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Post by Sanunes on Feb 6, 2017 17:52:12 GMT
What do you mean by that part was non-existent? You pick those dialogue options in the game and as far as I can remember the dialogue plays out exactly that way in the game. I am not exactly sure where you thought there would be repercussion for that choice either, they said the game "reacts" to your choices and it does by having the NPC's react differently to what Shepard says. So it comes down to how your read into the video and not that they mislead people, for the game seemed to be exactly what they described in that video to me. Edit: If you meant that Thessia mission was short, I would agree, but they never said in that video that it would be a major part of the game either just how the game's dialogue tree would react based on the input you select. my bad as i recalled tha dialogue incorectly even though i finished me3 4 times... No problem, it happens.
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Post by tbr1 on Feb 6, 2017 17:58:42 GMT
if by chance the gameplay on release day fails to meet your expectations you will now know that EA is dumb and never learns from their mistakes...take SimCity (2013) for example
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Post by ioannisdenton on Feb 6, 2017 18:17:40 GMT
if by chance the gameplay on release day fails to meet your expectations you will now know that EA is dumb and never learns from their mistakes...take SimCity (2013) for example Dragon age Inquisition with its faults and the Excellent Trespaser left me in good faith.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 6, 2017 18:30:31 GMT
if by chance the gameplay on release day fails to meet your expectations you will now know that EA is dumb and never learns from their mistakes...take SimCity (2013) for example Dragon age Inquisition with its faults and the Excellent Trespaser left me in good faith. Me aswell and I look forwad to playing DA4 as well when it's ready
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Feb 7, 2017 1:00:38 GMT
I cant honestly think of any.
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Post by Urban Ghost on Feb 7, 2017 1:08:09 GMT
Mass Effect: Andromeda.
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Post by Cypher on Feb 7, 2017 1:12:10 GMT
Because there aren't.
And until Resident Evil 6, no Triple A game went from "HEY, WE EXIST" to "HEY, WE'RE COMING OUT PRETTY DAMN SOON". RE6 and Capcom's games since were announced and released in under a year, Fallout 4 came out six months after Bethesda announced it; companies are dabbling in and experimenting with different and newer hype cycles thanks to the advent of "influencers". I can imagine that timelines between actual official showings of games and real gameplay and their actual release will be much shorter from now on.
edit: Another perfect example is the Nintendo Switch; the turnaround between "hey, we got a new console" to "hey, this thing is coming out" is similar.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 7, 2017 1:34:09 GMT
Hi, dutch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 1:38:03 GMT
No one cares.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Feb 7, 2017 1:41:43 GMT
you posted enough to care.
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Post by crossngen on Feb 7, 2017 1:42:05 GMT
Why is this an issue?
If the game doesn't impress you enough right now you hold off on buying it, I certainly don't understand the current mindset of consumers to get everything as soon as possible.
And to answer your question; no, I don't remember any game that waited one month before release to show off unedited gameplay footage, but then again, it wouldn't be an experiment if there was.
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Post by setecastronomy on Feb 7, 2017 1:54:26 GMT
Damn.
It's that time in the game cycle where this guy's threads start to crop up.
Time to go dark, I guess. Later, y'all!
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 7, 2017 3:01:07 GMT
See here is my beef with it
Even Bethesda who has basically publicly said "we are not giving any early copies of our games to the press for reviews" have at least done us the courtesy of providing LENGTHY unedited gameplay videos of say Doom or Dishonored two so that, whole the press cannot color the opinions of the public (and each other) prior to release the potential customers would be able to get an idea of the quality of the final product AND spent a good amount of time answering questions openly about the games and LISTENING TO FAN FEEDBACK (why hello enhanced ng+ in Dishonored 2)
So what is the deal with Mass Effect Andromeda?
Is this another case of Bioware being pouty about it with an attitude similar to the issue of Tali's face "whatever we will show you guys would rip on it anyway so we'd rather show nothing?"
I am sorry, I tend to assume the worst when gaming companies go silent...usually it means that they know they have a product that would piss people off somehow
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Feb 7, 2017 3:08:58 GMT
Troll thread aside, I do. I'm still largely on the fence with ME:A so seeing some raw gameplay would be very helpful. We should know more by now, and if they want people to buy their game they need to actually show it. I think. Right?
