature Cerberus as well. Yep, massive portions of the series have already been devoted to a singular (and rather redundant if you ask me) facet of humanity, we don't need to set precedence for all that happening again in what is supposed to be a new start for the franchise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 13:51:49 GMT
For once I hope it's not Cerberus. I mean it's pretty telling that everyone, Bioware included, is instictively pointing towards Cerberus as a clarification for any conspiracies or otherwise unexplainable events that happen in the Mass Effect univese. Can't anything happen in this series without Cerberus having finger in it? Almost all of the comics have been about Cerberus, 3/4 of the novels are about Cerberus. 2/3 of the games feature Cerberus and whole lot dlc and spin-off works feature Cerberus as well. This. We had way too much Cerberus than was needed already. By the end of the series they had started to overshadow the Reapers, particularly if you include all the tie-in novels and comics which as you noted were almost exclusively focused on Cerberus. Cerberus, in short, became a writer's pet. Let them be dead and gone with ME3. I wouldn't mind Cora having familial ties to TIM, so long as she's in Andromeda to get away from him and isn't leading a Cerberus cell about the arks. If we need shady human characters with a secret agenda, let them be something other than Cerberus.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 27, 2017 13:57:31 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong but the name of the Ryder siblings' mother was Jana, in ME3 during the attack on Cronos Station you come across vid logs where TIM is talking to a scientist and calls her by her name ( Jana ). So Cora might be related to TIM/Cerberus and the mother of Ryder family might have been a Cerberus scientist. I have already come to terms with Cerberus possibly being in ME:A, but I hope the organisation isn't tied to the main story line ( very unlikely ). Side and/or squadmate missions seem more plausible. We don't know her name yet, although the briefing mentioned Ellen Ryder. I hope not, but probably. Cora's surname being Harper, and her first name resembling the surname of the Illusive Man's former lover (Core), probably isn't a coincidence. The combinations in her full name makes me think it can be just a funny reference, because they made it too obvious. But they might have done it to make it feel too obvious to be true.
I don't see the problem if she's his daughter. She's old enough to make her own decisions. Although I can understand the concern of people about Cerberus having a role in ME again. Yeah I'm just going to just treat it as a coincidence that she just happens to have the same surname as the Illusive man. Because people can still have the same surname and not be related. Besides I'd never treat anyone badly or with suspicion unless they give me reason to. So unless Cora starts shooting up half the crew or something she'll be good in my book. Given she's spent a lot of time training with Asari recruits I'd say she's OK about being around aliens. We'll probably learn more about her as time progresses I'm sure.
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Post by Vortex13 on Jan 27, 2017 13:58:12 GMT
For once I hope it's not Cerberus. I mean it's pretty telling that everyone, Bioware included, is instictively pointing towards Cerberus as a clarification for any conspiracies or otherwise unexplainable events that happen in the Mass Effect univese. Can't anything happen in this series without Cerberus having finger in it? Almost all of the comics have been about Cerberus, 3/4 of the novels are about Cerberus. 2/3 of the games feature Cerberus and whole lot dlc and spin-off works feature Cerberus as well. This. We had way too much Cerberus than was needed already. By the end of the series they had started to overshadow the Reapers, particularly if you include all the tie-in novels and comics which as you noted were almost exclusively focused on Cerberus. Cerberus, in short, became a writer's pet. Let them be dead and gone with ME3.I wouldn't mind Cora having familial ties to TIM, so long as she's in Andromeda to get away from him and isn't leading a Cerberus cell about the arks. If we need shady human characters with a secret agenda, let them be something other than Cerberus. People like to say that Liara is the writer's pet of the trilogy. Please, Liara has nothing on Cerberus.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 14:04:08 GMT
It would be sort of funny if Cora has no relation to TIM, because the series would have three Harpers (sort of) who aren't related.
In ME3 Vega mentions that his father's last name was Harper, but adds that he was no relation to TIM.
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Post by kumazan on Jan 27, 2017 14:15:16 GMT
It would be sort of funny if Cora has no relation to TIM, because the series would have three Harpers (sort of) who aren't related. In ME3 Vega mentions that his father's last name was Harper, but adds that he was no relation to TIM. Wasn't his father's last name Sanders, and the no relation was with Kahlee, or am I mixing up two different conversations?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 27, 2017 14:17:20 GMT
It would be sort of funny if Cora has no relation to TIM, because the series would have three Harpers (sort of) who aren't related. In ME3 Vega mentions that his father's last name was Harper, but adds that he was no relation to TIM. Wasn't his father's last name Sanders, and the no relation was with Kahlee, or am I mixing up two different conversations? yeah I believe so.
