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Was TIM involved in the Andromeda Initiative....? Jan 28, 2017 14:29:36 GMT

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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Jan 28, 2017 14:29:36 GMT

Since we're getting some Milky Way species in Andromeda, it would make sense having Cerberus as well. See, they have people, resources, people with resources, and some of them are infiltrated in the Alliance or even in galactic politics. It wouldn't make sense for Cerberus not appear, since TIM had some connections, informations and resources, he could've heard something about it and put someone at Cerberus there. It doesn't have to be Cora.

But the problem is, no Cerberus actions on Andromeda, to dominate the galaxy and so forth. Just mention it and be done. Maybe a conversation that you can pick a side(like ME3) with a Cerberus agent and an alien species.

As for Cora... IDK, it's too obvious that it might not even be true. Eva Core, Cora, Jack Harper, Harper.
But if it is, who is the mother? Or even... could she also be part of some remains of Henry Lawson's project to create the perfect human? That would explain her biotics.

Still, they could be unrelated and Harper is just a common surname in the Milky Way.

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Was TIM involved in the Andromeda Initiative....? Jan 28, 2017 14:39:46 GMT

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Post by DayusMakhina on Jan 28, 2017 14:39:46 GMT

Jan 28, 2017 14:29:36 GMT MegaIllusiveMan said:

Since we're getting some Milky Way species in Andromeda, it would make sense having Cerberus as well. See, they have people, resources, people with resources, and some of them are infiltrated in the Alliance or even in galactic politics. It wouldn't make sense for Cerberus not appear, since TIM had some connections, informations and resources, he could've heard something about it and put someone at Cerberus there. It doesn't have to be Cora.

But the problem is, no Cerberus actions on Andromeda, to dominate the galaxy and so forth. Just mention it and be done. Maybe a conversation that you can pick a side(like ME3) with a Cerberus agent and an alien species.

As for Cora... IDK, it's too obvious that it might not even be true. Eva Core, Cora, Jack Harper, Harper.
But if it is, who is the mother? Or even... could she also be part of some remains of Henry Lawson's project to create the perfect human? That would explain her biotics.

Still, they could be unrelated and Harper is just a common surname in the Milky Way.

Surely the mother would have been Eva Core? I don't think that is actually the case though. In fact I almost think Cora's appearance changed in Andromeda in an attempt to move away from that (early alpha footage showed Cora as having a blonde ponytail and Eve Core is depicted as having a blonde ponytail in the ME: Evolution comics).

Also, I think you're getting your timelines mixed up. Cora was already long asleep on the Hyperion before TIM worked with Henry Lawson.

I kinda think her name was intended as to simply screw with us fans. Sounds somewhat sadistic but it's the kind of thing I would do for kicks. After all gets people speculating...

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Jan 28, 2017 14:39:46 GMT DayusMakhina said:

Jan 28, 2017 14:29:36 GMT MegaIllusiveMan said:

Since we're getting some Milky Way species in Andromeda, it would make sense having Cerberus as well. See, they have people, resources, people with resources, and some of them are infiltrated in the Alliance or even in galactic politics. It wouldn't make sense for Cerberus not appear, since TIM had some connections, informations and resources, he could've heard something about it and put someone at Cerberus there. It doesn't have to be Cora.

But the problem is, no Cerberus actions on Andromeda, to dominate the galaxy and so forth. Just mention it and be done. Maybe a conversation that you can pick a side(like ME3) with a Cerberus agent and an alien species.

As for Cora... IDK, it's too obvious that it might not even be true. Eva Core, Cora, Jack Harper, Harper.
But if it is, who is the mother? Or even... could she also be part of some remains of Henry Lawson's project to create the perfect human? That would explain her biotics.

Still, they could be unrelated and Harper is just a common surname in the Milky Way.

Surely the mother would have been Eva Core? I don't think that is actually the case though. In fact I almost think Cora's appearance changed in Andromeda in an attempt to move away from that (early alpha footage showed Cora as having a blonde ponytail and Eve Core is depicted as having a blonde ponytail in the ME: Evolution comics).

Also, I think you're getting your timelines mixed up. Cora was already long asleep on the Hyperion before TIM worked with Henry Lawson.

Didn't Eva Coré die at the end of Evolution?

If she did, how could TIM have a daughter with her? It was never stated or implied in the comics that the two were lovers before. Nor that Jack Harper had a family.
It was implied that she did have a thing for Ben Hislop instead.

If Cora is indeed TIM's daughter, she has a different mother, and I don't see how TIM could have been present in her life being a reclusive. And if the mother raised her by herself, how can she have TIM's original surname?