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Post by colfoley on Feb 7, 2017 3:11:09 GMT
See here is my beef with it Even Bethesda who has basically publicly said "we are not giving any early copies of our games to the press for reviews" have at least done us the courtesy of providing LENGTHY unedited gameplay videos of say Doom or Dishonored two so that, whole the press cannot color the opinions of the public (and each other) prior to release the potential customers would be able to get an idea of the quality of the final product AND spent a good amount of time answering questions openly about the games and LISTENING TO FAN FEEDBACK (why hello enhanced ng+ in Dishonored 2) So what is the deal with Mass Effect Andromeda? Is this another case of Bioware being pouty about it with an attitude similar to the issue of Tali's face "whatever we will show you guys would rip on it anyway so we'd rather show nothing?" I am sorry, I tend to assume the worst when gaming companies go silent...usually it means that they know they have a product that would piss people off somehow Except we know they will release a gameplay vide and do exactly what you and Dutch are asking them to. Whether or not you and Dutch happen to like what they show or find some reason of how it does not match what you have been asking for all along, that is another matter entirely. And frankly it should not matter when gameplay is shown before a game comes out as long as gameplay is released to show people how the game will behave. I mean frankly at this point I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they are waiting for the game to go gold before showing anything. Why? Two reasons: First of all I do think game companies are realizing, especially in the modern day of the internet, it does not matter when you show long gameplay videos because people will still buy the game...or not...whenever they will buy the game...or not. Videos can become widely distributed within hours posted to YouTube, Facebook, and a wide variety of news outlets. So companies are realizing...might as well show the game in the final stage when it is complete or nearly complete, becasue as DA I proved with the stupid reaction to the Crestwood video, people tend to pout when they hype something in their heads and it proves to not be the case. So, why cause yourself unneccessary grief by releasing a gameplay video weeks, months, years in advance and have people praise/ complain about elements of your game that might not even be there in the first place? If someone complains about it lets make sure its actually worth complaining about.
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Post by pdusen on Feb 7, 2017 3:17:49 GMT
Hi, Dutch.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 7, 2017 3:18:55 GMT
Hi, Dutch is going to become the BSN equivalent to bye Felicia.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 7, 2017 3:23:29 GMT
Here's the problem I'm having. You want to experiment by keeping the game close to the chest, so that the players are surprised by the story and are kept away from the highlights until they experience the game. Fine, I'm with it. But why they haven't shown gameplay in some random, inconsequential, and unspoilerly part of the game, is beyond me. I don't see the logic behind that. I personally don't feel like they're "hiding" something, but I can absolutely see why a lot of people think they are. If you are confident in your product and you believe in your product, then show if off.
Whatever Dutch's intentions are, regardless of whether you're sick of seeing it or not, is valid.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 7, 2017 3:32:19 GMT
Here's the problem I'm having. You want to experiment by keeping the game close to the chest, so that the players are surprised by the story and are kept away from the highlights until they experience the game. Fine, I'm with it. But why they haven't shown gameplay in some random, inconsequential, and unspoilerly part of the game, is beyond me. I don't see the logic behind that. I personally don't feel like they're "hiding" something, but I can absolutely see why a lot of people think they are. If you are confident in your product and you believe in your product, then show if off. Whatever Dutch's intentions are, regardless of whether you're sick of seeing it or not, is valid. Except they have done so. Three times. Granted it may not be that long or 'uncut'. But, speaking for myself personally, it's whet my appetite. As far as a long video is concerned we know one is coming. We have heard about it so long that to not release it now would be a travesty. Now they have specifically promised that we will be seeing this video, not something vague about more to come, but a specific promise. So until then people basically fall into four categories. A. Those who have already bought the game. B. Those who are on the fence and leaning heavily towards buying the game. C. Those on the fence and those leaning heavily towards not buying the game. Or D. Those who are very unlikely to buy the game and need a llloooooott of convincing for one reason or another. A gameplay video released 6 months ago may not have convinced any of the categories to go into any other category, especially if the game was not even finished yet, but showing a video now, might convince a lot of people because release date is just around the corner and the game will be pretty much finished if not entirely finished.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 7, 2017 3:42:45 GMT
Here's the problem I'm having. You want to experiment by keeping the game close to the chest, so that the players are surprised by the story and are kept away from the highlights until they experience the game. Fine, I'm with it. But why they haven't shown gameplay in some random, inconsequential, and unspoilerly part of the game, is beyond me. I don't see the logic behind that. I personally don't feel like they're "hiding" something, but I can absolutely see why a lot of people think they are. If you are confident in your product and you believe in your product, then show if off. Whatever Dutch's intentions are, regardless of whether you're sick of seeing it or not, is valid. Except they have done so. Three times. Granted it may not be that long or 'uncut'. But, speaking for myself personally, it's whet my appetite. As far as a long video is concerned we know one is coming. We have heard about it so long that to not release it now would be a travesty. Now they have specifically promised that we will be seeing this video, not something vague about more to come, but a specific promise. So until then people basically fall into four categories. A. Those who have already bought the game. B. Those who are on the fence and leaning heavily towards buying the game. C. Those on the fence and those leaning heavily towards not buying the game. Or D. Those who are very unlikely to buy the game and need a llloooooott of convincing for one reason or another. A gameplay video released 6 months ago may not have convinced any of the categories to go into any other category, especially if the game was not even finished yet, but showing a video now, might convince a lot of people because release date is just around the corner and the game will be pretty much finished if not entirely finished. And it all adds up to around 5 minutes of edited gameplay. That is not what is in the title of this thread.