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Post by unclee on Jan 27, 2017 15:10:37 GMT
It's just as likely that this is a nod to Andromeda the TV series. The chief engineer on the show was named Harper.
The first officer on the ship was also played by Lisa Ryder.
Honestly, I'm leaning more towards this as Bioware has been very intentional about severing ties to the old trilogy. They specifically set the launch of the Andromeda mission between ME1 and ME2 so that they wouldn't have to deal with the messy continuity that ME2/ME3 brings. A squad member having ties to a character from games that won't have any reference points in Andromeda (meaning, the mission launched before the events of ME2, so they'll have no idea what happened) just seems odd.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 27, 2017 15:19:26 GMT
It's just as likely that this is a nod to Andromeda the TV series. The chief engineer on the show was named Harper. The first officer on the ship was also played by Lisa Ryder. Honestly, I'm leaning more towards this as Bioware has been very intentional about severing ties to the old trilogy. They specifically set the launch of the Andromeda mission between ME1 and ME2 so that they wouldn't have to deal with the messy continuity that ME2/ME3 brings. A squad member having ties to a character from games that won't have any reference points in Andromeda (meaning, the mission launched before the events of ME2, so they'll have no idea what happened) just seems odd. If it's a reference, it's still about TIM, because her name, Cora, is also similar to his lover/friend's surname, Eva Corè.
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Post by derrame on Jan 27, 2017 15:21:06 GMT
Very unlikely, this game's story takes place after and separated from the events of the trilogy, and i hope TIM has nohing to do with the iniciative, for i don't want cerberus in Andromeda if the trilogy's story ended, then all character's setories ended aswell
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 16:15:37 GMT
It would be sort of funny if Cora has no relation to TIM, because the series would have three Harpers (sort of) who aren't related. In ME3 Vega mentions that his father's last name was Harper, but adds that he was no relation to TIM. Wasn't his father's last name Sanders, and the no relation was with Kahlee, or am I mixing up two different conversations? You're right. I remembered that conversation wrong.
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Post by stysiaq on Jan 27, 2017 16:37:25 GMT
I want Andromeda to be completely independent from the trilogy. I just want the pain to go away and never come back.
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Post by JokeDealer on Jan 27, 2017 19:51:00 GMT
Does TIM have his hands in the Ark Initiative? I'd be surprised if he didn't, but I doubt that Cora is there as his proxy or as any form of Cerberus. I can realistically see him funding some of it and maybe putting in one or two plants, but, at the time of the Arks launching, Cerberus was a small organization with only a handful of active operatives. It wasn't until Mass Effect 3 that their numbers seemed to increase.
As to why he would've funded it, it's pretty clear. Humans were being abducted wholesale from their colonies and the Reapers were still an active threat. Investing in a project that would ensure that humanity would live on elsewhere, regardless of what happens in the Milky Way? Seems like a no-brained to me,
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Post by brunobyof on Jan 27, 2017 22:05:08 GMT
Well, from the timeline of the series, Shepard wasn't ressurected before 2185, the same year the Andromeda Initiative was launched (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Andromeda_Initiative) . This probably means that TIM was busy with Shepard and the Reaper's threat, not to count all the politics and that ninja (Kai Leng) and thus wouldn't be involved in the initiative, at least not in a deeper way. He could be the mind behind Jien Garson, since the initiative was founded years before the events of Me2 and 3. AI being a multi-species project, they would never allow TIM, Cerberus's Mastermind, a known alleged terrorist and pro-human organization , to be part of this project. Specially considering that when the Initiative was founded in 2176, the humans existence were merely known, since the first contact war, which started on 2157.