Maybe he just used a different alias and got her to put his name without her even realizing it. But, again, this just makes things more complicated.

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Was TIM involved in the Andromeda Initiative....? Jan 28, 2017 14:49:44 GMT

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Jan 28, 2017 14:44:05 GMT @mdnplayer said:

Jan 28, 2017 14:39:46 GMT DayusMakhina said:

Surely the mother would have been Eva Core? I don't think that is actually the case though. In fact I almost think Cora's appearance changed in Andromeda in an attempt to move away from that (early alpha footage showed Cora as having a blonde ponytail and Eve Core is depicted as having a blonde ponytail in the ME: Evolution comics).

Also, I think you're getting your timelines mixed up. Cora was already long asleep on the Hyperion before TIM worked with Henry Lawson.

Didn't Eva Coré die at the end of Evolution?

If she did, how could TIM have a daughter with her? It was never stated or implied in the comics that the two were lovers before.

That's true, but it was indicated that he had her body when she died, thus he'd have had access to her DNA and you could surmise fashioned a 'succession plan' with that. It's obviously a leap, but it sounds like a TIM kind of thing to do to me.

Would also explain as to why she hadn't featured at all, as she would have been raised in isolation by someone else to be groomed. This is all wild conjecture of course considering I don't actually think there's any relation between any of them!

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Jan 28, 2017 14:49:44 GMT DayusMakhina said:

Jan 28, 2017 14:44:05 GMT @mdnplayer said:

Didn't Eva Coré die at the end of Evolution?

If she did, how could TIM have a daughter with her? It was never stated or implied in the comics that the two were lovers before.

That's true, but it was indicated that he had her body when she died, thus he'd have had access to her DNA and you could surmise fashioned a 'succession plan' with that. It's obviously a leap, but it sounds like a TIM kind of thing to do to me.

Would also explain as to why she hadn't featured at all, as she would have been raised in isolation by someone else to be groomed. This is all wild conjecture of course considering I don't actually think there's any relation between any of them!Y

Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it. But this would just create unnecessary complications to explain Cora's origins.

Just make it a common surname and be done with it, Bioware. No more Cerberus involvement, of any kind.

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Was TIM involved in the Andromeda Initiative....? Jan 28, 2017 15:19:52 GMT

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Jan 28, 2017 14:44:05 GMT @mdnplayer said:

Didn't Eva Coré die at the end of Evolution?

If she did, how could TIM have a daughter with her? It was never stated or implied in the comics that the two were lovers before. Nor that Jack Harper had a family.
It was implied that she did have a thing for Ben Hislop instead.

If Cora is indeed TIM's daughter, she has a different mother, and I don't see how TIM could have been present in her life being a reclusive. And if the mother raised her by herself, how can she have TIM's original surname?

Maybe he just used a different alias and got her to put his name without her even realizing it. But, again, this just makes things more complicated.

Genetic tinkering is very much a thing in the ME universe. TIM could have had Eva's genetic material already available, And simply grew the child they never had together. Or he could have created her using composites of other women (like Henry Lawson did with Miranda.) She could be a clone of Eva.

Or heck she could be a child from another woman (or even adopted) and simply named after her.

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Jan 28, 2017 14:09:56 GMT spacebeetle said:

Plot twist:

Alec Ryder is the Cerberus agent sent to Andromeda to promote a humanity first agenda, and protect TIM daughter at the same time.
Bonus point if we can kill him.

That's what I believe too. I think that Alec and Ellen Ryder (Dad and MomRyder) are Cerberus operatives. They created SAM (illegal activity) and were tasked to infiltrate the human side of the initative to build a so called Cerberus "branch" in Andromeda. Cerberus prior to ME3 had tons of connections inside the Alliance and I can see them infiltrating the system without particular problem especially in ME2 when they had a great reputation among the simple people for doing something against the Collectors.

How they freely use SAM to integrate it inside the human body feels so much like Cerberus "improvements" to humanity. Actually in the briefing description it is mentioned that the AI integration is used for the betterment of humanity.
Cora potentially a daughter of TIM is sent as Alec second in command to check the operation is going smoothly. They won't certainly have a connection with TIM anylonger but the Idea of Cerberus can't be killed.

Total speculation. Alec will be MIA, only to find him later as an antagonist. Cora will backstab us at some point to join Alec in order to create a new Cerberus in Andromeda. Maybe we get the option to join them...maybe not.

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Was TIM involved in the Andromeda Initiative....? Jan 28, 2017 17:32:00 GMT

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Jan 28, 2017 14:09:56 GMT spacebeetle said:

Plot twist:

Alec Ryder is the Cerberus agent sent to Andromeda to promote a humanity first agenda, and protect TIM daughter at the same time.
Bonus point if we can kill him.