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Post by clay on Feb 7, 2017 3:52:54 GMT
Fallout 4? The game wasn't even announced until like 4 months before it came out and I only remember a brief trailer during the announcement.
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Post by Cypher on Feb 7, 2017 4:10:30 GMT
Here's the problem I'm having. You want to experiment by keeping the game close to the chest, so that the players are surprised by the story and are kept away from the highlights until they experience the game. Fine, I'm with it. But why they haven't shown gameplay in some random, inconsequential, and unspoilerly part of the game, is beyond me. I don't see the logic behind that. I personally don't feel like they're "hiding" something, but I can absolutely see why a lot of people think they are. If you are confident in your product and you believe in your product, then show if off. Whatever Dutch's intentions are, regardless of whether you're sick of seeing it or not, is valid. They did; thrice. All random, inconsequential, unspoilery parts of the game. We got a glimpse of movement animations, relatively basic traversal, a hint at what location hubs look like, a look at what we can expect from the environments we'll run around in, and we got a glimpse of combat, even parts pertaining to wildlife that would be able to run up and attack us while we explore. What people want to see, we've already seen. The argument of not seeing enough is somewhat valid. But you don't need to watch a 10 minute video to see how a character will move and react when shooting, and how melee combat will look; the last two trailers are more than enough to demonstrate how combat will be. Someone who doesn't like what we've seen so far in that regard won't like it when Bioware shows off a 30 minute video. Unless you're dead set on getting a taste of how big each explorable location is by watching someone run around for 14 minutes, there's literally nothing left to see from a pure gameplay perspective. Otherwise, any and all complaints are better focused on not seeing more story tidbits. And in all honesty, in an age where someone is going to no doubt get the game before the 16th and spoil the hell out of everything online, not knowing parts of the story beforehand is a plus. Well, maybe not for people who like to plan their romances ahead of time, but I'm not worried about them.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 7, 2017 4:17:44 GMT
Here's the problem I'm having. You want to experiment by keeping the game close to the chest, so that the players are surprised by the story and are kept away from the highlights until they experience the game. Fine, I'm with it. But why they haven't shown gameplay in some random, inconsequential, and unspoilerly part of the game, is beyond me. I don't see the logic behind that. I personally don't feel like they're "hiding" something, but I can absolutely see why a lot of people think they are. If you are confident in your product and you believe in your product, then show if off. Whatever Dutch's intentions are, regardless of whether you're sick of seeing it or not, is valid. They did; thrice. All random, inconsequential, unspoilery parts of the game. We got a glimpse of movement animations, relatively basic traversal, a hint at what location hubs look like, a look at what we can expect from the environments we'll run around in, and we got a glimpse of combat, even parts pertaining to wildlife that would be able to run up and attack us while we explore. What people want to see, we've already seen. The argument of not seeing enough is somewhat valid. But you don't need to watch a 10 minute video to see how a character will move and react when shooting, and how melee combat will look; the last two trailers are more than enough to demonstrate how combat will be. Someone who doesn't like what we've seen so far in that regard won't like it when Bioware shows off a 30 minute video. Unless you're dead set on getting a taste of how big each explorable location is by watching someone run around for 14 minutes, there's literally nothing left to see from a pure gameplay perspective. Otherwise, any and all complaints are better focused on not seeing more story tidbits. And in all honesty, in an age where someone is going to no doubt get the game before the 16th and spoil the hell out of everything online, not knowing parts of the story beforehand is a plus. Well, maybe not for people who like to plan their romances ahead of time, but I'm not worried about them. Fair enough. In my mind I'm thinking of something longer than what we've seen in those trailers. Like I said, it really only adds up to around 5 minutes, which isn't a lot. Also I hate to say it, but the CES footage was a pretty poor demonstration. There were parts of it that kinda made the gameplay look bad. I think a lot of that can be chalked up to the guy playing the game was just bad, but it's not good to see Ryder melee an enemy, and there's no reaction to it.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 7, 2017 4:20:45 GMT
In their defense the thing Ryder meleed was the size of a truck.
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