Considering all of that, if TIM is somehow involved, it certainly would be in a hideous way, but it totally makes sense for him to be involved, since the project was being born when Cerberus was in its apex so to speak. TIM would surely know about the project and, considering he is always acting so the humans become the masters of the universe, it would be an obvious move for him to somehow influence this "another galaxy" project.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 27, 2017 22:14:37 GMT
Well, from the timeline of the series, Shepard wasn't ressurected before 2185, the same year the Andromeda Initiative was launched (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Andromeda_Initiative) . This probably means that TIM was busy with Shepard and the Reaper's threat, not to count all the politics and that ninja (Kai Leng) and thus wouldn't be involved in the initiative, at least not in a deeper way. He could be the mind behind Jien Garson, since the initiative was founded years before the events of Me2 and 3. AI being a multi-species project, they would never allow TIM, Cerberus's Mastermind, a known alleged terrorist and pro-human organization , to be part of this project. Specially considering that when the Initiative was founded in 2176, the humans existence were merely known, since the first contact war, which started on 2157. Considering all of that, if TIM is somehow involved, it certainly would be in a hideous way, but it totally makes sense for him to be involved, since the project was being born when Cerberus was in its apex so to speak. TIM would surely know about the project and, considering he is always acting so the humans become the masters of the universe, it would be an obvious move for him to somehow influence this "another galaxy" project. The Andromeda Initiative began in 2176, and was launched in 2185 at some point after the events of ME2
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Post by traks on Jan 27, 2017 22:27:29 GMT
I'd imagine Cerberus played a part here but I don't think they'll factor in as a motivation for events in Andromeda. I mean, even if someone did work for Cerberus they'd have to know that TIM would be long dead and any allegiance to him is pointless. What I meant was, if TIM was all about preserving Humanity and keeping us on top, if he sensed a possibility that we could all be wiped out, he may have helped fund or in some way been a part of the A:I - with the goal of continuing Humanity elsewhere. And with Cora's last name - I sense more of a connection now. Could be an interesting turn later in the story. You have answered the question: TIM would never believe in losing. A more serious answer: Mac Walters has denied any Cerberus connection and I believe that this is no marketing speach. Even if Cora Harper turns out to be TIM's daughter, running away from his cruel father might be her reasoning for joining up. Back to TIM: he doesn't strike as a leader who sends people out on missions where he won't see the results. So it doesn't make any story sense, which is reason #2 besides the negative feedback Walters got on Cerberus in ME3.
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Post by Nightlife on Jan 27, 2017 22:28:10 GMT
Don't see what the problem is having Cerberus in some limited capacity. Doesn't mean they are the ultimate bad guys, but would show a probable connection to the original trilogy. I think it would be a nice way to reference and connect to the old series a bit. I'm all for new material and stakes but, could just be a side mission or two, nothing too major.
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Post by traks on Jan 27, 2017 22:28:41 GMT
It would be sort of funny if Cora has no relation to TIM, because the series would have three Harpers (sort of) who aren't related. In ME3 Vega mentions that his father's last name was Harper, but adds that he was no relation to TIM. Vega knows the illusive man's real surname?
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 27, 2017 22:30:16 GMT
What I meant was, if TIM was all about preserving Humanity and keeping us on top, if he sensed a possibility that we could all be wiped out, he may have helped fund or in some way been a part of the A:I - with the goal of continuing Humanity elsewhere. And with Cora's last name - I sense more of a connection now. Could be an interesting turn later in the story. You have answered the question: TIM would never believe in losing. A more serious answer: Mac Walters has denied any Cerberus connection and I will believe that this is no marketing speach. Even if Cora Harper turns out to be TIM's daughter, running away from his cruel father might be her reasoning for joining up. Back to TIM: he doesn't strike as a leader who sends people out on missions where he won't see the results. So it doesn't make any story sense, which is reason #2 besides the negative feedback Walters got on Cerberus in ME3. I seriously hope they didn't went to the running away plot again. It'll be Miranda all over again.
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Post by traks on Jan 27, 2017 22:38:31 GMT
You have answered the question: TIM would never believe in losing. A more serious answer: Mac Walters has denied any Cerberus connection and I will believe that this is no marketing speach. Even if Cora Harper turns out to be TIM's daughter, running away from his cruel father might be her reasoning for joining up. Back to TIM: he doesn't strike as a leader who sends people out on missions where he won't see the results. So it doesn't make any story sense, which is reason #2 besides the negative feedback Walters got on Cerberus in ME3. I seriously hope they didn't went to the running away plot again. It'll be Miranda all over again. Same here. I hope she has no connection to him, but the last I want is to see even one more dumb Cerberus soldier. So if she is his daughter, running away would be less painful for me. I am relatively optimistic though that Mac has put Cerberus to bed, because they were only needed as an enemy because we couldn't fight Reapers on foot too often.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 22:40:35 GMT
I hope not. Please, not Cerberus again. As for the names, it's Bioware creativity: Feros Feron Fehl Prime Jack Harper Eva Core Cora Harper
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