This makes more sense to me than Cora being the Cerberus agent. Alec Ryder could have met TIM back on Shanxi, then you have the tie-in with the AI project that Alec Ryder was supposed to spearhead. I could see him being aligned with TIM's ideas, TIM and Cora maybe not having a great relationship, but TIM trusting Alec to keep a watchful eye on her and help her along in the Pathfinder program.

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Was TIM involved in the Andromeda Initiative....? Jan 28, 2017 17:50:08 GMT

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Jan 28, 2017 14:39:46 GMT DayusMakhina said:

Jan 28, 2017 14:29:36 GMT MegaIllusiveMan said:

Since we're getting some Milky Way species in Andromeda, it would make sense having Cerberus as well. See, they have people, resources, people with resources, and some of them are infiltrated in the Alliance or even in galactic politics. It wouldn't make sense for Cerberus not appear, since TIM had some connections, informations and resources, he could've heard something about it and put someone at Cerberus there. It doesn't have to be Cora.

But the problem is, no Cerberus actions on Andromeda, to dominate the galaxy and so forth. Just mention it and be done. Maybe a conversation that you can pick a side(like ME3) with a Cerberus agent and an alien species.

As for Cora... IDK, it's too obvious that it might not even be true. Eva Core, Cora, Jack Harper, Harper.
But if it is, who is the mother? Or even... could she also be part of some remains of Henry Lawson's project to create the perfect human? That would explain her biotics.

Still, they could be unrelated and Harper is just a common surname in the Milky Way.

Surely the mother would have been Eva Core? I don't think that is actually the case though. In fact I almost think Cora's appearance changed in Andromeda in an attempt to move away from that (early alpha footage showed Cora as having a blonde ponytail and Eve Core is depicted as having a blonde ponytail in the ME: Evolution comics).

Also, I think you're getting your timelines mixed up. Cora was already long asleep on the Hyperion before TIM worked with Henry Lawson.

I kinda think her name was intended as to simply screw with us fans. Sounds somewhat sadistic but it's the kind of thing I would do for kicks. After all gets people speculating...

Didn't the AI launch in 2185? It's the same year as ME2... Unless I'm missing something.
Edit: Miranda was born in 2150, and the AI was started 2176. We do know that Henry Lawson's Contacts were Cerberus and they were involved when Miranda asked them for protection.

And yeah, as mentioned above, there wasn't anything between TIM and Eva. They were just working together, with Ben Hislop having something with Eva.

And I doubt TIM used the name Jack Harper ever since founding Cerberus. Maybe a different alias, but not the same he did while in the First Contact War. So, if he actually had a wife, he wouldn't use his real surname with her.

Edit: Launched, not started.

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Was TIM involved in the Andromeda Initiative....? Jan 28, 2017 17:53:00 GMT

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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Jan 28, 2017 17:53:00 GMT

Jan 28, 2017 17:31:52 GMT @solnebula said:

Jan 28, 2017 14:09:56 GMT spacebeetle said:

Plot twist:

Alec Ryder is the Cerberus agent sent to Andromeda to promote a humanity first agenda, and protect TIM daughter at the same time.
Bonus point if we can kill him.

That's what I believe too. I think that Alec and Ellen Ryder (Dad and MomRyder) are Cerberus operatives. They created SAM (illegal activity) and were tasked to infiltrate the human side of the initative to build a so called Cerberus "branch" in Andromeda. Cerberus prior to ME3 had tons of connections inside the Alliance and I can see them infiltrating the system without particular problem especially in ME2 when they had a great reputation among the simple people for doing something against the Collectors.

How they freely use SAM to integrate it inside the human body feels so much like Cerberus "improvements" to humanity. Actually in the briefing description it is mentioned that the AI integration is used for the betterment of humanity.
Cora potentially a daughter of TIM is sent as Alec second in command to check the operation is going smoothly. They won't certainly have a connection with TIM anylonger but the Idea of Cerberus can't be killed.

Total speculation. Alec will be MIA, only to find him later as an antagonist. Cora will backstab us at some point to join Alec in order to create a new Cerberus in Andromeda. Maybe we get the option to join them...maybe not.

Problem is, Bioware know that people don't want a Cerberus Plot/major involvement in Andromeda, so I doubt they'll go that route.

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Jan 28, 2017 17:31:52 GMT @solnebula said:

Jan 28, 2017 14:09:56 GMT spacebeetle said:

Plot twist:

Alec Ryder is the Cerberus agent sent to Andromeda to promote a humanity first agenda, and protect TIM daughter at the same time.
Bonus point if we can kill him.

That's what I believe too. I think that Alec and Ellen Ryder (Dad and MomRyder) are Cerberus operatives. They created SAM (illegal activity) and were tasked to infiltrate the human side of the initative to build a so called Cerberus "branch" in Andromeda. Cerberus prior to ME3 had tons of connections inside the Alliance and I can see them infiltrating the system without particular problem especially in ME2 when they had a great reputation among the simple people for doing something against the Collectors.

How they freely use SAM to integrate it inside the human body feels so much like Cerberus "improvements" to humanity. Actually in the briefing description it is mentioned that the AI integration is used for the betterment of humanity.
Cora potentially a daughter of TIM is sent as Alec second in command to check the operation is going smoothly. They won't certainly have a connection with TIM anylonger but the Idea of Cerberus can't be killed.

Total speculation. Alec will be MIA, only to find him later as an antagonist. Cora will backstab us at some point to join Alec in order to create a new Cerberus in Andromeda. Maybe we get the option to join them...maybe not.

Maybe she doesn't know her father?
It would be a terrific reveal:
"Why do you do this? Who are you working for? We trusted you Alec!"
"I work for an ideal, Cora. An ideal I shared with your father."

And it’s true btw: Alec fit the Cerberus member card to the T.
- Shanxi veteran
- One of the bravest and brightest mind humanity has to offer.
- He’s an N7
- He has a knack for questionable research.
- Said research has all the potential to escape control, go rogue and kill everyone.

What could go wrong?

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Ryder: I hear your father is the leader of Cerberus?
Cora: Yes. That is true.
kidRyder: Who is Cerberus dad?
Dad: I have a confession child. Your mother and I were Cerberus agents even though I was part of the Alliance. We believed in the advancement for humanity. Later we found out other things Cerberus was doing which led to the death of your mother. At that point I decided to join this project to get you and your sibling away from them just in case. It wasn't suppose to happen that way
kid: I don't know what to say. I don't have a problem with advancing humanity since I believe we're the best species.
Cora and dad: WHAT?
kid: Before we left for this galaxy, I had nearly 30 000 shirts made with HUMANITY #1. That's what's in all those crates in the cargo hold.
dad: What are you saying?
kid: What I'm saying is that once we get help for the Hyperion with all those humans settled, we build Cerberus out here with Cora as the leader. She will be known as ...The Illusive Daughter(TID)
Cora: That...that...I like it. If only my father were here to see that happen.
Dad: Mmmm. I don't like the sound of that. Lets keep this conversation between us. After we help the Hyperion, we'll worry about that other stuff.

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Was TIM involved in the Andromeda Initiative....? Jan 28, 2017 18:40:47 GMT

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Jan 27, 2017 3:13:45 GMT ProbeAway said:

Jan 27, 2017 2:15:55 GMT Nightlife said:

What I meant was, if TIM was all about preserving Humanity and keeping us on top, if he sensed a possibility that we could all be wiped out, he may have helped fund or in some way been a part of the A:I - with the goal of continuing Humanity elsewhere. And with Cora's last name - I sense more of a connection now. Could be an interesting turn later in the story.

'Cora' could be derived from 'Core' as well, as in Eva Core.

If they are related I seriously hope she is nothing like him. I don't want another space racist for a squadmate/LI. She worked with Asari commandos so that's a good sign.

TIM didn't really hate aliens, or Asari, he even went to bed with them.. He had his preferences on where the political power should be however and was worried about being treated in acolonial matter by the more populous species. The advancing indoctrination probably made him more and more extreme and crazy as time went on.

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Jan 27, 2017 6:53:25 GMT MrR40 said:

Correct me if I am wrong but the name of the Ryder siblings' mother was Jana, in ME3 during the attack on Cronos Station you come across vid logs where TIM is talking to a scientist and calls her by her name ( Jana ).

Their mother's name is Elena.

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Didn't Bioware answer that Cerberus was not involved with the AI project in any capacity?

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We all know ME3 ending was rushed. No point in beating up a dead, defunct, buried and decomposed horse here. They learnt from their past mistakes, and while it weren't the endings that we liked to, IMO, they did their best (for a rushed ending, even delivering the Extended Cut)

There are a lot deleted files like Geth Primes on Priority:Earth, so if Bio had the time and Casey and Mac didn't do what they did, they would've put a big conclusion to the history.

They've learnt from their past mistakes. I trust them, as a gamer trusts a developer. And I'm with my expectations high for Andromeda, for I'm sure Bioware will deliver.

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Jan 28, 2017 14:09:56 GMT spacebeetle said:

Plot twist:

Alec Ryder is the Cerberus agent sent to Andromeda to promote a humanity first agenda, and protect TIM daughter at the same time.
Bonus point if we can kill him.

This could be it. I agree with everyone that I don't want old stories re-hashed but from a logical perspective, Cerberus had to have known about the AI. Whether they planted any people on it - who knows? It's all moot now as the game is finished story-wise.

I have a feeling Alec Ryder is more like a Anderson-type character, that is well-liked by all. And I assume he dies early on then you take over. Perhaps we think he's dead, but he shows up later - a corrupted version of himself and you have to deal with him.

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Jan 28, 2017 20:25:09 GMT Nightlife said:

Jan 28, 2017 14:09:56 GMT spacebeetle said:

Plot twist:

Alec Ryder is the Cerberus agent sent to Andromeda to promote a humanity first agenda, and protect TIM daughter at the same time.
Bonus point if we can kill him.

This could be it. I agree with everyone that I don't want old stories re-hashed but from a logical perspective, Cerberus had to have known about the AI. Whether they planted any people on it - who knows? It's all moot now as the game is finished story-wise.

I have a feeling Alec Ryder is more like a Anderson-type character, that is well-liked by all. And I assume he dies early on then you take over. Perhaps we think he's dead, but he shows up later - a corrupted version of himself and you have to deal with him.

I remembered an old trophy after reading this. What best way to further your agenda, to make everyone else believe you’re dead?
And while JuniorRyder does the chore of being the Pathfinder, OldmanRyder can manipulate everyone behind the scene.
I mean, it's not really necessary to see him corrupted: he could have been evil all along.

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Jan 28, 2017 20:28:14 GMT spacebeetle said:

Jan 28, 2017 20:25:09 GMT Nightlife said:

This could be it. I agree with everyone that I don't want old stories re-hashed but from a logical perspective, Cerberus had to have known about the AI. Whether they planted any people on it - who knows? It's all moot now as the game is finished story-wise.

I have a feeling Alec Ryder is more like a Anderson-type character, that is well-liked by all. And I assume he dies early on then you take over. Perhaps we think he's dead, but he shows up later - a corrupted version of himself and you have to deal with him.

I remembered an old trophy after reading this. What best way to further your agenda, to make everyone else believe you’re dead?
And while JuniorRyder does the chore of being the Pathfinder, OldmanRyder can manipulate everyone behind the scene.
I mean, it's not really necessary to see him corrupted: he could have been evil all along.

That would be an interesting twist!

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Jan 27, 2017 9:18:33 GMT @theillusivemitt said:

For once I hope it's not Cerberus.

I mean it's pretty telling that everyone, Bioware included, is instictively pointing towards Cerberus as a clarification for any conspiracies or otherwise unexplainable events that happen in the Mass Effect univese.

Can't anything happen in this series without Cerberus having finger in it? Almost all of the comics have been about Cerberus, 3/4 of the novels are about Cerberus. 2/3 of the games feature Cerberus and whole lot dlc and spin-off works feature Cerberus as well.

Actually all the games have cerberus in them. ME1 has them but it is a very small and optional part

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Jan 28, 2017 18:40:47 GMT shodiswe said:

Jan 27, 2017 3:13:45 GMT ProbeAway said:

'Cora' could be derived from 'Core' as well, as in Eva Core.

If they are related I seriously hope she is nothing like him. I don't want another space racist for a squadmate/LI. She worked with Asari commandos so that's a good sign.

TIM didn't really hate aliens, or Asari, he even went to bed with them.. He had his preferences on where the political power should be however and was worried about being treated in acolonial matter by the more populous species. The advancing indoctrination probably made him more and more extreme and crazy as time went on.

I'm not saying he did hate aliens but my impression from the Trilogy and ME: Evolution is that he saw them as inferior. He was certainly happy to use other species as a stepping stone for humanity's advancement.

Although if we're going to be precise, the term 'space racist' makes no sense in that context anyway (unless TIM thought all non-caucasian humans should be confined to Earth or something).

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Its possible that cereberus helped the Ryders develop SAM. After all, cereberus have the resources and AIs were illegal in citadel space but I don't think TIM cares about legality.

Furthermore citadel law about AI doesn't apply outside of citadel space so SAM could have been developed on a non citadel ruled world outside of council jurisdiction.

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Just saying I'd be surprised if TIM or Ceberus doesn't come up at some point in Andromeda - then they have to deal with whatever it is.

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